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Posted to dev@training.apache.org by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> on 2023/03/13 14:45:27 UTC
[DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Hi all,
So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
What do you folks think?
Chris
Re: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>.
I'm favourable to your vision and the use of OKR to deliver results and
keep focus while doing it. I've some questions and contributions regarding
your latest contribution (*in the eventuality that the community adopts the
OKR methodology*) :
- O1 ✅
- O2 ✅
- O2-KR2 — we can brainstorm the tool to use (Trello, Confluence, Miro,
...).
- O3 & O4 seem to be outputs of O2, maybe we can let the community
identify and design next objectives (after O1 and O2).
Cheers.
*Alexis C. TADIFO*
📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 12:48, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Cool! Thanks Alex.
> This is a great hint - Using a Mindmap for OKR creation fits better to my
> brain, but I didn't see the tree within this forest.
>
> Regarding Christoph's Comment from yesterday:
>
> I think using the OKR framework allows us to create synergie, alignment,
> and target orientation within the project group.
> Especially for no-coding work which needs additional communication I see a
> huge benefit.
>
> Using the learnings from the past is essential. Hence, using very simple
> processes is a key success factor.
> I do not intent to rework existing processes if they work well - but
> focusing on the goals and the project contribution
> to other ASF projects is important if we want to grow the community also
> for non-developers.
> This is the key aspect for me - many training courses are done by people
> not so deeply in the coding world - but we want to
> bring those folks together so that knowledge sharing is as easy as coding
> together on shared projects.
>
> (extract from my vision for Apache Training)
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
>
>
>
> Am Mi., 12. Apr. 2023 um 18:29 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
> alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
>
> > Here's the link <https://mm.tt/map/2683478735?t=BwyF6YStrW>. Maybe
> > something prevent files to be shared through Dev list.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > *Alexis C. TADIFO*
> >
> > 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 11:57, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > Hi Alex,
> > >
> > > there is no attachment and no file in your email.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mirko
> > >
> > >
> > > Am Mi., 12. Apr. 2023 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
> > > alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > There's the file.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > *Alexis C. TADIFO*
> > > >
> > > > 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 02:59, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a
> > > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Alexis,
> > > >>
> > > >> the image you shared is not visible in my mail client.
> > > >>
> > > >> This is how it looks like:
> > > >> [image: image.png]
> > > >> Would you please try again?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Mirko
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
> > > >> alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hello Mirko,
> > > >>> I am Very delighted by your introduction of OKRs.
> > > >>> There it's a visual transcription of your contribution.
> > > >>> [image: ApacheTraining — Mirko.png]
> > > >>> Cheers.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> *Alexis C. TADIFO*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Le mar. 11 avr. 2023 à 12:42, Christofer Dutz <
> > > christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
> > > >>> a écrit :
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi Mirko,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Well, I remember that when we started training, we had quite some
> > > >>>> momentum, but when we put up too many rules, that killed the buzz.
> > > >>>> So, we moved to the total opposite (giving anyone with Apache
> commit
> > > >>>> rights in any project, to also have commit rights here).
> > > Unfortuantely we
> > > >>>> never managed to get the drive back. So not 100% sure, if we
> > > concentrated
> > > >>>> on OKRs, still someone would have to do the work. So not quite
> sure
> > > how
> > > >>>> OKRs would help here?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thing is, we need to get the community engaged again ... but
> > community
> > > >>>> building is hard work (harder than coding) ... guess we’d need
> > people
> > > >>>> willing to put in the effort.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Chris
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>> Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 16:58
> > > >>>> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > > >>>> Betreff: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
> > > >>>> Hey,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I
> > > suggest
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>> start using OKRs.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically
> > work I
> > > >>>> decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes
> > > things
> > > >>>> easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I added my first OKR draft to this email.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>> Mirko
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
> > > >>>> colaboration on training material.
> > > >>>> KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify
> > > issues
> > > >>>> and
> > > >>>> prep next steps.
> > > >>>> KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related
> events.
> > > >>>> KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content
> > > contribution.
> > > >>>> O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
> > > >>>> KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which
> > > describes
> > > >>>> how
> > > >>>> he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal
> > > >>>> contributions.
> > > >>>> KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to
> create
> > a
> > > >>>> project vision board.
> > > >>>> KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's
> > > vision
> > > >>>> and
> > > >>>> its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
> > > >>>> O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache
> projects.
> > > >>>> KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting
> > information
> > > >>>> about
> > > >>>> other projects and how they see Apache Training.
> > > >>>> KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
> > > >>>> KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
> > > >>>> interview results.
> > > >>>> KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
> > > >>>> O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact
> > creation.
> > > >>>> KR1 We have a template for presentations.
> > > >>>> KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> > > >> Müchelner Str. 23
> > > >> 06259 Frankleben
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> > > Müchelner Str. 23
> > > 06259 Frankleben
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> Müchelner Str. 23
> 06259 Frankleben
>
Re: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Cool! Thanks Alex.
This is a great hint - Using a Mindmap for OKR creation fits better to my
brain, but I didn't see the tree within this forest.
Regarding Christoph's Comment from yesterday:
I think using the OKR framework allows us to create synergie, alignment,
and target orientation within the project group.
Especially for no-coding work which needs additional communication I see a
huge benefit.
Using the learnings from the past is essential. Hence, using very simple
processes is a key success factor.
I do not intent to rework existing processes if they work well - but
focusing on the goals and the project contribution
to other ASF projects is important if we want to grow the community also
for non-developers.
This is the key aspect for me - many training courses are done by people
not so deeply in the coding world - but we want to
bring those folks together so that knowledge sharing is as easy as coding
together on shared projects.
