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Just let me be the first to say...
TGIF!!
Scott
www.exergonic.com.au
RE: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Rachel <we...@rachelandrew.co.uk>.
At 09:05 28/03/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Not a very good reason for not choosing to learn .NET
its mainly a business decision as the majority of clients I have and new
requests coming in are stating that they do not wish to use MS technology,
this has increased in the last year. Also, as whichever way I chose meant
learning something new, moving to Java simply appealed more than to .NET
(and I've had experience of both now and think I made the right choice ..
for me anyway)
not wanting to start an OS war ;) I have Solaris, Linux and Windows boxes
here and they all have their uses ...
Rachel
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Becky Norum <bn...@coe.neu.edu>.
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 07:18, Rachel wrote:
> I'm just
> finding there is an awful lot to learn!
>
> Rachel
That's the best and worst thing! Sometimes I feel like my head is gonna
explode.. but it's fun. Frustrating sometimes, but fun. =)
Becky
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RE: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Mark Galbreath <ma...@qat.com>.
Not a very good reason for not choosing to learn .NET, but at least you
didn't choose some pinko-fascist AI language like LISP.
Mark
C/Fast CGI Rulez!!!
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From: Rachel [mailto:webdev@rachelandrew.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:19 AM
I'm getting fewer requests for ASP stuff these days (which is good!) I made
the decision to move to Java rather than go for .NET (didn't want to be
tied to Windows) and so learning Struts is part of that plan ... I'm just
finding there is an awful lot to learn!
Rachel
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Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Dan Tran <da...@hotmail.com>.
Nicolas, thank your for all great suggestions. But I think I will stick
with the original session implementation. It is much simpler ...
-D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> That is just an example, I don't know what MAX value can be used for the
datas you want the user to submit.
>
> Another solution would be to put form-bean into session scope and add a
"to-be-removed" mecanism :
>
> When an action puts some form-bean on session scope for editing, it can
set a "to-be-removed" string in session scope
> with the form-bean name.
>
> Every action of the application has to do is job, and look for this
"to-be-removed". If it exists, remove the associated
> objet from session.
>
> This way :
> - Your action sets the form-bean for editing, with an intialized ArrayList
as "item" property.
> - Jsp generates HTML text fields for items.
> - If user follows the correct application behaviour, your edit-action gets
its form-bean from session and can remove it
> itself.
> - If user clicks on menu or use a bookmark, form-bean will be removed by
any other action.
>
> Nico.
>
> > Of course, your newest solution is better, but it still does not feel
right
> > regarding the MAX_INDEX allowed ;-)
> >
> > -D
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> >
> >
> > > If this hacking scenario makes you nervous, you can set an acceptable
max
> > index value :
> > >
> > > private static final int MAX_INDEX = 100;
> > >
> > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > if (index > MAX_INDEX) {
> > > throw new IndexOutOfBoundsException();
> > > }
> > >
> > >
> > > Nico.
> > >
> > > > Nicolas,
> > > >
> > > > Your great suggestion makes me nervous ... It is possible for a
hacker
> > to
> > > > change the index so big that it can hog the CPU, which busy creating
> > empty
> > > > node, for each request.
> > > >
> > > > However, I cant come up with another solution
> > > >
> > > > Any comments? anyone?
> > > >
> > > > -D
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
> > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:19 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Reading my own post I realize this code will throw an
> > > > IndexOutOfBoundsException
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to put 'empty' datas on the List as needed :
> > > > >
> > > > > protected List item;
> > > > >
> > > > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > > > }
> > > > > for (int i = this.item.size(); i < index; i++) {
> > > > > this.item.add("");
> > > > > }
> > > > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > Nico.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think you can use something like this in a request scoped
> > form-bean :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > protected List item;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > > > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > > > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > > > > } else {
> > > > > > this.item.ensureCapacity(index);
> > > > > > }
> > > > > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > > > > }
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This way, when form-bean population occurs, you will get a new
> > > > Collection when needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nico.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many
session
> > > > scoped
> > > > > > > form beans.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a bean that contains a collection and I use
nested:iterate
> > to
> > > > > > > display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is
submitted,
> > I
> > > > get
> > > > > > > an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new bean (when
the
> > bean
> > > > is
> > > > > > > request scoped) contains an empty collection and populate()
tries
> > to
> > > > set
> > > > > > > the properties of the elements that existed on the bean of the
> > > > previous
> > > > > > > request.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I change the bean to session scope, everything works fine
> > (because
> > > > > > > now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think it's
kind
> > of
> > > > > > > messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jorge Mascena
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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RES: Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Jorge Mascena <jo...@cesar.org.br>.
