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Posted to dev@couchdb.apache.org by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> on 2013/08/12 02:24:14 UTC
[DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Hi folks,
We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for now:
* Weekly news (not started yet)
* Merge procedure
* Release procedure
* Release preparation
* Test procedure
* Committer election process
* PMC election process
* Community guide
* Roadmap process
* Board reports
* Board report guide
* Code of conduct
* PMC charter
* By-laws
* Marketing guide
* CouchDB vision stuff
Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working on.
Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
doesn't belong in the manual.
I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about 20
seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
the page is still loading.
I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently, but
it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get any
better.
For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not sure
how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that we
don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just wouldn't
move it over.)
If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the proposed
move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is causing
me a lot of problems.
(Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps someone
else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
Thanks,
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Ooh, also, Alexander. It would be cool if you'd be available too. As I
> expect, for many of the pages, we can just not move over. But it would be
> good to have you involved!
I'm there and would be glad to help (: I'll post list of "moved" wiki
articles to docs a bit later on this week. Is it ok?
--
,,,^..^,,,
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Ooh, also, Alexander. It would be cool if you'd be available too. As I
expect, for many of the pages, we can just not move over. But it would be
good to have you involved!
On 12 August 2013 16:38, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Joan, are you still up for doing a few sprints? We could tag team the work
> one weekend!
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 16:06, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 09:32:48AM +0200, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
>> > This was discussed previously[1] in May. I assume that moinmoin
>> > slowness atm is another round of spam attacks, this is reported on a
>> > couple of other projects I use too.
>> >
>> > [1]:
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201305.mbox/%3CCAPkS=XN_uT26yyDzg62Jm1+KoFYwMeLnsoySFb7NE1J+V7r-0A@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>
>> This discussion in May holds most of my opinions.
>>
>> Confluence is free-as-in-beer to OSS projects and Apache overall.
>>
>> If we're not moving off of JIRA for issue tracking, we should move to
>> Confluence for wiki stuff.
>>
>> --
>> Joan Touzet | joant@atypical.net | wohali everywhere else
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Joan, are you still up for doing a few sprints? We could tag team the work
one weekend!
On 12 August 2013 16:06, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 09:32:48AM +0200, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
> > This was discussed previously[1] in May. I assume that moinmoin
> > slowness atm is another round of spam attacks, this is reported on a
> > couple of other projects I use too.
> >
> > [1]:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201305.mbox/%3CCAPkS=XN_uT26yyDzg62Jm1+KoFYwMeLnsoySFb7NE1J+V7r-0A@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> This discussion in May holds most of my opinions.
>
> Confluence is free-as-in-beer to OSS projects and Apache overall.
>
> If we're not moving off of JIRA for issue tracking, we should move to
> Confluence for wiki stuff.
>
> --
> Joan Touzet | joant@atypical.net | wohali everywhere else
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 09:32:48AM +0200, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
> This was discussed previously[1] in May. I assume that moinmoin
> slowness atm is another round of spam attacks, this is reported on a
> couple of other projects I use too.
>
> [1]: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201305.mbox/%3CCAPkS=XN_uT26yyDzg62Jm1+KoFYwMeLnsoySFb7NE1J+V7r-0A@mail.gmail.com%3E
This discussion in May holds most of my opinions.
Confluence is free-as-in-beer to OSS projects and Apache overall.
If we're not moving off of JIRA for issue tracking, we should move to
Confluence for wiki stuff.
--
Joan Touzet | joant@atypical.net | wohali everywhere else
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
"New editors must email asking for permission."
A timely reminder. Does Confluence have better anti-spam protection?
That alone is a compelling reason to switch.
B.
On 12 August 2013 09:24, Jason Smith <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> FWIW I avoid the wiki because of the pain and slowness.
>
> Speed is a feature, and the wiki is slow. It is slow to execute, but also
> it is slow to sign in (every time I sign in, it begins with a "forgot
> password" step). And it is slow to join. New editors must email asking for
> permission.
>
> Often, when I talk though an idea on dev@, the next step is to write up a
> simple plan. I wish I could do that on the wiki but I hadn't even
> considered it.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> "None of that presupposes a tool migration."
>>
>> Agreed (of course), but it doesn't preclude it either.
>>
>> I'd use the switch as a chance to clean up the wiki, importing only
>> what's good and true.
>>
>> B.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12 August 2013 08:32, Dave Cottlehuber <dc...@jsonified.com> wrote:
>> > On 12 August 2013 04:14, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> I am still interested in moving to Confluence, though perhaps it's less
>> >> pressing. So if others could weight in, that'd still be cool.
>> >
>> > This was discussed previously[1] in May. I assume that moinmoin
>> > slowness atm is another round of spam attacks, this is reported on a
>> > couple of other projects I use too.
>> >
>> > Nota Bene, IMHO the most important part is to review each/every page
>> > and migrate content to .rst docs, or clean/dump as required. None of
>> > that presupposes a tool migration.
>> >
>> > A+
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > [1]:
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201305.mbox/%3CCAPkS=XN_uT26yyDzg62Jm1+KoFYwMeLnsoySFb7NE1J+V7r-0A@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Jason Smith <jh...@apache.org>.
