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Posted to dev@shiro.apache.org by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> on 2009/03/04 15:08:08 UTC
Name change branding
Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the term
"Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it "Ki
Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the purpose of
the project? This could either be the official name or a secondary name
that we commonly use to communicate the project's purpose.
Thoughts?
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Emmanuel,
On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>> Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar
>> files (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
>>
>> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think
>> saying Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's
>> a security library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki
>> while it's still in incubation? Or would it be better to call it
>> "Ki Security" until it graduates?
> Incubator is an ASF project, and you are under its umbrella, so
> Apache Ki is an ASF Project !
Just a minor quibble. Apache Ki is an ASF Podling.
But I agree with your main point about discussing Apache Ki in public.
It's only in official disclaimers that we need to point out that we're
still incubating.
And of course, no press releases, etc. etc. But talk it up!
Craig
>
>
>
> --
> --
> cordialement, regards,
> Emmanuel Lécharny
> www.iktek.com
> directory.apache.org
>
>
Craig L Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
Cool - thanks for clearing that up! I haven't been sure whether I can
"officially" call it that.
On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>> Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar
>> files (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
>>
>> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think
>> saying Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's
>> a security library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki
>> while it's still in incubation? Or would it be better to call it
>> "Ki Security" until it graduates?
> Incubator is an ASF project, and you are under its umbrella, so
> Apache Ki is an ASF Project !
>
>
> --
> --
> cordialement, regards,
> Emmanuel Lécharny
> www.iktek.com
> directory.apache.org
>
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@apache.org>.
Jeremy Haile wrote:
> Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar
> files (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
>
> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think
> saying Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a
> security library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while
> it's still in incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki
> Security" until it graduates?
Incubator is an ASF project, and you are under its umbrella, so Apache
Ki is an ASF Project !
--
--
cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
directory.apache.org
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Its ok - I didn't take it that way :) But I still wanted to elaborate and
give folks an insight as to why I suggested the name. I think its all
pretty cool.
And yes, Kanji is fascinating to me as well. It can be a Wonderland Rabbit
Hole though - how far down it do you want to go? :)
Cheers,
Les
2009/3/4 Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>
> Thanks Les!
>
> oh no, I didn't mean to imply there's no such meaning, just that I, as a
> regular European with no skills whatsoever in Chinese/Japanese written or
> verbal language, have never heard it. It's very fascinating at least to me
> to hear this explanation that offers a glimpse to the secrets behind Kanji.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > That's because 'fortress' isn't used in the modern Japanese vernacular
> all
> > that often, unless you're sightseeing or reading up on Japanese history
> in
> > Kanji :). It is certainly referenced even less often (and pronounced) in
> > English, which is why you probably haven't heard of it. This is probably
> > the big reason why it hasn't had any naming conflicts and is why I
> proposed
> > it :)
> >
> > But, just to clarify:
> >
> > Chinese characters (called Kanji in Japanese) can have multiple
> > pronunciations depending if they're read by themselves or when attached
> to
> > other Kanji. It is not uncommon for the same character to have up to 4
> or
> > 5
> > different pronunciations depending on how it is used. 'Ki' in the
> context
> > of energy, or spirit, is what you referred to Kalle, is written like
> this:
> >
> > 気
> >
> > which is certainly different from 城 . But this is just one of dozens of
> > characters that can be pronounced 'ki'.
> >
> > If you use the same wwwjdic search I referenced before and type in 'ki'
> and
> > then click on the 'Romaji' radio button, you'll see over 100+ results for
> > characters that can be pronounced as 'ki'.
> >
> > So, although I am probably less experienced in Japanese martial arts than
> > you (I'm only a lowly shodan in Kendo), I am what I guess most people
> would
> > call functionally fluent in the language. So, I would definitely not
> steer
> > anyone wrong - I promise everyone I did my research before posting the
> name
> > as a suggestion :)
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Les
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> > <ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I haven't heard "Ki" being ever interpreted as "fortress". After 15
> years
> > > of
> > > martial arts training, Ki means this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi)
> > to
> > > me, but there are many other meanings, see
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiand
> > > http://unofficial.ki-society.org/ki-usage.html.
