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For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10 upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
I list below some of the recent threads.
The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100% effective path to do this (from the reports below)
Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently being the most commonly affected.
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
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Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:38:58 -0400
Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:44:01 -0400
> > Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Did some of my own testing, starting with a clean image of Windows 7
> >> Professional x64. Installed AOO 4.1.1 and created and saved files
> >> with Writer, Calc and Impress. Did the upgrade to Windows 10.
> >> Confirmed that I could read and write the previously saved files.
> >> Tried both opening the files from within the apps as well as
> >> double-clicking the documents from the File Explorer. I experienced
> >> no file permission issues.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >
> > Thanks, Rob. So we may reasonably conclude that most of the reported problems about read-only files are due to faulty user interaction with Win10. It is most helpful to have confirmation of that point.
> >
>
> We can only really say that there does not seem to be a problem with
> the most straightforward upgrade scenario. There may be an issue,
> with Windows or with AOO, in some more complicated scenarios. Or
> not. It might be worth asking a few questions to see if there is a
> pattern:
>
> 1) What version of Windows did you upgrade from?
>
> 2) 32 bit or 64 bit?
>
> 3) The Windows 10 upgrade gives three options: a) Fresh install, b)
> Preserve Data and Programs and c) Preserve data only. Which did you
> do?
>
> 4) Where were the documents stored that AOO sees as read-only? Local
> HD? USB stick? Cloud storage?
>
> 5) Do you see this problem with other applications and their
> documents, or only with AOO?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
I've filed this reply, Rob, and will ask these questions when the problem arises.
Rory
>
> > Rory
> >
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> >> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> >> > These accounts don't provide enough information to nail anything down to root causes, and some of the forum cases are not resolved one way or the other yet.
> >> >
> >> > My main desktop machine upgraded (with my permission) to Windows 10 Pro x64 on the evening of July 29.
> >> >
> >> > I already had AOO 4.1.1 and LibreOffice 4.3.5.2 installed.
> >> >
> >> > I just did some random opening of existing .odt and .ods files in both applications. I just opened all AOO applications from the menu window.
> >> >
> >> > I am unable to find any of these problems.
> >> >
> >> > I don't dispute that others are having some sort of trouble. I am saying it is not something I can isolate any evidence for.
> >> >
> >> > We need to have someone who can work with us to resolve a Bugzilla on a specific case, being able to provide screen shots or other useful information on exactly what is happening, what the messages are, etc. We also need to keep other reports separate unless the detailed actual situations are confirmed to be the same.
> >> >
> >> > I am happy to work with anyone who is able to do that and has a demonstrated case of post-upgrade difficulties that we can nail down.
> >> >
> >> > - Dennis
> >> >
> >> > PS: When getting the Windows File Explorer properties for a folder, the Read-only attribute box will tend to have a black square in it. This does not mean that all of the files are read only. This may be misleading some folks into thinking that is their problem. Only if there is a check-mark in the box are the files in the folder all set to read-only. (The black box apparently means there might be some read-only files in the folder below, and those are usually system files, not everything.)
> >> >
> >> > PPS: I have seen reports that Windows 10 Home (not Pro) has increased security safeguards. I don't know if this is related or not.
> >> >
> >> > PPPS: I have not attempted any fresh installs of anything. I will install a later version of LibreOffice to see if there are problems there. Based on my experience so far, I do not expect any.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:rob@robweir.com]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 05:47
> >> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
> >> >
> >> > I see this as well:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/
> >> >
> >> > The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click
> >> > and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked "read only" there,
> >> > with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue.
> >> >
> >> > -Rob
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> >> >> I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
> >> >>
> >> >> There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10 upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
> >> >>
> >> >> I list below some of the recent threads.
> >> >>
> >> >> The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100% effective path to do this (from the reports below)
> >> >>
> >> >> Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently being the most commonly affected.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
> >> >>
> >> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
> >> >>
> >> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
> >> >>
> >> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
> >> >>
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Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com>.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:44:01 -0400
> Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com> wrote:
>
>> Did some of my own testing, starting with a clean image of Windows 7
>> Professional x64. Installed AOO 4.1.1 and created and saved files
>> with Writer, Calc and Impress. Did the upgrade to Windows 10.
