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Posted to dev@openmeetings.apache.org by Bogdanov Andrey <ba...@mail.ru> on 2013/06/04 19:51:02 UTC
Re[2]: new room design
I'm sorry but I've possible missed you mail or haven't received it.
For whiteboard I used google closure library.
Regards,
Andrey Bogdanov
Вторник, 4 июня 2013, 22:00 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>:
>I did wrote letter to Andrey with some questions ...
>I get no answer :(
>I would like to know if he uses any JS framework in his work.
>I believe it is better to rely on framework than to write everything "from
>scratch"
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
>
>> Andrey have just said to me that he plans adding mind graphs to his
>> whiteboard. The main concern is how to coordinate this with Andun.
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < solomax666@gmail.com >
>> wrote:
>> > I would vote for additional WB tools.
>> > Maybe we should think on close/remove some tools for moderators (like
>> > currently in dashboard widgets)
>> > I don't know.
>> > I prefer to finish current tasks then to start thinking on WB
>> > I glad to hear various opinions on this topics since currently we can
>> > discuss with no rush
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good. Do you suggest having both types of whiteboards opened by default
>> as
>> >> well?
>> >> --
>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
>> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Maxim, new users don't know how to open a chat panel. For returning
>> >> > users I'm ok to keep the last opened panel open.
>> >> >
>> >> > Right now I need to draw arrows to attract user attention to the chat
>> >> > panel, and some people don't see arrows because everyone has these
>> >> > arrows somewhere on the board, and sometimes out of the screen.
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW, how often do you personally use whiteboard during conferences?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax666@gmail.com >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> you can get chat opened by default in current version using "Chat
>> panel
>> >> >> opened by default" room option.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
>> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I think open chat is more important than open whiteboard at the
>> >> >>> beginning, because most people who have sound problems can get some
>> >> >>> help.
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >> >>> http://dataved.ru/
>> >> >>> +7 916 562 8095
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax666@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > It is only possible for moderator ....
>> >> >>> > The interface should be simplified for sure .... but it should
>> >> function
>> >> >>> :)
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
>> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>> >> >>> >wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> Maxim, that's possible to close whiteboard now, the argument does
>> >> not
>> >> >>> >> stand,
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b9s70Abay0k/Ua3xVZyANGI/AAAAAAAAFTk/uOGjNiwrNZM/w899-h469-no/noboard.png
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> I have 5 more arguments, anyway it was your idea that interface
>> >> should
>> >> >>> >> be simplified.
>> >> >>> >> --
>> >> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>> >> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > I'm afraid this not going to work like this :(
>> >> >>> >> > no teacher will accept if students will close the whiteboard
>> and
>> >> will
>> >> >>> >> only
>> >> >>> >> > be chatting :)
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> >> akhor666@gmail.com
>> >> >>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> Hello Alexei,
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> I think it would be good solution to put UI elements (such as
>> >> >>> whitebord,
>> >> >>> >> >> userlist etc) into containers like views in Eclipse and allow
>> >> user to
>> >> >>> >> close
>> >> >>> >> >> or minimize them. This way will allow us implements many
>> >> variants of
>> >> >>> >> >> whiteboard (for example) or add new UI containers by plugins.
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> 2013/6/4 Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> > Hello folks,
>> >> >>> >> >> > AFAIU, there is a problem that Openmeetings room screen by
>> >> default
>> >> >>> >> >> > contains too many interface items. Maxim told me, the
>> design is
>> >> >>> >> >> > overloaded. I believe Roman's idea is to keep things
>> relatively
>> >> >>> simple
>> >> >>> >> >> > until people want more. If they want a whiteboard, they
>> click
>> >> >>> >> >> > somewhere, and whiteboard appears. I believe it may appear
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >>> top
>> >> >>> >> >> > half of the chat window. This is not completely different
>> from
>> >> >>> what do
>> >> >>> >> >> > we have now, the main difference is that people have a chat
>> >> window
>> >> >>> >> >> > opened by default, and whiteboard window collapsed.
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > Roman, is it correct?
