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Posted to dev@ibatis.apache.org by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> on 2005/11/06 07:38:05 UTC
[VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Hi everyone:
== What? ==
I'm going to raise a vote and recommend to discontinue support for:
* iBATIS 1.x (including 2.0 compat package)
* All JDKs 1.3 and earlier (and therefore old JDBC versions)
* DTDs hosted by iBATIS.com
== Why? ==
I'm basing my recommendations on the following facts:
Only 3% of iBATIS users use iBATIS 1.x.
Only 13% of iBATIS users use JDK 1.3.1 or earlier
We serve up 1.4 million copies of our DTD every month from
ibatis.com....which is costing me money. :-)
Discontinuing support for these will allow us to move forward with more new
features and lighten the code up a bit.
== When? ==
iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature release)
JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature
release)
DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
To be proactive, pragmatic and practical, we will tag the SVN repository at
version 2.1.6 (next bug fix release). This version can then be branched if
necessary to fix any critical issues for those living in Bedrock.
== Who? ==
Would all PMC members please vote on the three items individually
( ) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version 2.2.0
( ) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of version 2.2.0
( ) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of November 30th, 2005.
Everyone else is free to comment. If you think your business will be
significantly impacted by this, please let us know.
Cheers,
Clinton
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Jeff Butler <je...@gmail.com>.
(+1) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version 2.2.0
(+1) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of version 2.2.0
(+1) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of November 30th, 2005.
Jeff Butler
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 11/6/05, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No. But deprecation is a language feature that has become untrusted
> anyway. I wouldn't let that stop me.
>
> I figure we'll depend on good old fashioned human communication, rather
> than compiler warning messages. ;-)
Any type of warning would have worked as well. I'm just of the opinion
that if we're following all the latest best practices for version x.1
of a product, it's reasonable to believe that our applications will
continue to work with x.2, and so on, so long as we keep up with the
advice communicated by the release notes.
But, if there is some technical reason why it should be removed now,
such as it doesn't work with JDK 1.4 and later, then that would seem
like cause enough.
-Ted.
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
No. But deprecation is a language feature that has become untrusted anyway.
I wouldn't let that stop me.
I figure we'll depend on good old fashioned human communication, rather than
compiler warning messages. ;-)
Cheers,
Clinton
On 11/6/05, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/6/05, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, support in this regard is "technical dependency", not "we don't
> talk
> > 'bout that no more".
> >
> > Technically, it means removing the "compatibility" library from the 2.0
> > distribution.
>
> Is the library deprecated as of the 2.1.5 release?
>
> -T.
>
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 11/6/05, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, support in this regard is "technical dependency", not "we don't talk
> 'bout that no more".
>
> Technically, it means removing the "compatibility" library from the 2.0
> distribution.
Is the library deprecated as of the 2.1.5 release?
-T.
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
Sorry, support in this regard is "technical dependency", not "we don't talk
'bout that no more".
Technically, it means removing the "compatibility" library from the
2.0distribution.
Clinton
On 11/6/05, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature release)
>
> What does "support ends" mean, exactly?
>
> > JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next
> feature
> > release)
>
> +0
>
> > DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
> > warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
>
> +0
>
>
> -Ted.
>
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
> iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature release)
What does "support ends" mean, exactly?
> JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature
> release)
+0
> DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
> warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
+0
-Ted.
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and
DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by netsql <ne...@roomity.com>.
Of course.. most of us point DTD in WEB-INF/lib or similar for many reasons.
.V
>
> That would be a very good idea, yes.
>> <!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
>> PUBLIC "-//ibatis.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
>> "http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
>>
> a question: will this change affect my web applications using ibatis
> (version 2.1.5)?
--
thx,
.V
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Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
That would be a very good idea, yes. You can test your own application in
your environment to see if it's accessing the network for the DTDs (i.e. if
you're using an XML parser that doesn't understand EntityResolvers). It
shouldn't actually stop any applications from running, but it may stop them
from starting, as DTDs are only loaded once at application startup time
(assuming you're not doing something out of the ordinary, like reloading SQL
Map files during runtime).
Cheers,
Clinton
On 11/7/05, Emiliano Armellin <ea...@ateikon.com> wrote:
>
> Clinton Begin ha scritto:
>
>
> Let's lose the capitalization in the domain of the public ID
>
> <!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
> PUBLIC "-//ibatis.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
> "http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
>
> a question: will this change affect my web applications using ibatis
> (version 2.1.5)?
> have I got to change all dtd declarations in my sql-map file and deploy
> them before 30 november?
