Struts2 vs JSF

[Frans Thamura <fr...@meruvian.org>]

hi there

i am a webwork user, and now because WW become S2, so i am part of this
community, and honestly i am blank of S1 :)

and i got Matt's comparison here, and i think that will be awesome if we can
share it here.

I found that like it or not, JSF have a lot of promotion esp from Sun and
Oracle and RedHat/JBoss

they bet very big in JSF, and we know S2 is a different tech with S1, and we
see that most of the IDE not support S2, which we can find in S1 world, all
IDE = S1 IDE.


Several of fellow of Java here, try to move to JSF, and object S2, esp
because IDE integration.


anyone have idea of this JSF vs Struts2 discussion?


i have around 5-6 project and power of S2, under our opensource umbrella and
in several client, and we glad S2 is easy to learn, but i dont have a lot of
believe to compete with, i feel a small community in Java Web world.

can help guys? give me the believe.

Frans

Re: Struts2 vs JSF

[Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik <ni...@gmail.com>]

There was a pretty long conversation about this earlier [1]. Maybe you
can find some useful information there.

[1] - http://www.nabble.com/Is-Struts-still-a-better-choice-over-JSF-as-on-today---to11801750.html

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Frans Thamura <fr...@meruvian.org> wrote:
> hi there
>
>  i am a webwork user, and now because WW become S2, so i am part of this
>  community, and honestly i am blank of S1 :)
>
>  and i got Matt's comparison here, and i think that will be awesome if we can
>  share it here.
>
>  I found that like it or not, JSF have a lot of promotion esp from Sun and
>  Oracle and RedHat/JBoss
>
>  they bet very big in JSF, and we know S2 is a different tech with S1, and we
>  see that most of the IDE not support S2, which we can find in S1 world, all
>  IDE = S1 IDE.
>
>
>  Several of fellow of Java here, try to move to JSF, and object S2, esp
>  because IDE integration.
>
>
>  anyone have idea of this JSF vs Struts2 discussion?
>
>
>  i have around 5-6 project and power of S2, under our opensource umbrella and
>  in several client, and we glad S2 is easy to learn, but i dont have a lot of
>  believe to compete with, i feel a small community in Java Web world.
>
>  can help guys? give me the believe.
>
>  Frans
>

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Re: [friday] Re: Struts2 vs JSF

[Frans Thamura <fr...@meruvian.org>]

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Search for "Snatch fight" in youtube, and you will get a felling of
> what Struts 2 would do to JSF in a fight :)
>
>

cannot get it

Re: [friday] Re: Struts2 vs JSF

[Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com>]

--- Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Search for "Snatch fight" in youtube, and you will get a felling of
> what Struts 2 would do to JSF in a fight :)

I was *really* scared to see what that would bring up ("snatch", in the US,
is a somewhat derogatory term for... uh... female parts).

Turns out it was just a scene from the movie "Snatch", so it was all okay.

Dave


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[friday] Re: Struts2 vs JSF

[Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>]

Search for "Snatch fight" in youtube, and you will get a felling of
what Struts 2 would do to JSF in a fight :)

musachy

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Frans Thamura <fr...@meruvian.org> wrote:
> hi there
>
>  i am a webwork user, and now because WW become S2, so i am part of this
>  community, and honestly i am blank of S1 :)
>
>  and i got Matt's comparison here, and i think that will be awesome if we can
>  share it here.
>
>  I found that like it or not, JSF have a lot of promotion esp from Sun and
>  Oracle and RedHat/JBoss
>
>  they bet very big in JSF, and we know S2 is a different tech with S1, and we
>  see that most of the IDE not support S2, which we can find in S1 world, all
>  IDE = S1 IDE.
>
>
>  Several of fellow of Java here, try to move to JSF, and object S2, esp
>  because IDE integration.
>
>
>  anyone have idea of this JSF vs Struts2 discussion?
>
>
>  i have around 5-6 project and power of S2, under our opensource umbrella and
>  in several client, and we glad S2 is easy to learn, but i dont have a lot of
>  believe to compete with, i feel a small community in Java Web world.
>
>  can help guys? give me the believe.
>
>  Frans
>