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > BTW, we get one more interesting idea for mathematical
>> >> whiteboard
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> >> >> > implement. See http://bay73.github.io/whiteboard/
>> >> >>> >> >> > The question about this whiteboard is, does it worth to
>> >> implement
>> >> >>> this
>> >> >>> >> >> > geometry whiteboard as a "special separate whiteboard", or
>> >> should
>> >> >>> we
>> >> >>> >> >> > merge two boards into one?
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > --
>> >> >>> >> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >> >>> >> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >> >>> >> >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> >> >>> >> >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>> >> >>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
>> >> >>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > > it is nice,
>> >> >>> >> >> > > the only issue with this design is: no whiteboard :(
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
>> >> >>> >> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>> >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Maxim, folks,
>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Roman has prepared a sketch for the new room design.
>> What
>> >> do
>> >> >>> you
>> >> >>> >> >> think?
>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Sorry for Russian, the text does not matter anything
>> >> anyway.
>> >> >>> The
>> >> >>> >> >> > picture
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > can be enlarged.
>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >>> >>
>> http://www.mediafire.com/view/319b01qgi775n/new_ui#95vbbc25oba9ubj
>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > --
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/
>> >> >>> >> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095
>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >>> >> >> > > WBR
>> >> >>> >> >> > > Maxim aka solomax
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > --
>> >> >>> >> > WBR
>> >> >>> >> > Maxim aka solomax
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > --
>> >> >>> > WBR
>> >> >>> > Maxim aka solomax
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> WBR
>> >> >> Maxim aka solomax
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > WBR
>> > Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
>--
>WBR
>Maxim aka solomax
>
--
Андрей Богданов
Re: Re[4]: new room design
Posted by Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>.
See http://openmeetings.apache.org/mail-lists.html
2013/6/6 Mohammed Subhi Sheikh Quroush <fo...@hotmail.com>
> How can I unsubscribe
>
> > From: bay73@mail.ru
> > To: solomax666@gmail.com
> > CC: dev@openmeetings.apache.org
> > Subject: Re[4]: new room design
> > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:21:06 +0400
> >
> >
> > Hi Maxim,
> >
> > When I started this I didn't think about OpenMeetings whiteboard. It
> wasn't even whiteboard - it was a tool for ruler-and-compass constructions.
> I didn't need advanced drawing - only lines and circles.
> > Closure promises to support svg as well as convas and chooses one of
> them according to browser support - now whiteboard works even at my old
> Android 2.X with default browser.
> > Also closure has all what I need - a lot of advanced components such as
> menus, tooltips, color pallet and so on. It has compiling toool which allow
> to take all required components to one js-file.
> > On the last one motif was - to have more "close knowledge" about
> closure. :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrey Bogdanov
> >
> >
> >
> > Среда, 5 июня 2013, 6:14 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik <
> solomax666@gmail.com>:
> > >Hello Andrey,
> > >
> > >Thanks for the answer!
> > >Could you please describe a bit why have you choose google closure? I
> had plan to use http://raphaeljs.com/ .
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Bogdanov Andrey < bay73@mail.ru >
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>I'm sorry but I've possible missed you mail or haven't received it.
> > >>
> > >>For whiteboard I used google closure library.
> > >>
> > >>Regards,
> > >>Andrey Bogdanov
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Вторник, 4 июня 2013, 22:00 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik <
> solomax666@gmail.com >:
> > >>>I did wrote letter to Andrey with some questions ...
> > >>>I get no answer :(
> > >>>I would like to know if he uses any JS framework in his work.
> > >>>I believe it is better to rely on framework than to write everything
> "from
> > >>>scratch"
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Andrey have just said to me that he plans adding mind graphs to his
> > >>>> whiteboard. The main concern is how to coordinate this with Andun.
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> solomax666@gmail.com >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> > I would vote for additional WB tools.
> > >>>> > Maybe we should think on close/remove some tools for moderators
> (like
> > >>>> > currently in dashboard widgets)
> > >>>> > I don't know.
> > >>>> > I prefer to finish current tasks then to start thinking on WB
> > >>>> > I glad to hear various opinions on this topics since currently we
> can
> > >>>> > discuss with no rush
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> > >>>> >wrote:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >> Good. Do you suggest having both types of whiteboards opened by
> default
> > >>>> as
> > >>>> >> well?