I like this approach. It's really smart. The only problem that I see is
regarding multiple browser windows. What if the user has more than one
browser window on the same "screen" but working on different instances?
For example, the user might have an "order" form for client 1 and
another "order" form for client 2 open simultaneously. Using a session
scope bean (singleton) wouldn't be recommended in such cases (the same
form bean instance for more than one entry form).
Anyway, I realize now that the issue is bigger than I thought. Thank you
guys for shedding some light on this topic.
Jorge
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Nicolas De Loof [mailto:nicolas.deloof@cgey.com]
> Enviada em: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:01 AM
> Para: Struts Users Mailing List
> Assunto: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
>
>
> That is just an example, I don't know what MAX value can be
> used for the datas you want the user to submit.
>
> Another solution would be to put form-bean into session scope
> and add a "to-be-removed" mecanism :
>
> When an action puts some form-bean on session scope for
> editing, it can set a "to-be-removed" string in session scope
> with the form-bean name.
>
> Every action of the application has to do is job, and look
> for this "to-be-removed". If it exists, remove the associated
> objet from session.
>
> This way :
> - Your action sets the form-bean for editing, with an
> intialized ArrayList as "item" property.
> - Jsp generates HTML text fields for items.
> - If user follows the correct application behaviour, your
> edit-action gets its form-bean from session and can remove it itself.
> - If user clicks on menu or use a bookmark, form-bean will be
> removed by any other action.
>
> Nico.
>
> > Of course, your newest solution is better, but it still
> does not feel
> > right regarding the MAX_INDEX allowed ;-)
> >
> > -D
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> >
> >
> > > If this hacking scenario makes you nervous, you can set an
> > > acceptable max
> > index value :
> > >
> > > private static final int MAX_INDEX = 100;
> > >
> > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > if (index > MAX_INDEX) {
> > > throw new IndexOutOfBoundsException();
> > > }
> > >
> > >
> > > Nico.
> > >
> > > > Nicolas,
> > > >
> > > > Your great suggestion makes me nervous ... It is possible for a
> > > > hacker
> > to
> > > > change the index so big that it can hog the CPU, which busy
> > > > creating
> > empty
> > > > node, for each request.
> > > >
> > > > However, I cant come up with another solution
> > > >
> > > > Any comments? anyone?
> > > >
> > > > -D
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
> > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:19 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Reading my own post I realize this code will throw an
> > > > IndexOutOfBoundsException
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to put 'empty' datas on the List as needed :
> > > > >
> > > > > protected List item;
> > > > >
> > > > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > > > }
> > > > > for (int i = this.item.size(); i < index; i++) {
> > > > > this.item.add("");
> > > > > }
> > > > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > Nico.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think you can use something like this in a request scoped
> > form-bean :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > protected List item;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > > > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > > > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > > > > } else {
> > > > > > this.item.ensureCapacity(index);
> > > > > > }
> > > > > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > > > > }
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This way, when form-bean population occurs, you
> will get a new
> > > > Collection when needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nico.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many
> > > > > > > session
> > > > scoped
> > > > > > > form beans.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a bean that contains a collection and I use
> > > > > > > nested:iterate
> > to
> > > > > > > display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is
> > > > > > > submitted,
> > I
> > > > get
> > > > > > > an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new
> bean (when
> > > > > > > the
> > bean
> > > > is
> > > > > > > request scoped) contains an empty collection and
> populate()
> > > > > > > tries
> > to
> > > > set
> > > > > > > the properties of the elements that existed on
> the bean of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > previous
> > > > > > > request.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I change the bean to session scope, everything
> works fine
> > (because
> > > > > > > now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think
> > > > > > > it's kind
> > of
> > > > > > > messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jorge Mascena
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
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Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Nicolas De Loof <ni...@cgey.com>.
