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Posted to dev@wookie.apache.org by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org> on 2011/03/07 16:54:37 UTC

Do we want to maintain a widget library? (was Re: Accessible Wookie widgets)

On 07/03/2011 15:49, Sheila MacNeill wrote:
> Very probably and some of the team will be at the widget bash too.

Excellent.

This brings up a question for this project though, do we want them?

The issue is that maintaining widgets is a very different issue to 
maintaining a widget server. Interestingly I just made the same 
observation over on the Rave list where we are facing the same issue.

The Shindig project (as far as I know) does not accept gadgets for this 
reason.

An alternative would be to create a separate project to host 
widgets/gadgets, maybe outside the ASF in order to lower the barrier to 
entry for newcomers and to remove the licence requirements we have here.

Thoughts?

Ross

>
> Sheila
>
> On 7 Mar 2011, at 15:41, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
>> On 07/03/2011 15:31, Scott Wilson wrote:
>>> Nice writeup here:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Accessibility_SIG_Meeting_28th_February_2011#WIDE_.28Widgets_for_Distributed_Inclusive_Environments.29_.28PowerPoint_Format_-_1.2Mb.29
>>>
>>> Some of the widgets they developed are up here:
>>>
>>> http://arc.tees.ac.uk/wider/index.php?p=widgets
>>>
>>> Though it sounds like they made quite a few more but haven't published them yet.
>>
>> Any chance they will consider contributing the code for these to Wookie?
>>
>> Ross
>
> Sheila MacNeill
> Assistant Director
> JISC CETIS
> University of Strathclyde
> email:s.macneill@strath.ac.uk
> tel: 01415484644 (office)
>        07855826413 (mobile)
> skype:sheilmcn
>
> The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, number SC015263.
>
>
>


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Re: Do we want to maintain a widget library? (was Re: Accessible Wookie widgets)

Posted by Sheila MacNeill <s....@strath.ac.uk>.
Hi Ross

That's something that has come up through JISC projects before and quite recently again too. Think there would definAtely be interest, just a question for finding a home.

Sheila

On 7 Mar 2011, at 15:54, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 07/03/2011 15:49, Sheila MacNeill wrote:
>> Very probably and some of the team will be at the widget bash too.
> 
> Excellent.
> 
> This brings up a question for this project though, do we want them?
> 
> The issue is that maintaining widgets is a very different issue to 
> maintaining a widget server. Interestingly I just made the same 
> observation over on the Rave list where we are facing the same issue.
> 
> The Shindig project (as far as I know) does not accept gadgets for this 
> reason.
> 
> An alternative would be to create a separate project to host 
> widgets/gadgets, maybe outside the ASF in order to lower the barrier to 
> entry for newcomers and to remove the licence requirements we have here.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Ross
> 
>> 
>> Sheila
>> 
>> On 7 Mar 2011, at 15:41, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> 
>>> On 07/03/2011 15:31, Scott Wilson wrote:
>>>> Nice writeup here:
>>>> 
>>>> http://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Accessibility_SIG_Meeting_28th_February_2011#WIDE_.28Widgets_for_Distributed_Inclusive_Environments.29_.28PowerPoint_Format_-_1.2Mb.29
>>>> 
>>>> Some of the widgets they developed are up here:
>>>> 
>>>> http://arc.tees.ac.uk/wider/index.php?p=widgets
>>>> 
>>>> Though it sounds like they made quite a few more but haven't published them yet.
>>> 
>>> Any chance they will consider contributing the code for these to Wookie?
>>> 
>>> Ross
>> 
>> Sheila MacNeill
>> Assistant Director
>> JISC CETIS
>> University of Strathclyde
>> email:s.macneill@strath.ac.uk
>> tel: 01415484644 (office)
>>       07855826413 (mobile)
>> skype:sheilmcn
>> 
>> The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, number SC015263.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> rgardler@apache.org
> @rgardler

Sheila MacNeill
Assistant Director
JISC CETIS 
University of Strathclyde
email:s.macneill@strath.ac.uk
tel: 01415484644 (office)
      07855826413 (mobile)
skype:sheilmcn

The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, number SC015263.