FWIW I avoid the wiki because of the pain and slowness.
Speed is a feature, and the wiki is slow. It is slow to execute, but also
it is slow to sign in (every time I sign in, it begins with a "forgot
password" step). And it is slow to join. New editors must email asking for
permission.
Often, when I talk though an idea on dev@, the next step is to write up a
simple plan. I wish I could do that on the wiki but I hadn't even
considered it.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> "None of that presupposes a tool migration."
>
> Agreed (of course), but it doesn't preclude it either.
>
> I'd use the switch as a chance to clean up the wiki, importing only
> what's good and true.
>
> B.
>
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 08:32, Dave Cottlehuber <dc...@jsonified.com> wrote:
> > On 12 August 2013 04:14, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> I am still interested in moving to Confluence, though perhaps it's less
> >> pressing. So if others could weight in, that'd still be cool.
> >
> > This was discussed previously[1] in May. I assume that moinmoin
> > slowness atm is another round of spam attacks, this is reported on a
> > couple of other projects I use too.
> >
> > Nota Bene, IMHO the most important part is to review each/every page
> > and migrate content to .rst docs, or clean/dump as required. None of
> > that presupposes a tool migration.
> >
> > A+
> > Dave
> >
> > [1]:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201305.mbox/%3CCAPkS=XN_uT26yyDzg62Jm1+KoFYwMeLnsoySFb7NE1J+V7r-0A@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
"None of that presupposes a tool migration."
Agreed (of course), but it doesn't preclude it either.
I'd use the switch as a chance to clean up the wiki, importing only
what's good and true.
B.
On 12 August 2013 08:32, Dave Cottlehuber <dc...@jsonified.com> wrote:
> On 12 August 2013 04:14, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> I am still interested in moving to Confluence, though perhaps it's less
>> pressing. So if others could weight in, that'd still be cool.
>
> This was discussed previously[1] in May. I assume that moinmoin
> slowness atm is another round of spam attacks, this is reported on a
> couple of other projects I use too.
>
> Nota Bene, IMHO the most important part is to review each/every page
> and migrate content to .rst docs, or clean/dump as required. None of
> that presupposes a tool migration.
>
> A+
> Dave
>
> [1]: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201305.mbox/%3CCAPkS=XN_uT26yyDzg62Jm1+KoFYwMeLnsoySFb7NE1J+V7r-0A@mail.gmail.com%3E
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Dave Cottlehuber <dc...@jsonified.com>.
On 12 August 2013 04:14, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I am still interested in moving to Confluence, though perhaps it's less
> pressing. So if others could weight in, that'd still be cool.
This was discussed previously[1] in May. I assume that moinmoin
slowness atm is another round of spam attacks, this is reported on a
couple of other projects I use too.
Nota Bene, IMHO the most important part is to review each/every page
and migrate content to .rst docs, or clean/dump as required. None of
that presupposes a tool migration.
A+
Dave
[1]: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201305.mbox/%3CCAPkS=XN_uT26yyDzg62Jm1+KoFYwMeLnsoySFb7NE1J+V7r-0A@mail.gmail.com%3E
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Simon Metson <si...@cloudant.com>.
I've used confluence in the past and quite liked it. Integration with jira would be handy, too, though I don't know the details of it.
Didn't this come up a while ago? I have a vague recollection of a small group of folks volunteering to migrate things over...
On Monday, 12 August 2013 at 03:14, Noah Slater wrote:
> Just received word that they are trying to debug the situation, so it might
> get better.
>
> I am still interested in moving to Confluence, though perhaps it's less
> pressing. So if others could weight in, that'd still be cool.
>
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 01:35, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 to switch. iirc there's deep JIRA integration too, which might be handy.
> >
> >
> > On 12 August 2013 01:33, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems perfectly fine to
> >
> > me.
> > >
> > > I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if MoinMoin is likely to
> > > fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
> > >
> > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be faster? +1
> > if
> > > > so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> > > > >
> > > > > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for
> > now:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > > > > * Merge procedure
> > > > > * Release procedure
> > > > > * Release preparation
> > > > > * Test procedure
> > > > > * Committer election process
> > > > > * PMC election process
> > > > > * Community guide
> > > > > * Roadmap process
> > > > > * Board reports
> > > > > * Board report guide
> > > > > * Code of conduct
> > > > > * PMC charter
> > > > > * By-laws
> > > > > * Marketing guide
> > > > > * CouchDB vision stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working
> > on.
> > > > > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > homepage,
> > > > > doesn't belong in the manual.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell
> > you:
> > > > > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > about
> > > > 20
> > > > > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email,
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > and
> > > > > the page is still loading.
> > > > >
> > > > > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently,
> > but
> > > > > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > any
> > > > > better.
> > > > >
> > > > > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not
> > sure
> > > > > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
> > > > >
> > > > > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin,
> > that
> > > > we
> > > > > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
> > > >
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > move it over.)
