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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by hepabolu <he...@gmail.com> on 2007/01/08 23:36:12 UTC

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

I'm just curious to know how things are progressing. Any news?

Bye, Helma

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Thien <th...@gmail.com>.
Yeap, I am working on the masthead, I will show you a few options soon. 
Thanks.

Thien

hepabolu wrote:
> I'm just curious to know how things are progressing. Any news?
>
> Bye, Helma
>


Re: Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> Isn't it possible to send in CCLA/ICLA documents as scanned documents 
> either? I remember some disucussions some months ago but don't know what 
> the outcome was. Does anybody know?

Yes. PDFs via signed email are accepted since May. See email from Justin on board:

   Please remember that CLAs can be filed
   electronically now.  You can send PGP/GPG-signed emails with the
   scanned PDFs of the signed CLA form to secretary@apache.org and
   legal-archive@apache.org.  This removes the need to fax or send
   physical mails of the CLA.


I wonder why regular signed email is not mentioned...

Vadim

Re: Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On 1/23/07, Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org> wrote:

> Isn't it possible to send in CCLA/ICLA documents as scanned documents either? I
> remember some disucussions some months ago but don't know what the outcome was.
> Does anybody know?

Not sure, but this is about the legal system catching up with advances
in technology...

There are quite a lot of this type of paper work we have to sort out
this week here at the office, so one more shouldn't be a problem.


Cheers
Niclas

Re: Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Monday 22 January 2007 19:06, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> 
>> And, as it was discussed recently on the Apache legal list, a design is a
>> copyrighted creation and if you haven't already provided, we need a license
>> agreement so that we are allowed to use it.
>>
>> Thien, the best option for this would be getting an ICLA
>> (http://apache.org/licenses/#clas) from you. Could you please go through
>> the text and if you haven't any questions send a signed ICLA to the Apache
>> Software Foundation? Otherwise just let us know what is unclear to you.
> 
> I guess I need to sign off a CCLA as well. We will do this, although logistics 
> are a bit troublesome (no fax), so it will probably be by snail mail. I'll 
> see what I can do about it.

Isn't it possible to send in CCLA/ICLA documents as scanned documents either? I 
remember some disucussions some months ago but don't know what the outcome was. 
Does anybody know?

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Re: Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Monday 22 January 2007 19:06, Reinhard Poetz wrote:

> And, as it was discussed recently on the Apache legal list, a design is a
> copyrighted creation and if you haven't already provided, we need a license
> agreement so that we are allowed to use it.
>
> Thien, the best option for this would be getting an ICLA
> (http://apache.org/licenses/#clas) from you. Could you please go through
> the text and if you haven't any questions send a signed ICLA to the Apache
> Software Foundation? Otherwise just let us know what is unclear to you.

I guess I need to sign off a CCLA as well. We will do this, although logistics 
are a bit troublesome (no fax), so it will probably be by snail mail. I'll 
see what I can do about it.


Cheers
Niclas

Re: [graphics] Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Thien <th...@gmail.com>.
>    At the upper right corner you can find the name of the current 
> documentation
>    unit.
I think you mean "upper left corner"
>  - we have a main menu containing "Cocoon Core", "Subprojects", Cocoon 
> Blocks"
>    and "Maven plugins". This has to appear on each and every page as 
> it is the
>    only way to jump between documentation units.
I just sent the template to Helma to show to everyone, looks like I need 
to change it before that.
>
>  - The homepage currently consists of the "getting started - getting 
> better -
>    getting involved" table, the news, an overview of the main versions 
> and
>    a general explanation of what Cocoon actually is. These pieces of
>    information should find their space in the new homepage design too. 
> IMO
>    the "Getting ..." table should be the eye-catcher number 1.
OK, I will do that.

I will do some changes and have Helma (thanks!!) to upload the html to 
show everyone, once the design can be confirmed, how do I go about 
patching it to the current design? Or should I just send the file to 
someone who has the right to do just that?


Thien


Re: [graphics] Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
hepabolu wrote:
> Steven Noels said the following on 31/1/07 10:13:
>> On 31 Jan 2007, at 07:51, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>>
>>> - Although I would like to have it, it is difficult for us to
>>>    maintain a "breadcrump navigation" like
>>>    Apache Cocoon > Cocoon Blocks > Cocoon Forms > [Introduction]
>>>    as we can't auto-generate them using existing (meta) data. As long 
>>> as we
>>>    don't have a good idea of how to do it, we should avoid having one.
>>
>> What's the (Daisy?) issue here? It sure is possible to have 
>> breadcrumbs + normal nav on one page - just a matter of processing the 
>> same navtree twice.
> 
> That's the caveat: if the page is not in the navtree, there is no 
> breadcrumb to be generated.
> 
> I'm working on it.


