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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> on 2007/11/05 13:00:22 UTC
New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are using ?
I am not really thrilled on doing the migration...
But, what do other think about it ?
-Matthias
On 11/5/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> Understandable, but currently the wiki does not really shine in
> professionalism or modern looks. I stopped showing it to customers after I
> had a lot of negative feedback about it.
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 11/5/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > true,
> >
> > I think we discussed that in the past;
> > I am not really interested in converting the pages.
> > So a tool is a must :-)
> >
> > But my point was just adding new pages to have a bit more on "get the
> > community involved" and not doing a wiki overhaul.
> >
> > -M
> >
> > On 11/5/07, Scheper, Erik-Berndt <er...@sogeti.nl> wrote:
> > > I prefer the confluence wiki used by quite a few other apache projects,
> > > such as http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF/.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Erik-Berndt
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: mwessendorf@gmail.com [mailto:mwessendorf@gmail.com] Namens
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > Verzonden: maandag 5 november 2007 8:23
> > > Aan: MyFaces Development
> > > Onderwerp: Re: [site] new pages ?
> > >
> > >
> > > I think we will continue to use moin-moin wiki, which is OpenSource.
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > On 11/4/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> > > > Hi Matthias
> > > >
> > > > Looks real nice, but if we start doing pages like that could we please
> > >
> > > > do something about the styling of the wiki? Before adding more pages
> > > > would it not be real nice if we had a nicer looking wiki? JSF is meant
> > >
> > > > to be a good framework to develop modern looking sites. should the
> > > > wiki not reflect that?
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/4/07, Matthias Wessendorf < matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I found these two site:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://geronimo.apache.org/get-involved.html
> > > > > http://geronimo.apache.org/found-a-bug.html
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we should add similar version to our MyFaces homepage as
> > > > > well.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would also be very nice to have a page, that is similar to this
> > > > > as
> > > > well:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://geronimo.apache.org/events.html
> > > > >
> > > > > WDYT ?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Matthias
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > >
> > > > > further stuff:
> > > > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > I reject your reality and substitute my own
> > > > --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > >
> > > further stuff:
> > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > >
> > > Disclaimer:
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> > further stuff:
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> > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> I reject your reality and substitute my own
> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
--
Matthias Wessendorf
further stuff:
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org>.
UWC (Universal Wiki Converter) seems to be able to convert from moinmoin to
confluence:
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CONFEXT/Universal+Wiki+Converter
On 11/5/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I am using on cwiki on a daily base, and I like it more.
> But we need to convert the existing documentation, I am not really
> interested in that :-)
>
> -M
>
> On 11/5/07, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> >
> > >> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are
> using ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > > I don't like to use a commercial product for open-source development.
> > > In fact, this also counts for JIRA, but this decision has been felt.
> > >
> > ... except for my IDE where I didn't manage to be as productive with one
> > of the open-source one ;-)
> >
> > I am not sure if cwiki allows us to increase our productivity ... if it
> > does my argumentations stands small :-)
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Mario
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>
--
I reject your reality and substitute my own
--- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
I am using on cwiki on a daily base, and I like it more.
But we need to convert the existing documentation, I am not really
interested in that :-)
-M
On 11/5/07, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
>
> >> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are using ?
> >>
> >>
> > I don't like to use a commercial product for open-source development.
> > In fact, this also counts for JIRA, but this decision has been felt.
> >
> ... except for my IDE where I didn't manage to be as productive with one
> of the open-source one ;-)
>
> I am not sure if cwiki allows us to increase our productivity ... if it
> does my argumentations stands small :-)
>
> Ciao,
> Mario
>
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
further stuff:
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
>> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are using ?
>>
>>
> I don't like to use a commercial product for open-source development.
> In fact, this also counts for JIRA, but this decision has been felt.
>
... except for my IDE where I didn't manage to be as productive with one
of the open-source one ;-)
I am not sure if cwiki allows us to increase our productivity ... if it
does my argumentations stands small :-)
Ciao,
Mario
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Hi!
> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are using ?
>
I don't like to use a commercial product for open-source development.
In fact, this also counts for JIRA, but this decision has been felt.
Ciao,
Mario
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org>.
Reading the convertor info, looks like the person changing it will
need local access to it. Is there a backup one can use?