>
> thanks
>
> --
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>
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Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and
DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Emiliano Armellin <ea...@ateikon.com>.
Clinton Begin ha scritto:
>
> Let's lose the capitalization in the domain of the public ID
>
> <!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
> PUBLIC "-//ibatis.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
> "http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
>
a question: will this change affect my web applications using ibatis
(version 2.1.5)?
have I got to change all dtd declarations in my sql-map file and deploy
them before 30 november?
thanks
--
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Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and
DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Ben Munat <be...@munat.com>.
Clinton Begin wrote:
>
> Let's lose the capitalization in the domain of the public ID
>
> <!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
> PUBLIC "-//ibatis.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
> "http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
>
Cool.
Y'all hear that? All hail the new sqlMap doctype declaration! :-)
b
PS: oh and as for killing support of the old stuff, +1... people really need to at least
get up to 1.4!!
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
Let's lose the capitalization in the domain of the public ID
<!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
PUBLIC "-//ibatis.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
"http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
On 11/6/05, Ben Munat <be...@munat.com> wrote:
>
> Clinton Begin wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the public id should change too...! Thanks.
> >
> Sorry to drag this out, but just to make sure... So, this is the correct
> new doctype
> declaration, right?:
>
> <!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
> PUBLIC "-//iBATIS.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
> "http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
>
> b
>
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and
DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Ben Munat <be...@munat.com>.
Clinton Begin wrote:
>
> Yes, the public id should change too...! Thanks.
>
Sorry to drag this out, but just to make sure... So, this is the correct new doctype
declaration, right?:
<!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
PUBLIC "-//iBATIS.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
"http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
b
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
Yes, the public id should change too...! Thanks.
Clinton
On 11/6/05, Ben Munat <be...@munat.com> wrote:
>
> Clinton Begin wrote:
> > DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
> > warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
> >
> > [1]
> http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
>
> Hey, are you changing the public ID as well? Since is says "iBATIS.com" in
> it, I would
> think so. But since that doesn't actually serve anything, I thought I
> should check.
>
> Oh, and you might want to post this change somewhere prominent on the
> website and change
> it in all the docs. I just search the site for a while before I noticed
> your link at the
> end of the email. At least two PDFs have the old doctype declaration, and
> I couldn't find
> any mention of the change anywhere on the site.
>
> b
>
>
> New dtd?:
>
> <!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
> PUBLIC "-//iBATIS.com//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
> "http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
>
> or
>
> <!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
> PUBLIC "-//iBATIS.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
> "http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and
DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Ben Munat <be...@munat.com>.
Clinton Begin wrote:
> DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
> warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
>
> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
Hey, are you changing the public ID as well? Since is says "iBATIS.com" in it, I would
think so. But since that doesn't actually serve anything, I thought I should check.
Oh, and you might want to post this change somewhere prominent on the website and change
it in all the docs. I just search the site for a while before I noticed your link at the
end of the email. At least two PDFs have the old doctype declaration, and I couldn't find
any mention of the change anywhere on the site.
b
New dtd?:
<!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
PUBLIC "-//iBATIS.com//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
"http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
or
<!DOCTYPE sqlMapConfig
PUBLIC "-//iBATIS.apache.org//DTD SQL Map Config 2.0//EN"
"http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/sql-map-config-2.dtd">
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Ron Grabowski <ro...@yahoo.com>.
Hrmmm, iBATIS is listed on the homepage of apache.org but not on this
page:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html
--- Paul Benedict <pa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Clinton,
>
> Why are you guys NOT listed on the Apache home page?
> You guys are like a stealth project, with a good
> following but no props. What's with that? :)
>
> Thanks!
> Paul
>
> --- Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > They're already on apache.org <http://apache.org>!
> >
> > http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Clinton
> >
> > On 11/6/05, Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I am not sure i understand: Will the iBATIS 1.x
> > DTDs remain where they
> > > are, go away (potentially a very, very bad thing),
> > or get moved to
> > > apache.org <http://apache.org>?
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/5/05, Clinton Begin
> > <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone:
> > > >
> > > > == What? ==
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to raise a vote and recommend to
> > discontinue support for:
> > > >
> > > > * iBATIS 1.x (including 2.0 compat package)
> > > > * All JDKs 1.3 and earlier (and therefore old
> > JDBC versions)
> > > > * DTDs hosted by iBATIS.com
> > > >
> > > > == Why? ==
> > > >
> > > > I'm basing my recommendations on the following
> > facts:
> > > >
> > > > Only 3% of iBATIS users use iBATIS 1.x.