(extract from my vision for Apache Training)
Cheers,
Mirko
Am Mi., 12. Apr. 2023 um 18:29 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
> Here's the link <https://mm.tt/map/2683478735?t=BwyF6YStrW>. Maybe
> something prevent files to be shared through Dev list.
>
> Cheers.
>
> *Alexis C. TADIFO*
>
> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
>
>
> Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 11:57, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > there is no attachment and no file in your email.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mirko
> >
> >
> > Am Mi., 12. Apr. 2023 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
> > alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > There's the file.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > *Alexis C. TADIFO*
> > >
> > > 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> > >
> > >
> > > Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 02:59, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a
> > > écrit :
> > >
> > >> Hi Alexis,
> > >>
> > >> the image you shared is not visible in my mail client.
> > >>
> > >> This is how it looks like:
> > >> [image: image.png]
> > >> Would you please try again?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Mirko
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
> > >> alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello Mirko,
> > >>> I am Very delighted by your introduction of OKRs.
> > >>> There it's a visual transcription of your contribution.
> > >>> [image: ApacheTraining — Mirko.png]
> > >>> Cheers.
> > >>>
> > >>> *Alexis C. TADIFO*
> > >>>
> > >>> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Le mar. 11 avr. 2023 à 12:42, Christofer Dutz <
> > christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
> > >>> a écrit :
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Mirko,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well, I remember that when we started training, we had quite some
> > >>>> momentum, but when we put up too many rules, that killed the buzz.
> > >>>> So, we moved to the total opposite (giving anyone with Apache commit
> > >>>> rights in any project, to also have commit rights here).
> > Unfortuantely we
> > >>>> never managed to get the drive back. So not 100% sure, if we
> > concentrated
> > >>>> on OKRs, still someone would have to do the work. So not quite sure
> > how
> > >>>> OKRs would help here?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thing is, we need to get the community engaged again ... but
> community
> > >>>> building is hard work (harder than coding) ... guess we’d need
> people
> > >>>> willing to put in the effort.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Chris
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> > >>>> Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 16:58
> > >>>> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > >>>> Betreff: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
> > >>>> Hey,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I
> > suggest
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> start using OKRs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically
> work I
> > >>>> decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes
> > things
> > >>>> easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I added my first OKR draft to this email.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please let me know what you think.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Mirko
> > >>>>
> > >>>> O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
> > >>>> colaboration on training material.
> > >>>> KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify
> > issues
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> prep next steps.
> > >>>> KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related events.
> > >>>> KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content
> > contribution.
> > >>>> O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
> > >>>> KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which
> > describes
> > >>>> how
> > >>>> he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal
> > >>>> contributions.
> > >>>> KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to create
> a
> > >>>> project vision board.
> > >>>> KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's
> > vision
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
> > >>>> O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache projects.
> > >>>> KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting
> information
> > >>>> about
> > >>>> other projects and how they see Apache Training.
> > >>>> KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
> > >>>> KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
> > >>>> interview results.
> > >>>> KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
> > >>>> O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact
> creation.
> > >>>> KR1 We have a template for presentations.
> > >>>> KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> > >> Müchelner Str. 23
> > >> 06259 Frankleben
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> > Müchelner Str. 23
> > 06259 Frankleben
> >
>
--
Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
Müchelner Str. 23
06259 Frankleben
Re: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>.
Here's the link <https://mm.tt/map/2683478735?t=BwyF6YStrW>. Maybe
something prevent files to be shared through Dev list.
Cheers.
*Alexis C. TADIFO*
📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 11:57, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi Alex,
>
> there is no attachment and no file in your email.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
>
> Am Mi., 12. Apr. 2023 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
> alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
>
> > There's the file.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > *Alexis C. TADIFO*
> >
> > 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 02:59, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a
> > écrit :
> >
> >> Hi Alexis,
> >>
> >> the image you shared is not visible in my mail client.
> >>
> >> This is how it looks like:
> >> [image: image.png]
> >> Would you please try again?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Mirko
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
> >> alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> Hello Mirko,
> >>> I am Very delighted by your introduction of OKRs.
> >>> There it's a visual transcription of your contribution.
> >>> [image: ApacheTraining — Mirko.png]
> >>> Cheers.
> >>>
> >>> *Alexis C. TADIFO*
> >>>
> >>> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le mar. 11 avr. 2023 à 12:42, Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
> >>> a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Mirko,
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I remember that when we started training, we had quite some
> >>>> momentum, but when we put up too many rules, that killed the buzz.
> >>>> So, we moved to the total opposite (giving anyone with Apache commit
> >>>> rights in any project, to also have commit rights here).
> Unfortuantely we
> >>>> never managed to get the drive back. So not 100% sure, if we
> concentrated
> >>>> on OKRs, still someone would have to do the work. So not quite sure
> how
> >>>> OKRs would help here?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thing is, we need to get the community engaged again ... but community
> >>>> building is hard work (harder than coding) ... guess we’d need people
> >>>> willing to put in the effort.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> >>>> Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 16:58
> >>>> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> >>>> Betreff: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
> >>>> Hey,
> >>>>
> >>>> In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I
> suggest
> >>>> to
> >>>> start using OKRs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically work I
> >>>> decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes
> things
> >>>> easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> I added my first OKR draft to this email.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please let me know what you think.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Mirko
> >>>>
> >>>> O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
> >>>> colaboration on training material.
> >>>> KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify
> issues
> >>>> and
> >>>> prep next steps.
> >>>> KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related events.
> >>>> KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content
> contribution.
> >>>> O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
> >>>> KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which
> describes
> >>>> how
> >>>> he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal
> >>>> contributions.
> >>>> KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to create a
> >>>> project vision board.
> >>>> KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's
> vision
> >>>> and
> >>>> its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
> >>>> O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache projects.
