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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org> on 2003/02/25 00:01:01 UTC
[VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
Here's mine: +1
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Proposal for Lenya
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:01:16 +0100
From: Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.org>
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Dear Incubator List
Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management
System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at:
http://www.wyona.org/lenya.html
Relevant Links are also:
http://www.wyona.org/docs/xdocs/architecture.html
http://www.wyona.org/roadmap.html
Thanks
Michael
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Proposal for Lenya, A Cocoon Subproject (via Incubator)
Date:
14 February 2003
Authors:
Gregor J. Rothfuss
(gregor.rothfuss@wyona.org)
Michael H. Wechner
(michael.wechner@wyona.org)
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Rationale
Lenya is a content management system built around open standards
like XML and XSLT. It is currently based on the XML publishing and
application framework Cocoon.
One of the core philosophies is to avoid lock-in.
You should be able to switch the CMS at any time.
Lenya, unlike other Content Management Systems, goes the extra mile to make
sure that its contents and functionalities can easily be migrated (or
exchanged with) to and from other
systems.
This means that all components (access controller, revision controller,
scheduler, etc.) are also based on XML.
Another core philosophy is to make the CMS as user-friendly as possible.
This has already been achieved quite well by the Lenya menubar, which
allows the user/editor to navigate within the original publication.
The menubar is the only UI element to learn by a human editor.
Through the implementation of the WYSIWYG editor software Xopus (and
Bitflux), Lenya makes editing
XML documents effortless even for non-technical users.
Lenya fits nicely into a multi-tier architecture made up of various ASF
projects:
Xopus <--> Lenya <--> Cocoon <--> Slide <--> Xindice
where
Xopus: WYSIWYG Editor (subject to another incubator proposal)
Lenya: Content Management System
Cocoon: XML Publishing and Application Framework
Slide: Content Management Framework (WebDAV and Content Repository API)
Xindice: XML Content Store
Lenya leverages existing Apache projects as parts of its multi-tier
architecture,
whereas the editor (e.g. Xopus) and the content store (e.g. Xindice) are
replaceable
by any other interface compliant editor resp. content store. Lenya
already supports
more than one editor (Xopus, Bitflux and HTML-Form-Editor). More
information on
the architecture is available at
http://www.wyona.org/docs/xdocs/architecture.html.
Lenya was formerly known as Wyona CMS, but out of respect and to avoid
branding collisions with the commercial entity Wyona
(http://www.wyona.com), the CMS project will be renamed to Lenya.
More information on the Wyona CMS project is available at
http://www.wyona.org.
Criteria
Meritocracy:
Design decisions are discussed on the Lenya developers mailing
list, and are taken with an eye towards easy integration with
underlying technologies such as Cocoon and Slide in mind. Input
from the community is regularly explicitly requested and is
incorporated into the roadmap.
Current Community:
The Lenya community consists of the employees of Wyona AG,
its customers, third-party developers and interested
individuals. At this time, there are 78 individuals on the
Lenya developers mailing list and 149 individuals on the Lenya users
mailing list.
Deployment:
-NZZ (the most prestigious newspaper of Switzerland, http://www.nzz.ch)
-University of Zurich (http://www.unipublic.unizh.ch)
-Computerworld (http://www.computerworld.ch)
-OSCOM (Open Source Content Management, http://www.oscom.org/matrix/
Core Developers:
Michael Wechner developed the first version of Lenya in 1999.
By the end of 2001 Michael Wechner ported Lenya on top of Cocoon with
the help of Giacomo Pati and Memo Birgi.
5 developers at Wyona AG contribute to the Wyona project on a regular
basis, and there
are also external committers.
Alignment:
Lenya is based on and built around several Apache projects,
and is licensed under the Apache Software License.
Scope:
Develop Lenya as (a currently missing) part of a multi-tier architecture for
content management, made up of various ASF projects.
Warning Signs
Orphaned code:
Lenya has some dead code predating its port to Cocoon, but we are
refactoring it as we speak.
We aim to use even more
Apache software in the future, gradually ripping out our
home-brewed code.
Inexperience:
The orginal creator/author of Lenya, Michael Wechner, has been working
with XML technologies and Java for over 5 years. The first
version of Lenya predated Coccon, and he actually wrote his own
XML pipeline processor before he gladly left that part to Cocoon.
Other core contributors have years of experience in writing web
applications in various languages and environments
(Java, PHP, Perl, ASP *GASP* and other, forgotten languages)
and are very active in the open source community (cocooncenter,
Postnuke/Xaraya, OSCOM, etc.).