> > >>>> >> --
> > >>>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>> >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>> >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> > >>>> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
> > >>>> >> wrote:
> > >>>> >> > Maxim, new users don't know how to open a chat panel. For
> returning
> > >>>> >> > users I'm ok to keep the last opened panel open.
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > Right now I need to draw arrows to attract user attention to
> the chat
> > >>>> >> > panel, and some people don't see arrows because everyone has
> these
> > >>>> >> > arrows somewhere on the board, and sometimes out of the screen.
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > BTW, how often do you personally use whiteboard during
> conferences?
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > --
> > >>>> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> > >>>> solomax666@gmail.com >
> > >>>> >> wrote:
> > >>>> >> >> you can get chat opened by default in current version using
> "Chat
> > >>>> panel
> > >>>> >> >> opened by default" room option.
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> > >>>> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> I think open chat is more important than open whiteboard at
> the
> > >>>> >> >>> beginning, because most people who have sound problems can
> get some
> > >>>> >> >>> help.
> > >>>> >> >>> --
> > >>>> >> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>> >> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>> >> >>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>> >> >>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>> >> >>>
> > >>>> >> >>>
> > >>>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> > >>>> solomax666@gmail.com
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> wrote:
> > >>>> >> >>> > It is only possible for moderator ....
> > >>>> >> >>> > The interface should be simplified for sure .... but it
> should
> > >>>> >> function
> > >>>> >> >>> :)
> > >>>> >> >>> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >
> > >>>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> > >>>> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> > >>>> >> >>> >wrote:
> > >>>> >> >>> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> Maxim, that's possible to close whiteboard now, the
> argument does
> > >>>> >> not
> > >>>> >> >>> >> stand,
> > >>>> >> >>> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >>
> > >>>> >> >>>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b9s70Abay0k/Ua3xVZyANGI/AAAAAAAAFTk/uOGjNiwrNZM/w899-h469-no/noboard.png
> > >>>> >> >>> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >> I have 5 more arguments, anyway it was your idea that
> interface
> > >>>> >> should
> > >>>> >> >>> >> be simplified.
> > >>>> >> >>> >> --
> > >>>> >> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>> >> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>> >> >>> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> > >>>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
> > >>>> >> >>> >> > I'm afraid this not going to work like this :(
> > >>>> >> >>> >> > no teacher will accept if students will close the
> whiteboard
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> >> will
> > >>>> >> >>> >> only
> > >>>> >> >>> >> > be chatting :)
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> > >>>> >> akhor666@gmail.com
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >wrote:
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> Hello Alexei,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> I think it would be good solution to put UI elements
> (such as
> > >>>> >> >>> whitebord,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> userlist etc) into containers like views in Eclipse
> and allow
> > >>>> >> user to
> > >>>> >> >>> >> close
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> or minimize them. This way will allow us implements
> many
> > >>>> >> variants of
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> whiteboard (for example) or add new UI containers by
> plugins.
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> 2013/6/4 Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Hello folks,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > AFAIU, there is a problem that Openmeetings room
> screen by
> > >>>> >> default
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > contains too many interface items. Maxim told me, the
> > >>>> design is
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > overloaded. I believe Roman's idea is to keep things
> > >>>> relatively
> > >>>> >> >>> simple
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > until people want more. If they want a whiteboard,
> they
> > >>>> click
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > somewhere, and whiteboard appears. I believe it may
> appear
> > >>>> on
> > >>>> >> the
> > >>>> >> >>> top
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > half of the chat window. This is not completely
> different
> > >>>> from
> > >>>> >> >>> what do
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > we have now, the main difference is that people have
> a chat
> > >>>> >> window
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > opened by default, and whiteboard window collapsed.
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Roman, is it correct?
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > BTW, we get one more interesting idea for
> mathematical
> > >>>> >> whiteboard
> > >>>> >> >>> to
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > implement. See http://bay73.github.io/whiteboard/
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > The question about this whiteboard is, does it worth
> to
> > >>>> >> implement
> > >>>> >> >>> this
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > geometry whiteboard as a "special separate
> whiteboard", or
> > >>>> >> should
> > >>>> >> >>> we
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > merge two boards into one?
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > --
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> > >>>> >> >>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > it is nice,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > the only issue with this design is: no whiteboard
> :(
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Maxim, folks,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Roman has prepared a sketch for the new room
> design.
