ntwin32.mak dependency

[Tor-Einar Jarnbjo <To...@Jarnbjo.de>]

Hi,

when building Harmony on Windows, the makefile in 
native-src\win.IA32\makefile includes ntwin32.mak. Could it be that this 
"utility" file is only included with the commercial versions of Visual 
C++/Studio? If so, and if this is the only dependency on the commercial 
version, would it be easily feasible for someone to replace the file 
with someone else, making it possible to compile Harmony with the freely 
available MS C++ compiler and nmake? Or is it just something here, that 
I haven't understood?

Tor

Re: ntwin32.mak dependency

[Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>]

When I was trying to use the free tool chain, I had to go find a 
replacement for ml, since it wasn't available anymore from MSFT (that I 
could find).

I think one good thing here is to try the GCC toolchain and see how far 
we get...  then it's "free as in beer" as well as "free as in not having 
rights to your innovations" ;)

geir


Paulex Yang wrote:
> Hi,  Tor
> 
> Personally I think you are right that we need commercial version of VC, 
> but AFAIK, the dependency is not ntwin32.mak(which is included in MS 
> Platform SDK, which can be freely downloaded from MS's website), but 
> some other utilities, such as the ml.exe to make .asm codes. I tried 
> platform SDK, .NET SDK, and vctoolkit from MS, but all these free tools 
> don't include the ml.exe. Ideas?
> 
> Tor-Einar Jarnbjo:
>> Hi,
>>
>> when building Harmony on Windows, the makefile in 
>> native-src\win.IA32\makefile includes ntwin32.mak. Could it be that 
>> this "utility" file is only included with the commercial versions of 
>> Visual C++/Studio? If so, and if this is the only dependency on the 
>> commercial version, would it be easily feasible for someone to replace 
>> the file with someone else, making it possible to compile Harmony with 
>> the freely available MS C++ compiler and nmake? Or is it just 
>> something here, that I haven't understood?
>>
>> Tor
>>
>>
> 
> 

Re: ntwin32.mak dependency

[Paulex Yang <pa...@gmail.com>]

Hi,  Tor

Personally I think you are right that we need commercial version of VC, 
but AFAIK, the dependency is not ntwin32.mak(which is included in MS 
Platform SDK, which can be freely downloaded from MS's website), but 
some other utilities, such as the ml.exe to make .asm codes. I tried 
platform SDK, .NET SDK, and vctoolkit from MS, but all these free tools 
don't include the ml.exe. Ideas?

Tor-Einar Jarnbjo:
> Hi,
>
> when building Harmony on Windows, the makefile in 
> native-src\win.IA32\makefile includes ntwin32.mak. Could it be that 
> this "utility" file is only included with the commercial versions of 
> Visual C++/Studio? If so, and if this is the only dependency on the 
> commercial version, would it be easily feasible for someone to replace 
> the file with someone else, making it possible to compile Harmony with 
> the freely available MS C++ compiler and nmake? Or is it just 
> something here, that I haven't understood?
>
> Tor
>
>


-- 
Paulex Yang
China Software Development Lab
IBM

Re: ntwin32.mak dependency

[Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>]

Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr schrieb:
> 
>> Please, feel free to take a whack at it.  Just don't break us that are 
>> using the non-free toolchain.
> 
> I was just curious if I was doing something wrong and generally the 
> opinion, that it would make sense to not require a rather expensive 
> compiler suite to build the Harmony VM. 

We had this discussion a while ago - yes, we want to be able to support 
the free toolchains.  However, the stuff we have was developed by people 
using the non-free toolchains.

No one is stopping it - someone needs to volunteer.


I am not sure however if I can
> be of much help fixing the issue. I haven't been writing much C for 
> several years and honestly have no clue what is necessary to tweek the 
> source to be buildable by other compilers.

Well, I've never done a JVM and runtime library before, but here I am. 
Jump in.

geir

Re: ntwin32.mak dependency

[Tor-Einar Jarnbjo <To...@Jarnbjo.de>]

Geir Magnusson Jr schrieb:

> Please, feel free to take a whack at it.  Just don't break us that are 
> using the non-free toolchain.

I was just curious if I was doing something wrong and generally the 
opinion, that it would make sense to not require a rather expensive 
compiler suite to build the Harmony VM. I am not sure however if I can 
be of much help fixing the issue. I haven't been writing much C for 
several years and honestly have no clue what is necessary to tweek the 
source to be buildable by other compilers.

Tor

Re: ntwin32.mak dependency

[Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>]

That could very well be the case.  I had trouble building as well with 
the free tool chain from MSFT - I now use the non-free one.

Please, feel free to take a whack at it.  Just don't break us that are 
using the non-free toolchain.

The more we can support the better...

geir


Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> when building Harmony on Windows, the makefile in 
> native-src\win.IA32\makefile includes ntwin32.mak. Could it be that this 
> "utility" file is only included with the commercial versions of Visual 
> C++/Studio? If so, and if this is the only dependency on the commercial 
> version, would it be easily feasible for someone to replace the file 
> with someone else, making it possible to compile Harmony with the freely 
> available MS C++ compiler and nmake? Or is it just something here, that 
> I haven't understood?
> 
> Tor
> 
>