That is just an example, I don't know what MAX value can be used for the datas you want the user to submit.
Another solution would be to put form-bean into session scope and add a "to-be-removed" mecanism :
When an action puts some form-bean on session scope for editing, it can set a "to-be-removed" string in session scope
with the form-bean name.
Every action of the application has to do is job, and look for this "to-be-removed". If it exists, remove the associated
objet from session.
This way :
- Your action sets the form-bean for editing, with an intialized ArrayList as "item" property.
- Jsp generates HTML text fields for items.
- If user follows the correct application behaviour, your edit-action gets its form-bean from session and can remove it
itself.
- If user clicks on menu or use a bookmark, form-bean will be removed by any other action.
Nico.
> Of course, your newest solution is better, but it still does not feel right
> regarding the MAX_INDEX allowed ;-)
>
> -D
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
>
>
> > If this hacking scenario makes you nervous, you can set an acceptable max
> index value :
> >
> > private static final int MAX_INDEX = 100;
> >
> > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > if (index > MAX_INDEX) {
> > throw new IndexOutOfBoundsException();
> > }
> >
> >
> > Nico.
> >
> > > Nicolas,
> > >
> > > Your great suggestion makes me nervous ... It is possible for a hacker
> to
> > > change the index so big that it can hog the CPU, which busy creating
> empty
> > > node, for each request.
> > >
> > > However, I cant come up with another solution
> > >
> > > Any comments? anyone?
> > >
> > > -D
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:19 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Reading my own post I realize this code will throw an
> > > IndexOutOfBoundsException
> > > >
> > > > You need to put 'empty' datas on the List as needed :
> > > >
> > > > protected List item;
> > > >
> > > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > > }
> > > > for (int i = this.item.size(); i < index; i++) {
> > > > this.item.add("");
> > > > }
> > > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > Nico.
> > > >
> > > > > I think you can use something like this in a request scoped
> form-bean :
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > protected List item;
> > > > >
> > > > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > > > } else {
> > > > > this.item.ensureCapacity(index);
> > > > > }
> > > > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > This way, when form-bean population occurs, you will get a new
> > > Collection when needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nico.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many session
> > > scoped
> > > > > > form beans.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a bean that contains a collection and I use nested:iterate
> to
> > > > > > display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is submitted,
> I
> > > get
> > > > > > an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new bean (when the
> bean
> > > is
> > > > > > request scoped) contains an empty collection and populate() tries
> to
> > > set
> > > > > > the properties of the elements that existed on the bean of the
> > > previous
> > > > > > request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I change the bean to session scope, everything works fine
> (because
> > > > > > now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think it's kind
> of
> > > > > > messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jorge Mascena
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Dan Tran <da...@hotmail.com>.
Of course, your newest solution is better, but it still does not feel right
regarding the MAX_INDEX allowed ;-)
-D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> If this hacking scenario makes you nervous, you can set an acceptable max
index value :
>
> private static final int MAX_INDEX = 100;
>
> public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> if (index > MAX_INDEX) {
> throw new IndexOutOfBoundsException();
> }
>
>
> Nico.
>
> > Nicolas,
> >
> > Your great suggestion makes me nervous ... It is possible for a hacker
to
> > change the index so big that it can hog the CPU, which busy creating
empty
> > node, for each request.
> >
> > However, I cant come up with another solution
> >
> > Any comments? anyone?
> >
> > -D
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> >
> >
> > > Reading my own post I realize this code will throw an
> > IndexOutOfBoundsException
> > >
> > > You need to put 'empty' datas on the List as needed :
> > >
> > > protected List item;
> > >
> > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > }
> > > for (int i = this.item.size(); i < index; i++) {
> > > this.item.add("");
> > > }
> > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > }
> > >
> > > Nico.
> > >
> > > > I think you can use something like this in a request scoped
form-bean :
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > protected List item;
> > > >
> > > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > > } else {
> > > > this.item.ensureCapacity(index);
> > > > }
> > > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > This way, when form-bean population occurs, you will get a new
> > Collection when needed.