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
> > > > proposed
> > > > > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
> > > >
> > > > causing
> > > > > me a lot of problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
> > > > someone
> > > > > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Noah Slater
> > > > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Noah Slater
> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Just received word that they are trying to debug the situation, so it might
get better.
I am still interested in moving to Confluence, though perhaps it's less
pressing. So if others could weight in, that'd still be cool.
On 12 August 2013 01:35, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 to switch. iirc there's deep JIRA integration too, which might be handy.
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 01:33, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems perfectly fine to
> me.
> >
> > I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if MoinMoin is likely to
> > fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
> >
> >
> > On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be faster? +1
> if
> >> so.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > Hi folks,
> >> >
> >> > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> >> >
> >> > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for
> now:
> >> >
> >> > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> >> > * Merge procedure
> >> > * Release procedure
> >> > * Release preparation
> >> > * Test procedure
> >> > * Committer election process
> >> > * PMC election process
> >> > * Community guide
> >> > * Roadmap process
> >> > * Board reports
> >> > * Board report guide
> >> > * Code of conduct
> >> > * PMC charter
> >> > * By-laws
> >> > * Marketing guide
> >> > * CouchDB vision stuff
> >> >
> >> > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working
> on.
> >> > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the
> homepage,
> >> > doesn't belong in the manual.
> >> >
> >> > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell
> you:
> >> > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change
> about
> >> 20
> >> > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email,
> and
> >> > the page is still loading.
> >> >
> >> > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently,
> but
> >> > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get
> any
> >> > better.
> >> >
> >> > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not
> sure
> >> > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
> >> >
> >> > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin,
> that
> >> we
> >> > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
> >> wouldn't
> >> > move it over.)
> >> >
> >> > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
> >> proposed
> >> > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
> >> causing
> >> > me a lot of problems.
> >> >
> >> > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
> >> someone
> >> > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Noah Slater
> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
+1 to switch. iirc there's deep JIRA integration too, which might be handy.
On 12 August 2013 01:33, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems perfectly fine to me.
>
> I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if MoinMoin is likely to
> fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be faster? +1 if
>> so.
>>
>>
>> On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
>> >
>> > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for now:
>> >
>> > * Weekly news (not started yet)
>> > * Merge procedure
>> > * Release procedure
>> > * Release preparation
>> > * Test procedure
>> > * Committer election process
>> > * PMC election process
>> > * Community guide
>> > * Roadmap process
>> > * Board reports
>> > * Board report guide
>> > * Code of conduct
>> > * PMC charter
>> > * By-laws
>> > * Marketing guide
>> > * CouchDB vision stuff
>> >
>> > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working on.
>> > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
>> > doesn't belong in the manual.
>> >
>> > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
>> > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about
>> 20
>> > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
>> > the page is still loading.
>> >
>> > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently, but
>> > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get any
>> > better.
>> >
>> > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not sure
>> > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
>> >
>> > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that
>> we
>> > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
>> wouldn't
>> > move it over.)
>> >
>> > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
>> proposed
>> > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
>> causing
>> > me a lot of problems.
>> >
>> > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
>> someone
>> > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > --
>> > Noah Slater
>> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
That will be step one, I expect. Well, more like step 2. We need to request
the new wiki first.
I will let this thread simmer for a few more days before taking lazy
consensus on the subject. So far we've had a few +1s and no objects, and
assuming that remains the case, we'll be free to proceed.
On 12 August 2013 22:12, <od...@linux.com> wrote:
>
> A right, my bad. Anyway I took a look at the formatting syntax of
> Confluence and it looks quite decent so count me in.
>
> Do we already have a list of stuff we want to convert or is that step
> one?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Octavian Damiean
>
>
>
> Two separate initiatives.
>
> Alexander has been moving some wiki content to RST. Stuff that needs
> to go
> in our manual.
>
> This thread is about moving the rest to Confluence.
>
> Help with either is appreciated!
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 19:13, <od...@linux.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm volunteering as well.
> >
> > As far as I understood it is about converting the "good" parts
> of the
> > wiki to RST, right?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Octavian Damiean
> >
> > Launchpad: [https://launchpad.net/~mainerror:
> > <https://launchpad.net/~mainerror>]
> > Stack Overflow: [http://stackoverflow.com/u/418183:
> > <http://stackoverflow.com/users/418183>]
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay, follow up:
> >
> > 1) Confluence has a CAPTCHA system, so we can drop the "you have
> to be
> > manually added to a list of approved contributors" rule. (If we
> get
> > spam,
> > despite having a CAPTCHA, we can add the same sort of rule. But
> at
> > least we
> > get to try it and see.)
> >
> > 2) Still looking at conversions tools. At this point, I think
> I'm
> > happy to
> > volunteer to do it by hand. It's gonna be hard to automate this
> stuff
> > anyway. Our wiki is quite small, and we should be loosing about
> 60% of
> > it
> > anyway, with Alexander's work on the docs.
> >
> >
> > On 12 August 2013 18:43, Octavian Damiean
> <od...@linux.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's a +1 Form me too.