The problem is not Daisy specific but caused by the design of the export tool. 
Each artifact, that we produce, can have its own documentation. "Own 
documentation" means that it consists of one navigation tree document and 
documents that are linked from there.

For example, let's assume that we want to have a breadcrump navigation like
ASF > Apache Cocoon > Cocoon Blocks > Cocoon Forms > [Introduction]. When the 
"Introduction" document is exported, we have access to the document name 
"Introduction" and we know that it is part of the "Cocoon Forms" documentation. 
We also know that we are producing the "Apache Cocoon" documentation and that 
Cocoon is a "ASF" project.

What we *don't* know is that "Cocoon Forms" belongs to "Cocoon Blocks". I have 
to think more about how to pass the value "Cocoon Blocks" to the invoked Maven 
Daisy plugin without having to set the value in each and every plugin 
configuration.

[after reading my mail again before sending it] I think that having global 
properties in cocoon/trunk/pom.xml with the values "Cocoon Blocks", "Cocoon 
Core" etc. and using them in the Maven Daisy plugin configuration should be good 
enough.

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Re: [graphics] Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by hepabolu <he...@gmail.com>.
Steven Noels said the following on 31/1/07 10:13:
> On 31 Jan 2007, at 07:51, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> 
>> - Although I would like to have it, it is difficult for us to
>>    maintain a "breadcrump navigation" like
>>    Apache Cocoon > Cocoon Blocks > Cocoon Forms > [Introduction]
>>    as we can't auto-generate them using existing (meta) data. As long 
>> as we
>>    don't have a good idea of how to do it, we should avoid having one.
> 
> What's the (Daisy?) issue here? It sure is possible to have breadcrumbs 
> + normal nav on one page - just a matter of processing the same navtree 
> twice.

That's the caveat: if the page is not in the navtree, there is no 
breadcrumb to be generated.

I'm working on it.

Bye, Helma

Re: [graphics] Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On 31 Jan 2007, at 07:51, Reinhard Poetz wrote:

> - Although I would like to have it, it is difficult for us to
>    maintain a "breadcrump navigation" like
>    Apache Cocoon > Cocoon Blocks > Cocoon Forms > [Introduction]
>    as we can't auto-generate them using existing (meta) data. As  
> long as we
>    don't have a good idea of how to do it, we should avoid having one.

What's the (Daisy?) issue here? It sure is possible to have  
breadcrumbs + normal nav on one page - just a matter of processing  
the same navtree twice.

</Steven>
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Outerthought                              Open Source Java & XML
stevenn at outerthought.org                stevenn at apache.org



Re: [graphics] Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> Thien wrote:
>>
>>> Do you expect us picking one design and you continue from there?
>> I did a bit of vote counting, #2 and #3 are sharing the same amount of 
>> first choice votes but #3 is ahead overall (with second choice votes). 
>> What I'll do next is to improve #3 a little and we are good to 
>> implement it. Is that ok?
> 
> fine by me

Thien,

I'm not sure if anybody has pointed you yet to the new documentation which is in 
some ways different to what you can find at http://cocoon.apache.org. Have a 
look at http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/dev-docs/. Especially I want to draw your 
attention to following things:

  - Each deployment unit has its own consistent documentation, e.g.
    http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/dev-docs/core-modules/core/2.2/ or
    http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/dev-docs/blocks/forms/1.0/489_1_1.html

    At the upper right corner you can find the name of the current documentation
    unit.

  - we have a main menu containing "Cocoon Core", "Subprojects", Cocoon Blocks"
    and "Maven plugins". This has to appear on each and every page as it is the
    only way to jump between documentation units.

  - The homepage currently consists of the "getting started - getting better -
    getting involved" table, the news, an overview of the main versions and
    a general explanation of what Cocoon actually is. These pieces of
    information should find their space in the new homepage design too. IMO
    the "Getting ..." table should be the eye-catcher number 1.

  - The left-hand navigation can be up to 4 levels deep.

  - Although I would like to have it, it is difficult for us to
    maintain a "breadcrump navigation" like
    Apache Cocoon > Cocoon Blocks > Cocoon Forms > [Introduction]
    as we can't auto-generate them using existing (meta) data. As long as we
    don't have a good idea of how to do it, we should avoid having one.

If you have questions, don't hesistate to ask!