> > > >
> > > > Nico.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many session
> > scoped
> > > > > form beans.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a bean that contains a collection and I use nested:iterate
to
> > > > > display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is submitted,
I
> > get
> > > > > an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new bean (when the
bean
> > is
> > > > > request scoped) contains an empty collection and populate() tries
to
> > set
> > > > > the properties of the elements that existed on the bean of the
> > previous
> > > > > request.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I change the bean to session scope, everything works fine
(because
> > > > > now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think it's kind
of
> > > > > messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Jorge Mascena
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Nicolas De Loof <ni...@cgey.com>.
If this hacking scenario makes you nervous, you can set an acceptable max index value :
private static final int MAX_INDEX = 100;
public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
if (index > MAX_INDEX) {
throw new IndexOutOfBoundsException();
}
Nico.
> Nicolas,
>
> Your great suggestion makes me nervous ... It is possible for a hacker to
> change the index so big that it can hog the CPU, which busy creating empty
> node, for each request.
>
> However, I cant come up with another solution
>
> Any comments? anyone?
>
> -D
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
>
>
> > Reading my own post I realize this code will throw an
> IndexOutOfBoundsException
> >
> > You need to put 'empty' datas on the List as needed :
> >
> > protected List item;
> >
> > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > if (this.item == null) {
> > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > }
> > for (int i = this.item.size(); i < index; i++) {
> > this.item.add("");
> > }
> > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > }
> >
> > Nico.
> >
> > > I think you can use something like this in a request scoped form-bean :
> > >
> > >
> > > protected List item;
> > >
> > > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > > if (this.item == null) {
> > > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > > } else {
> > > this.item.ensureCapacity(index);
> > > }
> > > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > > }
> > >
> > > This way, when form-bean population occurs, you will get a new
> Collection when needed.
> > >
> > > Nico.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many session
> scoped
> > > > form beans.
> > > >
> > > > I have a bean that contains a collection and I use nested:iterate to
> > > > display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is submitted, I
> get
> > > > an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new bean (when the bean
> is
> > > > request scoped) contains an empty collection and populate() tries to
> set
> > > > the properties of the elements that existed on the bean of the
> previous
> > > > request.
> > > >
> > > > If I change the bean to session scope, everything works fine (because
> > > > now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think it's kind of
> > > > messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
> > > >
> > > > I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Jorge Mascena
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Dan Tran <da...@hotmail.com>.
Nicolas,
Your great suggestion makes me nervous ... It is possible for a hacker to
change the index so big that it can hog the CPU, which busy creating empty
node, for each request.
However, I cant come up with another solution
Any comments? anyone?
-D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas De Loof" <ni...@cgey.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
> Reading my own post I realize this code will throw an
IndexOutOfBoundsException
>
> You need to put 'empty' datas on the List as needed :
>
> protected List item;
>
> public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> if (this.item == null) {
> this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> }
> for (int i = this.item.size(); i < index; i++) {
> this.item.add("");
> }
> this.item.add(index, obj);
> }
>
> Nico.
>
> > I think you can use something like this in a request scoped form-bean :
> >
> >
> > protected List item;
> >
> > public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> > if (this.item == null) {
> > this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> > } else {
> > this.item.ensureCapacity(index);
> > }
> > this.item.add(index, obj);
> > }
> >
> > This way, when form-bean population occurs, you will get a new
Collection when needed.
> >
> > Nico.
> >
> >
> > > I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many session
scoped
> > > form beans.
> > >
> > > I have a bean that contains a collection and I use nested:iterate to
> > > display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is submitted, I
get
> > > an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new bean (when the bean
is
> > > request scoped) contains an empty collection and populate() tries to
set
> > > the properties of the elements that existed on the bean of the
previous
> > > request.
> > >
> > > If I change the bean to session scope, everything works fine (because
> > > now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think it's kind of
> > > messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Jorge Mascena
> > >
> > >
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Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Nicolas De Loof <ni...@cgey.com>.
Reading my own post I realize this code will throw an IndexOutOfBoundsException
You need to put 'empty' datas on the List as needed :
protected List item;
public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
if (this.item == null) {
this.item = new ArrayList(index);
}
for (int i = this.item.size(); i < index; i++) {
this.item.add("");
}
this.item.add(index, obj);
}
Nico.