> >>>> KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting information
> >>>> about
> >>>> other projects and how they see Apache Training.
> >>>> KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
> >>>> KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
> >>>> interview results.
> >>>> KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
> >>>> O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact creation.
> >>>> KR1 We have a template for presentations.
> >>>> KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> >> Müchelner Str. 23
> >> 06259 Frankleben
> >>
> >>
>
> --
>
> Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> Müchelner Str. 23
> 06259 Frankleben
>
Re: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Alex,
there is no attachment and no file in your email.
Cheers,
Mirko
Am Mi., 12. Apr. 2023 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
> There's the file.
>
> Cheers.
>
> *Alexis C. TADIFO*
>
> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
>
>
> Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 02:59, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> Hi Alexis,
>>
>> the image you shared is not visible in my mail client.
>>
>> This is how it looks like:
>> [image: image.png]
>> Would you please try again?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mirko
>>
>>
>>
>> Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
>> alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hello Mirko,
>>> I am Very delighted by your introduction of OKRs.
>>> There it's a visual transcription of your contribution.
>>> [image: ApacheTraining — Mirko.png]
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> *Alexis C. TADIFO*
>>>
>>> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
>>>
>>>
>>> Le mar. 11 avr. 2023 à 12:42, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
>>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hi Mirko,
>>>>
>>>> Well, I remember that when we started training, we had quite some
>>>> momentum, but when we put up too many rules, that killed the buzz.
>>>> So, we moved to the total opposite (giving anyone with Apache commit
>>>> rights in any project, to also have commit rights here). Unfortuantely we
>>>> never managed to get the drive back. So not 100% sure, if we concentrated
>>>> on OKRs, still someone would have to do the work. So not quite sure how
>>>> OKRs would help here?
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, we need to get the community engaged again ... but community
>>>> building is hard work (harder than coding) ... guess we’d need people
>>>> willing to put in the effort.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
>>>> Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 16:58
>>>> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
>>>> Betreff: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I suggest
>>>> to
>>>> start using OKRs.
>>>>
>>>> Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically work I
>>>> decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes things
>>>> easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
>>>>
>>>> I added my first OKR draft to this email.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mirko
>>>>
>>>> O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
>>>> colaboration on training material.
>>>> KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify issues
>>>> and
>>>> prep next steps.
>>>> KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related events.
>>>> KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content contribution.
>>>> O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
>>>> KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which describes
>>>> how
>>>> he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal
>>>> contributions.
>>>> KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to create a
>>>> project vision board.
>>>> KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's vision
>>>> and
>>>> its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
>>>> O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache projects.
>>>> KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting information
>>>> about
>>>> other projects and how they see Apache Training.
>>>> KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
>>>> KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
>>>> interview results.
>>>> KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
>>>> O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact creation.
>>>> KR1 We have a template for presentations.
>>>> KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
>> Müchelner Str. 23
>> 06259 Frankleben
>>
>>
--
Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
Müchelner Str. 23
06259 Frankleben
Re: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>.
There's the file.
Cheers.
*Alexis C. TADIFO*
📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
Le mer. 12 avr. 2023 à 02:59, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi Alexis,
>
> the image you shared is not visible in my mail client.
>
> This is how it looks like:
> [image: image.png]
> Would you please try again?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
>
>
> Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
> alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello Mirko,
>> I am Very delighted by your introduction of OKRs.
>> There it's a visual transcription of your contribution.
>> [image: ApacheTraining — Mirko.png]
>> Cheers.
>>
>> *Alexis C. TADIFO*
>>
>> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
>>
>>
>> Le mar. 11 avr. 2023 à 12:42, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Mirko,
>>>
>>> Well, I remember that when we started training, we had quite some
>>> momentum, but when we put up too many rules, that killed the buzz.
>>> So, we moved to the total opposite (giving anyone with Apache commit
>>> rights in any project, to also have commit rights here). Unfortuantely we
>>> never managed to get the drive back. So not 100% sure, if we concentrated
>>> on OKRs, still someone would have to do the work. So not quite sure how
>>> OKRs would help here?
>>>
>>> Thing is, we need to get the community engaged again ... but community
>>> building is hard work (harder than coding) ... guess we’d need people
>>> willing to put in the effort.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
>>> Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 16:58
>>> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
>>> Betreff: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I suggest
>>> to
>>> start using OKRs.
>>>
>>> Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically work I
>>> decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes things
>>> easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
>>>
>>> I added my first OKR draft to this email.
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mirko
>>>
>>> O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
>>> colaboration on training material.
>>> KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify issues
>>> and
>>> prep next steps.
>>> KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related events.
>>> KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content contribution.
>>> O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
>>> KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which describes
>>> how
>>> he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal
>>> contributions.
>>> KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to create a
>>> project vision board.
>>> KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's vision
>>> and
>>> its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
>>> O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache projects.
>>> KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting information
>>> about
>>> other projects and how they see Apache Training.
>>> KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
>>> KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
>>> interview results.
>>> KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
>>> O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact creation.
>>> KR1 We have a template for presentations.
>>> KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
>>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> Müchelner Str. 23
> 06259 Frankleben
>
>
Re: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Alexis,
the image you shared is not visible in my mail client.
This is how it looks like:
[image: image.png]
Would you please try again?
Thanks.
Cheers,
Mirko
Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Alexis TADIFO <
alexis.tadifo@gmail.com>:
> Hello Mirko,
> I am Very delighted by your introduction of OKRs.
> There it's a visual transcription of your contribution.
> [image: ApacheTraining — Mirko.png]
> Cheers.
>
> *Alexis C. TADIFO*
>
> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
>
>
> Le mar. 11 avr. 2023 à 12:42, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> a écrit :
>
>> Hi Mirko,
>>
>> Well, I remember that when we started training, we had quite some
>> momentum, but when we put up too many rules, that killed the buzz.