On Nov 7, 2007 12:35 PM, Manfred Geiler <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have no real problem with the look of our current wiki.
> But I like the look&feel of cwiki. So, if someone volunteers for setting up
> and converting I am
> +1
>
> --Manfred
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/7/07, Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As a fan of cwiki, +1 for sure. The wiki converter seems to be handy.
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2007 3:03 AM, Gabrielle Crawford
> > <ga...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > We use confluence in my group, and I definitely think it will increase
> > > productivity.
> > >
> > > I totally understand we want to support open source projects, so if
> > > there's an open source wiki system that's as good as confluence then
> > > great, let's use that. Otherwise I'm a +1 for switching to confluence.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Gabrielle
> > >
> > >
> > > Paul McMahan wrote:
> > > > Over the past couple of years the Geronimo project has discussed this
> > > > topic a lot. Now that discussion is settled and Confluence is used
> > > > for practically all of the project's user facing web pages - developer
> > > > wiki, user documentation, and the main project web site.
> > > >
> > > > As you know MoinMoin is an excellent open source product and was in
> > > > use by Geronimo. Confluence had many of the additional features that
> > > > were interesting such as deep integration with JIRA, extension
> > > > support, several export options, WYSIWYG editors, flexible security,
> > > > etc. The main issues for switching to Confluence were migration of
> > > > existing docs and infra's position on supporting it. Search for
> > > > "confluence" in the mail archives for some interesting discussions.
> > > > Here's one:
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Documentation-in-Confluence%2C-MoinMoin%2C-or..-tf961477s134.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now after using Confluence for a couple of years I am a strong
> > > > proponent of it. I think it's definitely worth taking a look at for
> > > > MyFaces. I would encourage the team to poke around the wiki, doc, and
> > > > main web site at geronimo.apache.org to see what they think about
> > > > Confluence. The main costs in switching to it are migrating the
> > > > existing content and learning how to use it. IMHO successfully
> > > > clearing both of these hurdles requires consensus and support of the
> > > > team at large. The Geronimo project was also fortunate enough to have
> > > > a couple of developers willing to champion that effort.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 5, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are
> > > >> using ?
> > > >>
> > > >> I am not really thrilled on doing the migration...
> > > >> But, what do other think about it ?
> > > >>
> > > >> -Matthias
> > > >>
> > > >> On 11/5/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> > > >>> Understandable, but currently the wiki does not really shine in
> > > >>> professionalism or modern looks. I stopped showing it to customers
> > > >>> after I
> > > >>> had a lot of negative feedback about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ron
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 11/5/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>> true,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I think we discussed that in the past;
> > > >>>> I am not really interested in converting the pages.
> > > >>>> So a tool is a must :-)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> But my point was just adding new pages to have a bit more on "get
> the
> > > >>>> community involved" and not doing a wiki overhaul.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -M
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 11/5/07, Scheper, Erik-Berndt < erik-berndt.scheper@sogeti.nl>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> I prefer the confluence wiki used by quite a few other apache
> > > >>>>> projects,
> > > >>>>> such as http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF/.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Erik-Berndt
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > >>>>> Van: mwessendorf@gmail.com [mailto: mwessendorf@gmail.com] Namens
> > > >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > >>>>> Verzonden: maandag 5 november 2007 8:23
> > > >>>>> Aan: MyFaces Development
> > > >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [site] new pages ?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think we will continue to use moin-moin wiki, which is
> OpenSource.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -Matthias
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 11/4/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Hi Matthias
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Looks real nice, but if we start doing pages like that could we
> > > >>>>>> please
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> do something about the styling of the wiki? Before adding more
> pages
> > > >>>>>> would it not be real nice if we had a nicer looking wiki? JSF is
> > > >>>>>> meant
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> to be a good framework to develop modern looking sites. should
> the
> > > >>>>>> wiki not reflect that?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Ron
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 11/4/07, Matthias Wessendorf < matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I found these two site:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/get-involved.html
> > > >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/found-a-bug.html
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I think we should add similar version to our MyFaces homepage as
> > > >>>>>>> well.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> It would also be very nice to have a page, that is similar to
> this
> > > >>>>>>> as
> > > >>>>>> well:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/events.html
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> WDYT ?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> -Matthias
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> further stuff:
> > > >>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > >>>>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
> > > >>>>>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> further stuff:
> > > >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > >>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Disclaimer:
> > > >>>>> This message contains information that may be privileged or
> > > >>>>> confidential
> > > >>> and is the property of Sogeti Nederland B.V. or its Group members.