> I think you can use something like this in a request scoped form-bean :
>
>
> protected List item;
>
> public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
> if (this.item == null) {
> this.item = new ArrayList(index);
> } else {
> this.item.ensureCapacity(index);
> }
> this.item.add(index, obj);
> }
>
> This way, when form-bean population occurs, you will get a new Collection when needed.
>
> Nico.
>
>
> > I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many session scoped
> > form beans.
> >
> > I have a bean that contains a collection and I use nested:iterate to
> > display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is submitted, I get
> > an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new bean (when the bean is
> > request scoped) contains an empty collection and populate() tries to set
> > the properties of the elements that existed on the bean of the previous
> > request.
> >
> > If I change the bean to session scope, everything works fine (because
> > now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think it's kind of
> > messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
> >
> > I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jorge Mascena
> >
> >
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Re: Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Nicolas De Loof <ni...@cgey.com>.
I think you can use something like this in a request scoped form-bean :
protected List item;
public void setItem(int index, Object obj) {
if (this.item == null) {
this.item = new ArrayList(index);
} else {
this.item.ensureCapacity(index);
}
this.item.add(index, obj);
}
This way, when form-bean population occurs, you will get a new Collection when needed.
Nico.
> I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many session scoped
> form beans.
>
> I have a bean that contains a collection and I use nested:iterate to
> display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is submitted, I get
> an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new bean (when the bean is
> request scoped) contains an empty collection and populate() tries to set
> the properties of the elements that existed on the bean of the previous
> request.
>
> If I change the bean to session scope, everything works fine (because
> now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think it's kind of
> messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
>
> I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jorge Mascena
>
>
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Too many session scoped form beans!
Posted by Jorge Mascena <jo...@cesar.org.br>.
I'd like to know if it's possible to avoid using to many session scoped
form beans.
I have a bean that contains a collection and I use nested:iterate to
display entry fields on my html:form. When the form is submitted, I get
an error in BeanUtils.populate(), because the new bean (when the bean is
request scoped) contains an empty collection and populate() tries to set
the properties of the elements that existed on the bean of the previous
request.
If I change the bean to session scope, everything works fine (because
now the bean is the same for both requests), but I think it's kind of
messy to have lots of session scoped beans.
I'd appreciate to have any comments on this subject.
Thanks
Jorge Mascena
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RE: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
hehe ... and JSF just around the corner too :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel [mailto:webdev@rachelandrew.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 20:19
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Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
At 11:43 28/03/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>i really feel for you using ASP in regards with how easy you could make
your
>life if you totally dropped it and used Struts :-)
it's actually quite good, because I am always finding things out and it's
like 'wow ... I don't have to write masses of crazy code to do this', I
might have given up on learning this had I not been able to see how good it
is in contrast to other technologies that I have been using for years.
I'm getting fewer requests for ASP stuff these days (which is good!) I made
the decision to move to Java rather than go for .NET (didn't want to be
tied to Windows) and so learning Struts is part of that plan ... I'm just
finding there is an awful lot to learn!
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Rachel <we...@rachelandrew.co.uk>.
At 11:43 28/03/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>i really feel for you using ASP in regards with how easy you could make your
>life if you totally dropped it and used Struts :-)
it's actually quite good, because I am always finding things out and it's
like 'wow ... I don't have to write masses of crazy code to do this', I
might have given up on learning this had I not been able to see how good it
is in contrast to other technologies that I have been using for years.
I'm getting fewer requests for ASP stuff these days (which is good!) I made
the decision to move to Java rather than go for .NET (didn't want to be
tied to Windows) and so learning Struts is part of that plan ... I'm just
finding there is an awful lot to learn!
Rachel
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Stephen Smithstone <sk...@lchost.co.uk>.
i really feel for you using ASP in regards with how easy you could make your
life if you totally dropped it and used Struts :-)
On Friday 28 March 2003 11:58 am, Rachel wrote:
> At 15:58 28/03/2003 +0800, you wrote:
> >:)
> >
> >I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
> >bought.
>
> I now have Programming Jakarta Struts and Struts in Action, and it's only
> at the weekend that my clients stop asking me to write ASP long enough for
> me to do any work on my endeavor to learn how to use Struts... its slowly
> starting to make sense :)
>
> Rachel
>
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Rachel <we...@rachelandrew.co.uk>.
