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Posted to dev@shiro.apache.org by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> on 2009/03/24 15:33:25 UTC
Mods to build structure
I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven compliant now -
proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
important to my project at work and I can't really do that until the ki
codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you have any
objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've discussed this
in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while now).
Thanks,
Les
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <al...@gmail.com>.
Just a reminder, you cannot deploy snapshots until we get our name
straightened out.
Regards,
Alan
On Mar 24, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Oh wow - I had no idea they had Nexus up and running yet. I knew
> they were
> talking about setting it up on the infrastructure list, but I didn't
> know
> how far they had gotten. Sweet!
>
> Thanks very much for the update. I love Nexus (use it at work), so
> this
> will be a nice change.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Les
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey Les,
>>
>> AFAIK, the new Apache snapshot repo is at
>> http://repository.apache.org/snapshots (a Nexus instance), deploying
>> snapshots to people.apache.org is deprecated. More information at
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1896.
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Les Hazlewood
>> <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Quick question for the Mentors (or anyone that might know):
>>>
>>> Now that we have a standard Maven build, how do I deploy snapshots
>>> to the
>>> people.apache.org locations? I don't see any <deploymentManagement>
>>> information listed here: http://www.apache.org/dev/repository-faq.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Les Hazlewood
>>> <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the
>>>> 'sprhib'
>>>> Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be
>> added
>>> to
>>>> that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be
>> working
>>>> fine now.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven
>>>>> compliant
>> now
>>> -
>>>>> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today
>>>>> that is
>>>>> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until
>>>>> the
>> ki
>>>>> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you
>>>>> have
>> any
>>>>> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've
>>>>> discussed
>>> this
>>>>> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while
>> now).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I've been thinking about that. I've responded to the poster about our name
'Ki', and have not received any feedback. I think it is perfectly fine to
retain the name 'Ki'. In any event, just calling it 'Apache Ki' as the
official name should be very clear that we're not involved in Stocks-related
software...
And yes, I know I can't deploy snapshots yet - I was just preparing so when
we are allowed to, we can just 'flip the switch' so to speak.
Cheers,
Les
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Just a reminder, you cannot deploy snapshots until we get our name
> straightened out.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
> Oh wow - I had no idea they had Nexus up and running yet. I knew they
>> were
>> talking about setting it up on the infrastructure list, but I didn't know
>> how far they had gotten. Sweet!
>>
>> Thanks very much for the update. I love Nexus (use it at work), so this
>> will be a nice change.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Hey Les,
>>>
>>> AFAIK, the new Apache snapshot repo is at
>>> http://repository.apache.org/snapshots (a Nexus instance), deploying
>>> snapshots to people.apache.org is deprecated. More information at
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1896.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Quick question for the Mentors (or anyone that might know):
>>>>
>>>> Now that we have a standard Maven build, how do I deploy snapshots to
>>>> the
>>>> people.apache.org locations? I don't see any <deploymentManagement>
>>>> information listed here: http://www.apache.org/dev/repository-faq.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the 'sprhib'
>>>>> Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be
>>>>>
>>>> added
>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be
>>>>>
>>>> working
>>>
>>>> fine now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven compliant
>>>>>>
>>>>> now
>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
>>>>>> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until the
>>>>>>
>>>>> ki
>>>
>>>> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you have
>>>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>
>>>> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've discussed
>>>>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while
>>>>>>
>>>>> now).
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <al...@gmail.com>.
Just a reminder, you cannot deploy snapshots until we get our name
straightened out.
Regards,
Alan
On Mar 24, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Oh wow - I had no idea they had Nexus up and running yet. I knew
> they were
> talking about setting it up on the infrastructure list, but I didn't
> know
> how far they had gotten. Sweet!
>
> Thanks very much for the update. I love Nexus (use it at work), so
> this
> will be a nice change.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Les
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey Les,
>>
>> AFAIK, the new Apache snapshot repo is at
>> http://repository.apache.org/snapshots (a Nexus instance), deploying
>> snapshots to people.apache.org is deprecated. More information at
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1896.
