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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> on 2010/12/01 23:15:49 UTC
I think individuals need SGAs
I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think
that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've
delivered to podlings is not right.
I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at.
As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting
rights to pre-existing IP.
The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions.
When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it
is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the
historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further
contributions to the code in the incubator.
Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to
the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by
SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of
individual SGAs.
--benson
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Re: I think individuals need SGAs
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
To my pleasant surprise, Sam replied on legal-discuss that an icla is
just fine -- though it's better if the person signing it actually
reads it first. I plan to make some more tweaks to the web site to
places that seem to say the opposite.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't even know which mailing list gets commit notifies of infra web
> site edits.
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Craig L Russell
> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> Hi Benson,
>>
>> I didn't see your edit. I might not be subscribed to the right list (yet).
>>
>> You are right. A pre-existing code base is not covered by an ICLA. A grant
>> is needed.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>>> I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think
>>> that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've
>>> delivered to podlings is not right.
>>>
>>> I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at.
>>>
>>> As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting
>>> rights to pre-existing IP.
>>>
>>> The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions.
>>>
>>> When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it
>>> is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the
>>> historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further
>>> contributions to the code in the incubator.
>>>
>>> Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to
>>> the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by
>>> SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of
>>> individual SGAs.
>>>
>>> --benson
>>>
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>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
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Re: I think individuals need SGAs
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
I don't even know which mailing list gets commit notifies of infra web
site edits.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Craig L Russell
<cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
> Hi Benson,
>
> I didn't see your edit. I might not be subscribed to the right list (yet).
>
> You are right. A pre-existing code base is not covered by an ICLA. A grant
> is needed.
>
> Craig
>
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think
>> that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've
>> delivered to podlings is not right.
>>
>> I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at.
>>
>> As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting
>> rights to pre-existing IP.
>>
>> The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions.
>>
>> When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it
>> is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the
>> historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further
>> contributions to the code in the incubator.
>>
>> Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to
>> the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by
>> SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of
>> individual SGAs.
>>
>> --benson
>>
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>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
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Re: I think individuals need SGAs
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
Hi Benson,
I didn't see your edit. I might not be subscribed to the right list
(yet).
You are right. A pre-existing code base is not covered by an ICLA. A
grant is needed.
Craig
On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think
> that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've
> delivered to podlings is not right.
>
> I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at.
>
> As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting
> rights to pre-existing IP.
>
> The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions.
>
> When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it
> is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the
> historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further
> contributions to the code in the incubator.
>
> Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to
> the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by
> SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of
> individual SGAs.
>
> --benson
>
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Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
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Re: I think individuals need SGAs
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
Hey hey,
I definitely understand the reasoning. Hmm. I think the way to look at it is, "it depends, but do whatever is needed to allow apache liberal rights to sublicense all the IP to it's users".
The second way to look at it is that logic and legal stuff are not always as closely connected as you might think...so I think this really is something to run by legal-discuss / whoever designed the process (Roy?), people like me just regurgitate what they learned before :)
cheerio,
Leo
On Dec 1, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think
> that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've
> delivered to podlings is not right.
>
> I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at.
>
> As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting
> rights to pre-existing IP.
>
> The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions.
>
> When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it
> is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the
> historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further
> contributions to the code in the incubator.
>
> Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to
> the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by
> SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of
> individual SGAs.
>
> --benson
>
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