Re: [DISCUSS] Code of Conduct

[Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>]

On 09/22/2012 04:10 AM, Wolf Halton wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David McKay <dm...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/09/12 19:02, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/11/2012 02:50 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 11.09.2012 07:51, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a code of conduct here:
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/list-conduct.html
>>>>>
>>>>> These are the community's code and we should all agree to abide by the
>>>>> code. Maybe there is some more work to do exposing the code. Maybe
>>>>> the  code needs to be modified.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graduation requires the project to be self-governing. What do people
>>>>> think? I think we should discuss a few topics.
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) What are the consequences of breaking the code of conduct?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Loss of merit in the community including the possibility of losing
>>>>> any karma in the project. Karma is the ability to make commits.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Banning from the list. Moderators will need to treat offenders like
>>>>> spammers.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Who is responsible for enforcing the code?
>>>>>
>>>>> - it should be enforced by anyone who sees it happening. In most cases
>>>>> a reminder will be enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> - what if they won't stop? who is next? If the PPMC is working it
>>>>> should be noticed, but if not then probably a note to ooo-private.
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) How do we expose the code?
>>>>>
>>>>> - we have unsubscribe links on ooo-users, we could add a link to the
>>>>> policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> (4) Should we update the code?
>>>>>
>>>>> - the code should be edited to include the information decided for (1)
>>>>> and (2)
>>>>>
>>>>> - anything else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please feel free to elaborate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's leave this open for a week to discuss. No need to hurry.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also think that we should use these code of conduct as guidelines
>>>> instead of strict rules.
>>>>   From my point of view, we should make clear that certain consequences -
>>>> like to one mentioned above - may occur in case of repeated violation.
>>>> As I do not want that something like this will happen in the future I
>>>> think we can save the time now to discuss the consequences in detail and
>>>> for every case. We just have to make clear the possible consequences and
>>>> that we will decide on case-by-case.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards, Oliver.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I too believe these were basically constructed as behavior guidelines, and
>>> not enforceable codes/regulations. Andrea's comments also seem worthwhile.
>>
>>
>> Yes, that's the case. Wolf and I worked on them, as a desired code of
>> behaviour and consideration, we were trying to avoid the 'list of rules' way
>> of doing it. But maybe we need something a little different?
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>>>
>>> I think it would be advantageous for the ASF (as a whole) to adopt and
>>> publish expected Codes of Conduct.
>>>
>>> I see from:
>>>
>>> http://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#NewbieFAQ-IsthereaCodeofConductforApacheprojects?
>>>
>>> that this seems to be project specific and I wonder why.
>>>
>>> So, some examples...
>>>
>>> General participation, and consequences:
>>> http://opensourcebridge.org/about/code-of-conduct/
>>> http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/
>>>
>>> More specifics for Board Members (toward the bottom):
>>> http://opensource.org/minutes20100505
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> We wrote them as guidelines at least partly because we do not have
> "power to arrest." Presuming we are (generally) all friends here, a
> gentle, nudge should be all that is required.
>
> Wolf
>

Regarding the actual subject of this old thread.

Should this particular page in question:

http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html

be renamed as "Code of Conduct" and given more prominence on the project 
website? Like perhaps a link under the "Community " area?

It would of course still be linked from the Mailing Lists page.

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