> > >>>> What
> > >>>> >> do
> > >>>> >> >>> you
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> think?
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Sorry for Russian, the text does not matter
> anything
> > >>>> >> anyway.
> > >>>> >> >>> The
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > picture
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > can be enlarged.
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >>
> > >>>>
> http://www.mediafire.com/view/319b01qgi775n/new_ui#95vbbc25oba9ubj
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > --
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > --
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > WBR
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >> > --
> > >>>> >> >>> >> > WBR
> > >>>> >> >>> >> > Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>> >> >>> >>
> > >>>> >> >>> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >
> > >>>> >> >>> >
> > >>>> >> >>> > --
> > >>>> >> >>> > WBR
> > >>>> >> >>> > Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>> >> >>>
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> --
> > >>>> >> >> WBR
> > >>>> >> >> Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > --
> > >>>> > WBR
> > >>>> > Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>--
> > >>>WBR
> > >>>Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>Андрей Богданов
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >WBR
> > >Maxim aka solomax
> >
> >
> > --
> > Андрей Богданов
>
>
RE: Re[4]: new room design
Posted by Mohammed Subhi Sheikh Quroush <fo...@hotmail.com>.
How can I unsubscribe
> From: bay73@mail.ru
> To: solomax666@gmail.com
> CC: dev@openmeetings.apache.org
> Subject: Re[4]: new room design
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:21:06 +0400
>
>
> Hi Maxim,
>
> When I started this I didn't think about OpenMeetings whiteboard. It wasn't even whiteboard - it was a tool for ruler-and-compass constructions. I didn't need advanced drawing - only lines and circles.
> Closure promises to support svg as well as convas and chooses one of them according to browser support - now whiteboard works even at my old Android 2.X with default browser.
> Also closure has all what I need - a lot of advanced components such as menus, tooltips, color pallet and so on. It has compiling toool which allow to take all required components to one js-file.
> On the last one motif was - to have more "close knowledge" about closure. :)
>
> Regards,
> Andrey Bogdanov
>
>
>
> Среда, 5 июня 2013, 6:14 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>:
> >Hello Andrey,
> >
> >Thanks for the answer!
> >Could you please describe a bit why have you choose google closure? I had plan to use http://raphaeljs.com/ .
> >
> >Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Bogdanov Andrey < bay73@mail.ru > wrote:
> >>
> >>I'm sorry but I've possible missed you mail or haven't received it.
> >>
> >>For whiteboard I used google closure library.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Andrey Bogdanov
> >>
> >>
> >>Вторник, 4 июня 2013, 22:00 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik < solomax666@gmail.com >:
> >>>I did wrote letter to Andrey with some questions ...
> >>>I get no answer :(
> >>>I would like to know if he uses any JS framework in his work.
> >>>I believe it is better to rely on framework than to write everything "from
> >>>scratch"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Andrey have just said to me that he plans adding mind graphs to his
> >>>> whiteboard. The main concern is how to coordinate this with Andun.
> >>>> --
> >>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < solomax666@gmail.com >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > I would vote for additional WB tools.
> >>>> > Maybe we should think on close/remove some tools for moderators (like
> >>>> > currently in dashboard widgets)
> >>>> > I don't know.
> >>>> > I prefer to finish current tasks then to start thinking on WB
> >>>> > I glad to hear various opinions on this topics since currently we can
> >>>> > discuss with no rush
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Good. Do you suggest having both types of whiteboards opened by default
> >>>> as
> >>>> >> well?
> >>>> >> --
> >>>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> >>>> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> > Maxim, new users don't know how to open a chat panel. For returning
> >>>> >> > users I'm ok to keep the last opened panel open.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Right now I need to draw arrows to attract user attention to the chat
> >>>> >> > panel, and some people don't see arrows because everyone has these
> >>>> >> > arrows somewhere on the board, and sometimes out of the screen.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > BTW, how often do you personally use whiteboard during conferences?
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > --
> >>>> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >>>> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> >>>> solomax666@gmail.com >
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> >> you can get chat opened by default in current version using "Chat
> >>>> panel
> >>>> >> >> opened by default" room option.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> >>>> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>> I think open chat is more important than open whiteboard at the
> >>>> >> >>> beginning, because most people who have sound problems can get some
> >>>> >> >>> help.
