Re: examples

[Satyanarayana M <sa...@infoglyptic.com>]

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RXZ JLo" <ru...@yahoo.com>
To: <ax...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:55 AM
Subject: examples


> Google has its soap api, Amazon too has.
> Who else is up with SOAP services? I am looking
> for real world examples from different companies,
> does anyone know of a few more?
> 
> thanks.
> rf
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Re: examples

[Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Sosnoski" <dm...@sosnoski.com>
To: <ax...@xml.apache.org>
Cc: "Satyanarayana M" <sa...@infoglyptic.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 23:40
Subject: Re: examples


> Most of the publicly available web services *are* toys. Despite the
> ".NET vision" of "The Road Ahead" there doesn't appear to be much of a
> *general* business case for web services as revenue generators.

>From what I gather one of the travel brokers (not Sabre, one of the others)
moved to a web service API over the summer. The reason: lots of travel
agents round the world were paying too much for dedicated lines. Moving to
IP based networking as the access point to the booking service saves on
communications overhead. It may not seem much compared to the
1-degree-of-freedom concept, but think how much the comms overhead of VISA
auth, SWIFT banking, ATM auth must be: replacing all those federations with
web service federations over the general internet soup would be something.
Still wouldnt stop the ATM fees, visa fees or the ridiculous amounts banks
charge to shove money around the world, but the margins will be better

-steve

RE: examples

[Anne Thomas Manes <an...@manes.net>]

I forgot to mention...

Other examples of Web services are infrastructure-level services such as
UDDI, a SAML-based single sign-on service, a SAML-based
entitlement/authorization service, a digital signature service (see OASIS
DSS), an encryption key management service (see W3C XKMS), a billing
service, a provisioning service, etc., etc.

Anne

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rf [mailto:rufoo2001@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:17 AM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: examples
>
>
> I had asked, in november, about example web-services
> that are available publicly. Where do web-services
> stand today? I would also like to from various users
> who are on this mailing list, what kind of services
> have you created and how you publicized them?
>
> thanks.
> ~rf
>
> --- Dennis Sosnoski <dm...@sosnoski.com> wrote:
> > Most of the publicly available web services *are*
> > toys. Despite the
> > ".NET vision" of "The Road Ahead" there doesn't
> > appear to be much of a
> > *general* business case for web services as revenue
> > generators.
> >
> > Google and Amazon are exceptions that demonstrate
> > the rule. In Google's
> > case they're making a limited usage form of their
> > service available for
> > free, with the expectation that if people come up
> > with good applications
> > they'll either charge for usage or gain revenue some
> > other way - it's
> > under their control, since the beta license keys are
> > only authorized for
> > 1000 requests per day. In Amazon's case, they want
> > as many people as
> > possible to buy from them, and if making their
> > catalog and ordering
> > system available through a web service adds a tiny
> > fraction of a percent
> > to their sales they'll have more than justified the
> > effort.
> >
> > The same types of benefits could apply to other
> > major commercial
> > operations - the airlines, for instance, should have
> > web services
> > interfaces in place, as should Amazon's competitors
> > in the book biz,
> > major office supplies vendors, stock brokers, etc. -
> > these all have more
> > to gain from additional business than from
> > restricting users to
> > browsers. The credit card processing business would
> > be another great
> > market for web services, except that they always
> > seem to be using
> > technology that's a minimum of 10 years out of date
> > (my apologies to any
> > readers from that industry - I'm baffled and
> > frustrated that there's
> > still a minimum merchant charge of about $0.40 /
> > transaction in these
> > days of cheap bandwidth and processing).
> >
> > Where web services are increasingly important to a
> > much broader range of
> > companies is for linking B2B applications, including
> > B2B applications
> > within a company. SOAP is basically just a fluffier
> > - and somewhat more
> > limited - version of CORBA, after all. These types
> > of services are
> > generally not public, though.
> >
> >   - Dennis
> >
> > Dennis M. Sosnoski
> > Enterprise Java, XML, and Web Services Support
> > http://www.sosnoski.com
> >
> > RXZ JLo wrote:
> >
> > >they are all toy services at xmethods and
> > salcentral.
> > >I am looking for more like Google and Amazon.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >rf.
> > >
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Re: examples

[Tom Myers <to...@dreamscape.com>]

Anne Thomas Manes wrote:

> ...
> Amazon's Web API is not available to the general public. It's designed for
> B2B business relationships. It allows Amazon's affiliates to use Amazon's
> catalog to sell Amazon merchandise through their own Web sites.
> ...