Homogeneous Developers:
Our developers have very diverse backgrounds, bringing very
different opinions about "the right way to do it" to the project.
This results in lively discussions as more options are evaluated.
Reliance on Salaried Developers:
While the most part of developement activities originates from
Wyona AG, there are also external contributors. The aim
is thus to strenghten and diversify the developer base.
No ties to other Apache Products:
See above, Lenya makes extensive use of Apache technologies.
Fascination with Apache Brand:
We at Lenya both marvel at the technical skills of the Apache
projects, and its love for standards.
Being proponents of Java and XML technologies, and due to our
own experiences working in various open source projects,
we feel that we see eye to eye with Apache.
Scope
The aim of the Lenya project is to produce a content management
system that is clearly superior to alternatives in the areas
where we want to focus. Our roadmap explains it in more detail
(http://www.wyona.org/roadmap.html).
We understand that a CMS cannot be a thing to all people, and we
are aware of both our strengths and weaknesses.
We believe that it is possible to create an XML(-Java)-based CMS that
has both excellent technological foundations, yet is easy to use.
Current efforts fall short in various ways.
A closer cooperation with other Apache projects
will allow us to concentrate even more on our strengths and will
help us to overcome current pitfalls.
Initial Source
The initial source from which the subproject is to be populated is
located at http://www.wyona.org.
ASF Resources
Mailing Lists
lenya-users
lenya-dev
lenya-cvs
lenya-docs
Currently, there are mailing lists at
http://mail.wyona.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo.
CVS
cocoon-lenya
Currently, there is a CVS at http://cvs.wyona.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi.
Bugzilla
Currently, there is a bugzilla at http://cvs.wyona.org/bugs/.
Inital Committers
Jürgen Bigalke
(juergen@bigalke.de)
Memo Birgi
(memo@otego.com)
Edith Chevrier
(edith.chevrier@wyona.com)
Christian Egli
(christian.egli@wyona.com)
Andreas Hartmann
(ah@cocooncenter.org)
Marc Liyanage
(liyanage@access.ch)
Felix Mäder
(felix.maeder@wyona.com)
Giacomo Pati
(giacomo@apache.org)
Gregor J. Rothfuss
(gregor.rothfuss@wyona.com)
Thorsten Scherler
(thorsten.scherler@weidmueller.de)
Michael Wechner
(michael.wechner@wyona.org)
Apache Sponsors
Stefano Mazzocchi
(stefano@apache.org)
Nicola Ken Barozzi
(nicolaken@apache.org)
Open Issues
Clarify the multi-tier architecture.
Refine scope with regard to other Apache projects.
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--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 12:01:01AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
+1
--Jeff
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 14.08:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>> Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
>>
>>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>>
>>> As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
>>>
>>> OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation
>>> to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
>>
>>
>>
>> Incubation PMC.
>
>
> OK. Don't get me wrong on this, but what will happen if Incubator PMC
> decides Lenya is ready to move on, but Cocoon PMC isn't ready to
> receive?
If the Cocoon PMC votes +1, it's ready to recieve it.
A positive vote means: we are willing to have it and recieve it.
The Incubator PMC just decides /when/, the Cocoon PMC decides /if/.
> This has to do with true responsability: if I vote +1 on
> incubation as a Cocoon PMC member, I'd like the Cocoon PMC to decide
> when Lenya is ready to move on, and not the Incubator PMC. Of course,
> there will be communication between both, but technically, I find it
> strange to relinquish my rights to vote (and veto) to the Incubator PMC.
You are voting _now_. Cocoon decides if he wants it, Incubator decides
if it's ready to move to Cocoon.
Before the incubator, we would have had _only_ the Cocoon vote. Then the
Cocoon community would have gotten it from the start.
The Incubator is here to ease the burden of integrating in Apache and
contextually to ensure a minimum standard WRT assimilation of the Apache
practices.
> Don't get me wrong: I'm just trying to find loopholes in these new
> incubation procedures, so that we can eventually fix them.
Yup.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 14.08:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>> Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
>>
>>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>>
>>> As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
>>>
>>> OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation
>>> to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
>>
>>
>>
>> Incubation PMC.
>
>
> OK. Don't get me wrong on this, but what will happen if Incubator PMC
> decides Lenya is ready to move on, but Cocoon PMC isn't ready to
> receive?