> >>>> >> >>> --
> >>>> >> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>> >> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>> >> >>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>> >> >>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> >>>> solomax666@gmail.com
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> > It is only possible for moderator ....
> >>>> >> >>> > The interface should be simplified for sure .... but it should
> >>>> >> function
> >>>> >> >>> :)
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> >>>> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >>>> >> >>> >wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> Maxim, that's possible to close whiteboard now, the argument does
> >>>> >> not
> >>>> >> >>> >> stand,
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b9s70Abay0k/Ua3xVZyANGI/AAAAAAAAFTk/uOGjNiwrNZM/w899-h469-no/noboard.png
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> I have 5 more arguments, anyway it was your idea that interface
> >>>> >> should
> >>>> >> >>> >> be simplified.
> >>>> >> >>> >> --
> >>>> >> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>> >> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>> >> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>> >> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> >>>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> >> > I'm afraid this not going to work like this :(
> >>>> >> >>> >> > no teacher will accept if students will close the whiteboard
> >>>> and
> >>>> >> will
> >>>> >> >>> >> only
> >>>> >> >>> >> > be chatting :)
> >>>> >> >>> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >>>> >> akhor666@gmail.com
> >>>> >> >>> >> >wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> Hello Alexei,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> I think it would be good solution to put UI elements (such as
> >>>> >> >>> whitebord,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> userlist etc) into containers like views in Eclipse and allow
> >>>> >> user to
> >>>> >> >>> >> close
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> or minimize them. This way will allow us implements many
> >>>> >> variants of
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> whiteboard (for example) or add new UI containers by plugins.
> >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> 2013/6/4 Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Hello folks,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > AFAIU, there is a problem that Openmeetings room screen by
> >>>> >> default
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > contains too many interface items. Maxim told me, the
> >>>> design is
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > overloaded. I believe Roman's idea is to keep things
> >>>> relatively
> >>>> >> >>> simple
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > until people want more. If they want a whiteboard, they
> >>>> click
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > somewhere, and whiteboard appears. I believe it may appear
> >>>> on
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> >>> top
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > half of the chat window. This is not completely different
> >>>> from
> >>>> >> >>> what do
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > we have now, the main difference is that people have a chat
> >>>> >> window
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > opened by default, and whiteboard window collapsed.
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Roman, is it correct?
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > BTW, we get one more interesting idea for mathematical
> >>>> >> whiteboard
> >>>> >> >>> to
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > implement. See http://bay73.github.io/whiteboard/
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > The question about this whiteboard is, does it worth to
> >>>> >> implement
> >>>> >> >>> this
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > geometry whiteboard as a "special separate whiteboard", or
> >>>> >> should
> >>>> >> >>> we
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > merge two boards into one?
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > --
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> >>>> >> >>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > it is nice,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > the only issue with this design is: no whiteboard :(
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Maxim, folks,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Roman has prepared a sketch for the new room design.
> >>>> What
> >>>> >> do
> >>>> >> >>> you
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> think?
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Sorry for Russian, the text does not matter anything
> >>>> >> anyway.
> >>>> >> >>> The
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > picture
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > can be enlarged.
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> http://www.mediafire.com/view/319b01qgi775n/new_ui#95vbbc25oba9ubj
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > --
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > --
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > WBR
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > Maxim aka solomax
> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> >
> >>>> >> >>> >> > --
> >>>> >> >>> >> > WBR
> >>>> >> >>> >> > Maxim aka solomax
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> > --
> >>>> >> >>> > WBR
> >>>> >> >>> > Maxim aka solomax
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> --
> >>>> >> >> WBR
> >>>> >> >> Maxim aka solomax
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > WBR
> >>>> > Maxim aka solomax
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>WBR
> >>>Maxim aka solomax
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Андрей Богданов
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >WBR
> >Maxim aka solomax
>
>
> --
> Андрей Богданов
Re[4]: new room design
Posted by Bogdanov Andrey <ba...@mail.ru>.
Hi Maxim,
When I started this I didn't think about OpenMeetings whiteboard. It wasn't even whiteboard - it was a tool for ruler-and-compass constructions. I didn't need advanced drawing - only lines and circles.
