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Posted to marketing@cloudstack.apache.org by Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com> on 2016/04/28 07:09:33 UTC
OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Greetings,
Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
<snip>
The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated
<http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
"If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would now be
at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said." Sadowski
said.
<snip>
The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
Cheers,
Madan
--
Madan Ganesh Velayudham
Founder & CEO
ActOnMagic
*Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
www.actonmagic.com
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:24 PM, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> OpenStack RM(s). That is not my version of fun. :)
having fun, sadist?
--
Daan
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>.
Haha. Ya, I don't envy OpenStack RM(s). That is not my version of fun. :)
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 3:05 PM, ilya <il...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you look at it objectively - while lack of Citrix's involvement to
> create foundation - hurt the project, it also ensured that our code base
> is less of a zoo - OpenStack has these days.
>
> My 2'cents, its much easier to work with a project that has relatively
> small committer base VS thousands of committer OS has. Imagine 2000
> active committers and 2000 opinions on how something should be done.
>
> That makes it very difficult to manage and deliver stability in addition
> to being able to guarantee that upgrade process from version X to
> version Z goes through cleanly.
>
> A simple example is our back log queue - Will and others are trying to
> clear now. Its nothing in comparison to OpenStack backlog.
>
> Hence, you see just about any company out there, spins up their own
> flavor of OpenStack. I can easily count 10 different flavors of
> openstack - that lock you in to their version only and then $milk$ you
> for support and anything else you might need.
>
>
> On 4/28/16 5:07 AM, Nux! wrote:
> > If
> >
> > --
> > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> >
> > Nux!
> > www.nux.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Madan Ganesh Velayudham" <ma...@actonmagic.com>
> >> To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> Sent: Thursday, 28 April, 2016 06:09:33
> >> Subject: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
> >
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
> >> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix
> donated
> >> <
> http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html
> >
> >> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up
> with
> >> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
> >>
> >> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would
> now be
> >> at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said." Sadowski
> >> said.
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Madan
> >>
> >> --
> >> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
> >> Founder & CEO
> >> ActOnMagic
> >>
> >> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
> >> www.actonmagic.com
>
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by ilya <il...@gmail.com>.
If you look at it objectively - while lack of Citrix's involvement to
create foundation - hurt the project, it also ensured that our code base
is less of a zoo - OpenStack has these days.
My 2'cents, its much easier to work with a project that has relatively
small committer base VS thousands of committer OS has. Imagine 2000
active committers and 2000 opinions on how something should be done.
That makes it very difficult to manage and deliver stability in addition
to being able to guarantee that upgrade process from version X to
version Z goes through cleanly.
A simple example is our back log queue - Will and others are trying to
clear now. Its nothing in comparison to OpenStack backlog.
Hence, you see just about any company out there, spins up their own
flavor of OpenStack. I can easily count 10 different flavors of
openstack - that lock you in to their version only and then $milk$ you
for support and anything else you might need.
On 4/28/16 5:07 AM, Nux! wrote:
> If
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Madan Ganesh Velayudham" <ma...@actonmagic.com>
>> To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 April, 2016 06:09:33
>> Subject: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>
>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>
>> <snip>
>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
>> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated
>> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
>> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
>> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>
>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would now be
>> at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said." Sadowski
>> said.
>> <snip>
>>
>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Madan
>>
>> --
>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>> Founder & CEO
>> ActOnMagic
>>
>> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
>> www.actonmagic.com
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
If
--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Madan Ganesh Velayudham" <ma...@actonmagic.com>
> To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, 28 April, 2016 06:09:33
> Subject: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
> Greetings,
>
> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>
> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>
> <snip>
> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated
> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>
> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would now be
> at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said." Sadowski
> said.
> <snip>
>
> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>
> Cheers,
> Madan
>
> --
> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
> Founder & CEO
> ActOnMagic
>
> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
> www.actonmagic.com
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>.
Agreed Steve!
I believe June Collab will see participicants work on launching a
CloudStack marketing alliance.