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Les Hazlewood
>> <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Quick question for the Mentors (or anyone that might know):
>>>
>>> Now that we have a standard Maven build, how do I deploy snapshots
>>> to the
>>> people.apache.org locations? I don't see any <deploymentManagement>
>>> information listed here: http://www.apache.org/dev/repository-faq.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Les Hazlewood
>>> <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the
>>>> 'sprhib'
>>>> Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be
>> added
>>> to
>>>> that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be
>> working
>>>> fine now.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven
>>>>> compliant
>> now
>>> -
>>>>> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today
>>>>> that is
>>>>> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until
>>>>> the
>> ki
>>>>> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you
>>>>> have
>> any
>>>>> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've
>>>>> discussed
>>> this
>>>>> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while
>> now).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Oh wow - I had no idea they had Nexus up and running yet. I knew they were
talking about setting it up on the infrastructure list, but I didn't know
how far they had gotten. Sweet!
Thanks very much for the update. I love Nexus (use it at work), so this
will be a nice change.
Cheers,
Les
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hey Les,
>
> AFAIK, the new Apache snapshot repo is at
> http://repository.apache.org/snapshots (a Nexus instance), deploying
> snapshots to people.apache.org is deprecated. More information at
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1896.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Quick question for the Mentors (or anyone that might know):
> >
> > Now that we have a standard Maven build, how do I deploy snapshots to the
> > people.apache.org locations? I don't see any <deploymentManagement>
> > information listed here: http://www.apache.org/dev/repository-faq.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Les
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the 'sprhib'
> > > Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be
> added
> > to
> > > that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be
> working
> > > fine now.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven compliant
> now
> > -
> > >> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
> > >> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until the
> ki
> > >> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you have
> any
> > >> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've discussed
> > this
> > >> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while
> now).
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Les
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Hey Les,
AFAIK, the new Apache snapshot repo is at
http://repository.apache.org/snapshots (a Nexus instance), deploying
snapshots to people.apache.org is deprecated. More information at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1896.
Kalle
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
> Quick question for the Mentors (or anyone that might know):
>
> Now that we have a standard Maven build, how do I deploy snapshots to the
> people.apache.org locations? I don't see any <deploymentManagement>
> information listed here: http://www.apache.org/dev/repository-faq.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Les
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
> >wrote:
>
> > All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the 'sprhib'
> > Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be added
> to
> > that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be working
> > fine now.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven compliant now
> -
> >> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
> >> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until the ki
> >> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you have any
> >> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've discussed
> this
> >> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while now).
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Les
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Quick question for the Mentors (or anyone that might know):
Now that we have a standard Maven build, how do I deploy snapshots to the
people.apache.org locations? I don't see any <deploymentManagement>
information listed here: http://www.apache.org/dev/repository-faq.html
Thanks,
Les
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
> All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the 'sprhib'
> Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be added to
> that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be working
> fine now.
>
> Regards,
>
> Les
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven compliant now -
>> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
>> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until the ki
>> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you have any
>> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've discussed this
>> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while now).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Les
>>
>
>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@apache.org>.
>>> Where did the Ant build files go? Where are the IntelliJ files?
>>
>>
>> (I know nothing but) I thought the idea was to move to Maven. IDE
>> project
>> files for IntelliJ, Eclipse etc. can be generated via Maven. You can use
>> "mvn idea:idea" to generate the project files for IDEA (
>> http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-idea-plugin/), but I think the
>> newest
>> version has a pretty good support for Maven built-in.
>
> There was tremendous push back on getting rid of the IDEA files that
> were checked in and, so, we need to collect a community consensus
> before we remove them; don't get me wrong I want to get rid of them
> and I think, like you, that they are superfluous.
Also I forgot to mention that we have to update the web site to mention
that the IDE specific files have been removed, and how to create them
(probably in the 'source' part of the project). Don't get for granted
that users or developpers know that 'mvn eclipse:eclipse' will generate
all the .classpath and .project for the projet :)
--
--
cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
directory.apache.org
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
Does loading the pom up also keep metadata related to Spring and
Hibernate facet configuration? If not, it's not a substitute for
keeping the project files in SVN.