> > >
> > > Kalle
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Les,
> > > >
> > > > You mentioned that "Ki" means fortress in Japanese. Do you have any
> > > links
> > > > that talk about this? I'd like to be more well-versed in some of the
> > > > various meanings/reasons behind calling it that. Obviously, as time
> > goes
> > > on
> > > > hopefully we'll just build the branding up so that it doesn't matter,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > think having some meaning behind a name is nice to explain the name
> > > change
> > > > to people now.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar
> > files
> > > >> (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think
> > saying
> > > >> Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a
> > security
> > > >> library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while it's still
> > in
> > > >> incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki Security" until it
> > > >> graduates?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeremy Haile wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate
> the
> > > term
> > > >>>> "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it
> "Ki
> > > >>>> Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the
> purpose
> > of
> > > the
> > > >>>> project? This could either be the official name or a secondary
> name
> > > that we
> > > >>>> commonly use to communicate the project's purpose.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and
> > advertized
> > > as
> > > >>> Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> cordialement, regards,
> > > >>> Emmanuel Lécharny
> > > >>> www.iktek.com
> > > >>> directory.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Les!
oh no, I didn't mean to imply there's no such meaning, just that I, as a
regular European with no skills whatsoever in Chinese/Japanese written or
verbal language, have never heard it. It's very fascinating at least to me
to hear this explanation that offers a glimpse to the secrets behind Kanji.
Kalle
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> That's because 'fortress' isn't used in the modern Japanese vernacular all
> that often, unless you're sightseeing or reading up on Japanese history in
> Kanji :). It is certainly referenced even less often (and pronounced) in
> English, which is why you probably haven't heard of it. This is probably
> the big reason why it hasn't had any naming conflicts and is why I proposed
> it :)
>
> But, just to clarify:
>
> Chinese characters (called Kanji in Japanese) can have multiple
> pronunciations depending if they're read by themselves or when attached to
> other Kanji. It is not uncommon for the same character to have up to 4 or
> 5
> different pronunciations depending on how it is used. 'Ki' in the context
> of energy, or spirit, is what you referred to Kalle, is written like this:
>
> ��
>
> which is certainly different from �� . But this is just one of dozens of
> characters that can be pronounced 'ki'.
>
> If you use the same wwwjdic search I referenced before and type in 'ki' and
> then click on the 'Romaji' radio button, you'll see over 100+ results for
> characters that can be pronounced as 'ki'.
>
> So, although I am probably less experienced in Japanese martial arts than
> you (I'm only a lowly shodan in Kendo), I am what I guess most people would
> call functionally fluent in the language. So, I would definitely not steer
> anyone wrong - I promise everyone I did my research before posting the name
> as a suggestion :)
>
> Best,
>
> Les
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I haven't heard "Ki" being ever interpreted as "fortress". After 15 years
> > of
> > martial arts training, Ki means this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi)
> to
> > me, but there are many other meanings, see
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiand
> > http://unofficial.ki-society.org/ki-usage.html.
> >
> > Kalle
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > > Les,
> > >
> > > You mentioned that "Ki" means fortress in Japanese. Do you have any
> > links
> > > that talk about this? I'd like to be more well-versed in some of the
> > > various meanings/reasons behind calling it that. Obviously, as time
> goes
> > on
> > > hopefully we'll just build the branding up so that it doesn't matter,
> but
> > I
> > > think having some meaning behind a name is nice to explain the name
> > change
> > > to people now.
> > >
> > > Jeremy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar
> files
> > >> (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
> > >>
> > >> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think
> saying
> > >> Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a
> security
> > >> library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while it's still
> in
> > >> incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki Security" until it
> > >> graduates?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Jeremy Haile wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the
> > term
> > >>>> "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it "Ki
> > >>>> Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the purpose
> of
> > the
> > >>>> project? This could either be the official name or a secondary name
> > that we
> > >>>> commonly use to communicate the project's purpose.
> > >>>>
> > >>> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and
> advertized
> > as
> > >>> Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> --
> > >>> cordialement, regards,
> > >>> Emmanuel L��charny
> > >>> www.iktek.com
> > >>> directory.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
That's because 'fortress' isn't used in the modern Japanese vernacular all
that often, unless you're sightseeing or reading up on Japanese history in
Kanji :). It is certainly referenced even less often (and pronounced) in
English, which is why you probably haven't heard of it. This is probably
the big reason why it hasn't had any naming conflicts and is why I proposed
it :)
But, just to clarify:
Chinese characters (called Kanji in Japanese) can have multiple
pronunciations depending if they're read by themselves or when attached to
other Kanji. It is not uncommon for the same character to have up to 4 or 5
different pronunciations depending on how it is used. 'Ki' in the context
of energy, or spirit, is what you referred to Kalle, is written like this:
気
which is certainly different from 城 . But this is just one of dozens of
characters that can be pronounced 'ki'.