> > > >>> It is
> > > >>> intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain,
> > > >>> copy,
> > > >>> disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If
> > > >>> you
> > > >>> receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately
> and
> > > >>> delete all copies of this message.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> further stuff:
> > > >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > >>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
> > > >>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > >>
> > > >> further stuff:
> > > >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > >> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.irian.at
> Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting,
> Development and Courses in English and
> German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
--
I reject your reality and substitute my own
--- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Manfred Geiler <ma...@gmail.com>.
I have no real problem with the look of our current wiki.
But I like the look&feel of cwiki. So, if someone volunteers for setting up
and converting I am
+1
--Manfred
On 11/7/07, Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As a fan of cwiki, +1 for sure. The wiki converter seems to be handy.
>
> On Nov 7, 2007 3:03 AM, Gabrielle Crawford
> <ga...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > We use confluence in my group, and I definitely think it will increase
> > productivity.
> >
> > I totally understand we want to support open source projects, so if
> > there's an open source wiki system that's as good as confluence then
> > great, let's use that. Otherwise I'm a +1 for switching to confluence.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gabrielle
> >
> >
> > Paul McMahan wrote:
> > > Over the past couple of years the Geronimo project has discussed this
> > > topic a lot. Now that discussion is settled and Confluence is used
> > > for practically all of the project's user facing web pages - developer
> > > wiki, user documentation, and the main project web site.
> > >
> > > As you know MoinMoin is an excellent open source product and was in
> > > use by Geronimo. Confluence had many of the additional features that
> > > were interesting such as deep integration with JIRA, extension
> > > support, several export options, WYSIWYG editors, flexible security,
> > > etc. The main issues for switching to Confluence were migration of
> > > existing docs and infra's position on supporting it. Search for
> > > "confluence" in the mail archives for some interesting discussions.
> > > Here's one:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Documentation-in-Confluence%2C-MoinMoin%2C-or..-tf961477s134.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Now after using Confluence for a couple of years I am a strong
> > > proponent of it. I think it's definitely worth taking a look at for
> > > MyFaces. I would encourage the team to poke around the wiki, doc, and
> > > main web site at geronimo.apache.org to see what they think about
> > > Confluence. The main costs in switching to it are migrating the
> > > existing content and learning how to use it. IMHO successfully
> > > clearing both of these hurdles requires consensus and support of the
> > > team at large. The Geronimo project was also fortunate enough to have
> > > a couple of developers willing to champion that effort.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Nov 5, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> > >
> > >> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are
> > >> using ?
> > >>
> > >> I am not really thrilled on doing the migration...
> > >> But, what do other think about it ?
> > >>
> > >> -Matthias
> > >>
> > >> On 11/5/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> > >>> Understandable, but currently the wiki does not really shine in
> > >>> professionalism or modern looks. I stopped showing it to customers
> > >>> after I
> > >>> had a lot of negative feedback about it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ron
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 11/5/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>> true,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think we discussed that in the past;
> > >>>> I am not really interested in converting the pages.
> > >>>> So a tool is a must :-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But my point was just adding new pages to have a bit more on "get
> the
> > >>>> community involved" and not doing a wiki overhaul.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -M
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 11/5/07, Scheper, Erik-Berndt <er...@sogeti.nl>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I prefer the confluence wiki used by quite a few other apache
> > >>>>> projects,
> > >>>>> such as http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF/.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Erik-Berndt
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > >>>>> Van: mwessendorf@gmail.com [mailto:mwessendorf@gmail.com] Namens
> > >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> > >>>>> Verzonden: maandag 5 november 2007 8:23
> > >>>>> Aan: MyFaces Development
> > >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [site] new pages ?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think we will continue to use moin-moin wiki, which is
> OpenSource.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -Matthias
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 11/4/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi Matthias
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Looks real nice, but if we start doing pages like that could we
> > >>>>>> please
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> do something about the styling of the wiki? Before adding more
> pages
> > >>>>>> would it not be real nice if we had a nicer looking wiki? JSF is
> > >>>>>> meant
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> to be a good framework to develop modern looking sites. should
> the
> > >>>>>> wiki not reflect that?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ron
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 11/4/07, Matthias Wessendorf < matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I found these two site:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/get-involved.html
> > >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/found-a-bug.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think we should add similar version to our MyFaces homepage as
> > >>>>>>> well.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It would also be very nice to have a page, that is similar to
> this
> > >>>>>>> as
> > >>>>>> well:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/events.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> WDYT ?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -Matthias
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> further stuff:
> > >>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > >>>>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
> > >>>>>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> further stuff:
> > >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > >>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Disclaimer:
> > >>>>> This message contains information that may be privileged or
> > >>>>> confidential
> > >>> and is the property of Sogeti Nederland B.V. or its Group members.