On Mar 25, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:07 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>> I removed the Ant build files because I was fairly certain that
>> there was
>> consensus to move to Maven going forward. Those not too particular
>> to Maven
>> didn't mind so much since our build is a relatively simple one and
>> we don't
>> need any 'crazy' Maven customization.
>>
>> On the IntelliJ files: I *thought* I did not commit their removal,
>> going so
>> far as to tell my IDE to ignore them from showing up in the file list
>> completely. If they are completely removed from the project, that
>> was not
>> my intention at all and would have been due to my error. If that
>> happened I
>> apologize.
>>
>> Jeremy or Tim, can you please run mvn idea:idea and tell me if that
>> is to
>> your liking? If so, we can just generate those and commit them to
>> SVN
>> pending final group consensus as to whether or not they should be
>> in RCS...
>
> Thanks Les.
>
> Jeremy and Tim, if you have IntelliJ 8.x you can load the POMs
> directly.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <al...@gmail.com>.
On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:07 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> I removed the Ant build files because I was fairly certain that
> there was
> consensus to move to Maven going forward. Those not too particular
> to Maven
> didn't mind so much since our build is a relatively simple one and
> we don't
> need any 'crazy' Maven customization.
>
> On the IntelliJ files: I *thought* I did not commit their removal,
> going so
> far as to tell my IDE to ignore them from showing up in the file list
> completely. If they are completely removed from the project, that
> was not
> my intention at all and would have been due to my error. If that
> happened I
> apologize.
>
> Jeremy or Tim, can you please run mvn idea:idea and tell me if that
> is to
> your liking? If so, we can just generate those and commit them to SVN
> pending final group consensus as to whether or not they should be in
> RCS...
Thanks Les.
Jeremy and Tim, if you have IntelliJ 8.x you can load the POMs directly.
Regards,
Alan
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I removed the Ant build files because I was fairly certain that there was
consensus to move to Maven going forward. Those not too particular to Maven
didn't mind so much since our build is a relatively simple one and we don't
need any 'crazy' Maven customization.
On the IntelliJ files: I *thought* I did not commit their removal, going so
far as to tell my IDE to ignore them from showing up in the file list
completely. If they are completely removed from the project, that was not
my intention at all and would have been due to my error. If that happened I
apologize.
Jeremy or Tim, can you please run mvn idea:idea and tell me if that is to
your liking? If so, we can just generate those and commit them to SVN
pending final group consensus as to whether or not they should be in RCS...
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> On Mar 24, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <alan.cabrera@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Where did the Ant build files go? Where are the IntelliJ files?
>>>
>>
>>
>> (I know nothing but) I thought the idea was to move to Maven. IDE project
>> files for IntelliJ, Eclipse etc. can be generated via Maven. You can use
>> "mvn idea:idea" to generate the project files for IDEA (
>> http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-idea-plugin/), but I think the
>> newest
>> version has a pretty good support for Maven built-in.
>>
>
> There was tremendous push back on getting rid of the IDEA files that were
> checked in and, so, we need to collect a community consensus before we
> remove them; don't get me wrong I want to get rid of them and I think, like
> you, that they are superfluous.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the 'sprhib'
>>>
>>>> Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be added
>>>> to
>>>> that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be
>>>> working
>>>> fine now.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven compliant now
>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
>>>>> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until the ki
>>>>> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you have
>>>>> any
>>>>> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've discussed
>>>>> this
>>>>> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while now).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
>
>
> Regarding the ant files, the best would have been to get a bit more formal
>> approval at some point (well, a vote), but again, I don't see that as an big
>> mistake to have done the switch from ant to maven as we already lengthly
>> discussed this matter last year.
>>
>
> Discussion, yes. Consensus, no.