>> So, we moved to the total opposite (giving anyone with Apache commit
>> rights in any project, to also have commit rights here). Unfortuantely we
>> never managed to get the drive back. So not 100% sure, if we concentrated
>> on OKRs, still someone would have to do the work. So not quite sure how
>> OKRs would help here?
>>
>> Thing is, we need to get the community engaged again ... but community
>> building is hard work (harder than coding) ... guess we’d need people
>> willing to put in the effort.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
>> Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 16:58
>> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
>> Betreff: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
>> Hey,
>>
>> In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I suggest to
>> start using OKRs.
>>
>> Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically work I
>> decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes things
>> easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
>>
>> I added my first OKR draft to this email.
>>
>> Please let me know what you think.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mirko
>>
>> O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
>> colaboration on training material.
>> KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify issues
>> and
>> prep next steps.
>> KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related events.
>> KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content contribution.
>> O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
>> KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which describes
>> how
>> he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal contributions.
>> KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to create a
>> project vision board.
>> KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's vision
>> and
>> its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
>> O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache projects.
>> KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting information
>> about
>> other projects and how they see Apache Training.
>> KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
>> KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
>> interview results.
>> KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
>> O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact creation.
>> KR1 We have a template for presentations.
>> KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
>>
>
--
Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
Müchelner Str. 23
06259 Frankleben
Re: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>.
Hello Mirko,
I am Very delighted by your introduction of OKRs.
There it's a visual transcription of your contribution.
[image: ApacheTraining — Mirko.png]
Cheers.
*Alexis C. TADIFO*
📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
Le mar. 11 avr. 2023 à 12:42, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> a
écrit :
> Hi Mirko,
>
> Well, I remember that when we started training, we had quite some
> momentum, but when we put up too many rules, that killed the buzz.
> So, we moved to the total opposite (giving anyone with Apache commit
> rights in any project, to also have commit rights here). Unfortuantely we
> never managed to get the drive back. So not 100% sure, if we concentrated
> on OKRs, still someone would have to do the work. So not quite sure how
> OKRs would help here?
>
> Thing is, we need to get the community engaged again ... but community
> building is hard work (harder than coding) ... guess we’d need people
> willing to put in the effort.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 16:58
> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Betreff: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
> Hey,
>
> In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I suggest to
> start using OKRs.
>
> Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically work I
> decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes things
> easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
>
> I added my first OKR draft to this email.
>
> Please let me know what you think.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
> colaboration on training material.
> KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify issues and
> prep next steps.
> KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related events.
> KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content contribution.
> O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
> KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which describes how
> he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal contributions.
> KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to create a
> project vision board.
> KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's vision and
> its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
> O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache projects.
> KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting information about
> other projects and how they see Apache Training.
> KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
> KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
> interview results.
> KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
> O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact creation.
> KR1 We have a template for presentations.
> KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
>
AW: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Mirko,
Well, I remember that when we started training, we had quite some momentum, but when we put up too many rules, that killed the buzz.
So, we moved to the total opposite (giving anyone with Apache commit rights in any project, to also have commit rights here). Unfortuantely we never managed to get the drive back. So not 100% sure, if we concentrated on OKRs, still someone would have to do the work. So not quite sure how OKRs would help here?
Thing is, we need to get the community engaged again ... but community building is hard work (harder than coding) ... guess we’d need people willing to put in the effort.
Chris
Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 16:58
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Hey,
In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I suggest to
start using OKRs.
Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically work I
decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes things
easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
I added my first OKR draft to this email.
Please let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Mirko
O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
colaboration on training material.
KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify issues and
prep next steps.
KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related events.
KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content contribution.
O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which describes how
he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal contributions.
KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to create a
project vision board.
KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's vision and
its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache projects.
KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting information about
other projects and how they see Apache Training.
KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
interview results.
KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact creation.
KR1 We have a template for presentations.
KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
OKRs for Apache Training - Proposal
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hey,
In order to bring some more energy and focus into the project I suggest to
start using OKRs.
Since I am not sure if this is a way how ASF projects typically work I
decided to give it a try. At least on my personal level it makes things
easier, so I thought, for others it could work as well.
I added my first OKR draft to this email.
Please let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Mirko
O1 We improve community participation to get ready for continuous
colaboration on training material.
KR1 We conducted a monthly session (30 min, recorded) to clarify issues and
prep next steps.
KR2 We have selected an approach to manage community related events.
KR3 We have documented and used a slim process for content contribution.
O2 We work continuously on our strategy.
KR1 Each contributor has shared its own vision document which describes how
he envisions the future of Apache Training and his personal contributions.
KR2 We have conducted a brain-storming session using MIRO to create a
project vision board.
KR3 We have integrated all contributions regarding the project's vision and
its future strategy and updated the webpage accordingly.
O3 We actively integrate our activities with other Apache projects.
KR1 We have a standardized interview sheet for collecting information about
other projects and how they see Apache Training.
KR2 We have interviewed members of 5 ASF projects.
KR3 We extracted our learnings about next collaboration steps from
interview results.
KR4 We have published our findings in a blog.
O4 We provide a standardized approach for training artefact creation.
KR1 We have a template for presentations.
KR2 We have a template for tutorials / workshop sessions
AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi All,
yeah … I agree … for some time I took care of this, but I wasn’t planning on doing everything on my own … so I’m happy to provide the work on the tooling (Updating the tooling, addressing issues with it, helping with setting up things and making sure the build infrastructure works as we want it it).
But I wouldn’t be willing to do the paperwork too.
Chris
Von: Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
Datum: Freitag, 30. Juni 2023 um 13:12
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Christofer Dutz wrote on 6/30/23 6:29 AM:
> Well continuing would mean that we file the incubator reports on time.