If the Cocoon PMC votes +1, it's ready to recieve it.
A positive vote means: we are willing to have it and recieve it.
The Incubator PMC just decides /when/, the Cocoon PMC decides /if/.
> This has to do with true responsability: if I vote +1 on
> incubation as a Cocoon PMC member, I'd like the Cocoon PMC to decide
> when Lenya is ready to move on, and not the Incubator PMC. Of course,
> there will be communication between both, but technically, I find it
> strange to relinquish my rights to vote (and veto) to the Incubator PMC.
You are voting _now_. Cocoon decides if he wants it, Incubator decides
if it's ready to move to Cocoon.
Before the incubator, we would have had _only_ the Cocoon vote. Then the
Cocoon community would have gotten it from the start.
The Incubator is here to ease the burden of integrating in Apache and
contextually to ensure a minimum standard WRT assimilation of the Apache
practices.
> Don't get me wrong: I'm just trying to find loopholes in these new
> incubation procedures, so that we can eventually fix them.
Yup.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
>
>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>
>> As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
>>
>> OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation
>> to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
>
>
> Incubation PMC.
OK. Don't get me wrong on this, but what will happen if Incubator PMC
decides Lenya is ready to move on, but Cocoon PMC isn't ready to
receive? This has to do with true responsability: if I vote +1 on
incubation as a Cocoon PMC member, I'd like the Cocoon PMC to decide
when Lenya is ready to move on, and not the Incubator PMC. Of course,
there will be communication between both, but technically, I find it
strange to relinquish my rights to vote (and veto) to the Incubator PMC.
Don't get me wrong: I'm just trying to find loopholes in these new
incubation procedures, so that we can eventually fix them.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
>
>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>
>> As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
>>
>> OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation
>> to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
>
>
> Incubation PMC.
OK. Don't get me wrong on this, but what will happen if Incubator PMC
decides Lenya is ready to move on, but Cocoon PMC isn't ready to
receive? This has to do with true responsability: if I vote +1 on
incubation as a Cocoon PMC member, I'd like the Cocoon PMC to decide
when Lenya is ready to move on, and not the Incubator PMC. Of course,
there will be communication between both, but technically, I find it
strange to relinquish my rights to vote (and veto) to the Incubator PMC.
Don't get me wrong: I'm just trying to find loopholes in these new
incubation procedures, so that we can eventually fix them.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
>
> OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to
> proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
Incubation PMC.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
>
> OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to
> proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
Incubation PMC.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to
proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
+1
Sylvain
--
Sylvain Wallez Anyware Technologies
http://www.apache.org/~sylvain http://www.anyware-tech.com
{ XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Christian Haul <ha...@dvs1.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 25.Feb.2003 -- 12:01 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
+1
Chris.
--
C h r i s t i a n H a u l
haul@informatik.tu-darmstadt.de
fingerprint: 99B0 1D9D 7919 644A 4837 7D73 FEF9 6856 335A 9E08
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
+1
--David
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Michael Melhem <mi...@fztig938.bank.dresdner.net>.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 12:01:01AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
> Here's mine: +1
+1
Michael
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> --
> Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
> - verba volant, scripta manent -
> (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
> Here's mine: +1
>
+1
--
Gianugo Rabellino
Pro-netics s.r.l.
http://www.pro-netics.com
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Bernhard Huber <be...@a1.net>.
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
+1 from me
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Michael Melhem <mi...@fztig938.bank.dresdner.net>.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 12:01:01AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
> Here's mine: +1
+1
Michael
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> --
> Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
> - verba volant, scripta manent -
> (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to
proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Giacomo Pati wrote:
> +1
>
> Giacomo
Giacomo,
thanks for taking the time to edit your email to avoid wasting bandwidth.
I'm a pain, I know. Imagine how I much more I would be if I were the one
paying for the bandwidth :)
--
Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [William of Ockham]
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Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Giacomo Pati wrote:
> +1
>
> Giacomo
Giacomo,
thanks for taking the time to edit your email to avoid wasting bandwidth.