Citrix was in an awkward situation (series of unfortunate events shall
we say?) and was unable to get it done, but I just think that proves my
point that sometimes it is easier to get things done if you are not a large
disrupted enterprise IT vendor or otherwise under the control of one.
Ian
On Thursday, 28 April 2016, Steve Wilson <st...@citrix.com> wrote:
> I agree that CloudStack works and is great technology. However, OpenStack
> won the marketing war because their foundation was set up to do so. All
> attempts that Mark Hinkle and others made to pull together a real marketing
> alliance to promote CloudStack as an industry initiative seemed to run
> afoul of Apache rules/processes/organization.
>
> This is an area where CloudStack could really do better.
>
> -Steve
>
> From: Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','williamstevens@gmail.com');>>
> Reply-To: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','marketing@cloudstack.apache.org');>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','marketing@cloudstack.apache.org');>>
> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 7:39 AM
> To: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','marketing@cloudstack.apache.org');>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','marketing@cloudstack.apache.org');>>
> Subject: Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
>
> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that
> works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money
> doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no
> success stories. Kind of sad really...
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <
> madanganesh@actonmagic.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','madanganesh@actonmagic.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>
>>
>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>
>> <snip>
>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
>> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix
>> donated
>> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
>> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
>> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>
>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would now
>> be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said."
>> Sadowski said.
>> <snip>
>>
>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Madan
>>
>> --
>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>> Founder & CEO
>> ActOnMagic
>>
>> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
>> www.actonmagic.com
>>
>
>
--
Ian Rae
CEO | PDG
c: 514.944.4008
CloudOps | Cloud Infrastructure and Networking Solutions
www.cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Canada | H3J 1S6
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Steve Wilson <st...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> I agree that CloudStack works and is great technology. However, OpenStack won the marketing war because their foundation was set up to do so. All attempts that Mark Hinkle and others made to pull together a real marketing alliance to promote CloudStack as an industry initiative seemed to run afoul of Apache rules/processes/organization.
The decision to donate the software to Apache, was Citrix’s decision.
And Apache is not a marketing alliance operating for the benefit of its sponsoring companies.
Apache operates for the public good.
If that’s what Citrix wanted to do, they should not have given Cloudstack to ASF in the first place.
That said Cloudera and Hortonworks and Datastax and other companies have successfully built great businesses on top of Apache software. Too bad Citrix did not manage it.
End of story
>
> This is an area where CloudStack could really do better.
>
> -Steve
>
> From: Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 7:39 AM
> To: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
>
> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really...
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>
> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>
> <snip>
> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>
> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
> <snip>
>
> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>
> Cheers,
> Madan
>
> --
> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
> Founder & CEO
> ActOnMagic
>
> Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!
> www.actonmagic.com
>
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Steve Wilson <st...@citrix.com>.
I agree that CloudStack works and is great technology. However, OpenStack won the marketing war because their foundation was set up to do so. All attempts that Mark Hinkle and others made to pull together a real marketing alliance to promote CloudStack as an industry initiative seemed to run afoul of Apache rules/processes/organization.
This is an area where CloudStack could really do better.
-Steve
From: Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 7:39 AM
To: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com>> wrote:
Greetings,
Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
<snip>
The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated<http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
"If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
<snip>
The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
Cheers,
Madan
--
Madan Ganesh Velayudham
Founder & CEO
ActOnMagic
Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!
www.actonmagic.com<http://www.actonmagic.com/>
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by ilya <il...@gmail.com>.
On 4/28/16 12:53 PM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Sunando Bhattacharya <su...@indiqus.com> wrote:
>>
>> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
>
> So I am of the opinion that “openstack works” just because some friends at CERN have it working.…
>
> But $3.4B of revenues is just pure bullocks …..
>
> Except if you equate IBM and HP cloud business as Openstack revenues.
>
>>
>> Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
Have you seen Nuage implementation of NFV with CloudStack? If not, its
worth trying it out.