> If we do that, I’m fine with continuing. If we don’t, well … guess then it’s time to retire.
Thinking forward to ASF project (i.e. after graduation) expectations,
the board needs to see three PMC members who can be active enough to
make reports and respond to security issues. So it sounds like you're
fine to continue now, as long as Incubator reports get in.
...
> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
...
> *The Apache Training project uses automated data analysis to check (some
> of) the criteria mentioned above.*Using the source code repository as a
> starting point we will investigate the documentation corpus and make it
> accessible for
> a chat based interaction => Apply ChatGPT to the repo for contextual search.
> We can generate a report from the repository which will be "reported to" or
> "exposed via" Apache Training project. => We have to define in which form.
> First proposal: generated ADOC files in the github repository would be fine
> for an inventory.
Interesting - so you're saying part of the code Training would produce
is repo analysis of "what documentation/useful human content" does each
ASF project have, and how can we quantify "how useful" some doc is?
That could be useful, even if it's slightly different than the concept
of "providing easy tools to make training courses".
A few comments on this:
- There are no ASF policies on specific documentation, so anything you
suggest would be a best practice, not a requirement for other projects.
- There are several non-ASF projects that are doing interesting work in
the auto-discovery and analytics of codebases, it might be worth seeing
some of their techniques (or maybe their code) in terms of how they
crawl repos and the like:
https://chaoss.community/
https://chaoss.github.io/grimoirelab/
https://bitergia.com/
While they focus on higher level analytics, I bet (eventually, someday)
they'd also be interested in scanners for README quality and formatting
and the like.
Personally, my time is limited thru October, but I hope to have more
volunteer time after that. I hope the podling stays around, the concept
of making coder-friendly ways to easily re-use training content is
important for the whole ecosystem.
--
- Shane
Member
The Apache Software Foundation
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Christofer Dutz wrote on 6/30/23 6:29 AM:
> Well continuing would mean that we file the incubator reports on time.
> If we do that, I’m fine with continuing. If we don’t, well … guess then it’s time to retire.
Thinking forward to ASF project (i.e. after graduation) expectations,
the board needs to see three PMC members who can be active enough to
make reports and respond to security issues. So it sounds like you're
fine to continue now, as long as Incubator reports get in.
...
> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
...
> *The Apache Training project uses automated data analysis to check (some
> of) the criteria mentioned above.*Using the source code repository as a
> starting point we will investigate the documentation corpus and make it
> accessible for
> a chat based interaction => Apply ChatGPT to the repo for contextual search.
> We can generate a report from the repository which will be "reported to" or
> "exposed via" Apache Training project. => We have to define in which form.
> First proposal: generated ADOC files in the github repository would be fine
> for an inventory.
Interesting - so you're saying part of the code Training would produce
is repo analysis of "what documentation/useful human content" does each
ASF project have, and how can we quantify "how useful" some doc is?
That could be useful, even if it's slightly different than the concept
of "providing easy tools to make training courses".
A few comments on this:
- There are no ASF policies on specific documentation, so anything you
suggest would be a best practice, not a requirement for other projects.
- There are several non-ASF projects that are doing interesting work in
the auto-discovery and analytics of codebases, it might be worth seeing
some of their techniques (or maybe their code) in terms of how they
crawl repos and the like:
https://chaoss.community/
https://chaoss.github.io/grimoirelab/
https://bitergia.com/
While they focus on higher level analytics, I bet (eventually, someday)
they'd also be interested in scanners for README quality and formatting
and the like.
Personally, my time is limited thru October, but I hope to have more
volunteer time after that. I hope the podling stays around, the concept
of making coder-friendly ways to easily re-use training content is
important for the whole ecosystem.
--
- Shane
Member
The Apache Software Foundation
AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Well continuing would mean that we file the incubator reports on time.
If we do that, I’m fine with continuing. If we don’t, well … guess then it’s time to retire.
Chris
Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
Datum: Freitag, 30. Juni 2023 um 11:37
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>, Eric Tessenow <er...@gmail.com>, thomas.thephasdin@ecolytiq.com <th...@ecolytiq.com>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Hi Lars, (cc: Eric, Thomas)
I have worked on the concept for exploitation of the idea of Apache
Training and a little tool which may allow us to bring it to life.
Also, I motivated a new person to join us. Sorry for not yet being so
communicative.
I will share details as soon as possible.
It is still going slowly - but please give us until the end of the year.
In case we miss the goal of connecting to at least two more Apache projects.
Here is our plan:
Assumption:
*- Any Apache project should follow a minimal standard when we speak about
learning about the project** Readme file in the repo must exists and
provide a minimal set of information. -> We must define what this set looks
like.
* Quickstart Tutorial must exits and work well.
* A profile of preconditions to use that technology should be provided
* An executive summary for using the technology should be provided
* Technical documentation should be available and follow a certain minimal
standard. -> We must define what this set looks like.
*The Apache Training project uses automated data analysis to check (some
of) the criteria mentioned above.*Using the source code repository as a
starting point we will investigate the documentation corpus and make it
accessible for
a chat based interaction => Apply ChatGPT to the repo for contextual search.
We can generate a report from the repository which will be "reported to" or
"exposed via" Apache Training project. => We have to define in which form.
First proposal: generated ADOC files in the github repository would be fine
for an inventory.
I will share an example during the next week via Pull Request.
I also updated the last podling report.
And once we have the next one, I will care about it.
Does this make sense to you?
@Lars and @Christofer: Do you consider the project still to be alive?
@thomas.thephasdin@ecolytiq.com <th...@ecolytiq.com> : Would
you Readme-Editor tool be something you can bring in here or could you help
us building a version of it in the Apache Training project context?
