[jira] [Comment Edited] (ROL-2022) Add Categories, demote tags from gaurav theme

["Glen Mazza (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>]

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Glen Mazza edited comment on ROL-2022 at 7/16/14 4:38 PM:
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Hi Gaurav, would you mind converting Fauxcoly to Foundation for us?  Both in attracting committers and being viewed by the community as modern blogging software, it's best for us to be using the current popular tools.  Basically, all the bells and whistles of the gaurav theme, re-implement using Foundation on Fauxcoly.  Try to keep the physical design (colors, etc.) reasonably the same though (some bloggers don't care about the framework, it's just how the theme looks that is important to them, so having Fauxcoly look a little different from gaurav is still beneficial for us.)  

BTW, Dave did Fauxcoly back in 2009, here's some background about it:  http://rollerweblogger.org/roller/entry/more_about_the_theme , good to read to understand its architecture a little more.

To me, the marketing purpose of gaurav was to provide Bootstrap OOTB, while Fauxcoly would demonstrate YUI, so a blog customizer can start with the technology he likes and continue with it.  (If we have both using Bootstrap, there is little reason to retain both.)  But we're using next-to-nothing about YUI in fauxcoly (just some CSS width classes), and in my upgrades from YUI2 to YUI3, the latter is proving rather bloated and not good for CDN usage because you can't do SSL using CDN.   Looking at the various forums on StackOverflow and the UI tools' sites, the mailing list traffic is dominant on Bootstrap, quite heavy with Foundation but slow and slower with YUI.

We may in the future come up with another theme for YUI -- we are still using it within the application -- but we're using so little YUI in Fauxcoly right now you might as well convert it to Foundation.

I'm working the getPopularTags() issue, it looks like the macros were done wrong, it's not a backend problem.  I'll get it fixed soon.

To answer your specific question about the categories, it's not our fault if the user creates 400 categories and the blog looks lousy as a default.  We're not here to save them from poor designs, the theme would have to be customized by the blogger then.  Hopefully Foundation has a drop down like bootstrap, if not a traditional method of listing the categories on a horizontal line can be done.


was (Author: gmazza):
Hi Gaurav, would you mind converting Fauxcoly to Foundation for us?  Both in attracting committers and being viewed by the community as modern blogging software, it's best for us to be using the current popular tools.  Basically, all the bells and whistles of the gaurav theme, re-implement using Foundation on Fauxcoly.  Try to keep the physical design (colors, etc.) reasonably the same though (some bloggers don't care about the framework, it's just how the theme looks that is important to them, so having Fauxcoly look a little different from gaurav is still beneficial for us.)  

BTW, Dave did Fauxcoly back in 2009, here's some background about it:  http://rollerweblogger.org/roller/entry/more_about_the_theme , good to read to understand its architecture a little more.

To me, the marketing purpose of gaurav was to provide Bootstrap OOTB, while Fauxcoly would demonstrate YUI, so a blog customizer can start with the technology he likes and continue with it.  (If we have both using Bootstrap, there is little reason to retain both.)  But we're using next-to-nothing about YUI in fauxcoly (just some CSS width classes), and in my upgrades from YUI2 to YUI3, the latter is proving rather bloated and not good for CDN usage because you can't do SSL using CDN.   Looking at the various forums on StackOverflow and the UI tools' sites, the mailing list traffic is dominant on Bootstrap, quite heavy with Foundation but slow and slower with YUI.

We may in the future come up with another theme for YUI -- we are still using it within the application -- but we're using so little YUI in Fauxcoly right now you might as well convert it to Foundation.

I'm working the getPopularTags() issue, it looks like the macros were done wrong, it's not a backend problem.  I'll get it fixed soon.

To answer your specific question about the categories, it's not our fault if the user creates 400 categories and the blog looks lousy as a default.  We're not here to save them from a poor design, they'll have to update their own theme if that is his requirement.  Hopefully Foundation has a drop down like bootstrap, if not a traditional method of listing the categories on a horizontal line can be done.

> Add Categories, demote tags from gaurav theme
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>
>                 Key: ROL-2022
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ROL-2022
>             Project: Apache Roller
>          Issue Type: Task
>          Components: Themes and Macros
>    Affects Versions: 5.1
>            Reporter: Glen Mazza
>            Assignee: Gaurav Saini
>
> The gaurav theme shows a "hot tags" listing the top 30 tags, which doesn't look good if the blogger has just started out with a few blogs (or is not even using tags.)  Either remove the hot tags and put something else there, or only show the tags once a certain number has been used by the blog.
> Also, Roller provides weblog categories, add a category listing to the blog by default.  If the blogger doesn't use categories, he can get them removed from his copy of the theme.



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