Closure promises to support svg as well as convas and chooses one of them according to browser support - now whiteboard works even at my old Android 2.X with default browser.
Also closure has all what I need - a lot of advanced components such as menus, tooltips, color pallet and so on. It has compiling toool which allow to take all required components to one js-file.
On the last one motif was - to have more "close knowledge" about closure. :)
Regards,
Andrey Bogdanov
Среда, 5 июня 2013, 6:14 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>:
>Hello Andrey,
>
>Thanks for the answer!
>Could you please describe a bit why have you choose google closure? I had plan to use http://raphaeljs.com/ .
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Bogdanov Andrey < bay73@mail.ru > wrote:
>>
>>I'm sorry but I've possible missed you mail or haven't received it.
>>
>>For whiteboard I used google closure library.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Andrey Bogdanov
>>
>>
>>Вторник, 4 июня 2013, 22:00 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik < solomax666@gmail.com >:
>>>I did wrote letter to Andrey with some questions ...
>>>I get no answer :(
>>>I would like to know if he uses any JS framework in his work.
>>>I believe it is better to rely on framework than to write everything "from
>>>scratch"
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrey have just said to me that he plans adding mind graphs to his
>>>> whiteboard. The main concern is how to coordinate this with Andun.
>>>> --
>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < solomax666@gmail.com >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I would vote for additional WB tools.
>>>> > Maybe we should think on close/remove some tools for moderators (like
>>>> > currently in dashboard widgets)
>>>> > I don't know.
>>>> > I prefer to finish current tasks then to start thinking on WB
>>>> > I glad to hear various opinions on this topics since currently we can
>>>> > discuss with no rush
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Good. Do you suggest having both types of whiteboards opened by default
>>>> as
>>>> >> well?
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>>>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
>>>> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Maxim, new users don't know how to open a chat panel. For returning
>>>> >> > users I'm ok to keep the last opened panel open.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Right now I need to draw arrows to attract user attention to the chat
>>>> >> > panel, and some people don't see arrows because everyone has these
>>>> >> > arrows somewhere on the board, and sometimes out of the screen.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > BTW, how often do you personally use whiteboard during conferences?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> >> > http://dataved.ru/
>>>> >> > +7 916 562 8095
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>> solomax666@gmail.com >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> you can get chat opened by default in current version using "Chat
>>>> panel
>>>> >> >> opened by default" room option.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
>>>> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> I think open chat is more important than open whiteboard at the
>>>> >> >>> beginning, because most people who have sound problems can get some
>>>> >> >>> help.
>>>> >> >>> --
>>>> >> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> >> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> >> >>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>> >> >>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>> solomax666@gmail.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> > It is only possible for moderator ....
>>>> >> >>> > The interface should be simplified for sure .... but it should
>>>> >> function
>>>> >> >>> :)
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
>>>> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>>>> >> >>> >wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> >> Maxim, that's possible to close whiteboard now, the argument does
>>>> >> not
>>>> >> >>> >> stand,
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b9s70Abay0k/Ua3xVZyANGI/AAAAAAAAFTk/uOGjNiwrNZM/w899-h469-no/noboard.png
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> I have 5 more arguments, anyway it was your idea that interface
>>>> >> should
>>>> >> >>> >> be simplified.
>>>> >> >>> >> --
>>>> >> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> >> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> >> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>>>> >> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
>>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >> > I'm afraid this not going to work like this :(
>>>> >> >>> >> > no teacher will accept if students will close the whiteboard
>>>> and
>>>> >> will
>>>> >> >>> >> only
>>>> >> >>> >> > be chatting :)
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>>>> >> akhor666@gmail.com
>>>> >> >>> >> >wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> Hello Alexei,
>>>> >> >>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> >> I think it would be good solution to put UI elements (such as
>>>> >> >>> whitebord,
>>>> >> >>> >> >> userlist etc) into containers like views in Eclipse and allow
>>>> >> user to
>>>> >> >>> >> close
>>>> >> >>> >> >> or minimize them. This way will allow us implements many
>>>> >> variants of
>>>> >> >>> >> >> whiteboard (for example) or add new UI containers by plugins.