I don't know if you meant that, but just to clarify for those unaware---
Amazon does distinguish between affiliates and others, but non-affiliates
can do a free registration which entitles them (I think) to 1 query per second,
where Google's is limited to 1000 a day... See
   http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1707
or go direct to
  http://associates.amazon.com/exec/panama/associates/ntg/browse/-/567634

It's quite simple to use, except that having to set a "mode" for each search
can be annoying: e.g. an "actor search request" for Bogart, like
> <SOAP-ENV:Body>
> <namesp1:ActorSearchRequest xmlns:namesp1='urn:PI/DevCentral/SoapService'>
> <ActorSearchRequest xsi:type='namesp1:ActorRequest'>
> <actor>Bogart</actor>
> <page>1</page>
> <mode>books</mode>
> <tag>webservices-20</tag>
> <type>lite</type>
> <devtag>...PUT YOUR DEVELOPER'S TAG HERE..</devtag>
> <format>xml</format>
> <version>1.0</version>
> </ActorSearchRequest>
> </namesp1:ActorSearchRequest>

will return a soap fault
> <faultstring xsi:type='xsd:string'>Bad Request</faultstring>
> <detail xsi:type='xsd:string'> There were no exact matches for the search ...
and doesn't even tell you that an ActorSearchRequest goes better with
mode="DVD" or mode="Video"...This gets really tiresome with doing BrowseNode
searches where they offer a table of modes for some of the common nodes,
but each node is just a number and there are lots of modes to guess.
Still, it's the same kind of registration setup as Google's.
Tom Myers

RE: examples

[Michael Yuan <ju...@pancake.as.utexas.edu>]

Just a few more comments ...

> Google's Web API is free, supplied as an experiment and to promote goodwill.
> But the Web service actually undermines Google's business model (collecting
> revenues from advertising), since the API users don't see ads.

Hmm, but Google WS does require registration and does not allow you to
put up a commercial search service using it. If you want to use it
commercially, you have to work out a deal with them -- and pay them more
than the ads rate, I suppose. :)

> Amazon's Web API is not available to the general public. It's designed for
> B2B business relationships. It allows Amazon's affiliates to use Amazon's
> catalog to sell Amazon merchandise through their own Web sites.

I found Amazon's most useful web API is its XML API not the SOAP
interface. :)

> Microsoft provides the MapPoint Web service, which provides a Web API to
> MapQuest.

MapPoint.NET has a very complex SOAP interface. It does not work with Axis
out-of-the-box because it requires HTTP DIGEST AUTH. You have to hack the
HTTP transport class a little bit to make it work. Again, MP.NET provides
a 45-day trial. After that, you need to pay big $$$. It is oriented toward
corporate customers who do a lot of Geo-encoding.

cheers
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RE: examples

[Anne Thomas Manes <an...@manes.net>]

You can find lots of examples/demos at www.xmethods.com.

In terms of "real" Web services and in response to Dennis's comment...

Google's Web API is free, supplied as an experiment and to promote goodwill.
But the Web service actually undermines Google's business model (collecting
revenues from advertising), since the API users don't see ads.

Amazon's Web API is not available to the general public. It's designed for
B2B business relationships. It allows Amazon's affiliates to use Amazon's
catalog to sell Amazon merchandise through their own Web sites.

Microsoft provides the MapPoint Web service, which provides a Web API to
MapQuest.

Kinko's provides a Web API that allows you to submit print jobs directly
from an Office application on your desktop using the File, Print... menu.

Fedex and UPS provide Web APIs that let you integrate your business
applications with their logisitics systems.

555-1212.com provides a Web API to its online telephone directory.

Salesforce.com provides a Web API to its hosted CRM system.