At 15:58 28/03/2003 +0800, you wrote:
>:)
>
>I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
>bought.
I now have Programming Jakarta Struts and Struts in Action, and it's only
at the weekend that my clients stop asking me to write ASP long enough for
me to do any work on my endeavor to learn how to use Struts... its slowly
starting to make sense :)
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Emmanuel Feller <em...@free.fr>.
Yes I know what you mean ...
I check the website and everythings are all right but every time i read this
book i add some "requirements" and i want to evolve my point of view on
struts and advanced features ...
so i retake it almost one or two times a week ;))
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
> Check the website for errata though - I read the first chapter 4 times
> and still couldn't understand it. Then corrected the typos and it all
> clicked :)
>
> * Emmanuel Feller <em...@free.fr> [0311 08:11]:
> > Best one ...
> > i read it more than two times and it is still the book on my night table
...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kwok Peng Tuck" <pe...@makmal.net>
> >
> >
> > > Struts in Action.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Hill wrote:
> > >
> > > >Which one?
>
> --
> Yeah, but you're taking the universe out of context.
> Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Rasputin <ra...@idoru.mine.nu>.
Check the website for errata though - I read the first chapter 4 times
and still couldn't understand it. Then corrected the typos and it all
clicked :)
* Emmanuel Feller <em...@free.fr> [0311 08:11]:
> Best one ...
> i read it more than two times and it is still the book on my night table ...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kwok Peng Tuck" <pe...@makmal.net>
>
>
> > Struts in Action.
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew Hill wrote:
> >
> > >Which one?
--
Yeah, but you're taking the universe out of context.
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Simon Kelly <ke...@ipe.fzk.de>.
Rocky-road would be my first choice, but double-choc-chip is nice second
....
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> I have a stock of inspiration near me how much do you want ,
> and with wich flavor ? ananas, apple, chery ?
>
> lol
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Kelly" <ke...@ipe.fzk.de>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
> > Ah yes ... that voodoo that you do .....
> >
> > Worst joke I could come up with on 14 cups of coffee and two apples. I
> need
> > more inspiration ...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Becky Norum" <bn...@coe.neu.edu>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> >
> >
> > > On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 05:50, Simon Kelly wrote:
> > > > Was just lookin for something that was close to a top-hat. I get
> bored
> > > > easily ;-) and I don't have my teddy bear to play with :-(
> > >
> > > awww.. I have a voodoo doll at my desk that keeps me entertained.
> > > Great for getting out all sorts of frustrations.. :D
> > >
> > > Becky
> > >
> > >
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Alexandre Jaquet <al...@freesurf.ch>.
I have a stock of inspiration near me how much do you want ,
and with wich flavor ? ananas, apple, chery ?
lol
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> Ah yes ... that voodoo that you do .....
>
> Worst joke I could come up with on 14 cups of coffee and two apples. I
need
> more inspiration ...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Becky Norum" <bn...@coe.neu.edu>
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> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:00 PM
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>
>
> > On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 05:50, Simon Kelly wrote:
> > > Was just lookin for something that was close to a top-hat. I get
bored
> > > easily ;-) and I don't have my teddy bear to play with :-(
> >
> > awww.. I have a voodoo doll at my desk that keeps me entertained.
> > Great for getting out all sorts of frustrations.. :D
> >
> > Becky
> >
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Becky Norum <bn...@coe.neu.edu>.
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 06:12, Simon Kelly wrote:
> Ah yes ... that voodoo that you do .....
>
> Worst joke I could come up with on 14 cups of coffee and two apples. I need
> more inspiration ...
I do hope you are kidding. Or do you have stock in some antacid
company? =)
I need coffee badly.. but Dunkin Donuts doesn't open for 30 minutes and
the other coffee shop's coffee tastes like used motor oil. Really.
Becky
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Simon Kelly <ke...@ipe.fzk.de>.
Ah yes ... that voodoo that you do .....
Worst joke I could come up with on 14 cups of coffee and two apples. I need
more inspiration ...
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> On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 05:50, Simon Kelly wrote:
> > Was just lookin for something that was close to a top-hat. I get bored
> > easily ;-) and I don't have my teddy bear to play with :-(
>
> awww.. I have a voodoo doll at my desk that keeps me entertained.