> > >>> It is
> > >>> intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not
> > >>> the
> > >>> intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain,
> > >>> copy,
> > >>> disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If
> > >>> you
> > >>> receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately
> and
> > >>> delete all copies of this message.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> > >>>>
> > >>>> further stuff:
> > >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > >>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
> > >>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > >>
> > >> further stuff:
> > >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > >> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > >
> >
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting,
Development and Courses in English and
German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>.
As a fan of cwiki, +1 for sure. The wiki converter seems to be handy.
On Nov 7, 2007 3:03 AM, Gabrielle Crawford
<ga...@oracle.com> wrote:
> We use confluence in my group, and I definitely think it will increase
> productivity.
>
> I totally understand we want to support open source projects, so if
> there's an open source wiki system that's as good as confluence then
> great, let's use that. Otherwise I'm a +1 for switching to confluence.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gabrielle
>
>
> Paul McMahan wrote:
> > Over the past couple of years the Geronimo project has discussed this
> > topic a lot. Now that discussion is settled and Confluence is used
> > for practically all of the project's user facing web pages - developer
> > wiki, user documentation, and the main project web site.
> >
> > As you know MoinMoin is an excellent open source product and was in
> > use by Geronimo. Confluence had many of the additional features that
> > were interesting such as deep integration with JIRA, extension
> > support, several export options, WYSIWYG editors, flexible security,
> > etc. The main issues for switching to Confluence were migration of
> > existing docs and infra's position on supporting it. Search for
> > "confluence" in the mail archives for some interesting discussions.
> > Here's one:
> >
> > http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Documentation-in-Confluence%2C-MoinMoin%2C-or..-tf961477s134.html
> >
> >
> > Now after using Confluence for a couple of years I am a strong
> > proponent of it. I think it's definitely worth taking a look at for
> > MyFaces. I would encourage the team to poke around the wiki, doc, and
> > main web site at geronimo.apache.org to see what they think about
> > Confluence. The main costs in switching to it are migrating the
> > existing content and learning how to use it. IMHO successfully
> > clearing both of these hurdles requires consensus and support of the
> > team at large. The Geronimo project was also fortunate enough to have
> > a couple of developers willing to champion that effort.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Paul
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> >
> >> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are
> >> using ?
> >>
> >> I am not really thrilled on doing the migration...
> >> But, what do other think about it ?
> >>
> >> -Matthias
> >>
> >> On 11/5/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> >>> Understandable, but currently the wiki does not really shine in
> >>> professionalism or modern looks. I stopped showing it to customers
> >>> after I
> >>> had a lot of negative feedback about it.
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/5/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>> true,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we discussed that in the past;
> >>>> I am not really interested in converting the pages.
> >>>> So a tool is a must :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> But my point was just adding new pages to have a bit more on "get the
> >>>> community involved" and not doing a wiki overhaul.
> >>>>
> >>>> -M
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/5/07, Scheper, Erik-Berndt <er...@sogeti.nl>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> I prefer the confluence wiki used by quite a few other apache
> >>>>> projects,
> >>>>> such as http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF/.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Erik-Berndt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >>>>> Van: mwessendorf@gmail.com [mailto:mwessendorf@gmail.com] Namens
> >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>>> Verzonden: maandag 5 november 2007 8:23
> >>>>> Aan: MyFaces Development
> >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [site] new pages ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think we will continue to use moin-moin wiki, which is OpenSource.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Matthias
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 11/4/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Matthias
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looks real nice, but if we start doing pages like that could we
> >>>>>> please
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> do something about the styling of the wiki? Before adding more pages
> >>>>>> would it not be real nice if we had a nicer looking wiki? JSF is
> >>>>>> meant
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> to be a good framework to develop modern looking sites. should the
> >>>>>> wiki not reflect that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ron
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/4/07, Matthias Wessendorf < matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I found these two site:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/get-involved.html
> >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/found-a-bug.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think we should add similar version to our MyFaces homepage as
> >>>>>>> well.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It would also be very nice to have a page, that is similar to this
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>> well:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/events.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> WDYT ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Matthias
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> further stuff:
> >>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
> >>>>>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>>>
> >>>>> further stuff:
> >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Disclaimer:
> >>>>> This message contains information that may be privileged or
> >>>>> confidential
> >>> and is the property of Sogeti Nederland B.V. or its Group members.