> > > > Only 13% of iBATIS users use JDK 1.3.1 or
> > earlier
> > > > We serve up 1.4 million copies of our DTD every
> > month from
> > > > ibatis.com....which is costing me money. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Discontinuing support for these will allow us to
> > move forward with more
> > > new
> > > > features and lighten the code up a bit.
> > > >
> > > > == When? ==
> > > >
> > > > iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0
> > (next feature release)
> > > > JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of
> > version 2.2.0 (next
> > > feature
> > > > release)
> > > > DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November
> > 30th 2005 as per the
> > > > warning[1] that went out in September (90 days
> > notice).
> > > >
> > > > To be proactive, pragmatic and practical, we
> > will tag the SVN repository
> > > at
> > > > version 2.1.6 (next bug fix release). This
> > version can then be branched
> > > if
> > > > necessary to fix any critical issues for those
> > living in Bedrock.
> > > >
> > > > == Who? ==
> > > >
> > > > Would all PMC members please vote on the three
> > items individually
> > > >
> > > > ( ) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version
> > 2.2.0
> > > > ( ) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of
> > version 2.2.0
> > > > ( ) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of
> > November 30th, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > Everyone else is free to comment. If you think
> > your business will be
> > > > significantly impacted by this, please let us
> > know.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Clinton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Paul Benedict <pa...@yahoo.com>.
Clinton,
Why are you guys NOT listed on the Apache home page?
You guys are like a stealth project, with a good
following but no props. What's with that? :)
Thanks!
Paul
--- Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They're already on apache.org <http://apache.org>!
>
> http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/
>
> Cheers,
> Clinton
>
> On 11/6/05, Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure i understand: Will the iBATIS 1.x
> DTDs remain where they
> > are, go away (potentially a very, very bad thing),
> or get moved to
> > apache.org <http://apache.org>?
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> > On 11/5/05, Clinton Begin
> <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi everyone:
> > >
> > > == What? ==
> > >
> > > I'm going to raise a vote and recommend to
> discontinue support for:
> > >
> > > * iBATIS 1.x (including 2.0 compat package)
> > > * All JDKs 1.3 and earlier (and therefore old
> JDBC versions)
> > > * DTDs hosted by iBATIS.com
> > >
> > > == Why? ==
> > >
> > > I'm basing my recommendations on the following
> facts:
> > >
> > > Only 3% of iBATIS users use iBATIS 1.x.
> > > Only 13% of iBATIS users use JDK 1.3.1 or
> earlier
> > > We serve up 1.4 million copies of our DTD every
> month from
> > > ibatis.com....which is costing me money. :-)
> > >
> > > Discontinuing support for these will allow us to
> move forward with more
> > new
> > > features and lighten the code up a bit.
> > >
> > > == When? ==
> > >
> > > iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0
> (next feature release)
> > > JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of
> version 2.2.0 (next
> > feature
> > > release)
> > > DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November
> 30th 2005 as per the
> > > warning[1] that went out in September (90 days
> notice).
> > >
> > > To be proactive, pragmatic and practical, we
> will tag the SVN repository
> > at
> > > version 2.1.6 (next bug fix release). This
> version can then be branched
> > if
> > > necessary to fix any critical issues for those
> living in Bedrock.
> > >
> > > == Who? ==
> > >
> > > Would all PMC members please vote on the three
> items individually
> > >
> > > ( ) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version
> 2.2.0
> > > ( ) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of
> version 2.2.0
> > > ( ) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of
> November 30th, 2005.
> > >
> > > Everyone else is free to comment. If you think
> your business will be
> > > significantly impacted by this, please let us
> know.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Clinton
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
>
http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
They're already on apache.org <http://apache.org>!
http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/
Cheers,
Clinton
On 11/6/05, Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I am not sure i understand: Will the iBATIS 1.x DTDs remain where they
> are, go away (potentially a very, very bad thing), or get moved to
> apache.org <http://apache.org>?
>
> Larry
>
>
> On 11/5/05, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone:
> >
> > == What? ==
> >
> > I'm going to raise a vote and recommend to discontinue support for:
> >
> > * iBATIS 1.x (including 2.0 compat package)
> > * All JDKs 1.3 and earlier (and therefore old JDBC versions)
> > * DTDs hosted by iBATIS.com
> >
> > == Why? ==
> >
> > I'm basing my recommendations on the following facts:
> >
> > Only 3% of iBATIS users use iBATIS 1.x.
> > Only 13% of iBATIS users use JDK 1.3.1 or earlier
> > We serve up 1.4 million copies of our DTD every month from
> > ibatis.com....which is costing me money. :-)
> >
> > Discontinuing support for these will allow us to move forward with more
> new
> > features and lighten the code up a bit.