>
> What about Bi-modal IT and Devops, is Openstack catching up there too ?
>
>>
>> Lets call a spade a spade
>> Sunando Bhattacharya
>> M +91 97111 52299
>> www.indiqus.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On 28 April 2016 at 8:26:21 PM, Giles Sirett (giles.sirett@shapeblue.com) wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to that will
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>> Giles
>>>
>>> D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
>>> Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
>>>
>>>
>>> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
>>> www.shapeblue.com
>>> @shapeblue
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com> wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>>>
>>>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Madan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>>>> Founder & CEO
>>>> ActOnMagic
>>>>
>>>> Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!
>>>> www.actonmagic.com
>
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Sunando Bhattacharya <su...@indiqus.com> wrote:
>
> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
So I am of the opinion that “openstack works” just because some friends at CERN have it working.…
But $3.4B of revenues is just pure bullocks …..
Except if you equate IBM and HP cloud business as Openstack revenues.
>
> Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
What about Bi-modal IT and Devops, is Openstack catching up there too ?
>
> Lets call a spade a spade
> Sunando Bhattacharya
> M +91 97111 52299
> www.indiqus.com
>
>
>
>
>
> This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited unless proper authorization has been obtained for such action. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately. Although IndiQus attempts to sweep e-mail and attachments for viruses, it does not guarantee that both are virus-free and accepts no liability for any damage sustained as a result of viruses.
>
>
> On 28 April 2016 at 8:26:21 PM, Giles Sirett (giles.sirett@shapeblue.com) wrote:
>
>> +1 to that will
>>
>> Kind Regards
>> Giles
>>
>> D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
>> Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
>>
>>
>> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
>> www.shapeblue.com
>> @shapeblue
>>
>>
>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com> wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>>
>>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>>
>>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Madan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>>> Founder & CEO
>>> ActOnMagic
>>>
>>> Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!
>>> www.actonmagic.com
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by ilya <il...@gmail.com>.
Well summarized!
On 4/28/16 9:38 AM, Ian Rae wrote:
> The accounting is incorrect, these are just marketing claims. Much is
> services or "attached" revenue. In the past some analysts have confused
> the revenue of entire companies (Rackspace) with being OpenStack
> revenue. Bottom line is, most companies are not making money from
> OpenStack itself. Many are deriving value however, but ROI is very unclear.
>
> There has been a huge amount of money invested in OpenStack, but many
> have done so with the goal of selling their product that plugs into
> OpenStack. Most of the focus is still on implementation challenges
> (product market fit, time to value and supporting use cases). Some stuff
> works today and some doesn't.
>
> And it depends how you look at "works" ...at CloudOps we are concerned
> with operationalization and long term efficient operations and lifecycle
> management. So for us it is hard to actually know...it is hard to find
> people at the Summit who want to talk about this since most are focused
> on proving a business case in the short term related to selling product
> or support services. With a ton of investment some providers are seeing
> success in the private cloud as a service market. You can debate the
> long term usefulness of private cloud but in OpenStack it is a smart
> model because it limits the scale and failure domains and it offloads
> the cost of implementation and operations to the service provider. And
> so it delivers value if the service provider can pull it off. Maybe
> BlueBox and Rackspace can make this work longer term.
>
> End of day for OpenStack to be considered successful there needs to be
> successful product-market fit over a reasonable period of time which
> needs to give good ROI for customer, and is profitable to build maintain
> and support for the service provider. It also needs to live up to the
> promise of help you own your destiny as opposed to getting stuck (say
> unable to upgrade or locked into a service provider).
>
> There are a lot of folks invested in this foundation so law of large
> numbers means a few may find that business case, call it survival of the
> fittest. Then again lot of folks attending the Summit are talking about
> OpenStack being a "skip" technology which should concern some. Others
> talk of OpenStack being just an API and the projects themselves should
> compete with each other and be interchangeable.