Cheers,
Mirko
Am Fr., 30. Juni 2023 um 10:48 Uhr schrieb Lars Francke <
lars.francke@gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> Mirko, I know that you have tried but unfortunately, we don't have
> much new activity.
> I'm also leaning towards retiring unless you have any more updates for us?
>
> Cheers,
> Lars
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 2:23 PM Christofer Dutz
> <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > well technically I only asked what I would need to leave.
> >
> > I didn’t ask to be removed yet .. and actually seeing some action here,
> I might reconsider ;-)
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> > Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 12:59
> > An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
> > Hi,
> >
> > Which content has been added?
> > Which mentor left?
> >
> > I'll add both to the report draft.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mirko
> >
> >
> > Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 11:32 Uhr schrieb Justin Mclean <
> > justin@classsoftware.com>:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Some new training content has been committed.
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> > Müchelner Str. 23
> > 06259 Frankleben
>
--
Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
Müchelner Str. 23
06259 Frankleben
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Lars, (cc: Eric, Thomas)
I have worked on the concept for exploitation of the idea of Apache
Training and a little tool which may allow us to bring it to life.
Also, I motivated a new person to join us. Sorry for not yet being so
communicative.
I will share details as soon as possible.
It is still going slowly - but please give us until the end of the year.
In case we miss the goal of connecting to at least two more Apache projects.
Here is our plan:
Assumption:
*- Any Apache project should follow a minimal standard when we speak about
learning about the project** Readme file in the repo must exists and
provide a minimal set of information. -> We must define what this set looks
like.
* Quickstart Tutorial must exits and work well.
* A profile of preconditions to use that technology should be provided
* An executive summary for using the technology should be provided
* Technical documentation should be available and follow a certain minimal
standard. -> We must define what this set looks like.
*The Apache Training project uses automated data analysis to check (some
of) the criteria mentioned above.*Using the source code repository as a
starting point we will investigate the documentation corpus and make it
accessible for
a chat based interaction => Apply ChatGPT to the repo for contextual search.
We can generate a report from the repository which will be "reported to" or
"exposed via" Apache Training project. => We have to define in which form.
First proposal: generated ADOC files in the github repository would be fine
for an inventory.
I will share an example during the next week via Pull Request.
I also updated the last podling report.
And once we have the next one, I will care about it.
Does this make sense to you?
@Lars and @Christofer: Do you consider the project still to be alive?
@thomas.thephasdin@ecolytiq.com <th...@ecolytiq.com> : Would
you Readme-Editor tool be something you can bring in here or could you help
us building a version of it in the Apache Training project context?
Cheers,
Mirko
Am Fr., 30. Juni 2023 um 10:48 Uhr schrieb Lars Francke <
lars.francke@gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> Mirko, I know that you have tried but unfortunately, we don't have
> much new activity.
> I'm also leaning towards retiring unless you have any more updates for us?
>
> Cheers,
> Lars
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 2:23 PM Christofer Dutz
> <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > well technically I only asked what I would need to leave.
> >
> > I didn’t ask to be removed yet .. and actually seeing some action here,
> I might reconsider ;-)
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> > Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 12:59
> > An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
> > Hi,
> >
> > Which content has been added?
> > Which mentor left?
> >
> > I'll add both to the report draft.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mirko
> >
> >
> > Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 11:32 Uhr schrieb Justin Mclean <
> > justin@classsoftware.com>:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Some new training content has been committed.
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> > Müchelner Str. 23
> > 06259 Frankleben
>
--
Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
Müchelner Str. 23
06259 Frankleben
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
Mirko, I know that you have tried but unfortunately, we don't have
much new activity.
I'm also leaning towards retiring unless you have any more updates for us?
Cheers,
Lars
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 2:23 PM Christofer Dutz
<ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> well technically I only asked what I would need to leave.
>
> I didn’t ask to be removed yet .. and actually seeing some action here, I might reconsider ;-)
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 12:59
> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
> Hi,
>
> Which content has been added?
> Which mentor left?
>
> I'll add both to the report draft.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
>
> Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 11:32 Uhr schrieb Justin Mclean <
> justin@classsoftware.com>:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some new training content has been committed.
> >
> > Justin
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
> Müchelner Str. 23
> 06259 Frankleben
AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi all,
well technically I only asked what I would need to leave.
I didn’t ask to be removed yet .. and actually seeing some action here, I might reconsider ;-)
Chris
Von: Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
Datum: Dienstag, 11. April 2023 um 12:59
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Hi,
Which content has been added?
Which mentor left?
I'll add both to the report draft.
Cheers,
Mirko
Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 11:32 Uhr schrieb Justin Mclean <
justin@classsoftware.com>:
> Hi,
>
> Some new training content has been committed.
>
> Justin
>
--
Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
Müchelner Str. 23
06259 Frankleben
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Which content has been added?
Which mentor left?
I'll add both to the report draft.
Cheers,
Mirko
Am Di., 11. Apr. 2023 um 11:32 Uhr schrieb Justin Mclean <
justin@classsoftware.com>:
> Hi,
>
> Some new training content has been committed.
>
> Justin
>
--
Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
Müchelner Str. 23
06259 Frankleben
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Some new training content has been committed.
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
We’ve also had a mentor leave.
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hey,
I have added the report draft to the wiki page.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAINING/Podling+Reports
Please have a look and let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Mirko
Am Do., 16. März 2023 um 14:34 Uhr schrieb Craig Russell <
apache.clr@gmail.com>:
> Hi Mirko,
>
> You can request an upgrade of your permissions at
> users@infra.apache.org
>
> Let us know if you have any problems.
>
> Warm regards,
> Craig
>
> > On Mar 16, 2023, at 01:07, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning,
> > I want to edit the report, the draft is attached to this email.