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Re: [friday] Re: Struts2 vs JSF

[Ray Clough <ra...@allthisisthat.com>]

Yes, but only for those pages which use S2 view components.  We have some
pure S2 pages, also some pure JSF pages (but not with S2 Controller fcns),
also pure S1 pages, and all pages use Tiles.  Quite a complex deployment
descriptor, as you might imagine.

- Ray C.



mgainty wrote:
> 
> interesting ...can you implement ajax functionality such as theme='ajax'
> from dojo?
> 
> Martin-
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Clough" <ra...@allthisisthat.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [friday] Re: Struts2 vs JSF
> 
> 
> I have quite a lot of experience with S2 and JSF which I'd like to share.
> Although on many levels the technologies are different, we have managed to
> make them work together with profound benefits to each.
> 
> First a caveat:  our use of JSF as served from S2 is in a limited fashion.
> There are things we haven't tried because we haven't needed them.  There
> may
> be things which wouldn't work with this technique.  Our use is primarily
> as
> a reporting engine.  We use S2 to manage all the 'control' functions of
> the
> MVC cycle.  There are no beans or navigation rules in the faces-config
> file.
> We have produced a clear separation of the Model functionality from the
> Struts functions, with Struts merely retrieving the model objects and
> placing them into Session storage.  Then the model objects are queried
> from
> a JSP page, which causes the model to 'export' itself to JSF components.
> The model components have zero getters/setters, except a method
> 'getData()'
> which triggers the export process, and returns a jsf 'UIComponent'.  The
> export process consists of creating the JSF 'UIComponent' in code, very
> similarly to the way you'd make pages in Swing (assuming that you are not
> using a totally lame graphic page generator).  Then the completed
> component
> is rendered by a single jsf tag on the page.  Any submittals, which in JSF
> are to some funky url, are redirected by javascript to the correct S2 url.
> This was the main problem until we figured out how to fix it.
> 
> When I started designing the app I envisioned using standard JSP
> functionality to produce the pages, including the use of the S2 tags.
> However I really hated the S2 tags (I still believe that they are somewhat
> below horrible in the panoply of functionality).  A co-worker suggested
> working around this with JSF, and as a result the app is much stronger
> than
> I ever envisioned.
> 
> The app does not use the struts-jsf plugin, and also uses tiles, again not
> using the struts-tiles plugin.  We have found that the use of these
> plugins
> is really limiting, and we are much better off with independent
> installations of both these functions in our app.  It would be nice to
> have
> a good struts-jsf function, but my impression is that there is not much
> being done with the plugin lately (I could be wrong, of course).  As it
> works out, the configuration of all the services is quite demanding, but
> perfectly straightforward once you have figured things out.
> 
> In short, we have had excellent results with JSF with S2.  We use the JSF
> components from Trinidad, and they are first rate - with built in table
> sorting, paging, etc all using Ajax behind the scenes.  S2 is a superior
> 'Control' component, but not really great at 'View'.  With the proper
> approach, they are perfectly compatible.  (Too bad Shale seems moribund).
> 
> - Ray Clough
> ray@allthisisthat.com
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Newton" <ne...@yahoo.com>
>> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [friday] Re: Struts2 vs JSF
>> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:24:26 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>
>> --- Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Search for "Snatch fight" in youtube, and you will get a felling of
>> > what Struts 2 would do to JSF in a fight :)
>>
>> I was *really* scared to see what that would bring up ("snatch", in the
> US,
>> is a somewhat derogatory term for... uh... female parts).
>>
>> Turns out it was just a scene from the movie "Snatch", so it was all
>> okay.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
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> 
> - Ray Clough
> ray@allthisisthat.com
> 
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