If you use the same wwwjdic search I referenced before and type in 'ki' and
then click on the 'Romaji' radio button, you'll see over 100+ results for
characters that can be pronounced as 'ki'.
So, although I am probably less experienced in Japanese martial arts than
you (I'm only a lowly shodan in Kendo), I am what I guess most people would
call functionally fluent in the language. So, I would definitely not steer
anyone wrong - I promise everyone I did my research before posting the name
as a suggestion :)
Best,
Les
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I haven't heard "Ki" being ever interpreted as "fortress". After 15 years
> of
> martial arts training, Ki means this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) to
> me, but there are many other meanings, see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiand
> http://unofficial.ki-society.org/ki-usage.html.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> > Les,
> >
> > You mentioned that "Ki" means fortress in Japanese. Do you have any
> links
> > that talk about this? I'd like to be more well-versed in some of the
> > various meanings/reasons behind calling it that. Obviously, as time goes
> on
> > hopefully we'll just build the branding up so that it doesn't matter, but
> I
> > think having some meaning behind a name is nice to explain the name
> change
> > to people now.
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
> >
> > Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar files
> >> (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
> >>
> >> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think saying
> >> Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a security
> >> library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while it's still in
> >> incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki Security" until it
> >> graduates?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> >>
> >> Jeremy Haile wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the
> term
> >>>> "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it "Ki
> >>>> Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the purpose of
> the
> >>>> project? This could either be the official name or a secondary name
> that we
> >>>> commonly use to communicate the project's purpose.
> >>>>
> >>> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and advertized
> as
> >>> Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> cordialement, regards,
> >>> Emmanuel Lécharny
> >>> www.iktek.com
> >>> directory.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
I haven't heard "Ki" being ever interpreted as "fortress". After 15 years of
martial arts training, Ki means this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) to
me, but there are many other meanings, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiand
http://unofficial.ki-society.org/ki-usage.html.
Kalle
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Les,
>
> You mentioned that "Ki" means fortress in Japanese. Do you have any links
> that talk about this? I'd like to be more well-versed in some of the
> various meanings/reasons behind calling it that. Obviously, as time goes on
> hopefully we'll just build the branding up so that it doesn't matter, but I
> think having some meaning behind a name is nice to explain the name change
> to people now.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>
> Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar files
>> (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
>>
>> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think saying
>> Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a security
>> library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while it's still in
>> incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki Security" until it
>> graduates?
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
>>
>> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>>
>>>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the term
>>>> "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it "Ki
>>>> Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the purpose of the
>>>> project? This could either be the official name or a secondary name that we
>>>> commonly use to communicate the project's purpose.
>>>>
>>> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and advertized as
>>> Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> cordialement, regards,
>>> Emmanuel Lécharny
>>> www.iktek.com
>>> directory.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Oops - almost forgot something that is kinda neat: 'Ki' for the character
below, with to the expected feeling of strength and security, carries the
additional connotation of being surrounded by a protective barrier - like a
wall or moat.
Kinda cool connotation for a software framework - a protective barrier for
your application ;)
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sure, check this out (I'd love to link to it directly, but the following
> site doesn't support direct linking for some reason):
>
> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C<http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/%7Ejwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C>
>
> Then enter the following character in the search:
>
> 城
>
> The first result shows you the translation.
>
> It is more regularly pronounced in the Japanese vernacular as *jō*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Japanese>(an elongated OH sound - joh, and not 'joe'), which is used as a suffix
> attached to the proper name of a castle:
>
> 姫路城 = Himeji-*jō
> *大阪城 = Osaka-*jō
>
> *etc...
>
> This is identical in concept to the polite suffix attached to surnames
> (Tanaka-*san*, Maeda-*san*), but just specific to castles/fortresses.