>
> I think the future is going to be more complicated (not either or), and
> this is the CloudOps bet. For example we have successfully
> operationalized many components of OpenStack (sometimes in conjunction
> with CloudStack) and our customers rely on those today and they deliver
> daily value at low cost and we can upgrade them (not always easily mind
> you).
>
> The good news for CloudStack is we continue to see growth in our
> customer base and success in driving profit. I think this comes from
> finding a product market fit. Still lots to solve and hoping the next
> Collab (June 1-3 Montreal) will enable leadership in both solving some
> issues and making progress with functionality.
>
> There's probably a balance in between the brazen focus on marketing over
> value delivery of OpenStack foundation and the heads down in the
> trenches quiet work of Apache CloudStack, but lack or large disrupted
> and confused vendors may ultimately be the reason the community succeeds!
>
> Hoping everyone interested in this topic will attend the
> June Collab conference that is showing a lot of sponsorship and interest!
>
> http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org
>
> Ian
>
> On Thursday, 28 April 2016, Jules-Henri Gavetti <jhgavetti@ikoula.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jhgavetti@ikoula.com');>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On the French Market :
> 1 year ago every body talk about OpenStack.
> Now nobody care.
> Why because a lot of big company lost a huge amount of money in POC
>
> CloudStack is business ready.
> We see more and more ISV build plugin for Cloudstack
>
> In the 3.4 billion you have hardware, software and consulting.
>
> HP sell Openstack with his hardware and mix the revenue.
> Every Openstack supplier do that.
>
> 3.4 billion doesn't really exist !
>
> A bientôt
>
> Jules
>
>
> Le 28 avr. 2016 à 17:50, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting
>> and operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of
>> revenues. :) I wonder which number is bigger...
>>
>> You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go
>> to a new version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of
>> your workloads.
>>
>> I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would
>> rather be an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and
>> that says a lot about the actual technology...
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya
>> <su...@indiqus.com> wrote:
>>
>> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack
>> doesn’t work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
>>
>> Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on
>> most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like
>> NFV.
>>
>> Lets call a spade a spade
>>
>> *Sunando Bhattacharya*
>> *M* +91 97111 52299 <tel:%2B91%2097111%2052299>
>> www.indiqus.com <http://www.indiqus.com>
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>> On 28 April 2016 at 8:26:21 PM, Giles Sirett
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>>
>>> +1 to that will
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens
>>> <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a
>>>> product that works and our product works just fine. Just
>>>> goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the
>>>> problem... :) All that money and almost no success
>>>> stories. Kind of sad really...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>>>> <ma...@actonmagic.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in
>>>> 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and
>>>> its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated
>>>> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
>>>> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was
>>>> never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder,
>>>> stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>>>
>>>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around
>>>> CloudStack, *we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not
>>>> OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Madan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>>>> Founder & CEO
>>>> ActOnMagic
>>>>
>>>> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with
>>>> ActOnCloud!*
>>>> www.actonmagic.com <http://www.actonmagic.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
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OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>.
The accounting is incorrect, these are just marketing claims. Much is
services or "attached" revenue. In the past some analysts have confused the
revenue of entire companies (Rackspace) with being OpenStack revenue.
Bottom line is, most companies are not making money from OpenStack itself.
Many are deriving value however, but ROI is very unclear.
There has been a huge amount of money invested in OpenStack, but many have
done so with the goal of selling their product that plugs into
OpenStack. Most of the focus is still on implementation challenges (product
market fit, time to value and supporting use cases). Some stuff works today
and some doesn't.
And it depends how you look at "works" ...at CloudOps we are concerned with
operationalization and long term efficient operations and lifecycle
management. So for us it is hard to actually know...it is hard to find
people at the Summit who want to talk about this since most are focused on
proving a business case in the short term related to selling product or
support services. With a ton of investment some providers are seeing
success in the private cloud as a service market. You can debate the long
term usefulness of private cloud but in OpenStack it is a smart model
because it limits the scale and failure domains and it offloads the cost of
implementation and operations to the service provider. And so it delivers
value if the service provider can pull it off. Maybe BlueBox and Rackspace
can make this work longer term.