I'm a pain, I know. Imagine how I much more I would be if I were the one
paying for the bandwidth :)
--
Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [William of Ockham]
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Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
+1
Giacomo
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
> Here's mine: +1
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Proposal for Lenya
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:01:16 +0100
> From: Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.org>
> Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>
> Dear Incubator List
>
> Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management
> System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at:
>
> http://www.wyona.org/lenya.html
>
> Relevant Links are also:
>
> http://www.wyona.org/docs/xdocs/architecture.html
>
> http://www.wyona.org/roadmap.html
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Proposal for Lenya, A Cocoon Subproject (via Incubator)
>
>
> Date:
>
> 14 February 2003
>
>
> Authors:
>
> Gregor J. Rothfuss
> (gregor.rothfuss@wyona.org)
>
> Michael H. Wechner
> (michael.wechner@wyona.org)
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Rationale
>
>
> Lenya is a content management system built around open standards
> like XML and XSLT. It is currently based on the XML publishing and
> application framework Cocoon.
>
> One of the core philosophies is to avoid lock-in.
> You should be able to switch the CMS at any time.
> Lenya, unlike other Content Management Systems, goes the extra mile to make
> sure that its contents and functionalities can easily be migrated (or
> exchanged with) to and from other
> systems.
> This means that all components (access controller, revision controller,
> scheduler, etc.) are also based on XML.
>
> Another core philosophy is to make the CMS as user-friendly as possible.
> This has already been achieved quite well by the Lenya menubar, which
> allows the user/editor to navigate within the original publication.
> The menubar is the only UI element to learn by a human editor.
> Through the implementation of the WYSIWYG editor software Xopus (and
> Bitflux), Lenya makes editing
> XML documents effortless even for non-technical users.
>
> Lenya fits nicely into a multi-tier architecture made up of various ASF
> projects:
>
>
>
> Xopus <--> Lenya <--> Cocoon <--> Slide <--> Xindice
>
> where
>
> Xopus: WYSIWYG Editor (subject to another incubator proposal)
> Lenya: Content Management System
> Cocoon: XML Publishing and Application Framework
> Slide: Content Management Framework (WebDAV and Content Repository API)
> Xindice: XML Content Store
>
>
>
> Lenya leverages existing Apache projects as parts of its multi-tier
> architecture,
> whereas the editor (e.g. Xopus) and the content store (e.g. Xindice) are
> replaceable
> by any other interface compliant editor resp. content store. Lenya
> already supports
> more than one editor (Xopus, Bitflux and HTML-Form-Editor). More
> information on
> the architecture is available at
> http://www.wyona.org/docs/xdocs/architecture.html.
>
> Lenya was formerly known as Wyona CMS, but out of respect and to avoid
> branding collisions with the commercial entity Wyona
> (http://www.wyona.com), the CMS project will be renamed to Lenya.
> More information on the Wyona CMS project is available at
> http://www.wyona.org.
>
> Criteria
>
>
> Meritocracy:
> Design decisions are discussed on the Lenya developers mailing
> list, and are taken with an eye towards easy integration with
> underlying technologies such as Cocoon and Slide in mind. Input
> from the community is regularly explicitly requested and is
> incorporated into the roadmap.
>
> Current Community:
> The Lenya community consists of the employees of Wyona AG,
> its customers, third-party developers and interested
> individuals. At this time, there are 78 individuals on the
> Lenya developers mailing list and 149 individuals on the Lenya users
> mailing list.
>
> Deployment:
> -NZZ (the most prestigious newspaper of Switzerland, http://www.nzz.ch)
> -University of Zurich (http://www.unipublic.unizh.ch)
> -Computerworld (http://www.computerworld.ch)
> -OSCOM (Open Source Content Management, http://www.oscom.org/matrix/
>
> Core Developers:
> Michael Wechner developed the first version of Lenya in 1999.
> By the end of 2001 Michael Wechner ported Lenya on top of Cocoon with
> the help of Giacomo Pati and Memo Birgi.
> 5 developers at Wyona AG contribute to the Wyona project on a regular
> basis, and there
> are also external committers.
>
> Alignment:
> Lenya is based on and built around several Apache projects,
> and is licensed under the Apache Software License.
>
> Scope:
> Develop Lenya as (a currently missing) part of a multi-tier architecture for
> content management, made up of various ASF projects.
>
> Warning Signs
>
>
> Orphaned code:
> Lenya has some dead code predating its port to Cocoon, but we are
> refactoring it as we speak.
> We aim to use even more
> Apache software in the future, gradually ripping out our
> home-brewed code.
>
> Inexperience:
> The orginal creator/author of Lenya, Michael Wechner, has been working
> with XML technologies and Java for over 5 years. The first
> version of Lenya predated Coccon, and he actually wrote his own
> XML pipeline processor before he gladly left that part to Cocoon.