These last two companies are "software-as-a-service" companies, but keep in
mind that Web services is an after-thought for both of them. Initially their
services were browser-based online services. Customers requested
programmatic interfaces, so they implemented them with Web services. The
point is that Web services don't form the foundation of a business model.
They just provide a programmatic interface to some application code. If you
don't have a viable business model to support software-as-a-service before
Web services, then Web services won't help make you successful.

As Dennis said, many companies use Web services to implement B2B
connections, but most companies use Web services simply to perform
integration within their own organization.

Anne

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rf [mailto:rufoo2001@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:17 AM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: examples
>
>
> I had asked, in november, about example web-services
> that are available publicly. Where do web-services
> stand today? I would also like to from various users
> who are on this mailing list, what kind of services
> have you created and how you publicized them?
>
> thanks.
> ~rf
>
> --- Dennis Sosnoski <dm...@sosnoski.com> wrote:
> > Most of the publicly available web services *are*
> > toys. Despite the
> > ".NET vision" of "The Road Ahead" there doesn't
> > appear to be much of a
> > *general* business case for web services as revenue
> > generators.
> >
> > Google and Amazon are exceptions that demonstrate
> > the rule. In Google's
> > case they're making a limited usage form of their
> > service available for
> > free, with the expectation that if people come up
> > with good applications
> > they'll either charge for usage or gain revenue some
> > other way - it's
> > under their control, since the beta license keys are
> > only authorized for
> > 1000 requests per day. In Amazon's case, they want
> > as many people as
> > possible to buy from them, and if making their
> > catalog and ordering
> > system available through a web service adds a tiny
> > fraction of a percent
> > to their sales they'll have more than justified the
> > effort.
> >
> > The same types of benefits could apply to other
> > major commercial
> > operations - the airlines, for instance, should have
> > web services
> > interfaces in place, as should Amazon's competitors
> > in the book biz,
> > major office supplies vendors, stock brokers, etc. -
> > these all have more
> > to gain from additional business than from
> > restricting users to
> > browsers. The credit card processing business would
> > be another great
> > market for web services, except that they always
> > seem to be using
> > technology that's a minimum of 10 years out of date
> > (my apologies to any
> > readers from that industry - I'm baffled and
> > frustrated that there's
> > still a minimum merchant charge of about $0.40 /
> > transaction in these
> > days of cheap bandwidth and processing).
> >
> > Where web services are increasingly important to a
> > much broader range of
> > companies is for linking B2B applications, including
> > B2B applications
> > within a company. SOAP is basically just a fluffier
> > - and somewhat more
> > limited - version of CORBA, after all. These types
> > of services are
> > generally not public, though.
> >
> >   - Dennis
> >
> > Dennis M. Sosnoski
> > Enterprise Java, XML, and Web Services Support
> > http://www.sosnoski.com
> >
> > RXZ JLo wrote:
> >
> > >they are all toy services at xmethods and
> > salcentral.
> > >I am looking for more like Google and Amazon.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >rf.
> > >
> > >__________________________________________________
> > >Do you Yahoo!?
> > >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
> > >http://webhosting.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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Re: examples

[rf <ru...@yahoo.com>]

I had asked, in november, about example web-services
that are available publicly. Where do web-services
stand today? I would also like to from various users
who are on this mailing list, what kind of services
have you created and how you publicized them?

