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[discuss] Mailing list usage...
There has been some concern over the proper usage of the Wicket
mailing lists. Here's what I propose:
users - used for folks to ask/answer questions concerning the wicket framework
announcements - used for announcing releases, upcoming user group meetings, etc.
developers - used for the actual developers/contributors to discuss
development issues
As for ongoing discussions about logistics of user group meetings, I
think they should have their own mailing lists for that. Some have
said they feel that it would split the community into different
countries if we did that. Perhaps the Wicket PMC could decided to set
up a specialized "groups" mailing list? The messages on that list
could be prefixed with the specific group's name (such as
[copenhagen]) so that email filters could be set up.
Any conversation that becomes personal in nature (well wishes for
other people's loved ones for example) should be taken off-line, since
it's just not relevant to the rest of us. Remember, these mailing
lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
On 1/29/08, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> > There has been some concern over the proper usage of the Wicket
> > mailing lists.
>
>
> Not really, just you :-)
I count as "some"! :-)
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 1/29/08, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think a community@ list is preferable for ongoing community issues. But
> this will not eliminate the (need for) use of user@ for user group efforts,
> as the new community list will not be as populated as the user@ list.
>
I've proposed this on the dev@ list. Comments/improvements should go there.
Martijn
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> There has been some concern over the proper usage of the Wicket
> mailing lists.
Not really, just you :-)
> Here's what I propose:
>
> users - used for folks to ask/answer questions concerning the wicket
> framework
>
> announcements - used for announcing releases, upcoming user group
> meetings, etc.
>
> developers - used for the actual developers/contributors to discuss
> development issues
This is already the case. There just isn't a category for user group
meetings.
Perhaps the Wicket PMC could decided to set
> up a specialized "groups" mailing list? The messages on that list
> could be prefixed with the specific group's name (such as
> [copenhagen]) so that email filters could be set up.
I think a community@ list is preferable for ongoing community issues. But
this will not eliminate the (need for) use of user@ for user group efforts,
as the new community list will not be as populated as the user@ list.
Martijn
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
ahh ok, I thought so.. but got in doubt..
Maurice Marrink wrote:
> wicket stuff does not have a separate mailinglist anymore, just use
> the wicket userlist
>
> Maurice
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 10:37 PM, Robby O'Connor <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Strike that.
>>
>>
>> Robby O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't it just a SF mailing list? I'd say via the sf project page?
>>>
>>> Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where do I sign up for wicketstuff-user and wicketstuff-dev?
>>>>
>>>> Is this mentioned on the wicketstuff wiki?
>>>>
>>>> -regards Nino
>>>>
>>>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The way most (if not all) Wicket committers keep track of this list
>>>>> (and all
>>>>> other mailing lists for that matter) is to use gmail as their list
>>>>> reading
>>>>> platform. The threaded view of gmail is unsurpassed IMO.
>>>>> I have 0 unread Wicket messages on all lists I'm subscribed to: user,
>>>>> dev,
>>>>> commits, private, wicketstuff-user, wicketstuff-dev
>>>>>
>>>>> Martijn
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/08, Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember, these mailing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
>>>>>>>> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> between
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> our
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> list go down a route where we take out any and all personal
>>>>>>> interactions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> personal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The
>>>>>>> number of
>>>>>>> w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of
>>>>>>> personal
>>>>>>> life sharing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> messages,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
>>>>>>> remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
>>>>>> learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
>>>>>> questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
>>>>>> Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
>>>>>> the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
>>>>>> noise ratio helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
>>>>>> into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
>>>>>> question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
>>>>>> diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
>>>>>>
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Maurice Marrink <ma...@gmail.com>.
wicket stuff does not have a separate mailinglist anymore, just use
the wicket userlist
Maurice
On Jan 29, 2008 10:37 PM, Robby O'Connor <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Strike that.
>
>
> Robby O'Connor wrote:
> > Isn't it just a SF mailing list? I'd say via the sf project page?
> >
> > Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael wrote:
> >> Where do I sign up for wicketstuff-user and wicketstuff-dev?
> >>
> >> Is this mentioned on the wicketstuff wiki?