> Other core contributors have years of experience in writing web
> applications in various languages and environments
> (Java, PHP, Perl, ASP *GASP* and other, forgotten languages)
> and are very active in the open source community (cocooncenter,
> Postnuke/Xaraya, OSCOM, etc.).
>
> Homogeneous Developers:
> Our developers have very diverse backgrounds, bringing very
> different opinions about "the right way to do it" to the project.
> This results in lively discussions as more options are evaluated.
>
> Reliance on Salaried Developers:
> While the most part of developement activities originates from
> Wyona AG, there are also external contributors. The aim
> is thus to strenghten and diversify the developer base.
>
> No ties to other Apache Products:
> See above, Lenya makes extensive use of Apache technologies.
>
> Fascination with Apache Brand:
> We at Lenya both marvel at the technical skills of the Apache
> projects, and its love for standards.
> Being proponents of Java and XML technologies, and due to our
> own experiences working in various open source projects,
> we feel that we see eye to eye with Apache.
>
> Scope
>
>
> The aim of the Lenya project is to produce a content management
> system that is clearly superior to alternatives in the areas
> where we want to focus. Our roadmap explains it in more detail
> (http://www.wyona.org/roadmap.html).
> We understand that a CMS cannot be a thing to all people, and we
> are aware of both our strengths and weaknesses.
>
> We believe that it is possible to create an XML(-Java)-based CMS that
> has both excellent technological foundations, yet is easy to use.
> Current efforts fall short in various ways.
> A closer cooperation with other Apache projects
> will allow us to concentrate even more on our strengths and will
> help us to overcome current pitfalls.
>
> Initial Source
>
> The initial source from which the subproject is to be populated is
> located at http://www.wyona.org.
>
> ASF Resources
>
>
> Mailing Lists
>
>
> lenya-users
>
> lenya-dev
>
> lenya-cvs
>
> lenya-docs
>
> Currently, there are mailing lists at
> http://mail.wyona.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo.
>
> CVS
>
>
> cocoon-lenya
>
> Currently, there is a CVS at http://cvs.wyona.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi.
>
> Bugzilla
>
>
>
> Currently, there is a bugzilla at http://cvs.wyona.org/bugs/.
>
>
> Inital Committers
>
>
> Jürgen Bigalke
> (juergen@bigalke.de)
>
> Memo Birgi
> (memo@otego.com)
>
> Edith Chevrier
> (edith.chevrier@wyona.com)
>
> Christian Egli
> (christian.egli@wyona.com)
>
> Andreas Hartmann
> (ah@cocooncenter.org)
>
> Marc Liyanage
> (liyanage@access.ch)
>
> Felix Mäder
> (felix.maeder@wyona.com)
>
> Giacomo Pati
> (giacomo@apache.org)
>
> Gregor J. Rothfuss
> (gregor.rothfuss@wyona.com)
>
> Thorsten Scherler
> (thorsten.scherler@weidmueller.de)
>
> Michael Wechner
> (michael.wechner@wyona.org)
>
> Apache Sponsors
>
>
> Stefano Mazzocchi
> (stefano@apache.org)
>
> Nicola Ken Barozzi
> (nicolaken@apache.org)
>
> Open Issues
>
>
> Clarify the multi-tier architecture.
>
> Refine scope with regard to other Apache projects.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@dff.st>.
>>> The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
>> Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon?
> A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or
> something similar. We are a proper toplevel project right now, so the
> cocoon-apps thing might get replaced over the time by per-subproject
> modules.
then here is my +1
--
Torsten
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.19:
> Torsten Curdt wrote:
>
>>> The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon?
>
>
> A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or
> something similar. We are a proper toplevel project right now, so the
> cocoon-apps thing might get replaced over the time by per-subproject
> modules.
Yes. AFAI am concerned, cocoon-apps is dead.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@verizon.net>.
>
>
>>>>The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
>>>>
>>>>
+1
Vadim
RE: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
+1
Carsten
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:stevenn@outerthought.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:19 AM
> To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
>
>
> Torsten Curdt wrote:
>
> >> The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
> >
> >
> > Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon?
>
> A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or
> something similar. We are a proper toplevel project right now, so the
> cocoon-apps thing might get replaced over the time by per-subproject
> modules.
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
>
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Torsten Curdt wrote:
>> The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
>
>
> Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon?
A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or
something similar. We are a proper toplevel project right now, so the
cocoon-apps thing might get replaced over the time by per-subproject
modules.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@dff.st>.
> The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon?