> Great for getting out all sorts of frustrations.. :D
>
> Becky
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Becky Norum <bn...@coe.neu.edu>.
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 05:50, Simon Kelly wrote:
> Was just lookin for something that was close to a top-hat. I get bored
> easily ;-) and I don't have my teddy bear to play with :-(
awww.. I have a voodoo doll at my desk that keeps me entertained.
Great for getting out all sorts of frustrations.. :D
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Simon Kelly <ke...@ipe.fzk.de>.
Was just lookin for something that was close to a top-hat. I get bored
easily ;-) and I don't have my teddy bear to play with :-(
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> On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 03:41, Simon Kelly wrote:
> > However, "House at Pooh Corner" is still my volume of choice, with a
nice
> > cup of coco.
> >
> > =]:0) Simon
>
> Now that's a smiley I've never seen before.. care to enlighten, Simon?
>
> Becky
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Becky Norum <bn...@coe.neu.edu>.
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 03:41, Simon Kelly wrote:
> However, "House at Pooh Corner" is still my volume of choice, with a nice
> cup of coco.
>
> =]:0) Simon
Now that's a smiley I've never seen before.. care to enlighten, Simon?
Becky
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Simon Kelly <ke...@ipe.fzk.de>.
I preferred the subtle nuances of "Programming Jakarta Struts", to the
simplicity of "Struts in Action" myself.
However, "House at Pooh Corner" is still my volume of choice, with a nice
cup of coco.
=]:0) Simon
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From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:14 AM
Subject: RE: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> Yep. My favourite too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel Feller [mailto:emmanuel.feller@free.fr]
> Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 16:15
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
> Best one ...
> i read it more than two times and it is still the book on my night table
...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kwok Peng Tuck" <pe...@makmal.net>
>
>
> > Struts in Action.
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew Hill wrote:
> >
> > >Which one?
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Kwok Peng Tuck [mailto:pengtuck@makmal.net]
> > >Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:59
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> > >
> > >
> > >:)
> > >
> > >I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
> > >bought.
> > >
> > >Scott Barr wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I think its under all that vodka and ice ....?!
> > >>
> > >>On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:06, Affan Qureshi wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
> > >>>
> > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
> > >>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
> > >>>Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
> > >>>>Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
> > >>>>ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
> > >>>>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
> > >>>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >>>>Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>+1
> > >>>>
> > >>>>The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
> > >>>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
> > >>>>Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>TGIF!!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Scott
> > >>>>>www.exergonic.com.au
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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RE: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Yep. My favourite too.
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel Feller [mailto:emmanuel.feller@free.fr]
Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 16:15
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Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Best one ...
i read it more than two times and it is still the book on my night table ...
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From: "Kwok Peng Tuck" <pe...@makmal.net>
> Struts in Action.
>
>
>
> Andrew Hill wrote:
>
> >Which one?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kwok Peng Tuck [mailto:pengtuck@makmal.net]
> >Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:59
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> >
> >
> >:)
> >
> >I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
> >bought.
> >
> >Scott Barr wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I think its under all that vodka and ice ....?!
> >>
> >>On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:06, Affan Qureshi wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
> >>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
> >>>Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
> >>>>Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
> >>>>ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
> >>>>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
> >>>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >>>>Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>+1
> >>>>
> >>>>The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
> >>>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
> >>>>Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>TGIF!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Scott
> >>>>>www.exergonic.com.au
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Emmanuel Feller <em...@free.fr>.
Best one ...
i read it more than two times and it is still the book on my night table ...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwok Peng Tuck" <pe...@makmal.net>
> Struts in Action.
>
>
>
> Andrew Hill wrote:
>
> >Which one?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kwok Peng Tuck [mailto:pengtuck@makmal.net]
> >Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:59
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> >
> >
> >:)
> >
> >I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
> >bought.
> >
> >Scott Barr wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I think its under all that vodka and ice ....?!
> >>
> >>On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:06, Affan Qureshi wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
> >>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
> >>>Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
> >>>>Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
> >>>>ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
> >>>>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
> >>>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >>>>Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>+1
> >>>>
> >>>>The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
> >>>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
> >>>>Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>TGIF!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Scott
> >>>>>www.exergonic.com.au
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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RE: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Daniel Joshua <da...@gridnode.com>.
