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Posted to dev@datafu.apache.org by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> on 2018/01/03 01:50:37 UTC
Re: Speaking of podling reports
Ping!
On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I know I've been kind of absent lately, but what's
> the current thinking on graduation?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <jo...@apache.org>
> Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 2:49 PM
> Subject: Podling Report Reminder - January 2018
> To: dev@datafu.incubator.apache.org
>
>
> Dear podling,
>
> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
> prepare your quarterly board report.
>
> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 17 January 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> submission (Wed, January 03).
>
> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
> meeting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> The Apache Incubator PMC
>
> Submitting your Report
>
> ----------------------
>
> Your report should contain the following:
>
> * Your project name
> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> the project or necessarily of its field
> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> towards graduation.
> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
> aware of
> * How has the community developed since the last report
> * How has the project developed since the last report.
> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>
> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
>
> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
> this page is created from a template.
>
> Mentors
> -------
>
> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> for the Incubator PMC.
>
> Incubator PMC
Re: Speaking of podling reports
Posted by Matthew Hayes <ma...@gmail.com>.
I'd like to share some updates. I've remove the section about removing
committers from the "Becoming a Committer" page below.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Becoming+a+Committer
I've asked committers if they would like to join the PMC. I've updated the
"Graduation Resolution" below with those folks that accepted. The
remaining people declined to remain committers.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Graduation+Resolution
I've kicked off the release process for 1.3.3, which includes the sha512
fix. This release will address one of the graduation comments about the
SHA-512 file extension being wrong. I'm working on the remaining issues
raised that have been filed in
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DATAFU-131
-Matt
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Matthew Hayes <
matthew.terence.hayes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Roman. I fixed the conflicts in the report. Please take a look.
>
> Regarding your comments,
>
> 1) Having committers stay indefinitely makes sense to me. I'll update the
> wiki page.
> 2) Having PMC == committers also makes sense to me. I'll email all the
> current committers if they are willing to join the PMC.
> 3) I'll kick off a release vote soon with the sha512 fix.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
>> There seems to be some merging artifacts on the report. Can you please
>> take look?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Matthew Hayes
>> <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Report updating: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Matthew Hayes <
>> > matthew.terence.hayes@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Roman,
>> >>
>> >> I started a discussion
>> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general
>> /201710.mbox/browser> on
>> >> graduation in October. Some feedback was
>> >>
>> >> 1) concern over number of committers vs. number of PMC members (here
>> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general
>> /201710.mbox/%3Cop.y7jw80af4ntv07%40desktop-v42f38k%3E>
>> >> and here
>> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general
>> /201710.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_tXYM0MgZ_QUJg9xDiWUr2_VG5Msde9
>> 6fmvBuBQriK-w%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>> >> )
>> >> 2) process for how committers are removed (here
>> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general
>> /201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeYLxX5VD-t7Z4MQkKQ6y_M8BEdU975tjsUbAY7B
>> 5qVu3Zw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>> >> )
>> >> 3) various website issues and an issue regarding sha512 checksum
>> extension
>> >> (here
>> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general
>> /201710.mbox/%3CCAOGo0VZN4mLw-eS-Oz8W1hVhS70Y_BwwikJjRi9Sx3n
>> 0s8sFMg%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>> >> )
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if any action is required for #2; this was based on
>> >> Fineract's process, which seemed reasonable to us. Do committers
>> usually
>> >> remain indefinitely? I don't have a strong opinion either way.
>> >>
>> >> For #1, I thought from previous discussions that having 4 PMC members
>> was
>> >> sufficient. John said 5 members was the bare minimum. I'm sure if we
>> >> asked more committers would be willing to join the PMC. Mike suggested
>> >> asking who would like to remain a committer going forward after
>> >> graduation. Generally, immediately after graduation should the
>> committer
>> >> list equal the PMC list? i.e. should we ask who would like to remain
>> as
>> >> both a committer and and PMC member?