>> Confirmed that I could read and write the previously saved files.
>> Tried both opening the files from within the apps as well as
>> double-clicking the documents from the File Explorer. I experienced
>> no file permission issues.
>>
>> -Rob
>
> Thanks, Rob. So we may reasonably conclude that most of the reported problems about read-only files are due to faulty user interaction with Win10. It is most helpful to have confirmation of that point.
>
We can only really say that there does not seem to be a problem with
the most straightforward upgrade scenario. There may be an issue,
with Windows or with AOO, in some more complicated scenarios. Or
not. It might be worth asking a few questions to see if there is a
pattern:
1) What version of Windows did you upgrade from?
2) 32 bit or 64 bit?
3) The Windows 10 upgrade gives three options: a) Fresh install, b)
Preserve Data and Programs and c) Preserve data only. Which did you
do?
4) Where were the documents stored that AOO sees as read-only? Local
HD? USB stick? Cloud storage?
5) Do you see this problem with other applications and their
documents, or only with AOO?
Regards,
-Rob
> Rory
>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
>> > These accounts don't provide enough information to nail anything down to root causes, and some of the forum cases are not resolved one way or the other yet.
>> >
>> > My main desktop machine upgraded (with my permission) to Windows 10 Pro x64 on the evening of July 29.
>> >
>> > I already had AOO 4.1.1 and LibreOffice 4.3.5.2 installed.
>> >
>> > I just did some random opening of existing .odt and .ods files in both applications. I just opened all AOO applications from the menu window.
>> >
>> > I am unable to find any of these problems.
>> >
>> > I don't dispute that others are having some sort of trouble. I am saying it is not something I can isolate any evidence for.
>> >
>> > We need to have someone who can work with us to resolve a Bugzilla on a specific case, being able to provide screen shots or other useful information on exactly what is happening, what the messages are, etc. We also need to keep other reports separate unless the detailed actual situations are confirmed to be the same.
>> >
>> > I am happy to work with anyone who is able to do that and has a demonstrated case of post-upgrade difficulties that we can nail down.
>> >
>> > - Dennis
>> >
>> > PS: When getting the Windows File Explorer properties for a folder, the Read-only attribute box will tend to have a black square in it. This does not mean that all of the files are read only. This may be misleading some folks into thinking that is their problem. Only if there is a check-mark in the box are the files in the folder all set to read-only. (The black box apparently means there might be some read-only files in the folder below, and those are usually system files, not everything.)
>> >
>> > PPS: I have seen reports that Windows 10 Home (not Pro) has increased security safeguards. I don't know if this is related or not.
>> >
>> > PPPS: I have not attempted any fresh installs of anything. I will install a later version of LibreOffice to see if there are problems there. Based on my experience so far, I do not expect any.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:rob@robweir.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 05:47
>> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
>> >
>> > I see this as well:
>> >
>> > http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/
>> >
>> > The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click
>> > and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked "read only" there,
>> > with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue.
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> >> I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
>> >>
>> >> There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10 upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
>> >>
>> >> I list below some of the recent threads.
>> >>
>> >> The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100% effective path to do this (from the reports below)
>> >>
>> >> Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently being the most commonly affected.
>> >>
>> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
>> >>
>> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
>> >>
>> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
>> >>
>> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
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>> >
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>
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Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:44:01 -0400
Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com> wrote:
> Did some of my own testing, starting with a clean image of Windows 7
> Professional x64. Installed AOO 4.1.1 and created and saved files
> with Writer, Calc and Impress. Did the upgrade to Windows 10.
> Confirmed that I could read and write the previously saved files.
> Tried both opening the files from within the apps as well as
> double-clicking the documents from the File Explorer. I experienced
> no file permission issues.
>
> -Rob
Thanks, Rob. So we may reasonably conclude that most of the reported problems about read-only files are due to faulty user interaction with Win10. It is most helpful to have confirmation of that point.
Rory
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> > These accounts don't provide enough information to nail anything down to root causes, and some of the forum cases are not resolved one way or the other yet.
> >
> > My main desktop machine upgraded (with my permission) to Windows 10 Pro x64 on the evening of July 29.