>Struts in Action.
Bad pun :(
Regards,
Daniel
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Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2003 4:12 PM
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Struts in Action.
Andrew Hill wrote:
>Which one?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kwok Peng Tuck [mailto:pengtuck@makmal.net]
>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:59
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
>:)
>
>I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
>bought.
>
>Scott Barr wrote:
>
>
>
>>I think its under all that vodka and ice ....?!
>>
>>On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:06, Affan Qureshi wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
>>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
>>>>Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
>>>>ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
>>>>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
>>>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>+1
>>>>
>>>>The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
>>>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
>>>>Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>TGIF!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott
>>>>>www.exergonic.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Kwok Peng Tuck <pe...@makmal.net>.
Struts in Action.
Andrew Hill wrote:
>Which one?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kwok Peng Tuck [mailto:pengtuck@makmal.net]
>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:59
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
>:)
>
>I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
>bought.
>
>Scott Barr wrote:
>
>
>
>>I think its under all that vodka and ice ....?!
>>
>>On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:06, Affan Qureshi wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
>>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
>>>>Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
>>>>ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
>>>>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
>>>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>+1
>>>>
>>>>The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
>>>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
>>>>Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>TGIF!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott
>>>>>www.exergonic.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>>
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RE: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Which one?
-----Original Message-----
From: Kwok Peng Tuck [mailto:pengtuck@makmal.net]
Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:59
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
:)
I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
bought.
Scott Barr wrote:
>I think its under all that vodka and ice ....?!
>
>On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:06, Affan Qureshi wrote:
>
>
>
>>I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
>>Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
>>>Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
>>>ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
>>>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
>>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>
>>>
>>>+1
>>>
>>>The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
>>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
>>>Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>TGIF!!
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>www.exergonic.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Kwok Peng Tuck <pe...@makmal.net>.
:)
I look forward to the weekends where I can read the struts book I just
bought.
Scott Barr wrote:
>I think its under all that vodka and ice ....?!
>
>On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:06, Affan Qureshi wrote:
>
>
>
>>I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
>>Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
>>>Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
>>>ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
>>>Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
>>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>
>>>
>>>+1
>>>
>>>The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
>>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
>>>Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>TGIF!!
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>www.exergonic.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Scott Barr <sc...@exergonic.com.au>.
I think its under all that vodka and ice ....?!
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:06, Affan Qureshi wrote:
> I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
> Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
> > Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
> > Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
> > ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
> > Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
> >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
> > To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
> > Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
> >
> >
> > >
> > > TGIF!!
> > >
> > > Scott
> > > www.exergonic.com.au
> > >
> > >
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[FRIDAY] Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Daniel Joshua <da...@gridnode.com>.
> Subject: [FRIDAY] Just let me be the first to say...
I do... you must be seeing things...
Regards,
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Affan Qureshi [mailto:quereshi@etilize.com]
Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2003 3:36 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com
Subject: [FRIDAY] Just let me be the first to say...
I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: [FRIDAY] Just let me be the first to say...
> Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
> Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
> ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
> Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [FRIDAY] Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
> +1
>
> The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
> Subject: [FRIDAY] Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
> >
> > TGIF!!
> >
> > Scott
> > www.exergonic.com.au
> >
> >
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[FRIDAY]Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Affan Qureshi <qu...@etilize.com>.
I can't see the [FRIDAY] prefix in the subject headers....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: Just let me be the first to say...
> Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
> Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
> ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
> Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
> +1
>
> The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
> Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
>
>
> >
> > TGIF!!
> >
> > Scott
> > www.exergonic.com.au
> >
> >
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RE: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Yep. Weekends are sweet. :-)
Not so many people in the office so got less distractions.
ahhh the joys of a career in IT...
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 15:05
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Just let me be the first to say...
+1
The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
>
> TGIF!!
>
> Scott
> www.exergonic.com.au
>
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Re: Just let me be the first to say...
Posted by Simon Kelly <ke...@ipe.fzk.de>.
+1
The weekend starts here!!!!! Wooo Hooo!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sc...@exergonic.com.au>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
Subject: Just let me be the first to say...
>
> TGIF!!
>
> Scott
> www.exergonic.com.au
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