> > Using my username "kamir" I am logged in into the Confluence Wiki, but I
> have no edit permissions.
> >
> > Can I get the edit permissions for this account? Who can help me with
> this?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Mirko
> >
> >
> > <Apache Training - Report - March 2023.docx>
>
> Craig L Russell
> clr@apache.org
>
>
--
Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf
Müchelner Str. 23
06259 Frankleben
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
Hi Mirko,
You can request an upgrade of your permissions at
users@infra.apache.org
Let us know if you have any problems.
Warm regards,
Craig
> On Mar 16, 2023, at 01:07, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good morning,
> I want to edit the report, the draft is attached to this email.
> Using my username "kamir" I am logged in into the Confluence Wiki, but I have no edit permissions.
>
> Can I get the edit permissions for this account? Who can help me with this?
>
> Best wishes,
> Mirko
>
>
> <Apache Training - Report - March 2023.docx>
Craig L Russell
clr@apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Good morning,
I want to edit the report, the draft is attached to this email.
Using my username "kamir" I am logged in into the Confluence Wiki, but I
have no edit permissions.
Can I get the edit permissions for this account? Who can help me with this?
Best wishes,
Mirko
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Christopher,
I am in for the report and another attempt to bring the project forward.
Currently, I am traveling, but on Monday I am back and ready to handle the
report.
Because I am not able to login to ASF system,
I need to refresh/recover my account ... but once this is done, I am ready
to contribute, hopefully not just to the report.
I am aiming on reviewing and refining the project's strategy.
Let's reach the next level by end of the year.
First, we must define how this next level looks like.
Cheers,
Mirko
Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Di., 14. März 2023,
19:54:
> Hi all,
>
> Well, if we want to keep on going, I would expect a report to show up in
> the incubator report.
>
> We’ve sort of had enough people “willing” to do something, we need at
> least a hand full that would actually also “do” something (like filing the
> reports).
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: Austin Bennett <au...@apache.org>
> Datum: Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 00:58
> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
> The idea/purpose of training is incredibly worthy. But, as we see, a bit
> harder/different from more traditional models of code or communities of
> code users. I also haven't been able to devote time as I'd like [ am
> optimistic that some day *might* come :-/ ].
>
> There are substantially valuable implications, but unclear whether this
> will muster enough support to get there.
>
> In some circumstances I lead training sessions, so having a neutral/safe
> place to serve as a source of materials is very worthwhile, but I haven't
> done my part by contributing. I'm also not really offering to do much at
> the moment - so just a note hopefully to share some encouragement.
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:51 PM Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would vote +1 on retiring if it were not for Mirko (and Ryan)
> > speaking up. Mirko asked me to talk about this and we'll have a chat
> > on Thursday as he mentioned.
> > I would suggest we wait another week or two before making any final
> > decisions here.
> > That said: I'm definitely also more than happy to step down should
> > others want to take over.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lars
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:46 PM Christofer Dutz
> > <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> > >
> > > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest
> > that would result in action) so we should free the resources and give
> them
> > to a podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3
> > podlings in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these
> > slots)
> > >
> > > What do you folks think?
> > >
> > > Chris
> >
>
AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi all,
Well, if we want to keep on going, I would expect a report to show up in the incubator report.
We’ve sort of had enough people “willing” to do something, we need at least a hand full that would actually also “do” something (like filing the reports).
Chris
Von: Austin Bennett <au...@apache.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 00:58
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
The idea/purpose of training is incredibly worthy. But, as we see, a bit
harder/different from more traditional models of code or communities of
code users. I also haven't been able to devote time as I'd like [ am
optimistic that some day *might* come :-/ ].
There are substantially valuable implications, but unclear whether this
will muster enough support to get there.
In some circumstances I lead training sessions, so having a neutral/safe
place to serve as a source of materials is very worthwhile, but I haven't
done my part by contributing. I'm also not really offering to do much at
the moment - so just a note hopefully to share some encouragement.
On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:51 PM Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would vote +1 on retiring if it were not for Mirko (and Ryan)
> speaking up. Mirko asked me to talk about this and we'll have a chat
> on Thursday as he mentioned.
> I would suggest we wait another week or two before making any final
> decisions here.
> That said: I'm definitely also more than happy to step down should
> others want to take over.
>
> Cheers,
> Lars
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:46 PM Christofer Dutz
> <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest
> that would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them
> to a podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3
> podlings in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these
> slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Austin Bennett <au...@apache.org>.
The idea/purpose of training is incredibly worthy. But, as we see, a bit
harder/different from more traditional models of code or communities of
code users. I also haven't been able to devote time as I'd like [ am
optimistic that some day *might* come :-/ ].
There are substantially valuable implications, but unclear whether this
will muster enough support to get there.
In some circumstances I lead training sessions, so having a neutral/safe
place to serve as a source of materials is very worthwhile, but I haven't
done my part by contributing. I'm also not really offering to do much at
the moment - so just a note hopefully to share some encouragement.
On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:51 PM Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would vote +1 on retiring if it were not for Mirko (and Ryan)
> speaking up. Mirko asked me to talk about this and we'll have a chat
> on Thursday as he mentioned.
> I would suggest we wait another week or two before making any final
> decisions here.
> That said: I'm definitely also more than happy to step down should
> others want to take over.
>
> Cheers,
> Lars
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:46 PM Christofer Dutz
> <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest
> that would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them
> to a podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3
> podlings in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these
> slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I would vote +1 on retiring if it were not for Mirko (and Ryan)
speaking up. Mirko asked me to talk about this and we'll have a chat
on Thursday as he mentioned.
I would suggest we wait another week or two before making any final
decisions here.
That said: I'm definitely also more than happy to step down should
others want to take over.
Cheers,
Lars
On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:46 PM Christofer Dutz
<ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
>
> There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
>
> What do you folks think?