> >
> > == When? ==
> >
> > iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature release)
> > JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next
> feature
> > release)
> > DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
> > warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
> >
> > To be proactive, pragmatic and practical, we will tag the SVN repository
> at
> > version 2.1.6 (next bug fix release). This version can then be branched
> if
> > necessary to fix any critical issues for those living in Bedrock.
> >
> > == Who? ==
> >
> > Would all PMC members please vote on the three items individually
> >
> > ( ) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version 2.2.0
> > ( ) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of version 2.2.0
> > ( ) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of November 30th, 2005.
> >
> > Everyone else is free to comment. If you think your business will be
> > significantly impacted by this, please let us know.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Clinton
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
They're already on apache.org <http://apache.org>!
http://ibatis.apache.org/dtd/
Cheers,
Clinton
On 11/6/05, Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I am not sure i understand: Will the iBATIS 1.x DTDs remain where they
> are, go away (potentially a very, very bad thing), or get moved to
> apache.org <http://apache.org>?
>
> Larry
>
>
> On 11/5/05, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone:
> >
> > == What? ==
> >
> > I'm going to raise a vote and recommend to discontinue support for:
> >
> > * iBATIS 1.x (including 2.0 compat package)
> > * All JDKs 1.3 and earlier (and therefore old JDBC versions)
> > * DTDs hosted by iBATIS.com
> >
> > == Why? ==
> >
> > I'm basing my recommendations on the following facts:
> >
> > Only 3% of iBATIS users use iBATIS 1.x.
> > Only 13% of iBATIS users use JDK 1.3.1 or earlier
> > We serve up 1.4 million copies of our DTD every month from
> > ibatis.com....which is costing me money. :-)
> >
> > Discontinuing support for these will allow us to move forward with more
> new
> > features and lighten the code up a bit.
> >
> > == When? ==
> >
> > iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature release)
> > JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next
> feature
> > release)
> > DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
> > warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
> >
> > To be proactive, pragmatic and practical, we will tag the SVN repository
> at
> > version 2.1.6 (next bug fix release). This version can then be branched
> if
> > necessary to fix any critical issues for those living in Bedrock.
> >
> > == Who? ==
> >
> > Would all PMC members please vote on the three items individually
> >
> > ( ) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version 2.2.0
> > ( ) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of version 2.2.0
> > ( ) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of November 30th, 2005.
> >
> > Everyone else is free to comment. If you think your business will be
> > significantly impacted by this, please let us know.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Clinton
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org>.
I am not sure i understand: Will the iBATIS 1.x DTDs remain where they
are, go away (potentially a very, very bad thing), or get moved to
apache.org?
Larry
On 11/5/05, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone:
>
> == What? ==
>
> I'm going to raise a vote and recommend to discontinue support for:
>
> * iBATIS 1.x (including 2.0 compat package)
> * All JDKs 1.3 and earlier (and therefore old JDBC versions)
> * DTDs hosted by iBATIS.com
>
> == Why? ==
>
> I'm basing my recommendations on the following facts:
>
> Only 3% of iBATIS users use iBATIS 1.x.
> Only 13% of iBATIS users use JDK 1.3.1 or earlier
> We serve up 1.4 million copies of our DTD every month from
> ibatis.com....which is costing me money. :-)
>
> Discontinuing support for these will allow us to move forward with more new
> features and lighten the code up a bit.
>
> == When? ==
>
> iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature release)
> JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature
> release)
> DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
> warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
>
> To be proactive, pragmatic and practical, we will tag the SVN repository at
> version 2.1.6 (next bug fix release). This version can then be branched if
> necessary to fix any critical issues for those living in Bedrock.
>
> == Who? ==
>
> Would all PMC members please vote on the three items individually
>
> ( ) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version 2.2.0
> ( ) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of version 2.2.0
> ( ) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of November 30th, 2005.
>
> Everyone else is free to comment. If you think your business will be
> significantly impacted by this, please let us know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Clinton
>
>
> [1]
> http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org>.
I am not sure i understand: Will the iBATIS 1.x DTDs remain where they
are, go away (potentially a very, very bad thing), or get moved to
apache.org?
Larry
On 11/5/05, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone:
>
> == What? ==
>
> I'm going to raise a vote and recommend to discontinue support for:
>
> * iBATIS 1.x (including 2.0 compat package)
> * All JDKs 1.3 and earlier (and therefore old JDBC versions)
> * DTDs hosted by iBATIS.com
>
> == Why? ==
>
> I'm basing my recommendations on the following facts:
>
> Only 3% of iBATIS users use iBATIS 1.x.