--
Torsten
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 24/2/03 23:42, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Pier Fumagalli wrote, On 25/02/2003 0.18:
>> On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
>>> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>>>
>>> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
>>> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
>>> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>>>
>>> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>>>
>>> Here's mine: +1
>>
>>
>> So, let me get it straight... It will be located in the incubator, as all
>> projects in incubation stage, but it will be responsibility of the Cocoon
>> PMC?
>
> Nope.
>
> The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
> The incubator does not want to *force* subprojects onto projects, so
> if/when the Cocoon PMC accepts it, we will incubate it and hand it to
> Cocoon when it's ok. Of course, the Cocoon project is invited to be pat
> of the incubation.
>
> If no Apache PMC wants that project as a final destination, we would
> have to evaluate it as a top-level project, which is not the case here,
> or simply as incubating, which can be the case in projects that start in
> Apache and are not well defined enough to apply for inclusion in another
> project.
>
> We don't want to incubate things we don't know where they will go if we
> can. We need a goal. In this case the goal is to make it go to Cocoon,
> so we need a "go ahead" from the Cocoon PMC.
Ah... Gotcha.. Now I understand how the "incubator" works! :-) Thank you for
the kind explaination...
Pier
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 24/2/03 23:42, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Pier Fumagalli wrote, On 25/02/2003 0.18:
>> On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
>>> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>>>
>>> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
>>> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
>>> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>>>
>>> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>>>
>>> Here's mine: +1
>>
>>
>> So, let me get it straight... It will be located in the incubator, as all
>> projects in incubation stage, but it will be responsibility of the Cocoon
>> PMC?
>
> Nope.
>
> The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
> The incubator does not want to *force* subprojects onto projects, so
> if/when the Cocoon PMC accepts it, we will incubate it and hand it to
> Cocoon when it's ok. Of course, the Cocoon project is invited to be pat
> of the incubation.
>
> If no Apache PMC wants that project as a final destination, we would
> have to evaluate it as a top-level project, which is not the case here,
> or simply as incubating, which can be the case in projects that start in
> Apache and are not well defined enough to apply for inclusion in another
> project.
>
> We don't want to incubate things we don't know where they will go if we
> can. We need a goal. In this case the goal is to make it go to Cocoon,
> so we need a "go ahead" from the Cocoon PMC.
Ah... Gotcha.. Now I understand how the "incubator" works! :-) Thank you for
the kind explaination...
Pier
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Pier Fumagalli wrote, On 25/02/2003 0.18:
> On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
>>proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>>
>>This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
>>I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
>>vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>>
>>Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>>
>>Here's mine: +1
>
>
> So, let me get it straight... It will be located in the incubator, as all
> projects in incubation stage, but it will be responsibility of the Cocoon
> PMC?
Nope.
The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
The incubator does not want to *force* subprojects onto projects, so
if/when the Cocoon PMC accepts it, we will incubate it and hand it to
Cocoon when it's ok. Of course, the Cocoon project is invited to be pat
of the incubation.
If no Apache PMC wants that project as a final destination, we would
have to evaluate it as a top-level project, which is not the case here,
or simply as incubating, which can be the case in projects that start in
Apache and are not well defined enough to apply for inclusion in another
project.
We don't want to incubate things we don't know where they will go if we
can. We need a goal. In this case the goal is to make it go to Cocoon,
so we need a "go ahead" from the Cocoon PMC.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Pier Fumagalli wrote, On 25/02/2003 0.18:
> On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
>>proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>>
>>This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
>>I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
>>vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>>
>>Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>>
>>Here's mine: +1
>
>
> So, let me get it straight... It will be located in the incubator, as all
> projects in incubation stage, but it will be responsibility of the Cocoon
> PMC?
Nope.
The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon.
The incubator does not want to *force* subprojects onto projects, so
if/when the Cocoon PMC accepts it, we will incubate it and hand it to
Cocoon when it's ok. Of course, the Cocoon project is invited to be pat
of the incubation.
If no Apache PMC wants that project as a final destination, we would
have to evaluate it as a top-level project, which is not the case here,
or simply as incubating, which can be the case in projects that start in
Apache and are not well defined enough to apply for inclusion in another
project.