>
> Chris
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
since yesterday I have access to edit the Wiki Page. Thanks to Lars for
your support. The report will be added this Weekend.
I look forward to another spring for this project.
Currently I write a proposal for next steps in Q2 and Q3 to reanimate the
project.
I will share this end of next week.
This is my quick pre-easter-break update.
Please give us some more time for the onboarding of new ideas and new
contributors.
Happy easter!
Cheers,
Mirko
Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Fr., 7. Apr. 2023,
09:32:
> Hi all,
>
> Well, it’s reporting time again and I’m not seeing anything happening here.
> So, I guess I will not start a vote on retirement, but I will instead step
> down as Mentor.
>
> I usually have a maximum of 3 podlings in order to be sure I can spend
> enough time on each.
> This podling has effectively been doing nothing for the past years and I
> would rather invest my time on podlings that need guidance.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> Datum: Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 07:59
> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Betreff: AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
> Hi Shane,
>
> just yesterday I did my usual bumping and updating of our internal tools,
> and I even added a draft of a new presentation on “The ASF” ... happy to
> collaborate. For that I “translated” a German presentation we were giving
> during my time at codecentric when we were doing our Apache Roadshow to
> explain what the ASF is and how it works. I replaced all static images with
> generated ones and updated the numbers.
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Shane Curcuru <cu...@apache.org>
> Datum: Dienstag, 21. März 2023 um 11:31
> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
> Glad to hear folks are still interested in the project, since I just
> recently freed up some time to work on better documentation/explainers.
> I've also realized over the years that doing small chunks of topics is much
> easier to actually accomplish than trying to get the whole beautiful giant
> slide deck done...
>
> Hoping there's energy here long enough for me to get involved with content!
>
> - Shane
> ASF Member
>
> On 2023/03/13 16:10:25 Mirko Kämpf wrote:
> > Hey,
> > I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> > the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mirko
> >
> > Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März
> 2023,
> > 15:46:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> > >
> > > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest
> that
> > > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them
> to a
> > > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3
> podlings
> > > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> > >
> > > What do you folks think?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
>
AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi all,
Well, it’s reporting time again and I’m not seeing anything happening here.
So, I guess I will not start a vote on retirement, but I will instead step down as Mentor.
I usually have a maximum of 3 podlings in order to be sure I can spend enough time on each.
This podling has effectively been doing nothing for the past years and I would rather invest my time on podlings that need guidance.
Chris
Von: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
Datum: Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 07:59
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Hi Shane,
just yesterday I did my usual bumping and updating of our internal tools, and I even added a draft of a new presentation on “The ASF” ... happy to collaborate. For that I “translated” a German presentation we were giving during my time at codecentric when we were doing our Apache Roadshow to explain what the ASF is and how it works. I replaced all static images with generated ones and updated the numbers.
Chris
Von: Shane Curcuru <cu...@apache.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 21. März 2023 um 11:31
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Glad to hear folks are still interested in the project, since I just recently freed up some time to work on better documentation/explainers. I've also realized over the years that doing small chunks of topics is much easier to actually accomplish than trying to get the whole beautiful giant slide deck done...
Hoping there's energy here long enough for me to get involved with content!
- Shane
ASF Member
On 2023/03/13 16:10:25 Mirko Kämpf wrote:
> Hey,
> I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
> 15:46:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Shane,
just yesterday I did my usual bumping and updating of our internal tools, and I even added a draft of a new presentation on “The ASF” ... happy to collaborate. For that I “translated” a German presentation we were giving during my time at codecentric when we were doing our Apache Roadshow to explain what the ASF is and how it works. I replaced all static images with generated ones and updated the numbers.
Chris
Von: Shane Curcuru <cu...@apache.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 21. März 2023 um 11:31
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Glad to hear folks are still interested in the project, since I just recently freed up some time to work on better documentation/explainers. I've also realized over the years that doing small chunks of topics is much easier to actually accomplish than trying to get the whole beautiful giant slide deck done...
Hoping there's energy here long enough for me to get involved with content!
- Shane
ASF Member
On 2023/03/13 16:10:25 Mirko Kämpf wrote:
> Hey,
> I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
> 15:46:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Shane Curcuru <cu...@apache.org>.
Glad to hear folks are still interested in the project, since I just recently freed up some time to work on better documentation/explainers. I've also realized over the years that doing small chunks of topics is much easier to actually accomplish than trying to get the whole beautiful giant slide deck done...
Hoping there's energy here long enough for me to get involved with content!
- Shane
ASF Member
On 2023/03/13 16:10:25 Mirko Kämpf wrote:
> Hey,
> I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
> 15:46:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Ryan Skraba <ry...@skraba.com>.
Hello!
I think the idea of the Training project is *sound*, and the reusable
slide deck resources are pretty good... but I've had some trouble
getting my own concrete contributions in order.
My (shared) presentation at ApacheCon in New Orleans last year[1] was
done with the Apache Training base deck, but getting it in shape for
contribution to the repo keeps getting pushed down my to do list.
It's kind of a vicious cycle, because it doesn't get any easier as
time goes on.
It seems that we didn't capture the attention of our target audience
of "course instructors of Apache projects". Mirko, I'd be interested
to hear if you come up with some ideas for reviving some of the
enthusiasm around the project, and probably more motivated to finish
my bit of work!
In the case where the project is retired, I'd love to see a good home
to maintain the reusable slide module (even if its outside the ASF).
All my best, Ryan
[1]: https://slides.skraba.com/dive-into-avro/index_en.html
On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 5:11 PM Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
> I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
> 15:46:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
> >
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hey,
I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
Cheers,
Mirko
Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
15:46:
> Hi all,
>
> So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
>
> There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
>
> What do you folks think?
>
> Chris
>