> > > On Aug 12, 2013 2:33 AM, "Noah Slater"
> <ns...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems
> > perfectly fine to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if
> MoinMoin is
> > likely to
> > > > fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson
> <rn...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've no love for the current wiki stack, will
> Confluence be
> > faster? +1
> > > if
> > > > > so.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater
> <ns...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep
> on
> > the wiki for
> > > > now:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > > > > > * Merge procedure
> > > > > > * Release procedure
> > > > > > * Release preparation
> > > > > > * Test procedure
> > > > > > * Committer election process
> > > > > > * PMC election process
> > > > > > * Community guide
> > > > > > * Roadmap process
> > > > > > * Board reports
> > > > > > * Board report guide
> > > > > > * Code of conduct
> > > > > > * PMC charter
> > > > > > * By-laws
> > > > > > * Marketing guide
> > > > > > * CouchDB vision stuff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am
> interested
> > in working
> > > > on.
> > > > > > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't
> belong on
> > the
> > > > homepage,
> > > > > > doesn't belong in the manual.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently,
> and I
> > gotta tell
> > > > you:
> > > > > > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed
> "submit" on a
> > change
> > > about
> > > > > 20
> > > > > > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still
> writing
> > this email,
> > > > and
> > > > > > the page is still loading.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with
> the
> > wiki recently,
> > > > but
> > > > > > it's been this slow for months. And I am not
> confident
> > it's gonna get
> > > > any
> > > > > > better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to
> > Confluence. I'm not
> > > > sure
> > > > > > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people
> wanna
> > help out?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff
> that is
> > in Moin,
> > > > that
> > > > > we
> > > > > > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs.
> (i.e.
> > We just
> > > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > move it over.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you
> wont
> > mind the
> > > > > proposed
> > > > > > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly
> > regularly, it is
> > > > > causing
> > > > > > me a lot of problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my
> > plate. Perhaps
> > > > > someone
> > > > > > else would be interested in moving the content over?
> > Eugh.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Noah Slater
> > > > > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Noah Slater
> > > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by od...@linux.com.
A right, my bad. Anyway I took a look at the formatting syntax of
Confluence and it looks quite decent so count me in.
Do we already have a list of stuff we want to convert or is that step
one?
Cheers,
Octavian Damiean
Two separate initiatives.
Alexander has been moving some wiki content to RST. Stuff that needs
to go
in our manual.
This thread is about moving the rest to Confluence.
Help with either is appreciated!
On 12 August 2013 19:13, <od...@linux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm volunteering as well.
>
> As far as I understood it is about converting the "good" parts
of the
> wiki to RST, right?
>
>
>
>
> Octavian Damiean
>
> Launchpad: [https://launchpad.net/~mainerror:
> <https://launchpad.net/~mainerror>]
> Stack Overflow: [http://stackoverflow.com/u/418183:
> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/418183>]
>
>
>
> Okay, follow up:
>
> 1) Confluence has a CAPTCHA system, so we can drop the "you have
to be
> manually added to a list of approved contributors" rule. (If we
get
> spam,
> despite having a CAPTCHA, we can add the same sort of rule. But
at
> least we
> get to try it and see.)
>
> 2) Still looking at conversions tools. At this point, I think
I'm
> happy to
> volunteer to do it by hand. It's gonna be hard to automate this
stuff
> anyway. Our wiki is quite small, and we should be loosing about
60% of
> it
> anyway, with Alexander's work on the docs.
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 18:43, Octavian Damiean
<od...@linux.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That's a +1 Form me too.
> > On Aug 12, 2013 2:33 AM, "Noah Slater"
<ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems
> perfectly fine to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if
MoinMoin is
> likely to
> > > fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
> > >
> > > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson
<rn...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've no love for the current wiki stack, will
Confluence be
> faster? +1
> > if
> > > > so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater
<ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> > > > >
> > > > > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep
on
> the wiki for
> > > now:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > > > > * Merge procedure
> > > > > * Release procedure
> > > > > * Release preparation
> > > > > * Test procedure
> > > > > * Committer election process
> > > > > * PMC election process
> > > > > * Community guide
> > > > > * Roadmap process
> > > > > * Board reports
> > > > > * Board report guide
> > > > > * Code of conduct
> > > > > * PMC charter
> > > > > * By-laws
> > > > > * Marketing guide
> > > > > * CouchDB vision stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am
interested
> in working
> > > on.
> > > > > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't
belong on
> the
> > > homepage,
> > > > > doesn't belong in the manual.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently,
and I
> gotta tell
> > > you:
> > > > > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed
"submit" on a
> change
> > about
> > > > 20
> > > > > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still
writing
> this email,
> > > and
> > > > > the page is still loading.
> > > > >
> > > > > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with
the
> wiki recently,
> > > but
> > > > > it's been this slow for months. And I am not
confident
> it's gonna get
> > > any
> > > > > better.
> > > > >
> > > > > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to
> Confluence. I'm not
> > > sure
> > > > > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people
wanna
> help out?
> > > > >
> > > > > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff
that is
> in Moin,
> > > that
> > > > we
> > > > > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs.