We don't want to incubate things we don't know where they will go if we
can. We need a goal. In this case the goal is to make it go to Cocoon,
so we need a "go ahead" from the Cocoon PMC.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
> Here's mine: +1
So, let me get it straight... It will be located in the incubator, as all
projects in incubation stage, but it will be responsibility of the Cocoon
PMC? Just out of curiosity, because I'm not following all those new politics
stuff all around the foundation, and I'm not a PMC member over here!!! :-)
:-) :-)
Pier (I'm FREEE!!!)
RE: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Matthew Langham <ml...@s-und-n.de>.
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
+1
Matthew
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Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
> Here's mine: +1
So, let me get it straight... It will be located in the incubator, as all
projects in incubation stage, but it will be responsibility of the Cocoon
PMC? Just out of curiosity, because I'm not following all those new politics
stuff all around the foundation, and I'm not a PMC member over here!!! :-)
:-) :-)
Pier (I'm FREEE!!!)
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Diana Shannon <sh...@apache.org>.
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 06:01 PM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
+1
Diana
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@codeconsult.ch>.
Late but:
+1
-Bertrand
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
> ...
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
+1
Giacomo
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
> Here's mine: +1
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Proposal for Lenya
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:01:16 +0100
> From: Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.org>
> Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>
> Dear Incubator List
>
> Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management
> System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at:
>
> http://www.wyona.org/lenya.html
>
> Relevant Links are also:
>
> http://www.wyona.org/docs/xdocs/architecture.html
>
> http://www.wyona.org/roadmap.html
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Proposal for Lenya, A Cocoon Subproject (via Incubator)
>
>
> Date:
>
> 14 February 2003
>
>
> Authors:
>
> Gregor J. Rothfuss
> (gregor.rothfuss@wyona.org)
>
> Michael H. Wechner
> (michael.wechner@wyona.org)
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Rationale
>
>
> Lenya is a content management system built around open standards
> like XML and XSLT. It is currently based on the XML publishing and
> application framework Cocoon.
>
> One of the core philosophies is to avoid lock-in.
> You should be able to switch the CMS at any time.
> Lenya, unlike other Content Management Systems, goes the extra mile to make
> sure that its contents and functionalities can easily be migrated (or
> exchanged with) to and from other
> systems.
> This means that all components (access controller, revision controller,
> scheduler, etc.) are also based on XML.
>
> Another core philosophy is to make the CMS as user-friendly as possible.
> This has already been achieved quite well by the Lenya menubar, which
> allows the user/editor to navigate within the original publication.
> The menubar is the only UI element to learn by a human editor.
> Through the implementation of the WYSIWYG editor software Xopus (and
> Bitflux), Lenya makes editing
> XML documents effortless even for non-technical users.
>
> Lenya fits nicely into a multi-tier architecture made up of various ASF
> projects:
>
>
>
> Xopus <--> Lenya <--> Cocoon <--> Slide <--> Xindice
>
> where
>
> Xopus: WYSIWYG Editor (subject to another incubator proposal)
> Lenya: Content Management System
> Cocoon: XML Publishing and Application Framework
> Slide: Content Management Framework (WebDAV and Content Repository API)
> Xindice: XML Content Store
>
>
>
> Lenya leverages existing Apache projects as parts of its multi-tier
> architecture,
> whereas the editor (e.g. Xopus) and the content store (e.g. Xindice) are
> replaceable
> by any other interface compliant editor resp. content store. Lenya
> already supports
> more than one editor (Xopus, Bitflux and HTML-Form-Editor). More
> information on
> the architecture is available at
> http://www.wyona.org/docs/xdocs/architecture.html.
>
> Lenya was formerly known as Wyona CMS, but out of respect and to avoid
> branding collisions with the commercial entity Wyona
> (http://www.wyona.com), the CMS project will be renamed to Lenya.
> More information on the Wyona CMS project is available at
> http://www.wyona.org.
>
> Criteria
>
>
> Meritocracy:
> Design decisions are discussed on the Lenya developers mailing
> list, and are taken with an eye towards easy integration with
> underlying technologies such as Cocoon and Slide in mind. Input
> from the community is regularly explicitly requested and is
> incorporated into the roadmap.
>
> Current Community:
> The Lenya community consists of the employees of Wyona AG,
> its customers, third-party developers and interested
> individuals. At this time, there are 78 individuals on the
> Lenya developers mailing list and 149 individuals on the Lenya users
> mailing list.
>
> Deployment:
> -NZZ (the most prestigious newspaper of Switzerland, http://www.nzz.ch)
> -University of Zurich (http://www.unipublic.unizh.ch)
> -Computerworld (http://www.computerworld.ch)
> -OSCOM (Open Source Content Management, http://www.oscom.org/matrix/
>
> Core Developers:
> Michael Wechner developed the first version of Lenya in 1999.