>> >>
>> >> For #3, most of the issues raised with the website have been fixed.
>> Most
>> >> of the Whimsy checks for DataFu
>> >> <https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/datafu> are now green, aside
>> from
>> >> Events and Image, which don't seem to pass for anyone, and License,
>> which
>> >> seems like an invalid check to me. I'm working on addressing the
>> remaining
>> >> issues for #3. The sha512 issue requires a new release, which we
>> should do
>> >> anyways.
>> >>
>> >> -Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Ping!
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <
>> roman@shaposhnik.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > Hi!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I know I've been kind of absent lately, but what's
>> >>> > the current thinking on graduation?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks,
>> >>> > Roman.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> > From: <jo...@apache.org>
>> >>> > Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 2:49 PM
>> >>> > Subject: Podling Report Reminder - January 2018
>> >>> > To: dev@datafu.incubator.apache.org
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Dear podling,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>> >>> > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time
>> to
>> >>> > prepare your quarterly board report.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 17 January 2018, 10:30 am
>> PDT.
>> >>> > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>> >>> > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2
>> weeks
>> >>> > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>> >>> > submission (Wed, January 03).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the
>> Incubator
>> >>> > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>> >>> > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the
>> board
>> >>> > meeting.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The Apache Incubator PMC
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Submitting your Report
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ----------------------
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Your report should contain the following:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > * Your project name
>> >>> > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge
>> of
>> >>> > the project or necessarily of its field
>> >>> > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>> >>> > towards graduation.
>> >>> > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need
>> to be
>> >>> > aware of
>> >>> > * How has the community developed since the last report
>> >>> > * How has the project developed since the last report.
>> >>> > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little
>> before
>> >>> > this page is created from a template.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mentors
>> >>> > -------
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them
>> off on
>> >>> > the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>> >>> > following the project - projects that are not signed may raise
>> alarms
>> >>> > for the Incubator PMC.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Incubator PMC
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>
Re: Speaking of podling reports
Posted by Matthew Hayes <ma...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Roman. I fixed the conflicts in the report. Please take a look.
Regarding your comments,
1) Having committers stay indefinitely makes sense to me. I'll update the
wiki page.
2) Having PMC == committers also makes sense to me. I'll email all the
current committers if they are willing to join the PMC.
3) I'll kick off a release vote soon with the sha512 fix.
-Matt
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> There seems to be some merging artifacts on the report. Can you please
> take look?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Matthew Hayes
> <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Report updating: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Matthew Hayes <
> > matthew.terence.hayes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Roman,
> >>
> >> I started a discussion
> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201710.mbox/browser> on
> >> graduation in October. Some feedback was
> >>
> >> 1) concern over number of committers vs. number of PMC members (here
> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201710.mbox/%3Cop.y7jw80af4ntv07%40desktop-v42f38k%3E>
> >> and here
> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_tXYM0MgZ_QUJg9xDiWUr2_
> VG5Msde96fmvBuBQriK-w%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> >> )
> >> 2) process for how committers are removed (here
> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeYLxX5VD-t7Z4MQkKQ6y_
> M8BEdU975tjsUbAY7B5qVu3Zw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> >> )
> >> 3) various website issues and an issue regarding sha512 checksum
> extension
> >> (here
> >> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOGo0VZN4mLw-eS-Oz8W1hVhS70Y_
> BwwikJjRi9Sx3n0s8sFMg%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> >> )
> >>
> >> I don't know if any action is required for #2; this was based on
> >> Fineract's process, which seemed reasonable to us. Do committers
> usually
> >> remain indefinitely? I don't have a strong opinion either way.
> >>
> >> For #1, I thought from previous discussions that having 4 PMC members
> was
> >> sufficient. John said 5 members was the bare minimum. I'm sure if we
> >> asked more committers would be willing to join the PMC. Mike suggested
> >> asking who would like to remain a committer going forward after
> >> graduation. Generally, immediately after graduation should the
> committer
> >> list equal the PMC list? i.e. should we ask who would like to remain as
> >> both a committer and and PMC member?