>
> But when you read this character by itself and not as a suffix to a proper
> name, it can be read as ki ("key"), to indicate just any fortress/castle.
>
> I hope that helps :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Les
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> Les,
>>
>> You mentioned that "Ki" means fortress in Japanese. Do you have any links
>> that talk about this? I'd like to be more well-versed in some of the
>> various meanings/reasons behind calling it that. Obviously, as time goes on
>> hopefully we'll just build the branding up so that it doesn't matter, but I
>> think having some meaning behind a name is nice to explain the name change
>> to people now.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>
>> Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar files
>>> (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
>>>
>>> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think saying
>>> Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a security
>>> library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while it's still in
>>> incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki Security" until it
>>> graduates?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the
>>>>> term "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it "Ki
>>>>> Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the purpose of the
>>>>> project? This could either be the official name or a secondary name that we
>>>>> commonly use to communicate the project's purpose.
>>>>>
>>>> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and advertized
>>>> as Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> cordialement, regards,
>>>> Emmanuel Lécharny
>>>> www.iktek.com
>>>> directory.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Sure, check this out (I'd love to link to it directly, but the following
site doesn't support direct linking for some reason):
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C
Then enter the following character in the search:
城
The first result shows you the translation.
It is more regularly pronounced in the Japanese vernacular as
*jō*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Japanese>(an elongated OH sound
- joh, and not 'joe'), which is used as a suffix
attached to the proper name of a castle:
姫路城 = Himeji-*jō
*大阪城 = Osaka-*jō
*etc...
This is identical in concept to the polite suffix attached to surnames
(Tanaka-*san*, Maeda-*san*), but just specific to castles/fortresses.
But when you read this character by itself and not as a suffix to a proper
name, it can be read as ki ("key"), to indicate just any fortress/castle.
I hope that helps :)
Cheers,
Les
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Les,
>
> You mentioned that "Ki" means fortress in Japanese. Do you have any links
> that talk about this? I'd like to be more well-versed in some of the
> various meanings/reasons behind calling it that. Obviously, as time goes on
> hopefully we'll just build the branding up so that it doesn't matter, but I
> think having some meaning behind a name is nice to explain the name change
> to people now.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>
> Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar files
>> (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
>>
>> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think saying
>> Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a security
>> library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while it's still in
>> incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki Security" until it
>> graduates?
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
>>
>> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>>
>>>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the term
>>>> "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it "Ki
>>>> Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the purpose of the
>>>> project? This could either be the official name or a secondary name that we
>>>> commonly use to communicate the project's purpose.
>>>>
>>> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and advertized as
>>> Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> cordialement, regards,
>>> Emmanuel Lécharny
>>> www.iktek.com
>>> directory.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
Les,
You mentioned that "Ki" means fortress in Japanese. Do you have any
links that talk about this? I'd like to be more well-versed in some
of the various meanings/reasons behind calling it that. Obviously, as
time goes on hopefully we'll just build the branding up so that it
doesn't matter, but I think having some meaning behind a name is nice
to explain the name change to people now.
Jeremy
On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
> Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar
> files (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
>
> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think
> saying Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's
> a security library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while
> it's still in incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki
> Security" until it graduates?
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
>
>> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate
>>> the term "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to
>>> call it "Ki Security" or something that immediately alerts users
>>> to the purpose of the project? This could either be the official
>>> name or a secondary name that we commonly use to communicate the
>>> project's purpose.
>> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and
>> advertized as Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> cordialement, regards,
>> Emmanuel Lécharny
>> www.iktek.com
>> directory.apache.org
>>
>>
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar
files (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc.
I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think
saying Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a
security library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while
it's still in incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki
Security" until it graduates?
On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the
>> term "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call
>> it "Ki Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the
>> purpose of the project? This could either be the official name or
>> a secondary name that we commonly use to communicate the project's
>> purpose.
> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and
> advertized as Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
>
>
> --
> --
> cordialement, regards,
> Emmanuel Lécharny
> www.iktek.com
> directory.apache.org
>
>
Re: Name change branding
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@apache.org>.
Jeremy Haile wrote:
> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the
> term "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it
> "Ki Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the
> purpose of the project? This could either be the official name or a
> secondary name that we commonly use to communicate the project's purpose.
The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and advertized
as Apache Ki Security, aka AKS.
--
--
cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
directory.apache.org