> By the end of 2001 Michael Wechner ported Lenya on top of Cocoon with
> the help of Giacomo Pati and Memo Birgi.
> 5 developers at Wyona AG contribute to the Wyona project on a regular
> basis, and there
> are also external committers.
>
> Alignment:
> Lenya is based on and built around several Apache projects,
> and is licensed under the Apache Software License.
>
> Scope:
> Develop Lenya as (a currently missing) part of a multi-tier architecture for
> content management, made up of various ASF projects.
>
> Warning Signs
>
>
> Orphaned code:
> Lenya has some dead code predating its port to Cocoon, but we are
> refactoring it as we speak.
> We aim to use even more
> Apache software in the future, gradually ripping out our
> home-brewed code.
>
> Inexperience:
> The orginal creator/author of Lenya, Michael Wechner, has been working
> with XML technologies and Java for over 5 years. The first
> version of Lenya predated Coccon, and he actually wrote his own
> XML pipeline processor before he gladly left that part to Cocoon.
> Other core contributors have years of experience in writing web
> applications in various languages and environments
> (Java, PHP, Perl, ASP *GASP* and other, forgotten languages)
> and are very active in the open source community (cocooncenter,
> Postnuke/Xaraya, OSCOM, etc.).
>
> Homogeneous Developers:
> Our developers have very diverse backgrounds, bringing very
> different opinions about "the right way to do it" to the project.
> This results in lively discussions as more options are evaluated.
>
> Reliance on Salaried Developers:
> While the most part of developement activities originates from
> Wyona AG, there are also external contributors. The aim
> is thus to strenghten and diversify the developer base.
>
> No ties to other Apache Products:
> See above, Lenya makes extensive use of Apache technologies.
>
> Fascination with Apache Brand:
> We at Lenya both marvel at the technical skills of the Apache
> projects, and its love for standards.
> Being proponents of Java and XML technologies, and due to our
> own experiences working in various open source projects,
> we feel that we see eye to eye with Apache.
>
> Scope
>
>
> The aim of the Lenya project is to produce a content management
> system that is clearly superior to alternatives in the areas
> where we want to focus. Our roadmap explains it in more detail
> (http://www.wyona.org/roadmap.html).
> We understand that a CMS cannot be a thing to all people, and we
> are aware of both our strengths and weaknesses.
>
> We believe that it is possible to create an XML(-Java)-based CMS that
> has both excellent technological foundations, yet is easy to use.
> Current efforts fall short in various ways.
> A closer cooperation with other Apache projects
> will allow us to concentrate even more on our strengths and will
> help us to overcome current pitfalls.
>
> Initial Source
>
> The initial source from which the subproject is to be populated is
> located at http://www.wyona.org.
>
> ASF Resources
>
>
> Mailing Lists
>
>
> lenya-users
>
> lenya-dev
>
> lenya-cvs
>
> lenya-docs
>
> Currently, there are mailing lists at
> http://mail.wyona.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo.
>
> CVS
>
>
> cocoon-lenya
>
> Currently, there is a CVS at http://cvs.wyona.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi.
>
> Bugzilla
>
>
>
> Currently, there is a bugzilla at http://cvs.wyona.org/bugs/.
>
>
> Inital Committers
>
>
> Jürgen Bigalke
> (juergen@bigalke.de)
>
> Memo Birgi
> (memo@otego.com)
>
> Edith Chevrier
> (edith.chevrier@wyona.com)
>
> Christian Egli
> (christian.egli@wyona.com)
>
> Andreas Hartmann
> (ah@cocooncenter.org)
>
> Marc Liyanage
> (liyanage@access.ch)
>
> Felix Mäder
> (felix.maeder@wyona.com)
>
> Giacomo Pati
> (giacomo@apache.org)
>
> Gregor J. Rothfuss
> (gregor.rothfuss@wyona.com)
>
> Thorsten Scherler
> (thorsten.scherler@weidmueller.de)
>
> Michael Wechner
> (michael.wechner@wyona.org)
>
> Apache Sponsors
>
>
> Stefano Mazzocchi
> (stefano@apache.org)
>
> Nicola Ken Barozzi
> (nicolaken@apache.org)
>
> Open Issues
>
>
> Clarify the multi-tier architecture.
>
> Refine scope with regard to other Apache projects.
>
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