End of day for OpenStack to be considered successful there needs to be
successful product-market fit over a reasonable period of time which needs
to give good ROI for customer, and is profitable to build maintain and
support for the service provider. It also needs to live up to the promise
of help you own your destiny as opposed to getting stuck (say unable to
upgrade or locked into a service provider).
There are a lot of folks invested in this foundation so law of large
numbers means a few may find that business case, call it survival of the
fittest. Then again lot of folks attending the Summit are talking about
OpenStack being a "skip" technology which should concern some. Others talk
of OpenStack being just an API and the projects themselves should compete
with each other and be interchangeable.
I think the future is going to be more complicated (not either or), and
this is the CloudOps bet. For example we have successfully
operationalized many components of OpenStack (sometimes in conjunction with
CloudStack) and our customers rely on those today and they deliver daily
value at low cost and we can upgrade them (not always easily mind you).
The good news for CloudStack is we continue to see growth in our customer
base and success in driving profit. I think this comes from finding a
product market fit. Still lots to solve and hoping the next Collab (June
1-3 Montreal) will enable leadership in both solving some issues and making
progress with functionality.
There's probably a balance in between the brazen focus on marketing over
value delivery of OpenStack foundation and the heads down in the trenches
quiet work of Apache CloudStack, but lack or large disrupted and
confused vendors may ultimately be the reason the community succeeds!
Hoping everyone interested in this topic will attend the
June Collab conference that is showing a lot of sponsorship and interest!
http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org
Ian
On Thursday, 28 April 2016, Jules-Henri Gavetti <jhgavetti@ikoula.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jhgavetti@ikoula.com');>> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On the French Market :
> 1 year ago every body talk about OpenStack.
> Now nobody care.
> Why because a lot of big company lost a huge amount of money in POC
>
> CloudStack is business ready.
> We see more and more ISV build plugin for Cloudstack
>
> In the 3.4 billion you have hardware, software and consulting.
>
> HP sell Openstack with his hardware and mix the revenue.
> Every Openstack supplier do that.
>
> 3.4 billion doesn't really exist !
>
> A bientôt
>
> Jules
>
>
> Le 28 avr. 2016 à 17:50, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and
> operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of revenues. :) I
> wonder which number is bigger...
>
> You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go to a new
> version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of your workloads.
>
> I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would rather be
> an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and that says a lot
> about the actual technology...
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya <
> sunando@indiqus.com> wrote:
>
>> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t
>> work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
>>
>> Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts
>> with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
>>
>> Lets call a spade a spade
>>
>> *Sunando Bhattacharya*
>> *M* +91 97111 52299
>> www.indiqus.com
>>
>> <https://www.indiqus.com/blog>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/indiqus-technologies-pvt-ltd->
>> <https://twitter.com/INDIQUS>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+Indiqus_technologies/about>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/indiqus>
>>
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>> On 28 April 2016 at 8:26:21 PM, Giles Sirett (giles.sirett@shapeblue.com)
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1 to that will
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Giles
>>
>>
>>
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>> <+44%20796%20111%202055>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> www.shapeblue.com
>> @shapeblue
>>
>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that
>> works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money
>> doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no
>> success stories. Kind of sad really...
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <
>> madanganesh@actonmagic.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
>>> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix
>>> donated
>>> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
>>> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
>>> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>>
>>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would
>>> now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said."
>>> Sadowski said.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Madan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>>> Founder & CEO
>>> ActOnMagic
>>>
>>> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
>>> www.actonmagic.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Jules-Henri Gavetti <jh...@ikoula.com>.
Hello,
On the French Market :
1 year ago every body talk about OpenStack.
Now nobody care.
Why because a lot of big company lost a huge amount of money in POC
CloudStack is business ready.
We see more and more ISV build plugin for Cloudstack
In the 3.4 billion you have hardware, software and consulting.
HP sell Openstack with his hardware and mix the revenue.