-- 
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{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}

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Re: [graphics] Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Thien wrote:
> 
>> Do you expect us picking one design and you continue from there?
> I did a bit of vote counting, #2 and #3 are sharing the same amount of 
> first choice votes but #3 is ahead overall (with second choice votes). 
> What I'll do next is to improve #3 a little and we are good to implement 
> it. Is that ok?

fine by me

>> Thien, the best option for this would be getting an ICLA 
>> (http://apache.org/licenses/#clas) from you. Could you please go 
>> through the text and if you haven't any questions send a signed ICLA 
>> to the Apache Software Foundation?
> Ok, I will do that.

thanks!

-- 
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{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}

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Re: [graphics] Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Thien <th...@gmail.com>.
> Do you expect us picking one design and you continue from there?
I did a bit of vote counting, #2 and #3 are sharing the same amount of 
first choice votes but #3 is ahead overall (with second choice votes). 
What I'll do next is to improve #3 a little and we are good to implement 
it. Is that ok?
> Thien, the best option for this would be getting an ICLA 
> (http://apache.org/licenses/#clas) from you. Could you please go 
> through the text and if you haven't any questions send a signed ICLA 
> to the Apache Software Foundation?
Ok, I will do that.


Cheers!
Thien


Artwork for cocoon.apache.org - next steps

Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
hepabolu wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Thien has kindly provided some awesome designs for the masthead. Thanks 
> Thien!
> 
> I've put them up at:
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/all.html
> 
> The 'all' page contains all designs at once for easy comparison, the top 
> line contains links to four identical mockups with one of the mastheads.
> 
> I'll share my opinions later to avoid immediate bias.

After the great feedback from the community we should define how to proceed from 
here. Thien, what do you expect from us next? Do you expect us picking one 
design and you continue from there?

                                         - o -

And, as it was discussed recently on the Apache legal list, a design is a 
copyrighted creation and if you haven't already provided, we need a license 
agreement so that we are allowed to use it.

Thien, the best option for this would be getting an ICLA 
(http://apache.org/licenses/#clas) from you. Could you please go through the 
text and if you haven't any questions send a signed ICLA to the Apache Software 
Foundation? Otherwise just let us know what is unclear to you. Thanks!

-- 
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{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}

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Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Peter Hunsberger <pe...@gmail.com>.
On 1/19/07, Thien <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Helma,
>
> A little explanation to the visuals.
>
> 1. Typical masthead design, the dark area has the word "cocoon" drawn in
> a Lego-like look .

I like this one a lot but the "cocoon" is hard to see on a color
matched monitor with the contrast and brightness correctly set, I
think you need to bump up the contrast.

> 2. Tried a few other colors, find that green match quite well with the
> logo's blue, here's a simple and nice layout, with a bit of Web2.0 touch

The green seems a bit too bright for me, I like the bottom blue area.
The bottom blue with the tag line might make a very good combination
if combined with the top bar from number 1.

> 3. Trying to describe the lightness and agility of cocoon with randomly
> positioned square that can be taken out or repositioned without
> affecting each other....ok, maybe not too obvious :D

Sort of neat, a little bit too pastel for me, maybe try it with
slightly bolder colors?  Where do you envision  the "Search" going on
this one?

> 4. Cocoon and nature, probably not the most appropriate association, but
> I wish this tells something about the framework's being easy and
> friendly to use.

Interesting, a little heavy on the left hand side, maybe the Cocoon
logo could move, or the hills and cluds could be more evenly
distributed?  It seems to take up maybe just a bit too much vertical
real estate.

> Some modifications need to be made to the left navigation to match the
> new masthead, once it has been chosen.

I've been critiquing this kind of stuff for too many years, so don't
take me too seriously, it seems to be a habit to nit pick this kinds
of stuff to death... Overall I've got to say that you've done some
really good work heref, I'm impressed.

-- 
Peter Hunsberger

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On 1/19/07, hepabolu <he...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ...Thien has kindly provided some awesome designs for the masthead. Thanks
> Thien!...

Thanks very much, my favorite is #4 (something in it makes me happy
;-) followed by #3.

-Bertrand

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Daniel Fagerstrom <da...@nada.kth.se>.
Great designs!

My first choice is #3 which looks really good and capture the soul of 
Cocoon well. #4 is really cool as well.

/Daniel

Thien skrev:
> Thanks Helma,
>
> A little explanation to the visuals.
>
> 1. Typical masthead design, the dark area has the word "cocoon" drawn 
> in a Lego-like look .
>
> 2. Tried a few other colors, find that green match quite well with the 
> logo's blue, here's a simple and nice layout, with a bit of Web2.0 touch
>
> 3. Trying to describe the lightness and agility of cocoon with 
> randomly positioned square that can be taken out or repositioned 
> without affecting each other....ok, maybe not too obvious :D
>
> 4. Cocoon and nature, probably not the most appropriate association, 
> but I wish this tells something about the framework's being easy and 
> friendly to use.
>
> Some modifications need to be made to the left navigation to match the 
> new masthead, once it has been chosen.
>
> Thien


Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Jeroen Reijn wrote:
> #3 and #4 would be my pick :-)

same here!