> >>
> >> -regards Nino
> >>
> >> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> >>> The way most (if not all) Wicket committers keep track of this list
> >>> (and all
> >>> other mailing lists for that matter) is to use gmail as their list
> >>> reading
> >>> platform. The threaded view of gmail is unsurpassed IMO.
> >>> I have 0 unread Wicket messages on all lists I'm subscribed to: user,
> >>> dev,
> >>> commits, private, wicketstuff-user, wicketstuff-dev
> >>>
> >>> Martijn
> >>>
> >>> On 1/29/08, Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Remember, these mailing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
> >>>>>> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions
> >>>>>
> >>>> between
> >>>>
> >>>>> people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction
> >>>>>
> >>>> that
> >>>>
> >>>>> happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a
> >>>>>
> >>>> community.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see
> >>>>>
> >>>> our
> >>>>
> >>>>> list go down a route where we take out any and all personal
> >>>>> interactions
> >>>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>> have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly
> >>>>>
> >>>> personal
> >>>>
> >>>>> chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The
> >>>>> number of
> >>>>> w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of
> >>>>> personal
> >>>>> life sharing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private
> >>>>>
> >>>> messages,
> >>>>
> >>>>> however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
> >>>>> remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
> >>>> learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
> >>>> questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
> >>>> Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
> >>>> the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
> >>>> noise ratio helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
> >>>> into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
> >>>> question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
> >>>> diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
> >>>>
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Robby O'Connor <ro...@gmail.com>.
Strike that.
Robby O'Connor wrote:
> Isn't it just a SF mailing list? I'd say via the sf project page?
>
> Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael wrote:
>> Where do I sign up for wicketstuff-user and wicketstuff-dev?
>>
>> Is this mentioned on the wicketstuff wiki?
>>
>> -regards Nino
>>
>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>> The way most (if not all) Wicket committers keep track of this list
>>> (and all
>>> other mailing lists for that matter) is to use gmail as their list
>>> reading
>>> platform. The threaded view of gmail is unsurpassed IMO.
>>> I have 0 unread Wicket messages on all lists I'm subscribed to: user,
>>> dev,
>>> commits, private, wicketstuff-user, wicketstuff-dev
>>>
>>> Martijn
>>>
>>> On 1/29/08, Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, these mailing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
>>>>>> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions
>>>>>
>>>> between
>>>>
>>>>> people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful
>>>>> and
>>>>> open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction
>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>> happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a
>>>>>
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>>> I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see
>>>>>
>>>> our
>>>>
>>>>> list go down a route where we take out any and all personal
>>>>> interactions
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
>>>>>
>>>>> What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly
>>>>>
>>>> personal
>>>>
>>>>> chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The
>>>>> number of
>>>>> w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of
>>>>> personal
>>>>> life sharing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private
>>>>>
>>>> messages,
>>>>
>>>>> however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
>>>>> remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
>>>> learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
>>>> questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
>>>> Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
>>>> the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
>>>> noise ratio helps.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
>>>> into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
>>>> question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
>>>> diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Robby O'Connor <ro...@gmail.com>.
Isn't it just a SF mailing list? I'd say via the sf project page?
Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael wrote:
> Where do I sign up for wicketstuff-user and wicketstuff-dev?
>
> Is this mentioned on the wicketstuff wiki?
>
> -regards Nino
>
> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>> The way most (if not all) Wicket committers keep track of this list
>> (and all
>> other mailing lists for that matter) is to use gmail as their list
>> reading
>> platform. The threaded view of gmail is unsurpassed IMO.
>> I have 0 unread Wicket messages on all lists I'm subscribed to: user,
>> dev,
>> commits, private, wicketstuff-user, wicketstuff-dev
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>> On 1/29/08, Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg> wrote:
>>
>>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Remember, these mailing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
>>>>> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions
>>>>
>>> between
>>>
>>>> people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful
>>>> and
>>>> open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction
>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>> happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a
>>>>
>>> community.