Every Openstack supplier do that.
3.4 billion doesn't really exist !
A bient?t
Jules
Le 28 avr. 2016 ? 17:50, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>> a ?crit :
I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of revenues. :) I wonder which number is bigger...
You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go to a new version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of your workloads.
I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would rather be an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and that says a lot about the actual technology...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya <su...@indiqus.com>> wrote:
I really don't know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn't work... $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
Lets call a spade a spade
Sunando Bhattacharya
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+1 to that will
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On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com>> wrote:
Greetings,
Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
<snip>
The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated<http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
"If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
<snip>
The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
Cheers,
Madan
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Founder & CEO
ActOnMagic
Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!
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Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>.
I don't want to come across as anti-OpenStack because I am not. We use
some components of OpenStack. The problem I see is that everyone investing
in OpenStack has to prove its value, which has resulted in extensive smoke
and mirrors. Because of this many companies have invested heavily
in OpenStack adoption, but many of these projects fail once they get into
the nuts and bolts.
In contrast, CloudStack hardly has the marketing funds to present the
basics to the market. While this has its own problems, when people choose
CloudStack, they know what they are getting. It is feature rich while
still being manageable in size and scope, making it viable for companies at
any scale.
It is also worth pointing out that OpenStack and CloudStack are not solving
the same problems. CloudStack solves for a subset of
what OpenStack (claims to) solve for. I think the scope of what OpenStack
has tried to solve for is one of the reasons it has become so hard to adopt.
OpenStack will continue to be a contender simply due to the massive amount
of money invested into it. At some point in the future it will likely be a
viable option for medium to large companies, but that is not the case yet.
We will see how the next 5 years play out...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Erik Weber <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Depending on the upgrade, it can take anywhere from a few minutes to a few
> hours to upgrade cloudstack.
>
> HP stopped providing its public openstack cloud..
>
> Erik
>
>
> Den torsdag 28. april 2016 skrev Yim, Philip <Ph...@alliedtelesis.com>
> følgende:
>
>> I'm new to the thread but does cloudstack solve this problem ?
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and
>> operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of revenues. :) I
>> wonder which number is bigger...
>>
>> You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go to a new
>> version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of your workloads.
>>
>> I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would rather
>> be an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and that says a lot
>> about the actual technology...
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya <
>> sunando@indiqus.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t
>>> work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
>>>
>>> Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most
>>> counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
>>>
>>> Lets call a spade a spade
>>>
>>> *Sunando Bhattacharya*
>>> *M* +91 97111 52299
>>> www.indiqus.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.indiqus.com/blog>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/indiqus-technologies-pvt-ltd->
>>> <https://twitter.com/INDIQUS>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+Indiqus_technologies/about>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/indiqus>
>>>
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>>> On 28 April 2016 at 8:26:21 PM, Giles Sirett (giles.sirett@shapeblue.com)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 to that will
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>>
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>>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that
>>> works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money
>>> doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no
>>> success stories. Kind of sad really...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <
>>> madanganesh@actonmagic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
>>>> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix
>>>> donated
>>>> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
>>>> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
>>>> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>>>
>>>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would
>>>> now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said."
>>>> Sadowski said.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Madan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>>>> Founder & CEO
>>>> ActOnMagic
>>>>
>>>> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
>>>> www.actonmagic.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Erik Weber <te...@gmail.com>.
Depending on the upgrade, it can take anywhere from a few minutes to a few
hours to upgrade cloudstack.
HP stopped providing its public openstack cloud..
Erik
Den torsdag 28. april 2016 skrev Yim, Philip <Ph...@alliedtelesis.com>
følgende:
> I'm new to the thread but does cloudstack solve this problem ?
>
> Philip
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','williamstevens@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and
> operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of revenues. :) I
> wonder which number is bigger...
>
> You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go to a new
> version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of your workloads.
>
> I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would rather be
> an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and that says a lot
> about the actual technology...