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Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Alfred Nathaniel <an...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 10:39 +0800, Thien wrote:

> No worries, it actually helps a lot :D I will improve the design
> further once a final one has been picked. (#2 or #3 so far.)

My favorite is #2.

Cheers, Alfred.


Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Thien <th...@gmail.com>.
Thanks everyone for the comment so far.

> #3 My first impression: the kitchen tiles of Mum's kitchen. ;-)
*Oops, now you remind me, though I didn't create this with that in mind :D
But I think it looks simple but unique at the same time.*
> #4 Although I like the lightness and the colors, I immediately got an 
> association with Windows XP's default theme, also dubbed here 
> "TeleTubby theme". If you could change the link to "nature" (after all 
> a 'cocoon' is a natural thing) to something different this one would 
> really stand out.
*+1. There probably isn't enough details going into the drawing.*
> I've been critiquing this kind of stuff for too many years, so don't
> take me too seriously, it seems to be a habit to nit pick this kinds
> of stuff to death...
*No worries, it actually helps a lot :D I will improve the design 
further once a final one has been picked. (#2 or #3 so far.)*
> The #2 design incorporating that text sort of elevates this phrase to 
> the level of a slogan, which I don't like. OTOH, I think /something/ 
> needs to go there :-).. the design now would, to my eye, look 
> incomplete without it! Some kind of text, but what?
*Yeah, I can change it.*

Cheers,
Thien

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Mark Lundquist <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 19, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Vadim Gritsenko wrote:

> Joerg Heinicke wrote:
>> On 19.01.2007 12:01, Jeroen Reijn wrote:
>>> wow great designs Thien! I really like 2-4.
>>> #3 has a nice touch with the 'blocks', but somehow #4 was the first 
>>> one that appealed to me. It's kind of playfull and dreamy. I really 
>>> like it.
>> It's a bit too dreamy IMO. :-) I prefer #2 and #3.
>
> Same here.
>
>>> Great job!
>> +1
>
> +1
>
> Vadim

Same here, I would say #2 is my favorite, followed by #3.

Really nice work Thien, thanks a lot!

Helma, your comments cracked me up... because #4 struck me as too 
cartoony, and I was also going to describe it as "like WinXP meets 
Teletubbies" :-) :-)

My only quibble about #2.... I have always disliked that phrase "web 
glue for your web application development needs".  Maybe I just don't 
have positive associations with glue; anyway, when I work with Cocoon 
it does not particularly feel like I am working with something gluey.  
The qualities of glueyness are not ones that one associates with a 
framework.  "Glue" IMHO doesn't harmonize well with the idea of 
"contracts", which Cocoon pushes a little bit (maybe not quite as much 
now as in the past, but IMHO that's a good thing).  The #2 design 
incorporating that text sort of elevates this phrase to the level of a 
slogan, which I don't like.  OTOH, I think something needs to go there 
:-).. the design now would, to my eye, look incomplete without it!  
Some kind of text, but what?

anyway, great stuff, thx again!
:-)

—ml—

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>.
Joerg Heinicke wrote:
> On 19.01.2007 12:01, Jeroen Reijn wrote:
> 
>> wow great designs Thien! I really like 2-4.
>> #3 has a nice touch with the 'blocks', but somehow #4 was the first 
>> one that appealed to me. It's kind of playfull and dreamy. I really 
>> like it.
> 
> It's a bit too dreamy IMO. :-) I prefer #2 and #3.

Same here.

>> Great job!
> 
> +1

+1

Vadim

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
On 19.01.2007 12:01, Jeroen Reijn wrote:

> wow great designs Thien! I really like 2-4.
> #3 has a nice touch with the 'blocks', but somehow #4 was the first one 
> that appealed to me. It's kind of playfull and dreamy. I really like it.

It's a bit too dreamy IMO. :-) I prefer #2 and #3.

> Great job!

+1

Jörg

PS: I'll be off for the next 5 weeks starting on Monday. I'll be on 
vacation in New Zealand - that's were I get dreamy :-)

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Jeroen Reijn <j....@hippo.nl>.
Hi Helma,

wow great designs Thien! I really like 2-4.
#3 has a nice touch with the 'blocks', but somehow #4 was the first one 
that appealed to me. It's kind of playfull and dreamy. I really like it.