> Only 13% of iBATIS users use JDK 1.3.1 or earlier
> We serve up 1.4 million copies of our DTD every month from
> ibatis.com....which is costing me money. :-)
>
> Discontinuing support for these will allow us to move forward with more new
> features and lighten the code up a bit.
>
> == When? ==
>
> iBATIS 1.x support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature release)
> JDK 1.3 and earlier versions support ends as of version 2.2.0 (next feature
> release)
> DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com removed by November 30th 2005 as per the
> warning[1] that went out in September (90 days notice).
>
> To be proactive, pragmatic and practical, we will tag the SVN repository at
> version 2.1.6 (next bug fix release). This version can then be branched if
> necessary to fix any critical issues for those living in Bedrock.
>
> == Who? ==
>
> Would all PMC members please vote on the three items individually
>
> ( ) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version 2.2.0
> ( ) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of version 2.2.0
> ( ) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of November 30th, 2005.
>
> Everyone else is free to comment. If you think your business will be
> significantly impacted by this, please let us know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Clinton
>
>
> [1]
> http://www.mail-archive.com/user-java@ibatis.apache.org/msg01333.html
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org>.
No fair, using Spock's word on a bunch of nerds. ;-)
(+1) iBATIS 1.x is unsupported as of version 2.2.0
(+1) JDK 1.3 and earlier are unsupported as of version 2.2.0
(+1) DTDs hosted at iBATIS.com are removed as of November 30th, 2005.
Larry
On 11/6/05, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with Vic.
>
> The beauty of a version control system, and good version control practices,
> is that we shouldn't be afraid to break out of our dependency shell.
>
> I've already tagged 2.1.6, so we can branch it any time. The next version
> going out will be 2.2.0, so there's even room for 3 more "official" versions
> (or more if we break the version convention).
>
> So...it's not like we're leaving the JDK 1.3 people out in the cold.
> Honestly, we've gone just about as far as we can with JDK 1.3.
>
> Dare I say: "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few?"
>
> Isn't it unfair to my loyal 87%, to stay on JDK 1.3?
>
> Cheers,
> Clinton
Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
I have to agree with Vic.
The beauty of a version control system, and good version control practices,
is that we shouldn't be afraid to break out of our dependency shell.
I've already tagged 2.1.6, so we can branch it any time. The next version
going out will be 2.2.0, so there's even room for 3 more "official" versions
(or more if we break the version convention).
So...it's not like we're leaving the JDK 1.3 people out in the cold.
Honestly, we've gone just about as far as we can with JDK 1.3.
Dare I say: "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few?"
Isn't it unfair to my loyal 87%, to stay on JDK 1.3?
Cheers,
Clinton
On 11/6/05, netsql <ne...@roomity.com> wrote:
>
> They can continue to use older versions of iBatis, it does not stop.
> iBatis is solid today, even 1.0 is solid.
> Also you have the source, so you can compile and fix as you see fit.
>
>
> .V
>
> Paul Benedict wrote:
> > I vote in favor for all except ending support for JDK
> > 1.3 - earlier versions fine, but 1.3 is important.
> > Wait until you go release 3.0 because major version
> > changes should be able to break backwards
> > compatibility in a major way, but not minor releases.
> > Suddenly switching between 2.1 and 2.3 I think is
> > really unfair to your loyal 13% customer base. My 2
> > cents.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and
DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by netsql <ne...@roomity.com>.
They can continue to use older versions of iBatis, it does not stop.
iBatis is solid today, even 1.0 is solid.
Also you have the source, so you can compile and fix as you see fit.
.V
Paul Benedict wrote:
> I vote in favor for all except ending support for JDK
> 1.3 - earlier versions fine, but 1.3 is important.
> Wait until you go release 3.0 because major version
> changes should be able to break backwards
> compatibility in a major way, but not minor releases.
> Suddenly switching between 2.1 and 2.3 I think is
> really unfair to your loyal 13% customer base. My 2
> cents.
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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>
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Re: [VOTE] Discontinue Support for: iBATIS Java 1.x, JDK 1.3 and DTDs at ibatis.com
Posted by Paul Benedict <pa...@yahoo.com>.
I vote in favor for all except ending support for JDK
1.3 - earlier versions fine, but 1.3 is important.
Wait until you go release 3.0 because major version
changes should be able to break backwards
compatibility in a major way, but not minor releases.
Suddenly switching between 2.1 and 2.3 I think is
really unfair to your loyal 13% customer base. My 2
cents.
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