>
> Look, I would love to just keep my mouth shut, especially since things are
> going my way, but this is the Incubator and I think we're all overlooking
> that there are community issues that are being overlooked for the sake of
> expediency, i.e. code is being held as the priority over community. This
> isn't the ASF way.
This is entirely my fault. I remember talking to Jeremy and Tim and Peter a
month or two ago, and based on your comments, I now realize it must have
been off-list (phone? I can't remember now). They basically agreed that
the move to Maven would be ok since our project was not complicated and they
wouldn't have to worry about custom plugins or anything like that (which
might have been a deterrent to using Maven for them otherwise).
So, based on previous list discussion, plus these now-apparent external
discussions, I made the change with the knowledge that it would be OK by
everyone on the team. I talk with some of these guys off-list quite
frequently (phone call, IM) as they are my friends, and mostly the
conversations aren't about software or ASF or these types of things.
Sometimes some JSecurity stuff slips in to the discussions though. This one
time however it didn't occur to me that the Maven consensus was not on the
dev list.
I make a lot of efforts to tell people to put _everything_ on the list,
especially people new to the community or people contacting me for private
help because I *do* in all sincerity understand why it needs to be so. This
one particular instance slipped passed me I guess since the conversation was
quite a while ago - I just forgot.
So, I apologize for the confusion, and I hopefully will remember where my
discussions are so I can ensure there is a record in an open forum to avoid
these things in the future. This is the first such occurence that I know
of, so I think I've been doing well thus far. Its just sometimes these
things blur when you talk with people off list regularly.
My apologies,
Les
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <al...@gmail.com>.
On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:01 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
>
>>>> Where did the Ant build files go? Where are the IntelliJ files?
>>>
>>>
>>> (I know nothing but) I thought the idea was to move to Maven. IDE
>>> project
>>> files for IntelliJ, Eclipse etc. can be generated via Maven. You
>>> can use
>>> "mvn idea:idea" to generate the project files for IDEA (
>>> http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-idea-plugin/), but I think
>>> the newest
>>> version has a pretty good support for Maven built-in.
>>
>> There was tremendous push back on getting rid of the IDEA files
>> that were checked in and, so, we need to collect a community
>> consensus before we remove them; don't get me wrong I want to get
>> rid of them and I think, like you, that they are superfluous.
> Well, I won't be that cautious in this case. We all know that Maven
> can generate those files, so there is ne need to keep them around.
As I mentioned above we all understood that the IDEA files were
superfluous and yet other developers insisted that they be kept
around. There's no difference between me just moving forward and
deleting them myself earlier this year and Les doing it now; if the
former were done there would have been a riot. The point is that it
is a very well know point of contention and it should have been
resolved before any action is done. One can't just blow past a
community problem just because *one* of the members changed his mind.
> Regarding the ant files, the best would have been to get a bit more
> formal approval at some point (well, a vote), but again, I don't see
> that as an big mistake to have done the switch from ant to maven as
> we already lengthly discussed this matter last year.
Discussion, yes. Consensus, no.
Look, I would love to just keep my mouth shut, especially since things
are going my way, but this is the Incubator and I think we're all
overlooking that there are community issues that are being overlooked
for the sake of expediency, i.e. code is being held as the priority
over community. This isn't the ASF way.
> Basically, my personal opinion is that, yes, it's a good practice to
> ask the list for such moves before doing so. That's help new comers
> to feel like they are part of the community. It gives them the
> feeling we are a community, not a bunch of developper deciding to
> change some code because you need it or think it's good for the
> project. I think that's the message Alan want to transmit here.
>
> If you don't have time (for instance because you need a quick
> version to be cut), then it's probably better to do it in a branch.
> Then when the community has catched up and agreed with your points,
> then the branch can be merged into the trunk.
The above comments are spot on for general development. Thanks
Emmanuel.
> Anyway, the Maven move was a good move.
Agreed!
Regards,
Alan
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@apache.org>.
>>> Where did the Ant build files go? Where are the IntelliJ files?