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya <
> sunando@indiqus.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sunando@indiqus.com');>>
> wrote:
>
>> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t
>> work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
>>
>> Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts
>> with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
>>
>> Lets call a spade a spade
>>
>> *Sunando Bhattacharya*
>> *M* +91 97111 52299
>> www.indiqus.com
>>
>> <https://www.indiqus.com/blog>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/indiqus-technologies-pvt-ltd->
>> <https://twitter.com/INDIQUS>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+Indiqus_technologies/about>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/indiqus>
>>
>>
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>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','giles.sirett@shapeblue.com');>) wrote:
>>
>> +1 to that will
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Giles
>>
>>
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>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','williamstevens@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that
>> works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money
>> doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no
>> success stories. Kind of sad really...
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <
>> madanganesh@actonmagic.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','madanganesh@actonmagic.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
>>> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix
>>> donated
>>> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
>>> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
>>> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>>
>>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would
>>> now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said."
>>> Sadowski said.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Madan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>>> Founder & CEO
>>> ActOnMagic
>>>
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>>
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Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by "Yim, Philip" <Ph...@alliedtelesis.com>.
I'm new to the thread but does cloudstack solve this problem ?
Philip
On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of revenues. :) I wonder which number is bigger...
You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go to a new version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of your workloads.
I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would rather be an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and that says a lot about the actual technology...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya <su...@indiqus.com>> wrote:
I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
Lets call a spade a spade
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+1 to that will
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On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com>> wrote:
Greetings,
Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
<snip>
The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated<http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
"If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
<snip>
The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
Cheers,
Madan
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Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>.
I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and
operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of revenues. :) I
wonder which number is bigger...
You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go to a new
version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of your workloads.
I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would rather be
an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and that says a lot
about the actual technology...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya <su...@indiqus.com>
wrote:
> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t
> work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
>
> Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts
> with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
>
> Lets call a spade a spade
>
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> +1 to that will
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> On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that
> works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money
> doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no
> success stories. Kind of sad really...
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <
> madanganesh@actonmagic.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>>
>>
>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>>
>> <snip>
>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
>> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix
>> donated
>> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
>> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
>> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>>
>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would now
>> be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said."
>> Sadowski said.
>> <snip>
>>
>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Madan
>>
>> --
>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
>> Founder & CEO
>> ActOnMagic
>>
>> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
>> www.actonmagic.com
>>
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Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Sunando Bhattacharya <su...@indiqus.com>.
I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!
Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.
Lets call a spade a spade
Sunando Bhattacharya
M +91 97111 52299
www.indiqus.com
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On 28 April 2016 at 8:26:21 PM, Giles Sirett (giles.sirett@shapeblue.com) wrote:
+1 to that will
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On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com> wrote:
Greetings,
Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
<snip>
The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
"If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
<snip>
The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
Cheers,
Madan
--
Madan Ganesh Velayudham
Founder & CEO
ActOnMagic
Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!
www.actonmagic.com
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
+1 to that will
Kind Regards
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On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success stories. Kind of sad really...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com>> wrote:
Greetings,
Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
<snip>
The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated<http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
"If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.
<snip>
The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
Cheers,
Madan
--
Madan Ganesh Velayudham
Founder & CEO
ActOnMagic
Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!
www.actonmagic.com<http://www.actonmagic.com/>
Re: OpenStack Revenues Approaching $3.4B: 451 Research
Posted by Will Stevens <wi...@gmail.com>.
Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works
and our product works just fine. Just goes to show that more money doesn't
always solve the problem... :) All that money and almost no success
stories. Kind of sad really...
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <
madanganesh@actonmagic.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:
>
>
> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html
>
> <snip>
> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in
> contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated
> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html>
> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with
> the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.
>
> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, *we would now
> be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said."
> Sadowski said.
> <snip>
>
> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!
>
> Cheers,
> Madan
>
> --
> Madan Ganesh Velayudham
> Founder & CEO
> ActOnMagic
>
> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with ActOnCloud!*
> www.actonmagic.com
>