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Posted to dev@sling.apache.org by Andreas Schaefer <sc...@me.com.INVALID> on 2020/01/07 23:46:51 UTC
Sling on Slack?
Hi
I was wondering if you guys would be interested in having either an Apache Sling Slack Workspace or use the ASF Slack Workspace and run our own channel(s) (the-asf)?
I do not see Slack as a replacement of the mailing list but rather an additional way to quickly discuss ideas, problems and to build a stronger community.
Let me know what you think.
Cheers - Andy
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Daniel Klco <dk...@apache.org>.
Sounds like a good idea to me. Perhaps we could collaborate with our
OpenWhisk cohorts to create a slack email digest?
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 6:47 PM Andreas Schaefer <sc...@me.com.invalid>
wrote:
> Hi
>
> I was wondering if you guys would be interested in having either an Apache
> Sling Slack Workspace or use the ASF Slack Workspace and run our own
> channel(s) (the-asf)?
>
> I do not see Slack as a replacement of the mailing list but rather an
> additional way to quickly discuss ideas, problems and to build a stronger
> community.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Cheers - Andy
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Saurabh Tiwari <sa...@hotwax.co>.
Thanks, Andreas for sharing the idea and Daniel, Radu, and Nicolas for the
inputs.
Hi team,
IMHO, Slack is a very good option for quick communication.
Various Apache projects (approx. 130+) are efficiently using it in ASF
Slack space for quick communications.
As Andreas mentioned Slack is not the replacement of the list.
Because, as we say in Apache, "If it doesn't happen over the list, it never
happened!" :)
Slack may bring the following opportunities to expand our community.
1. Some users need very quick help on small things, so they generally not
subscribe to the list.
2. Many of the Apache members (contributors/committers) are available on
Slack, so it opens up the opportunity to have chat with them.
3. Also, our Sling users/contributors/committers can also have one to one
chat to discuss anything. Slack will bring all of us in a common chat
platform.
Also, we add similar information in our channel description to encourage
users to use mailing list.
e.g. Currently done by Apache OFBiz project slack channel description
===========
For technical questions and discussion, you should better subscribe and
then ask to user ML, see https://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html. You
will have better chances to get answers...
===========
These are just some of my thoughts because I had a good experience in using
Slack for other Apache projects.
Thank you!
Best regards,
Saurabh Tiwari
Enterprise Software Engineer
HotWax Commerce
http://www.hotwax.co
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:36 PM Nicolas Peltier <pe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1 to what Radu said. I just see an opportunity to dilute information here.
> The only value i could find in instant chat here is operational
> discussions, and the only operational discussions we have are mostly beers
> at adaptTo :-)
>
>
> Le mer. 8 janv. 2020 à 10:46, Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org> a écrit :
>
> > Hi Andy,
> >
> > > On 8 Jan 2020, at 00:46, Andreas Schaefer <sc...@me.com.INVALID>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I do not see Slack as a replacement of the mailing list but rather an
> > additional way to quickly discuss ideas, problems and to build a stronger
> > community.
> >
> > I much prefer email over anything, since it forces people to think a bit
> > through before sending a message. Besides, the email lists are archived
> and
> > it’s easy to search through them. The search functionality on Slack is a
> > joke.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Radu
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 8:44 AM Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...I'm fine with using chat channels for watercooler-style throwaway
> discussions...
FWIW it looks like Mahout has setup replication between Slack and
their dev list in a way that might help:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rbc1c1c2a289accb40e7e3967f7c08213f13fea46013f73cf881c74c0%40%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
-Bertrand
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Nicolas Peltier <np...@apache.org>.
> I'm fine with using chat channels for watercooler-style throwaway
> discussions which are brought back here if they become more
> substantial.
On the paper i'm fine with it too. However experience shows that very
substantial questions / answers end up drowned in slack channels, and thus
asked several times (basically each time someone ask himself that very same
question), that every one will need to read several times, and then answer
several times.
We are far from the model of digging answers in the archive, reading a few
threads, and finally redact the question. That whole process is definitely
a hurdle and a burden if you measure one developer's time, but slack
channel / instant messaging is a hurdle and a burden to the whole
community's cumulated time.
Le mar. 21 janv. 2020 à 08:45, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
a écrit :
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 1:24 AM Andreas Schaefer
> <sc...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
> > ...Slack would help to ask, discuss and answer questions around such
> topics quickly and
> > with relative ease....
>
> But those questions won't be easily accessible to others, which is IMO
> a big drawback.
>
> I'm fine with using chat channels for watercooler-style throwaway
> discussions which are brought back here if they become more
> substantial.
>
> For Q&A I'd much prefer something like Stack Overflow - IIRC there
> were concerns about their licence for code that people post there
> however, we should check that if that's desirable.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 1:24 AM Andreas Schaefer
<sc...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
> ...Slack would help to ask, discuss and answer questions around such topics quickly and
> with relative ease....
But those questions won't be easily accessible to others, which is IMO
a big drawback.
I'm fine with using chat channels for watercooler-style throwaway
discussions which are brought back here if they become more
substantial.
For Q&A I'd much prefer something like Stack Overflow - IIRC there
were concerns about their licence for code that people post there
however, we should check that if that's desirable.
-Bertrand
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Andreas Schaefer <sc...@me.com.INVALID>.
Let me ask this another way around:
Do you mind if I start a Sling Channel on the ASF Slack Workspace and whoever wants to join can do so.
I do not see the risk of fragmentation or information dilution.
I would love to use Slack to make it easier to ask questions, discuss new ideas or just hang out with other devs in a more informal format. The hurdle / burden on asking a question on the mailing list is high both for the people asking and the ones answering (at least for me). There is a lot going on with FMs right now and the documentation is not thorough enough to have a good understanding and some of it is even not up to date. Slack would help to ask, discuss and answer questions around such topics quickly and with relative ease.
If it does not work out then we can still shelve it.
Cheers - Andy
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:05 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:06 PM Nicolas Peltier
> <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 to what Radu said. I just see an opportunity to dilute information here...
>
> Same here, I don't think this community is large enough to have
> multiple channels, I see a big risk of fragmentation.
>
> -Bertrand
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:06 PM Nicolas Peltier
<pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 to what Radu said. I just see an opportunity to dilute information here...
Same here, I don't think this community is large enough to have
multiple channels, I see a big risk of fragmentation.
-Bertrand
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Nicolas Peltier <pe...@gmail.com>.
+1 to what Radu said. I just see an opportunity to dilute information here.
The only value i could find in instant chat here is operational
discussions, and the only operational discussions we have are mostly beers
at adaptTo :-)
Le mer. 8 janv. 2020 à 10:46, Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org> a écrit :
> Hi Andy,
>
> > On 8 Jan 2020, at 00:46, Andreas Schaefer <sc...@me.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > I do not see Slack as a replacement of the mailing list but rather an
> additional way to quickly discuss ideas, problems and to build a stronger
> community.
>
> I much prefer email over anything, since it forces people to think a bit
> through before sending a message. Besides, the email lists are archived and
> it’s easy to search through them. The search functionality on Slack is a
> joke.
>
> Cheers,
> Radu
Re: Sling on Slack?
Posted by Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org>.
Hi Andy,
> On 8 Jan 2020, at 00:46, Andreas Schaefer <sc...@me.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> I do not see Slack as a replacement of the mailing list but rather an additional way to quickly discuss ideas, problems and to build a stronger community.
I much prefer email over anything, since it forces people to think a bit through before sending a message. Besides, the email lists are archived and it’s easy to search through them. The search functionality on Slack is a joke.
Cheers,
Radu