(i.e.
> We just
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > move it over.)
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you
wont
> mind the
> > > > proposed
> > > > > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly
> regularly, it is
> > > > causing
> > > > > me a lot of problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my
> plate. Perhaps
> > > > someone
> > > > > else would be interested in moving the content over?
> Eugh.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Noah Slater
> > > > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Noah Slater
> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Two separate initiatives.
Alexander has been moving some wiki content to RST. Stuff that needs to go
in our manual.
This thread is about moving the rest to Confluence.
Help with either is appreciated!
On 12 August 2013 19:13, <od...@linux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm volunteering as well.
>
> As far as I understood it is about converting the "good" parts of the
> wiki to RST, right?
>
>
>
>
> Octavian Damiean
>
> Launchpad: [https://launchpad.net/~mainerror:
> <https://launchpad.net/~mainerror>]
> Stack Overflow: [http://stackoverflow.com/u/418183:
> <http://stackoverflow.com/users/418183>]
>
>
>
> Okay, follow up:
>
> 1) Confluence has a CAPTCHA system, so we can drop the "you have to be
> manually added to a list of approved contributors" rule. (If we get
> spam,
> despite having a CAPTCHA, we can add the same sort of rule. But at
> least we
> get to try it and see.)
>
> 2) Still looking at conversions tools. At this point, I think I'm
> happy to
> volunteer to do it by hand. It's gonna be hard to automate this stuff
> anyway. Our wiki is quite small, and we should be loosing about 60% of
> it
> anyway, with Alexander's work on the docs.
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 18:43, Octavian Damiean <od...@linux.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That's a +1 Form me too.
> > On Aug 12, 2013 2:33 AM, "Noah Slater" <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems
> perfectly fine to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if MoinMoin is
> likely to
> > > fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
> > >
> > > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be
> faster? +1
> > if
> > > > so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> > > > >
> > > > > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on
> the wiki for
> > > now:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > > > > * Merge procedure
> > > > > * Release procedure
> > > > > * Release preparation
> > > > > * Test procedure
> > > > > * Committer election process
> > > > > * PMC election process
> > > > > * Community guide
> > > > > * Roadmap process
> > > > > * Board reports
> > > > > * Board report guide
> > > > > * Code of conduct
> > > > > * PMC charter
> > > > > * By-laws
> > > > > * Marketing guide
> > > > > * CouchDB vision stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested
> in working
> > > on.
> > > > > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on
> the
> > > homepage,
> > > > > doesn't belong in the manual.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I
> gotta tell
> > > you:
> > > > > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a
> change
> > about
> > > > 20
> > > > > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing
> this email,
> > > and
> > > > > the page is still loading.
> > > > >
> > > > > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the
> wiki recently,
> > > but
> > > > > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident
> it's gonna get
> > > any
> > > > > better.
> > > > >
> > > > > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to
> Confluence. I'm not
> > > sure
> > > > > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna
> help out?
> > > > >
> > > > > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is
> in Moin,
> > > that
> > > > we
> > > > > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e.
> We just
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > move it over.)
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont
> mind the
> > > > proposed
> > > > > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly
> regularly, it is
> > > > causing
> > > > > me a lot of problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my
> plate. Perhaps
> > > > someone
> > > > > else would be interested in moving the content over?
> Eugh.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Noah Slater
> > > > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Noah Slater
> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by od...@linux.com.
I'm volunteering as well.
As far as I understood it is about converting the "good" parts of the
wiki to RST, right?
Octavian Damiean
Launchpad: [https://launchpad.net/~mainerror:
<https://launchpad.net/~mainerror>]
Stack Overflow: [http://stackoverflow.com/u/418183:
<http://stackoverflow.com/users/418183>]
Okay, follow up:
1) Confluence has a CAPTCHA system, so we can drop the "you have to be
manually added to a list of approved contributors" rule. (If we get
spam,
despite having a CAPTCHA, we can add the same sort of rule. But at
least we
get to try it and see.)
2) Still looking at conversions tools. At this point, I think I'm
happy to
volunteer to do it by hand. It's gonna be hard to automate this stuff
anyway. Our wiki is quite small, and we should be loosing about 60% of
it
anyway, with Alexander's work on the docs.
On 12 August 2013 18:43, Octavian Damiean <od...@linux.com>
wrote:
> That's a +1 Form me too.
> On Aug 12, 2013 2:33 AM, "Noah Slater" <ns...@apache.org>
wrote:
>
> > I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems
perfectly fine to
> > me.
> >
> > I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if MoinMoin is
likely to
> > fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
> >
> > [1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
> >
> >
> > On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>
wrote:
> >
> > > I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be
faster? +1
> if
> > > so.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> > > >
> > > > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on
the wiki for
> > now:
> > > >
> > > > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > > > * Merge procedure
> > > > * Release procedure
> > > > * Release preparation
> > > > * Test procedure
> > > > * Committer election process
> > > > * PMC election process
> > > > * Community guide
> > > > * Roadmap process
> > > > * Board reports
> > > > * Board report guide
> > > > * Code of conduct
> > > > * PMC charter
> > > > * By-laws
> > > > * Marketing guide
> > > > * CouchDB vision stuff
> > > >
> > > > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested
in working
> > on.
> > > > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on
the
> > homepage,
> > > > doesn't belong in the manual.
> > > >
> > > > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I
gotta tell
> > you:
> > > > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a
change
> about
> > > 20
> > > > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing
this email,
> > and
> > > > the page is still loading.
> > > >
> > > > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the
wiki recently,
> > but
> > > > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident
it's gonna get
> > any
> > > > better.
> > > >
> > > > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to
Confluence. I'm not
> > sure
> > > > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna
help out?
> > > >
> > > > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is
in Moin,
> > that
> > > we
> > > > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e.
We just
> > > wouldn't
> > > > move it over.)
> > > >
> > > > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont
mind the
> > > proposed
> > > > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly
regularly, it is
> > > causing
> > > > me a lot of problems.
> > > >
> > > > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my
plate. Perhaps
> > > someone
> > > > else would be interested in moving the content over?
Eugh.)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Noah Slater
> > > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Okay, follow up:
1) Confluence has a CAPTCHA system, so we can drop the "you have to be
manually added to a list of approved contributors" rule. (If we get spam,
despite having a CAPTCHA, we can add the same sort of rule. But at least we
get to try it and see.)
2) Still looking at conversions tools. At this point, I think I'm happy to
volunteer to do it by hand. It's gonna be hard to automate this stuff
anyway. Our wiki is quite small, and we should be loosing about 60% of it
anyway, with Alexander's work on the docs.
On 12 August 2013 18:43, Octavian Damiean <od...@linux.com> wrote:
> That's a +1 Form me too.
> On Aug 12, 2013 2:33 AM, "Noah Slater" <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems perfectly fine to
> > me.
> >
> > I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if MoinMoin is likely to
> > fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
> >
> >
> > On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be faster? +1
> if
> > > so.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> > > >
> > > > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for
> > now:
> > > >
> > > > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > > > * Merge procedure
> > > > * Release procedure
> > > > * Release preparation
> > > > * Test procedure
> > > > * Committer election process
> > > > * PMC election process
> > > > * Community guide
> > > > * Roadmap process
> > > > * Board reports
> > > > * Board report guide
> > > > * Code of conduct
> > > > * PMC charter
> > > > * By-laws
> > > > * Marketing guide
> > > > * CouchDB vision stuff
> > > >
> > > > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working
> > on.
> > > > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the
> > homepage,
> > > > doesn't belong in the manual.
> > > >
> > > > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell
> > you:
> > > > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change
> about
> > > 20
> > > > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email,
> > and
> > > > the page is still loading.
> > > >
> > > > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently,
> > but
> > > > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get
> > any
> > > > better.
> > > >
> > > > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not
> > sure
> > > > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
> > > >
> > > > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin,
> > that
> > > we
> > > > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
> > > wouldn't
> > > > move it over.)
> > > >
> > > > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
> > > proposed
> > > > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
> > > causing
> > > > me a lot of problems.
> > > >
> > > > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
> > > someone
> > > > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Noah Slater
> > > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Octavian Damiean <od...@linux.com>.
That's a +1 Form me too.
On Aug 12, 2013 2:33 AM, "Noah Slater" <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems perfectly fine to
> me.
>
> I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if MoinMoin is likely to
> fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be faster? +1 if
> > so.
> >
> >
> > On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> > >
> > > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for
> now:
> > >
> > > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > > * Merge procedure
> > > * Release procedure
> > > * Release preparation
> > > * Test procedure
> > > * Committer election process
> > > * PMC election process
> > > * Community guide
> > > * Roadmap process
> > > * Board reports
> > > * Board report guide
> > > * Code of conduct
> > > * PMC charter
> > > * By-laws
> > > * Marketing guide
> > > * CouchDB vision stuff
> > >
> > > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working
> on.
> > > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the
> homepage,
> > > doesn't belong in the manual.
> > >
> > > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell
> you:
> > > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about
> > 20
> > > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email,
> and
> > > the page is still loading.
> > >
> > > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently,
> but
> > > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get
> any
> > > better.
> > >
> > > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not
> sure
> > > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
> > >
> > > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin,
> that
> > we
> > > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
> > wouldn't
> > > move it over.)
> > >
> > > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
> > proposed
> > > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
> > causing
> > > me a lot of problems.
> > >
> > > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
> > someone
> > > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Noah Slater
> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
I tested CloudStack's Confluence wiki[1], and it seems perfectly fine to me.
I am posting a quick note to Infra to ask them if MoinMoin is likely to
fixed any time soon. It's been like this for ages.
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home
On 12 August 2013 01:31, Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be faster? +1 if
> so.
>
>
> On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> >
> > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for now:
> >
> > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > * Merge procedure
> > * Release procedure
> > * Release preparation
> > * Test procedure
> > * Committer election process
> > * PMC election process
> > * Community guide
> > * Roadmap process
> > * Board reports
> > * Board report guide
> > * Code of conduct
> > * PMC charter
> > * By-laws
> > * Marketing guide
> > * CouchDB vision stuff
> >
> > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working on.
> > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
> > doesn't belong in the manual.
> >
> > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
> > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about
> 20
> > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
> > the page is still loading.
> >
> > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently, but
> > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get any
> > better.
> >
> > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not sure
> > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
> >
> > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that
> we
> > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
> wouldn't
> > move it over.)
> >
> > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
> proposed
> > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
> causing
> > me a lot of problems.
> >
> > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
> someone
> > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
I've no love for the current wiki stack, will Confluence be faster? +1 if so.
On 12 August 2013 01:24, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
>
> However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for now:
>
> * Weekly news (not started yet)
> * Merge procedure
> * Release procedure
> * Release preparation
> * Test procedure
> * Committer election process
> * PMC election process
> * Community guide
> * Roadmap process
> * Board reports
> * Board report guide
> * Code of conduct
> * PMC charter
> * By-laws
> * Marketing guide
> * CouchDB vision stuff
>
> Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working on.
> Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
> doesn't belong in the manual.
>
> I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
> it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about 20
> seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
> the page is still loading.
>
> I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently, but
> it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get any
> better.
>
> For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not sure
> how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
>
> Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that we
> don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just wouldn't
> move it over.)
>
> If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the proposed
> move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is causing
> me a lot of problems.
>
> (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps someone
> else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
We have a new wiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/CouchDB+Home
I will add some notices to our old wiki asking people to move over.
And I will begin the manual process of moving things over myself.
On 2 February 2014 14:23, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> JIRA created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-7256
>
> On 18 August 2013 17:29, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Thanks folks. Looks like we have consensus. I'll add this to my todo list
>> and reach out to those who volunteered their time.
>>
>>
>> On 13 August 2013 20:32, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> A little later, but nevertheless +1, if things will be greener on the
>>> other side and people are willing to help with the conversion :)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jan
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2013, at 02:24 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi folks,
>>> >
>>> > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
>>> >
>>> > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for
>>> > now:
>>> >
>>> > * Weekly news (not started yet)
>>> > * Merge procedure
>>> > * Release procedure
>>> > * Release preparation
>>> > * Test procedure
>>> > * Committer election process
>>> > * PMC election process
>>> > * Community guide
>>> > * Roadmap process
>>> > * Board reports
>>> > * Board report guide
>>> > * Code of conduct
>>> > * PMC charter
>>> > * By-laws
>>> > * Marketing guide
>>> > * CouchDB vision stuff
>>> >
>>> > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working
>>> > on.
>>> > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
>>> > doesn't belong in the manual.
>>> >
>>> > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
>>> > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about
>>> > 20
>>> > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
>>> > the page is still loading.
>>> >
>>> > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently,
>>> > but
>>> > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get
>>> > any
>>> > better.
>>> >
>>> > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not
>>> > sure
>>> > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
>>> >
>>> > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that
>>> > we
>>> > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
>>> > wouldn't
>>> > move it over.)
>>> >
>>> > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
>>> > proposed
>>> > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
>>> > causing
>>> > me a lot of problems.
>>> >
>>> > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
>>> > someone
>>> > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Noah Slater
>>> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
JIRA created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-7256
On 18 August 2013 17:29, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks folks. Looks like we have consensus. I'll add this to my todo list
> and reach out to those who volunteered their time.
>
>
> On 13 August 2013 20:32, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> A little later, but nevertheless +1, if things will be greener on the
>> other side and people are willing to help with the conversion :)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jan
>> --
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2013, at 02:24 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
>> >
>> > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for
>> > now:
>> >
>> > * Weekly news (not started yet)
>> > * Merge procedure
>> > * Release procedure
>> > * Release preparation
>> > * Test procedure
>> > * Committer election process
>> > * PMC election process
>> > * Community guide
>> > * Roadmap process
>> > * Board reports
>> > * Board report guide
>> > * Code of conduct
>> > * PMC charter
>> > * By-laws
>> > * Marketing guide
>> > * CouchDB vision stuff
>> >
>> > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working
>> > on.
>> > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
>> > doesn't belong in the manual.
>> >
>> > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
>> > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about
>> > 20
>> > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
>> > the page is still loading.
>> >
>> > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently,
>> > but
>> > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get
>> > any
>> > better.
>> >
>> > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not
>> > sure
>> > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
>> >
>> > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that
>> > we
>> > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
>> > wouldn't
>> > move it over.)
>> >
>> > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
>> > proposed
>> > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
>> > causing
>> > me a lot of problems.
>> >
>> > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
>> > someone
>> > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > --
>> > Noah Slater
>> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Thanks folks. Looks like we have consensus. I'll add this to my todo list
and reach out to those who volunteered their time.