> >
> > I already had AOO 4.1.1 and LibreOffice 4.3.5.2 installed.
> >
> > I just did some random opening of existing .odt and .ods files in both applications. I just opened all AOO applications from the menu window.
> >
> > I am unable to find any of these problems.
> >
> > I don't dispute that others are having some sort of trouble. I am saying it is not something I can isolate any evidence for.
> >
> > We need to have someone who can work with us to resolve a Bugzilla on a specific case, being able to provide screen shots or other useful information on exactly what is happening, what the messages are, etc. We also need to keep other reports separate unless the detailed actual situations are confirmed to be the same.
> >
> > I am happy to work with anyone who is able to do that and has a demonstrated case of post-upgrade difficulties that we can nail down.
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> > PS: When getting the Windows File Explorer properties for a folder, the Read-only attribute box will tend to have a black square in it. This does not mean that all of the files are read only. This may be misleading some folks into thinking that is their problem. Only if there is a check-mark in the box are the files in the folder all set to read-only. (The black box apparently means there might be some read-only files in the folder below, and those are usually system files, not everything.)
> >
> > PPS: I have seen reports that Windows 10 Home (not Pro) has increased security safeguards. I don't know if this is related or not.
> >
> > PPPS: I have not attempted any fresh installs of anything. I will install a later version of LibreOffice to see if there are problems there. Based on my experience so far, I do not expect any.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:rob@robweir.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 05:47
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
> >
> > I see this as well:
> >
> > http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/
> >
> > The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click
> > and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked "read only" there,
> > with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> >> I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
> >>
> >> There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10 upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
> >>
> >> I list below some of the recent threads.
> >>
> >> The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100% effective path to do this (from the reports below)
> >>
> >> Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently being the most commonly affected.
> >>
> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
> >>
> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
> >>
> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
> >>
> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
> >>
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Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com>.
Did some of my own testing, starting with a clean image of Windows 7
Professional x64. Installed AOO 4.1.1 and created and saved files
with Writer, Calc and Impress. Did the upgrade to Windows 10.
Confirmed that I could read and write the previously saved files.
Tried both opening the files from within the apps as well as
double-clicking the documents from the File Explorer. I experienced
no file permission issues.
-Rob
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<de...@acm.org> wrote:
> These accounts don't provide enough information to nail anything down to root causes, and some of the forum cases are not resolved one way or the other yet.
>
> My main desktop machine upgraded (with my permission) to Windows 10 Pro x64 on the evening of July 29.
>
> I already had AOO 4.1.1 and LibreOffice 4.3.5.2 installed.
>
> I just did some random opening of existing .odt and .ods files in both applications. I just opened all AOO applications from the menu window.
>
> I am unable to find any of these problems.
>
> I don't dispute that others are having some sort of trouble. I am saying it is not something I can isolate any evidence for.
>
> We need to have someone who can work with us to resolve a Bugzilla on a specific case, being able to provide screen shots or other useful information on exactly what is happening, what the messages are, etc. We also need to keep other reports separate unless the detailed actual situations are confirmed to be the same.
>
> I am happy to work with anyone who is able to do that and has a demonstrated case of post-upgrade difficulties that we can nail down.
>
> - Dennis
>
> PS: When getting the Windows File Explorer properties for a folder, the Read-only attribute box will tend to have a black square in it. This does not mean that all of the files are read only. This may be misleading some folks into thinking that is their problem. Only if there is a check-mark in the box are the files in the folder all set to read-only. (The black box apparently means there might be some read-only files in the folder below, and those are usually system files, not everything.)
>
> PPS: I have seen reports that Windows 10 Home (not Pro) has increased security safeguards. I don't know if this is related or not.
>
> PPPS: I have not attempted any fresh installs of anything. I will install a later version of LibreOffice to see if there are problems there. Based on my experience so far, I do not expect any.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:rob@robweir.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 05:47
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
>
> I see this as well:
>
> http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/
>
> The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click
> and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked "read only" there,
> with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
>>
>> There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10 upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
>>
>> I list below some of the recent threads.
>>
>> The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100% effective path to do this (from the reports below)
>>
>> Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently being the most commonly affected.