> >>> It is
> >>> intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not
> >>> the
> >>> intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain,
> >>> copy,
> >>> disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If
> >>> you
> >>> receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and
> >>> delete all copies of this message.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>>
> >>>> further stuff:
> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
> >>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>
> >> further stuff:
> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> >
>
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Gabrielle Crawford <ga...@oracle.com>.
We use confluence in my group, and I definitely think it will increase
productivity.
I totally understand we want to support open source projects, so if
there's an open source wiki system that's as good as confluence then
great, let's use that. Otherwise I'm a +1 for switching to confluence.
Thanks,
Gabrielle
Paul McMahan wrote:
> Over the past couple of years the Geronimo project has discussed this
> topic a lot. Now that discussion is settled and Confluence is used
> for practically all of the project's user facing web pages - developer
> wiki, user documentation, and the main project web site.
>
> As you know MoinMoin is an excellent open source product and was in
> use by Geronimo. Confluence had many of the additional features that
> were interesting such as deep integration with JIRA, extension
> support, several export options, WYSIWYG editors, flexible security,
> etc. The main issues for switching to Confluence were migration of
> existing docs and infra's position on supporting it. Search for
> "confluence" in the mail archives for some interesting discussions.
> Here's one:
>
> http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Documentation-in-Confluence%2C-MoinMoin%2C-or..-tf961477s134.html
>
>
> Now after using Confluence for a couple of years I am a strong
> proponent of it. I think it's definitely worth taking a look at for
> MyFaces. I would encourage the team to poke around the wiki, doc, and
> main web site at geronimo.apache.org to see what they think about
> Confluence. The main costs in switching to it are migrating the
> existing content and learning how to use it. IMHO successfully
> clearing both of these hurdles requires consensus and support of the
> team at large. The Geronimo project was also fortunate enough to have
> a couple of developers willing to champion that effort.
>
> Best wishes,
> Paul
>
> On Nov 5, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>
>> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are
>> using ?
>>
>> I am not really thrilled on doing the migration...
>> But, what do other think about it ?
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> On 11/5/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
>>> Understandable, but currently the wiki does not really shine in
>>> professionalism or modern looks. I stopped showing it to customers
>>> after I
>>> had a lot of negative feedback about it.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/5/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> true,
>>>>
>>>> I think we discussed that in the past;
>>>> I am not really interested in converting the pages.
>>>> So a tool is a must :-)
>>>>
>>>> But my point was just adding new pages to have a bit more on "get the
>>>> community involved" and not doing a wiki overhaul.
>>>>
>>>> -M
>>>>
>>>> On 11/5/07, Scheper, Erik-Berndt <er...@sogeti.nl>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I prefer the confluence wiki used by quite a few other apache
>>>>> projects,
>>>>> such as http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF/.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Erik-Berndt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>>> Van: mwessendorf@gmail.com [mailto:mwessendorf@gmail.com] Namens
>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>> Verzonden: maandag 5 november 2007 8:23
>>>>> Aan: MyFaces Development
>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [site] new pages ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we will continue to use moin-moin wiki, which is OpenSource.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/4/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks real nice, but if we start doing pages like that could we
>>>>>> please
>>>>>
>>>>>> do something about the styling of the wiki? Before adding more pages
>>>>>> would it not be real nice if we had a nicer looking wiki? JSF is
>>>>>> meant
>>>>>
>>>>>> to be a good framework to develop modern looking sites. should the
>>>>>> wiki not reflect that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/4/07, Matthias Wessendorf < matzew@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found these two site:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/get-involved.html
>>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/found-a-bug.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we should add similar version to our MyFaces homepage as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would also be very nice to have a page, that is similar to this
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>> well:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/events.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> further stuff:
>>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
>>>>>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>
>>>>> further stuff:
>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>>>>
>>>>> Disclaimer:
>>>>> This message contains information that may be privileged or
>>>>> confidential
>>> and is the property of Sogeti Nederland B.V. or its Group members.
