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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@verizon.net> on 2003/08/01 15:29:50 UTC

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT]: Xerces-J 2.5.0 now available

Elena Litani wrote:

>Hi all, 
>
>The Xerces-J team is very happy to announce that version 2.5.0 of
>Xerces-J is now available.  
>
>This release provides a partial partial implementation of the XML
>Inclusions (XInclude) W3C Candidate Recommendation
>

Has anybody seen this / tried this with Cocoon?

Vadim



Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT]: Xerces-J 2.5.0 now available

Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
On Friday, Aug 1, 2003, at 17:10 Europe/Rome, Bruno Dumon wrote:

> On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 17:06, Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
>> Steven Noels wrote:
>>> On 1/08/2003 15:29 Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The Xerces-J team is very happy to announce that version 2.5.0 of
>>>>> Xerces-J is now available. This release provides a partial partial
>>>>> implementation of the XML
>>>>> Inclusions (XInclude) W3C Candidate Recommendation
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has anybody seen this / tried this with Cocoon?
>>>
>>>
>>> Our own Transformer already does XPointer & XML Base.
>>
>> But I would *love* to delegate that to the Xerces guys, if possible...
>> out implementation is partial and probably not going anywhere, theirs
>> might be much more supported and vital.
>>
>
> I find it quite odd that XInclude is part of the parser. They could as
> well start putting XSLT support in there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they added an XNI filter based on Xalan. 
After a while, a parser is a parser, there is not so much you can do on 
it ;-)

remeber that Xerces is pipeline based as well (internally).

> A cocoon XInclude transformer has the advantage that you can put it
> anywhere in the pipeline, i.e. after another transformation has been
> applied. And it allows to do XInclude processing on stuff that's not
> parsed from an XML file.

totally agre here.

--
Stefano.


Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT]: Xerces-J 2.5.0 now available

Posted by Bruno Dumon <br...@outerthought.org>.
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 17:06, Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
> Steven Noels wrote:
> > On 1/08/2003 15:29 Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> > 
> >>> The Xerces-J team is very happy to announce that version 2.5.0 of
> >>> Xerces-J is now available. This release provides a partial partial 
> >>> implementation of the XML
> >>> Inclusions (XInclude) W3C Candidate Recommendation
> >>>
> >>
> >> Has anybody seen this / tried this with Cocoon?
> > 
> > 
> > Our own Transformer already does XPointer & XML Base.
> 
> But I would *love* to delegate that to the Xerces guys, if possible... 
> out implementation is partial and probably not going anywhere, theirs 
> might be much more supported and vital.
> 

I find it quite odd that XInclude is part of the parser. They could as
well start putting XSLT support in there.

A cocoon XInclude transformer has the advantage that you can put it
anywhere in the pipeline, i.e. after another transformation has been
applied. And it allows to do XInclude processing on stuff that's not
parsed from an XML file.

-- 
Bruno Dumon                             http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
bruno@outerthought.org                          bruno@apache.org


Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT]: Xerces-J 2.5.0 now available

Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On 1/08/2003 17:06 Gianugo Rabellino wrote:

> out implementation is partial and probably not going anywhere, theirs 
> might be much more supported and vital.

That _might_ be just the case. ;-)

I wouldn't downplay what we are doing with low-level XML handling stuff, 
and also this often results in bugs being reported to the parser gurus. 
I've been doing some light XSLT development today, and I ended up being 
slightly annoyed with the quality of error handling in Xalan (let alone 
the way the eventual messages are being thrown forward in Cocoon).

I'd like to see a more unified approach however to the (n)Include stuff, 
it might be better to extend the standards syntax with specific 
constructs available as features in Cocoon's own Include transformer, 
rather than having two Include transformers side-by-side.

</Steven>
-- 
Steven Noels                            http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at            http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT]: Xerces-J 2.5.0 now available

Posted by Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> On 1/08/2003 15:29 Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> 
>>> The Xerces-J team is very happy to announce that version 2.5.0 of
>>> Xerces-J is now available. This release provides a partial partial 
>>> implementation of the XML
>>> Inclusions (XInclude) W3C Candidate Recommendation
>>>
>>
>> Has anybody seen this / tried this with Cocoon?
> 
> 
> Our own Transformer already does XPointer & XML Base.

But I would *love* to delegate that to the Xerces guys, if possible... 
out implementation is partial and probably not going anywhere, theirs 
might be much more supported and vital.

Ciao,

-- 
Gianugo Rabellino
Pro-netics s.r.l. -  http://www.pro-netics.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
     (Now blogging at: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/gianugo/)


Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT]: Xerces-J 2.5.0 now available

Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On 1/08/2003 15:29 Vadim Gritsenko wrote:

>> The Xerces-J team is very happy to announce that version 2.5.0 of
>> Xerces-J is now available. 
>> This release provides a partial partial implementation of the XML
>> Inclusions (XInclude) W3C Candidate Recommendation
>>
> 
> Has anybody seen this / tried this with Cocoon?

Our own Transformer already does XPointer & XML Base.

</Steven>
-- 
Steven Noels                            http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at            http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org                stevenn at apache.org