On 13 August 2013 20:32, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> A little later, but nevertheless +1, if things will be greener on the
> other side and people are willing to help with the conversion :)
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
> On Aug 12, 2013, at 02:24 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> >
> > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for now:
> >
> > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > * Merge procedure
> > * Release procedure
> > * Release preparation
> > * Test procedure
> > * Committer election process
> > * PMC election process
> > * Community guide
> > * Roadmap process
> > * Board reports
> > * Board report guide
> > * Code of conduct
> > * PMC charter
> > * By-laws
> > * Marketing guide
> > * CouchDB vision stuff
> >
> > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working on.
> > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
> > doesn't belong in the manual.
> >
> > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
> > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about
> 20
> > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
> > the page is still loading.
> >
> > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently, but
> > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get any
> > better.
> >
> > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not sure
> > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
> >
> > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that
> we
> > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
> wouldn't
> > move it over.)
> >
> > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
> proposed
> > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
> causing
> > me a lot of problems.
> >
> > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
> someone
> > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
A little later, but nevertheless +1, if things will be greener on the
other side and people are willing to help with the conversion :)
Cheers
Jan
--
On Aug 12, 2013, at 02:24 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
>
> However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for now:
>
> * Weekly news (not started yet)
> * Merge procedure
> * Release procedure
> * Release preparation
> * Test procedure
> * Committer election process
> * PMC election process
> * Community guide
> * Roadmap process
> * Board reports
> * Board report guide
> * Code of conduct
> * PMC charter
> * By-laws
> * Marketing guide
> * CouchDB vision stuff
>
> Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working on.
> Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
> doesn't belong in the manual.
>
> I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
> it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about 20
> seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
> the page is still loading.
>
> I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently, but
> it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get any
> better.
>
> For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not sure
> how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
>
> Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that we
> don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just wouldn't
> move it over.)
>
> If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the proposed
> move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is causing
> me a lot of problems.
>
> (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps someone
> else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>.
I would also prefer that the wiki run on free software; however if we had a
decent import/export feature I would be satisfied.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Like said Dave this has been discussed in may. I have no strong opinion on
> that. Apart the speed which is quite relative to the location where you
> live maybe we should also take in consideration the fact that moinmoin is
> quite more open than confluence is ie I don't need to ask a license (eve
> free) to use it. Also not sure about the syntax as well.
>
> Since we are using Jira also written by Atlassian that may not a problem
> though.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> - benoit
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
> >
> > However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for now:
> >
> > * Weekly news (not started yet)
> > * Merge procedure
> > * Release procedure
> > * Release preparation
> > * Test procedure
> > * Committer election process
> > * PMC election process
> > * Community guide
> > * Roadmap process
> > * Board reports
> > * Board report guide
> > * Code of conduct
> > * PMC charter
> > * By-laws
> > * Marketing guide
> > * CouchDB vision stuff
> >
> > Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working on.
> > Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
> > doesn't belong in the manual.
> >
> > I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
> > it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about
> 20
> > seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
> > the page is still loading.
> >
> > I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently, but
> > it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get any
> > better.
> >
> > For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not sure
> > how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
> >
> > Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that
> we
> > don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just
> wouldn't
> > move it over.)
> >
> > If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the
> proposed
> > move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is
> causing
> > me a lot of problems.
> >
> > (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps
> someone
> > else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
Like said Dave this has been discussed in may. I have no strong opinion on
that. Apart the speed which is quite relative to the location where you
live maybe we should also take in consideration the fact that moinmoin is
quite more open than confluence is ie I don't need to ask a license (eve
free) to use it. Also not sure about the syntax as well.
Since we are using Jira also written by Atlassian that may not a problem
though.
My 2 cents.
- benoit
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We're moving the docs to the source, which is great!
>
> However, we still have some stuff that we wanna keep on the wiki for now:
>
> * Weekly news (not started yet)
> * Merge procedure
> * Release procedure
> * Release preparation
> * Test procedure
> * Committer election process
> * PMC election process
> * Community guide
> * Roadmap process
> * Board reports
> * Board report guide
> * Code of conduct
> * PMC charter
> * By-laws
> * Marketing guide
> * CouchDB vision stuff
>
> Um. Probably more stuff. That's just stuff I am interested in working on.
> Anyway, this is all project-level stuff. Doesn't belong on the homepage,
> doesn't belong in the manual.
>
> I've been editing the wiki more and more recently, and I gotta tell you:
> it's a bag of shit. I mean really, I pressed "submit" on a change about 20
> seconds before sending this email, and I'm still writing this email, and
> the page is still loading.
>
> I dunno if any of you have had any experience with the wiki recently, but
> it's been this slow for months. And I am not confident it's gonna get any
> better.
>
> For that reason, I keep thinking about moving to Confluence. I'm not sure
> how much work is involved in that. Perhaps people wanna help out?
>
> Might be a nice opportunity to clear out the stuff that is in Moin, that we
> don't want there any more, because it's in the docs. (i.e. We just wouldn't
> move it over.)
>
> If you don't regularly edit the wiki, I'm hoping you wont mind the proposed
> move. As I say, as someone who is using it fairly regularly, it is causing
> me a lot of problems.
>
> (Though, I really don't need to be adding work to my plate. Perhaps someone
> else would be interested in moving the content over? Eugh.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>