>>> It is
>>> intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not
>>> the
>>> intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain,
>>> copy,
>>> disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If
>>> you
>>> receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and
>>> delete all copies of this message.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>
>>>> further stuff:
>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
>>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> further stuff:
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>
Re: New wiki ? (was Re: [site] new pages ?)
Posted by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>.
Over the past couple of years the Geronimo project has discussed this
topic a lot. Now that discussion is settled and Confluence is used
for practically all of the project's user facing web pages -
developer wiki, user documentation, and the main project web site.
As you know MoinMoin is an excellent open source product and was in
use by Geronimo. Confluence had many of the additional features that
were interesting such as deep integration with JIRA, extension
support, several export options, WYSIWYG editors, flexible security,
etc. The main issues for switching to Confluence were migration of
existing docs and infra's position on supporting it. Search for
"confluence" in the mail archives for some interesting discussions.
Here's one:
http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Documentation-in-Confluence%2C-
MoinMoin%2C-or..-tf961477s134.html
Now after using Confluence for a couple of years I am a strong
proponent of it. I think it's definitely worth taking a look at for
MyFaces. I would encourage the team to poke around the wiki, doc,
and main web site at geronimo.apache.org to see what they think about
Confluence. The main costs in switching to it are migrating the
existing content and learning how to use it. IMHO successfully
clearing both of these hurdles requires consensus and support of the
team at large. The Geronimo project was also fortunate enough to
have a couple of developers willing to champion that effort.
Best wishes,
Paul
On Nov 5, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> Do we want to "migrate" to the cwiki, that some Apache projects are
> using ?
>
> I am not really thrilled on doing the migration...
> But, what do other think about it ?
>
> -Matthias
>
> On 11/5/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
>> Understandable, but currently the wiki does not really shine in
>> professionalism or modern looks. I stopped showing it to customers
>> after I
>> had a lot of negative feedback about it.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> On 11/5/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> true,
>>>
>>> I think we discussed that in the past;
>>> I am not really interested in converting the pages.
>>> So a tool is a must :-)
>>>
>>> But my point was just adding new pages to have a bit more on "get
>>> the
>>> community involved" and not doing a wiki overhaul.
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>> On 11/5/07, Scheper, Erik-Berndt <er...@sogeti.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I prefer the confluence wiki used by quite a few other apache
>>>> projects,
>>>> such as http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF/.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Erik-Berndt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>> Van: mwessendorf@gmail.com [mailto:mwessendorf@gmail.com] Namens
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>> Verzonden: maandag 5 november 2007 8:23
>>>> Aan: MyFaces Development
>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [site] new pages ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think we will continue to use moin-moin wiki, which is
>>>> OpenSource.
>>>>
>>>> -Matthias
>>>>
>>>> On 11/4/07, Ron Smits <ro...@ronsmits.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks real nice, but if we start doing pages like that could we
>>>>> please
>>>>
>>>>> do something about the styling of the wiki? Before adding more
>>>>> pages
>>>>> would it not be real nice if we had a nicer looking wiki? JSF
>>>>> is meant
>>>>
>>>>> to be a good framework to develop modern looking sites. should the
>>>>> wiki not reflect that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/4/07, Matthias Wessendorf < matzew@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found these two site:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/get-involved.html
>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/found-a-bug.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we should add similar version to our MyFaces homepage as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would also be very nice to have a page, that is similar to
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> as
>>>>> well:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/events.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> further stuff:
>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
>>>>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>
>>>> further stuff:
>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>>>
>>>> Disclaimer:
>>>> This message contains information that may be privileged or
>>>> confidential
>> and is the property of Sogeti Nederland B.V. or its Group members.
>> It is
>> intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are
>> not the
>> intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain,
>> copy,
>> disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof.
>> If you
>> receive this message in error, please notify the sender
>> immediately and
>> delete all copies of this message.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>
>>> further stuff:
>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> I reject your reality and substitute my own
>> --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org