>>>
>>>> I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see
>>>>
>>> our
>>>
>>>> list go down a route where we take out any and all personal
>>>> interactions
>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
>>>>
>>>> What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly
>>>>
>>> personal
>>>
>>>> chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The
>>>> number of
>>>> w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of
>>>> personal
>>>> life sharing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private
>>>>
>>> messages,
>>>
>>>> however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
>>>> remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
>>> learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
>>> questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
>>> Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
>>> the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
>>> noise ratio helps.
>>>
>>> That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
>>> into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
>>> question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
>>> diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
Where do I sign up for wicketstuff-user and wicketstuff-dev?
Is this mentioned on the wicketstuff wiki?
-regards Nino
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> The way most (if not all) Wicket committers keep track of this list (and all
> other mailing lists for that matter) is to use gmail as their list reading
> platform. The threaded view of gmail is unsurpassed IMO.
> I have 0 unread Wicket messages on all lists I'm subscribed to: user, dev,
> commits, private, wicketstuff-user, wicketstuff-dev
>
> Martijn
>
> On 1/29/08, Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg> wrote:
>
>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Remember, these mailing
>>>
>>>
>>>> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
>>>> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions
>>>
>> between
>>
>>> people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful and
>>> open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction
>>>
>> that
>>
>>> happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a
>>>
>> community.
>>
>>> I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see
>>>
>> our
>>
>>> list go down a route where we take out any and all personal interactions
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
>>>
>>> What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly
>>>
>> personal
>>
>>> chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The number of
>>> w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of personal
>>> life sharing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private
>>>
>> messages,
>>
>>> however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
>>> remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
>> learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
>> questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
>> Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
>> the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
>> noise ratio helps.
>>
>> That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
>> into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
>> question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
>> diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
>>
>>
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
im with Erik on this one...
-igor
On Jan 29, 2008 10:10 AM, Erik van Oosten <er...@grons.nl> wrote:
> Scott Swank wrote:
> > If the user groups are split onto a separate thread I would like to
> > see meeting announcements cross-posted to this list so that it's as
> > easy as possible for new users to find the meetings.
> >
>
> That kinds of defeats the purpose. So not splitting would be better IMHO.
>
> Erik.
>
>
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Erik van Oosten <er...@grons.nl>.
Scott Swank wrote:
> If the user groups are split onto a separate thread I would like to
> see meeting announcements cross-posted to this list so that it's as
> easy as possible for new users to find the meetings.
>
That kinds of defeats the purpose. So not splitting would be better IMHO.
Erik.
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
Yeah, I had a thought on that aswell...
regards Nino
Scott Swank wrote:
> If the user groups are split onto a separate thread I would like to
> see meeting announcements cross-posted to this list so that it's as
> easy as possible for new users to find the meetings.
>
> - Scott
>
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Scott Swank <sc...@gmail.com>.
If the user groups are split onto a separate thread I would like to
see meeting announcements cross-posted to this list so that it's as
easy as possible for new users to find the meetings.
- Scott
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
you can also use thunderbird[1], it has a similar threaded view.
[1]=http://www.mozilla-europe.org/da/products/thunderbird/
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> The way most (if not all) Wicket committers keep track of this list (and all
> other mailing lists for that matter) is to use gmail as their list reading
> platform. The threaded view of gmail is unsurpassed IMO.
> I have 0 unread Wicket messages on all lists I'm subscribed to: user, dev,
> commits, private, wicketstuff-user, wicketstuff-dev
>
> Martijn
>
> On 1/29/08, Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg> wrote:
>
>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Remember, these mailing
>>>
>>>
>>>> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
>>>> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions
>>>
>> between
>>
>>> people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful and
>>> open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction
>>>
>> that
>>
>>> happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a
>>>
>> community.
>>
>>> I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see
>>>
>> our
>>
>>> list go down a route where we take out any and all personal interactions
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
>>>
>>> What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly
>>>
>> personal
>>
>>> chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The number of
>>> w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of personal
>>> life sharing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private
>>>
>> messages,
>>
>>> however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
>>> remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
>> learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
>> questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
>> Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
>> the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
>> noise ratio helps.
>>
>> That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
>> into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
>> question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
>> diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
>>
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
a big +1 from me, dont know how i would deal with all this traffic
without gmail...