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
>>
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>
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RE: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
These accounts don't provide enough information to nail anything down to root causes, and some of the forum cases are not resolved one way or the other yet.
My main desktop machine upgraded (with my permission) to Windows 10 Pro x64 on the evening of July 29.
I already had AOO 4.1.1 and LibreOffice 4.3.5.2 installed.
I just did some random opening of existing .odt and .ods files in both applications. I just opened all AOO applications from the menu window.
I am unable to find any of these problems.
I don't dispute that others are having some sort of trouble. I am saying it is not something I can isolate any evidence for.
We need to have someone who can work with us to resolve a Bugzilla on a specific case, being able to provide screen shots or other useful information on exactly what is happening, what the messages are, etc. We also need to keep other reports separate unless the detailed actual situations are confirmed to be the same.
I am happy to work with anyone who is able to do that and has a demonstrated case of post-upgrade difficulties that we can nail down.
- Dennis
PS: When getting the Windows File Explorer properties for a folder, the Read-only attribute box will tend to have a black square in it. This does not mean that all of the files are read only. This may be misleading some folks into thinking that is their problem. Only if there is a check-mark in the box are the files in the folder all set to read-only. (The black box apparently means there might be some read-only files in the folder below, and those are usually system files, not everything.)
PPS: I have seen reports that Windows 10 Home (not Pro) has increased security safeguards. I don't know if this is related or not.
PPPS: I have not attempted any fresh installs of anything. I will install a later version of LibreOffice to see if there are problems there. Based on my experience so far, I do not expect any.
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From: Rob Weir [mailto:rob@robweir.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 05:47
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
I see this as well:
http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/
The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click
and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked "read only" there,
with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue.
-Rob
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
>
> There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10 upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
>
> I list below some of the recent threads.
>
> The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100% effective path to do this (from the reports below)
>
> Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently being the most commonly affected.
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
>
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Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Thanks for your update. So, for me it doesn't look like a general
problem. We should pay some attention to the problem of the "read-only"
files.
Next interesting question would to know what happens when the read-only
attribute is removed. Can the OpenOffice files be opened like before?
And is the startup of OpenOffice different/better?
Marcus
Am 08/04/2015 08:44 PM, schrieb David Bell:
> Did not occur for my files so there is more to it than just the upgrade
> process.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Bell
> Senior Solution Architect& IBM Certified Specialist
> IBM Enterprise Social Solutions - IBM Connections Cloud, Architecture&
> Strategy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Rob Weir<ro...@robweir.com>
> To: "dev@openoffice.apache.org"<de...@openoffice.apache.org>
> Date: 08/04/2015 05:49
> Subject: Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
>
>
>
> I see this as well:
>
> http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/
>
>
> The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click
> and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked "read only" there,
> with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell<of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old
> version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below
> is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
>>
>> There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are
> being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10
> upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
>>
>> I list below some of the recent threads.
>>
>> The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice
> files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only
> form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100%
> effective path to do this (from the reports below)
>>
>> Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently
> being the most commonly affected.
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
>>
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell<of...@iol.ie>
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Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
Posted by David Bell <da...@us.ibm.com>.
Did not occur for my files so there is more to it than just the upgrade
process.
Regards,
David Bell
Senior Solution Architect & IBM Certified Specialist
IBM Enterprise Social Solutions - IBM Connections Cloud, Architecture &
Strategy
From: Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com>
To: "dev@openoffice.apache.org" <de...@openoffice.apache.org>
Date: 08/04/2015 05:49
Subject: Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
I see this as well:
http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/
The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click
and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked "read only" there,
with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue.
-Rob
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old
version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below
is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
>
> There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are
being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10
upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
>
> I list below some of the recent threads.
>
> The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice
files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only
form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100%
effective path to do this (from the reports below)
>
> Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently
being the most commonly affected.
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>
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Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com>.
I see this as well:
http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/
The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click
and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked "read only" there,
with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue.
-Rob
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings.
>
> There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10 upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade.
>
> I list below some of the recent threads.
>
> The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100% effective path to do this (from the reports below)
>
> Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently being the most commonly affected.
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78470
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78450
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78432
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78445
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>
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