>>
>>
>> (I know nothing but) I thought the idea was to move to Maven. IDE
>> project
>> files for IntelliJ, Eclipse etc. can be generated via Maven. You can use
>> "mvn idea:idea" to generate the project files for IDEA (
>> http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-idea-plugin/), but I think the
>> newest
>> version has a pretty good support for Maven built-in.
>
> There was tremendous push back on getting rid of the IDEA files that
> were checked in and, so, we need to collect a community consensus
> before we remove them; don't get me wrong I want to get rid of them
> and I think, like you, that they are superfluous.
Well, I won't be that cautious in this case. We all know that Maven can
generate those files, so there is ne need to keep them around. Regarding
the ant files, the best would have been to get a bit more formal
approval at some point (well, a vote), but again, I don't see that as an
big mistake to have done the switch from ant to maven as we already
lengthly discussed this matter last year.
Basically, my personal opinion is that, yes, it's a good practice to ask
the list for such moves before doing so. That's help new comers to feel
like they are part of the community. It gives them the feeling we are a
community, not a bunch of developper deciding to change some code
because you need it or think it's good for the project. I think that's
the message Alan want to transmit here.
If you don't have time (for instance because you need a quick version to
be cut), then it's probably better to do it in a branch. Then when the
community has catched up and agreed with your points, then the branch
can be merged into the trunk.
Anyway, the Maven move was a good move.
Thanks !
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cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
directory.apache.org
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <al...@gmail.com>.
On Mar 24, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <alan.cabrera@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
>> Where did the Ant build files go? Where are the IntelliJ files?
>
>
> (I know nothing but) I thought the idea was to move to Maven. IDE
> project
> files for IntelliJ, Eclipse etc. can be generated via Maven. You can
> use
> "mvn idea:idea" to generate the project files for IDEA (
> http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-idea-plugin/), but I think the
> newest
> version has a pretty good support for Maven built-in.
There was tremendous push back on getting rid of the IDEA files that
were checked in and, so, we need to collect a community consensus
before we remove them; don't get me wrong I want to get rid of them
and I think, like you, that they are superfluous.
Regards,
Alan
>
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>> All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the
>> 'sprhib'
>>> Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be
>>> added
>>> to
>>> that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be
>>> working
>>> fine now.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven
>>> compliant now
>>>> -
>>>> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today
>>>> that is
>>>> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until
>>>> the ki
>>>> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you
>>>> have any
>>>> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've
>>>> discussed
>>>> this
>>>> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while
>>>> now).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Where did the Ant build files go? Where are the IntelliJ files?
(I know nothing but) I thought the idea was to move to Maven. IDE project
files for IntelliJ, Eclipse etc. can be generated via Maven. You can use
"mvn idea:idea" to generate the project files for IDEA (
http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-idea-plugin/), but I think the newest
version has a pretty good support for Maven built-in.
Kalle
On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
> All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the 'sprhib'
>> Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be added
>> to
>> that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be working
>> fine now.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>> >wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven compliant now
>>> -
>>> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
>>> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until the ki
>>> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you have any
>>> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've discussed
>>> this
>>> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while now).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <al...@gmail.com>.
Where did the Ant build files go? Where are the IntelliJ files?
Regards,
Alan
On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the
> 'sprhib'
> Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be
> added to
> that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be
> working
> fine now.
>
> Regards,
>
> Les
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood
> <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven
>> compliant now -
>> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
>> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until
>> the ki
>> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you
>> have any
>> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've
>> discussed this
>> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while
>> now).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Les
>>
Re: Mods to build structure
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
All finished. The only thing not enabled at the moment is the 'sprhib'
Spring Hibernate sample application. Some dependencies need to be added to
that and perhaps some Jetty config. But overall things should be working
fine now.
Regards,
Les
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
> I'm going to tackle moving the build structure to be Maven compliant now -
> proper directory trees, etc. I need to do some testing today that is
> important to my project at work and I can't really do that until the ki
> codebase is in a coherent state. Please let me know now if you have any
> objections to this (I don't think there would be any - we've discussed this
> in the past and there hasn't been any activity in SVN for a while now).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Les
>