thanks.
~rf

--- Dennis Sosnoski <dm...@sosnoski.com> wrote:
> Most of the publicly available web services *are*
> toys. Despite the 
> ".NET vision" of "The Road Ahead" there doesn't
> appear to be much of a 
> *general* business case for web services as revenue
> generators.
> 
> Google and Amazon are exceptions that demonstrate
> the rule. In Google's 
> case they're making a limited usage form of their
> service available for 
> free, with the expectation that if people come up
> with good applications 
> they'll either charge for usage or gain revenue some
> other way - it's 
> under their control, since the beta license keys are
> only authorized for 
> 1000 requests per day. In Amazon's case, they want
> as many people as 
> possible to buy from them, and if making their
> catalog and ordering 
> system available through a web service adds a tiny
> fraction of a percent 
> to their sales they'll have more than justified the
> effort.
> 
> The same types of benefits could apply to other
> major commercial 
> operations - the airlines, for instance, should have
> web services 
> interfaces in place, as should Amazon's competitors
> in the book biz, 
> major office supplies vendors, stock brokers, etc. -
> these all have more 
> to gain from additional business than from
> restricting users to 
> browsers. The credit card processing business would
> be another great 
> market for web services, except that they always
> seem to be using 
> technology that's a minimum of 10 years out of date
> (my apologies to any 
> readers from that industry - I'm baffled and
> frustrated that there's 
> still a minimum merchant charge of about $0.40 /
> transaction in these 
> days of cheap bandwidth and processing).
> 
> Where web services are increasingly important to a
> much broader range of 
> companies is for linking B2B applications, including
> B2B applications 
> within a company. SOAP is basically just a fluffier
> - and somewhat more 
> limited - version of CORBA, after all. These types
> of services are 
> generally not public, though.
> 
>   - Dennis
> 
> Dennis M. Sosnoski
> Enterprise Java, XML, and Web Services Support
> http://www.sosnoski.com
> 
> RXZ JLo wrote:
> 
> >they are all toy services at xmethods and
> salcentral.
> >I am looking for more like Google and Amazon.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >rf.
> >
> >__________________________________________________
> >Do you Yahoo!?
> >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
> >http://webhosting.yahoo.com
> >
> >  
> >
> 


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Re: examples

[Dennis Sosnoski <dm...@sosnoski.com>]

Most of the publicly available web services *are* toys. Despite the 
".NET vision" of "The Road Ahead" there doesn't appear to be much of a 
*general* business case for web services as revenue generators.

Google and Amazon are exceptions that demonstrate the rule. In Google's 
case they're making a limited usage form of their service available for 
free, with the expectation that if people come up with good applications 
they'll either charge for usage or gain revenue some other way - it's 
under their control, since the beta license keys are only authorized for 
1000 requests per day. In Amazon's case, they want as many people as 
possible to buy from them, and if making their catalog and ordering 
system available through a web service adds a tiny fraction of a percent 
to their sales they'll have more than justified the effort.

The same types of benefits could apply to other major commercial 
operations - the airlines, for instance, should have web services 
interfaces in place, as should Amazon's competitors in the book biz, 
major office supplies vendors, stock brokers, etc. - these all have more 
to gain from additional business than from restricting users to 
browsers. The credit card processing business would be another great 
market for web services, except that they always seem to be using 
technology that's a minimum of 10 years out of date (my apologies to any 
readers from that industry - I'm baffled and frustrated that there's 
still a minimum merchant charge of about $0.40 / transaction in these 
days of cheap bandwidth and processing).

Where web services are increasingly important to a much broader range of 
companies is for linking B2B applications, including B2B applications 
within a company. SOAP is basically just a fluffier - and somewhat more 
limited - version of CORBA, after all. These types of services are 
generally not public, though.

  - Dennis

Dennis M. Sosnoski
Enterprise Java, XML, and Web Services Support
http://www.sosnoski.com

RXZ JLo wrote:

>they are all toy services at xmethods and salcentral.
>I am looking for more like Google and Amazon.
>
>Thanks,
>rf.
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do you Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
>http://webhosting.yahoo.com
>
>  
>

RE: examples

[Chris Williamson <ch...@wolfram.com>]

Microsoft and IBM have a few that are okay.

Microsoft has a partnership with mapquest.  You are required to pay for the
service, but they have a trial license available.  They also have a Terra
Service for free.  Both of these seem like nice examples, although I haven't
delved very deep into using them.

IBM has two that I have seen.  An Image converter and a chart service.  I
have not used IBM's yet, but they seem fairly practical for lightweight
platforms.

You can find these on xmethods.

Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: RXZ JLo [mailto:rufoo2001@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:33 AM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org; Satyanarayana M
> Subject: Re: examples
>
>
> >
> > visit xmethods.com.....(you may be already knowing
> > this)
> > you can findout more there....
> >
>
> they are all toy services at xmethods and salcentral.
> I am looking for more like Google and Amazon.
>
> Thanks,
> rf.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
> http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Re: examples

[RXZ JLo <ru...@yahoo.com>]

> 
> visit xmethods.com.....(you may be already knowing
> this)
> you can findout more there....
> 

they are all toy services at xmethods and salcentral.
I am looking for more like Google and Amazon.

Thanks,
rf.

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