Re: Do we want to maintain a widget library? (was Re: Accessible Wookie widgets)

Posted by Scott Wilson <sc...@gmail.com>.
On 7 Mar 2011, at 15:54, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 07/03/2011 15:49, Sheila MacNeill wrote:
>> Very probably and some of the team will be at the widget bash too.
> 
> Excellent.
> 
> This brings up a question for this project though, do we want them?
> 
> The issue is that maintaining widgets is a very different issue to maintaining a widget server. Interestingly I just made the same observation over on the Rave list where we are facing the same issue.
> 
> The Shindig project (as far as I know) does not accept gadgets for this reason.
> 
> An alternative would be to create a separate project to host widgets/gadgets, maybe outside the ASF in order to lower the barrier to entry for newcomers and to remove the licence requirements we have here.

I think in both cases (Wookie and Rave) we want to have a few example widgets/gadgets to help people get started, but beyond that I think there is a requirement for both a widget developer shed and also a white-label app store. 

The app store is something that Niels and I discussed at the OpenSocial workshop in Utrecht - and Sheila has campaigned for in the UK - though mostly in an education context. 

But the widget dev shed is a real gray area right now and it isn't clear where this might live as its a kind of "meta project" or "micro incubator".

> Thoughts?
> 
> Ross
> 
>> 
>> Sheila
>> 
>> On 7 Mar 2011, at 15:41, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> 
>>> On 07/03/2011 15:31, Scott Wilson wrote:
>>>> Nice writeup here:
>>>> 
>>>> http://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Accessibility_SIG_Meeting_28th_February_2011#WIDE_.28Widgets_for_Distributed_Inclusive_Environments.29_.28PowerPoint_Format_-_1.2Mb.29
>>>> 
>>>> Some of the widgets they developed are up here:
>>>> 
>>>> http://arc.tees.ac.uk/wider/index.php?p=widgets
>>>> 
>>>> Though it sounds like they made quite a few more but haven't published them yet.
>>> 
>>> Any chance they will consider contributing the code for these to Wookie?
>>> 
>>> Ross
>> 
>> Sheila MacNeill
>> Assistant Director
>> JISC CETIS
>> University of Strathclyde
>> email:s.macneill@strath.ac.uk
>> tel: 01415484644 (office)
>>       07855826413 (mobile)
>> skype:sheilmcn
>> 
>> The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, number SC015263.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> rgardler@apache.org
> @rgardler


Re: Do we want to maintain a widget library? (was Re: Accessible Wookie widgets)

Posted by Scott Wilson <sc...@gmail.com>.
On 7 Mar 2011, at 15:54, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 07/03/2011 15:49, Sheila MacNeill wrote:
>> Very probably and some of the team will be at the widget bash too.
> 
> Excellent.
> 
> This brings up a question for this project though, do we want them?
> 
> The issue is that maintaining widgets is a very different issue to maintaining a widget server. Interestingly I just made the same observation over on the Rave list where we are facing the same issue.
> 
> The Shindig project (as far as I know) does not accept gadgets for this reason.
> 
> An alternative would be to create a separate project to host widgets/gadgets, maybe outside the ASF in order to lower the barrier to entry for newcomers and to remove the licence requirements we have here.

I think in both cases (Wookie and Rave) we want to have a few example widgets/gadgets to help people get started, but beyond that I think there is a requirement for both a widget developer shed and also a white-label app store. 

The app store is something that Niels and I discussed at the OpenSocial workshop in Utrecht - and Sheila has campaigned for in the UK - though mostly in an education context. 

But the widget dev shed is a real gray area right now and it isn't clear where this might live as its a kind of "meta project" or "micro incubator".

> Thoughts?
> 
> Ross
> 
>> 
>> Sheila
>> 
>> On 7 Mar 2011, at 15:41, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> 
>>> On 07/03/2011 15:31, Scott Wilson wrote:
>>>> Nice writeup here:
>>>> 
>>>> http://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Accessibility_SIG_Meeting_28th_February_2011#WIDE_.28Widgets_for_Distributed_Inclusive_Environments.29_.28PowerPoint_Format_-_1.2Mb.29
>>>> 
>>>> Some of the widgets they developed are up here:
>>>> 
>>>> http://arc.tees.ac.uk/wider/index.php?p=widgets
>>>> 
>>>> Though it sounds like they made quite a few more but haven't published them yet.
>>> 
>>> Any chance they will consider contributing the code for these to Wookie?
>>> 
>>> Ross
>> 
>> Sheila MacNeill
>> Assistant Director
>> JISC CETIS
>> University of Strathclyde
>> email:s.macneill@strath.ac.uk
>> tel: 01415484644 (office)
>>       07855826413 (mobile)
>> skype:sheilmcn
>> 
>> The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, number SC015263.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> rgardler@apache.org
> @rgardler