#3 and #4 would be my pick :-)

Great job!

Regards,

Jeroen Reijn

hepabolu wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Thien has kindly provided some awesome designs for the masthead. Thanks 
> Thien!
> 
> I've put them up at:
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/all.html
> 
> The 'all' page contains all designs at once for easy comparison, the top 
> line contains links to four identical mockups with one of the mastheads.
> 
> I'll share my opinions later to avoid immediate bias.
> 
> Bye, Helma

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Friday 19 January 2007 20:35, hepabolu wrote:
> Let me first say, I think all are fabulously done and show off your skills.

And thanks for putting them into context. I reviewed this stuff earlier, 
without the full page, and I must say that the perception changed a bit.

My preference also lies in #2 or #3.

Cheers
Niclas

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by hepabolu <he...@gmail.com>.
Thien said the following on 19/1/07 11:56:
> A little explanation to the visuals.

Let me first say, I think all are fabulously done and show off your skills.

> 1. Typical masthead design, the dark area has the word "cocoon" drawn in 
> a Lego-like look.

To me this one felt like: "the old one but done better", nothing new 
under the sun.

> 2. Tried a few other colors, find that green match quite well with the 
> logo's blue, here's a simple and nice layout, with a bit of Web2.0 touch

I like this one, although there's something to be said for #4.

> 3. Trying to describe the lightness and agility of cocoon with randomly 
> positioned square that can be taken out or repositioned without 
> affecting each other....ok, maybe not too obvious :D

My first impression: the kitchen tiles of Mum's kitchen. ;-)

> 4. Cocoon and nature, probably not the most appropriate association, but 
> I wish this tells something about the framework's being easy and 
> friendly to use.

Although I like the lightness and the colors, I immediately got an 
association with Windows XP's default theme, also dubbed here "TeleTubby 
theme". If you could change the link to "nature" (after all a 'cocoon' 
is a natural thing) to something different this one would really stand out.

> Some modifications need to be made to the left navigation to match the 
> new masthead, once it has been chosen.

Sure, the individual pages are there just to give a better impression of 
how the masthead looks on an actual page.

I hope I was not too harsh. ;-)

Bye, Helma

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Jorg Heymans <jh...@apache.org>.
Thien wrote:

> 3. Trying to describe the lightness and agility of cocoon with randomly 
> positioned square that can be taken out or repositioned without 
> affecting each other....ok, maybe not too obvious :D

your intention was quite obvious to me here .. This design is my 
favourite mainly because the block metaphor will become increasingly 
apparent in next Cocoon versions.

Perhaps you could visualize the tiles differently, putting them more 
apart and somehow interconnect them with something, lines or *cough* 
tubes of some sort ? Or perhaps try to give the tiles a more 3d-ish look 
so they become more block alike ?

> 
> 4. Cocoon and nature, probably not the most appropriate association, but 
> I wish this tells something about the framework's being easy and 
> friendly to use.

well it immediately made me think of spring and consequently Spring, not 
a bad association at all IMO.


Thanks for the great work!

Jorg


Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Thien <th...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Helma,

A little explanation to the visuals.

1. Typical masthead design, the dark area has the word "cocoon" drawn in 
a Lego-like look .

2. Tried a few other colors, find that green match quite well with the 
logo's blue, here's a simple and nice layout, with a bit of Web2.0 touch

3. Trying to describe the lightness and agility of cocoon with randomly 
positioned square that can be taken out or repositioned without 
affecting each other....ok, maybe not too obvious :D

4. Cocoon and nature, probably not the most appropriate association, but 
I wish this tells something about the framework's being easy and 
friendly to use.

Some modifications need to be made to the left navigation to match the 
new masthead, once it has been chosen.

Thien

Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by Andrew Savory <an...@luminas.co.uk>.
Hi,

On 19 Jan 2007, at 10:41, hepabolu wrote:

> http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/all.html
>
> The 'all' page contains all designs at once for easy comparison,  
> the top line contains links to four identical mockups with one of  
> the mastheads.

#3 for me ... blocks blocks blocks! :-)

(And excellent work Thien, by the way.)



Thanks,

Andrew.
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Re: [graphics] Masthead artwork for cocoon.apache.org

Posted by hepabolu <he...@gmail.com>.
Hi everyone,

Thien has kindly provided some awesome designs for the masthead. Thanks 
Thien!

I've put them up at:

http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/all.html

The 'all' page contains all designs at once for easy comparison, the top 
line contains links to four identical mockups with one of the mastheads.

I'll share my opinions later to avoid immediate bias.

Bye, Helma