>>>> >> >>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> >> 2013/6/4 Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
>>>> >> >>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Hello folks,
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > AFAIU, there is a problem that Openmeetings room screen by
>>>> >> default
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > contains too many interface items. Maxim told me, the
>>>> design is
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > overloaded. I believe Roman's idea is to keep things
>>>> relatively
>>>> >> >>> simple
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > until people want more. If they want a whiteboard, they
>>>> click
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > somewhere, and whiteboard appears. I believe it may appear
>>>> on
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> >>> top
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > half of the chat window. This is not completely different
>>>> from
>>>> >> >>> what do
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > we have now, the main difference is that people have a chat
>>>> >> window
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > opened by default, and whiteboard window collapsed.
>>>> >> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Roman, is it correct?
>>>> >> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > BTW, we get one more interesting idea for mathematical
>>>> >> whiteboard
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > implement. See http://bay73.github.io/whiteboard/
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > The question about this whiteboard is, does it worth to
>>>> >> implement
>>>> >> >>> this
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > geometry whiteboard as a "special separate whiteboard", or
>>>> >> should
>>>> >> >>> we
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > merge two boards into one?
>>>> >> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > --
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > http://dataved.ru/
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > +7 916 562 8095
>>>> >> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>> >> >>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > it is nice,
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > the only issue with this design is: no whiteboard :(
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
>>>> >> >>> >> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Maxim, folks,
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Roman has prepared a sketch for the new room design.
>>>> What
>>>> >> do
>>>> >> >>> you
>>>> >> >>> >> >> think?
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Sorry for Russian, the text does not matter anything
>>>> >> anyway.
>>>> >> >>> The
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > picture
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > can be enlarged.
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> http://www.mediafire.com/view/319b01qgi775n/new_ui#95vbbc25oba9ubj
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > --
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > --
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > WBR
>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > Maxim aka solomax
>>>> >> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> > --
>>>> >> >>> >> > WBR
>>>> >> >>> >> > Maxim aka solomax
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > --
>>>> >> >>> > WBR
>>>> >> >>> > Maxim aka solomax
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> WBR
>>>> >> >> Maxim aka solomax
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > WBR
>>>> > Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>WBR
>>>Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Андрей Богданов
>
>
>
>--
>WBR
>Maxim aka solomax
--
Андрей Богданов
Re: Re[2]: new room design
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Andrey,
Thanks for the answer!
Could you please describe a bit why have you choose google closure? I had
plan to use http://raphaeljs.com/ .
Thanks in advance
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Bogdanov Andrey <ba...@mail.ru> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry but I've possible missed you mail or haven't received it.
>
> For whiteboard I used google closure library.
>
> Regards,
> Andrey Bogdanov
>
>
> Вторник, 4 июня 2013, 22:00 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik <
> solomax666@gmail.com>:
> >I did wrote letter to Andrey with some questions ...
> >I get no answer :(
> >I would like to know if he uses any JS framework in his work.
> >I believe it is better to rely on framework than to write everything "from
> >scratch"
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Andrey have just said to me that he plans adding mind graphs to his
> >> whiteboard. The main concern is how to coordinate this with Andun.
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < solomax666@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I would vote for additional WB tools.
> >> > Maybe we should think on close/remove some tools for moderators (like
> >> > currently in dashboard widgets)
> >> > I don't know.
> >> > I prefer to finish current tasks then to start thinking on WB
> >> > I glad to hear various opinions on this topics since currently we can
> >> > discuss with no rush
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Good. Do you suggest having both types of whiteboards opened by
> default
> >> as
> >> >> well?
> >> >> --
> >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Maxim, new users don't know how to open a chat panel. For returning
> >> >> > users I'm ok to keep the last opened panel open.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Right now I need to draw arrows to attract user attention to the
> chat
> >> >> > panel, and some people don't see arrows because everyone has these
> >> >> > arrows somewhere on the board, and sometimes out of the screen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BTW, how often do you personally use whiteboard during conferences?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> you can get chat opened by default in current version using "Chat
> >> panel
> >> >> >> opened by default" room option.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> >> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> I think open chat is more important than open whiteboard at the
> >> >> >>> beginning, because most people who have sound problems can get
> some
> >> >> >>> help.