-igor
On Jan 29, 2008 8:26 AM, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The way most (if not all) Wicket committers keep track of this list (and all
> other mailing lists for that matter) is to use gmail as their list reading
> platform. The threaded view of gmail is unsurpassed IMO.
> I have 0 unread Wicket messages on all lists I'm subscribed to: user, dev,
> commits, private, wicketstuff-user, wicketstuff-dev
>
> Martijn
>
>
> On 1/29/08, Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg> wrote:
> >
> > Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> > > On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Remember, these mailing
> > >
> > >> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
> > >> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions
> > between
> > > people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful and
> > > open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction
> > that
> > > happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a
> > community.
> > >
> > > I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see
> > our
> > > list go down a route where we take out any and all personal interactions
> > and
> > > have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
> > >
> > > What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly
> > personal
> > > chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The number of
> > > w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of personal
> > > life sharing.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private
> > messages,
> > > however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
> > > remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
> > >
> > >
> > This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
> > learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
> > questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
> > Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
> > the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
> > noise ratio helps.
> >
> > That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
> > into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
> > question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
> > diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
> >
> >
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
The way most (if not all) Wicket committers keep track of this list (and all
other mailing lists for that matter) is to use gmail as their list reading
platform. The threaded view of gmail is unsurpassed IMO.
I have 0 unread Wicket messages on all lists I'm subscribed to: user, dev,
commits, private, wicketstuff-user, wicketstuff-dev
Martijn
On 1/29/08, Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg> wrote:
>
> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> > On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> > Remember, these mailing
> >
> >> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
> >> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions
> between
> > people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful and
> > open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction
> that
> > happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a
> community.
> >
> > I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see
> our
> > list go down a route where we take out any and all personal interactions
> and
> > have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
> >
> > What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly
> personal
> > chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The number of
> > w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of personal
> > life sharing.
> >
> >
> > Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private
> messages,
> > however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
> > remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
> >
> >
> This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
> learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
> questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
> Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
> the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
> noise ratio helps.
>
> That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
> into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
> question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
> diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
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Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Curtis Cooley <cu...@venture.com.sg>.
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Remember, these mailing
>
>> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
>> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
>>
>
>
>
> Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions between
> people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful and
> open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction that
> happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a community.
>
> I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see our
> list go down a route where we take out any and all personal interactions and
> have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
>
> What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly personal
> chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The number of
> w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of personal
> life sharing.
>
>
> Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private messages,
> however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
> remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
>
>
This is a delicate problem. I rarely ever contribute since I'm still
learning and I really appreciate the complete answers I get when I ask
questions; however it is very difficult for me to follow this list.
Perhaps to some it doesn't seem high volume, but it easily triples all
the other mail I get. To me anything that perhaps improves the signal to
noise ratio helps.
That said, I wouldn't want it turned into what advanced-servlets turned
into. That list was basically dead quiet and whenever someone did ask a
question there was a 90% chance the responses would be two page
diatribes on how that question was not an advanced-servlet question.
Re: [discuss] Mailing list usage...
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 1/29/08, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Any conversation that becomes personal in nature (well wishes for
> other people's loved ones for example) should be taken off-line, since
> it's just not relevant to the rest of us.
I agree in partial with this sentiment, however...
Remember, these mailing
> lists are used by thousands of people all over the world and they're
> here for a specific reason, to learn about Wicket (or to help others).
Remember that we are all humans, and that the social interactions between
people is what makes a community thrive, as long as it is respectful and
open. The occasional personal wish, note or other social interaction that
happens on the list makes us remember that we are human, and a community.
I think in this case the sharing was not off limits, and I hate to see our
list go down a route where we take out any and all personal interactions and
have to limit ourselves to the java problem du jour.
What we do need to be careful of is that it transcends into mostly personal
chitchat. However I don't see that happening anytime soon. The number of
w00t ftw and other messages is pretty low, as are the number of personal
life sharing.
Yes these messages are better suited to personal blogs or private messages,
however I am not willing to start a police hunt or moderation effort to
remove any and all personal sharing on these lists.
Martijn
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