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >> >>> http://dataved.ru/
> >> >> >>> +7 916 562 8095
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> solomax666@gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >> >>> > It is only possible for moderator ....
> >> >> >>> > The interface should be simplified for sure .... but it should
> >> >> function
> >> >> >>> :)
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> >> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >> >> >>> >wrote:
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >> Maxim, that's possible to close whiteboard now, the argument
> does
> >> >> not
> >> >> >>> >> stand,
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b9s70Abay0k/Ua3xVZyANGI/AAAAAAAAFTk/uOGjNiwrNZM/w899-h469-no/noboard.png
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> I have 5 more arguments, anyway it was your idea that
> interface
> >> >> should
> >> >> >>> >> be simplified.
> >> >> >>> >> --
> >> >> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> >> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
> >> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> > I'm afraid this not going to work like this :(
> >> >> >>> >> > no teacher will accept if students will close the whiteboard
> >> and
> >> >> will
> >> >> >>> >> only
> >> >> >>> >> > be chatting :)
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >> >> akhor666@gmail.com
> >> >> >>> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >> Hello Alexei,
> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >>> >> >> I think it would be good solution to put UI elements (such
> as
> >> >> >>> whitebord,
> >> >> >>> >> >> userlist etc) into containers like views in Eclipse and
> allow
> >> >> user to
> >> >> >>> >> close
> >> >> >>> >> >> or minimize them. This way will allow us implements many
> >> >> variants of
> >> >> >>> >> >> whiteboard (for example) or add new UI containers by
> plugins.
> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >>> >> >> 2013/6/4 Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedotov@gmail.com >
> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >>> >> >> > Hello folks,
> >> >> >>> >> >> > AFAIU, there is a problem that Openmeetings room screen
> by
> >> >> default
> >> >> >>> >> >> > contains too many interface items. Maxim told me, the
> >> design is
> >> >> >>> >> >> > overloaded. I believe Roman's idea is to keep things
> >> relatively
> >> >> >>> simple
> >> >> >>> >> >> > until people want more. If they want a whiteboard, they
> >> click
> >> >> >>> >> >> > somewhere, and whiteboard appears. I believe it may
> appear
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> >>> top
> >> >> >>> >> >> > half of the chat window. This is not completely different
> >> from
> >> >> >>> what do
> >> >> >>> >> >> > we have now, the main difference is that people have a
> chat
> >> >> window
> >> >> >>> >> >> > opened by default, and whiteboard window collapsed.
> >> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > Roman, is it correct?
> >> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > BTW, we get one more interesting idea for mathematical
> >> >> whiteboard
> >> >> >>> to
> >> >> >>> >> >> > implement. See http://bay73.github.io/whiteboard/
> >> >> >>> >> >> > The question about this whiteboard is, does it worth to
> >> >> implement
> >> >> >>> this
> >> >> >>> >> >> > geometry whiteboard as a "special separate whiteboard",
> or
> >> >> should
> >> >> >>> we
> >> >> >>> >> >> > merge two boards into one?
> >> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > --
> >> >> >>> >> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >> >>> >> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >> >>> >> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> >> >>> >> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> >> >>> >> solomax666@gmail.com >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > it is nice,
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > the only issue with this design is: no whiteboard :(
> >> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> >> >> >>> >> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >> >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > Maxim, folks,
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > Roman has prepared a sketch for the new room design.
> >> What
> >> >> do
> >> >> >>> you
> >> >> >>> >> >> think?
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > Sorry for Russian, the text does not matter anything
> >> >> anyway.
> >> >> >>> The
> >> >> >>> >> >> > picture
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > can be enlarged.
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> http://www.mediafire.com/view/319b01qgi775n/new_ui#95vbbc25oba9ubj
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > --
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > --
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > WBR
> >> >> >>> >> >> > > Maxim aka solomax
> >> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> > --
> >> >> >>> >> > WBR
> >> >> >>> >> > Maxim aka solomax
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > --
> >> >> >>> > WBR
> >> >> >>> > Maxim aka solomax
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> WBR
> >> >> >> Maxim aka solomax
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > WBR
> >> > Maxim aka solomax
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >WBR
> >Maxim aka solomax
> >
>
>
> --
> Андрей Богданов
>
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