> >>
> >> For #3, most of the issues raised with the website have been fixed.
> Most
> >> of the Whimsy checks for DataFu
> >> <https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/datafu> are now green, aside
> from
> >> Events and Image, which don't seem to pass for anyone, and License,
> which
> >> seems like an invalid check to me. I'm working on addressing the
> remaining
> >> issues for #3. The sha512 issue requires a new release, which we
> should do
> >> anyways.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ping!
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <
> roman@shaposhnik.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Hi!
> >>> >
> >>> > I know I've been kind of absent lately, but what's
> >>> > the current thinking on graduation?
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> > Roman.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> > From: <jo...@apache.org>
> >>> > Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 2:49 PM
> >>> > Subject: Podling Report Reminder - January 2018
> >>> > To: dev@datafu.incubator.apache.org
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Dear podling,
> >>> >
> >>> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> >>> > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time
> to
> >>> > prepare your quarterly board report.
> >>> >
> >>> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 17 January 2018, 10:30 am
> PDT.
> >>> > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> >>> > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2
> weeks
> >>> > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> >>> > submission (Wed, January 03).
> >>> >
> >>> > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> >>> > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> >>> > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the
> board
> >>> > meeting.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> >
> >>> > The Apache Incubator PMC
> >>> >
> >>> > Submitting your Report
> >>> >
> >>> > ----------------------
> >>> >
> >>> > Your report should contain the following:
> >>> >
> >>> > * Your project name
> >>> > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge
> of
> >>> > the project or necessarily of its field
> >>> > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> >>> > towards graduation.
> >>> > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need
> to be
> >>> > aware of
> >>> > * How has the community developed since the last report
> >>> > * How has the project developed since the last report.
> >>> > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> >>> >
> >>> > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> >>> >
> >>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
> >>> >
> >>> > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little
> before
> >>> > this page is created from a template.
> >>> >
> >>> > Mentors
> >>> > -------
> >>> >
> >>> > Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off
> on
> >>> > the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> >>> > following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> >>> > for the Incubator PMC.
> >>> >
> >>> > Incubator PMC
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: Speaking of podling reports
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
There seems to be some merging artifacts on the report. Can you please
take look?
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Matthew Hayes
<ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Report updating: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Matthew Hayes <
> matthew.terence.hayes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Roman,
>>
>> I started a discussion
>> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/browser> on
>> graduation in October. Some feedback was
>>
>> 1) concern over number of committers vs. number of PMC members (here
>> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3Cop.y7jw80af4ntv07%40desktop-v42f38k%3E>
>> and here
>> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_tXYM0MgZ_QUJg9xDiWUr2_VG5Msde96fmvBuBQriK-w%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>> )
>> 2) process for how committers are removed (here
>> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeYLxX5VD-t7Z4MQkKQ6y_M8BEdU975tjsUbAY7B5qVu3Zw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>> )
>> 3) various website issues and an issue regarding sha512 checksum extension
>> (here
>> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOGo0VZN4mLw-eS-Oz8W1hVhS70Y_BwwikJjRi9Sx3n0s8sFMg%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>> )
>>
>> I don't know if any action is required for #2; this was based on
>> Fineract's process, which seemed reasonable to us. Do committers usually
>> remain indefinitely? I don't have a strong opinion either way.
>>
>> For #1, I thought from previous discussions that having 4 PMC members was
>> sufficient. John said 5 members was the bare minimum. I'm sure if we
>> asked more committers would be willing to join the PMC. Mike suggested
>> asking who would like to remain a committer going forward after
>> graduation. Generally, immediately after graduation should the committer
>> list equal the PMC list? i.e. should we ask who would like to remain as
>> both a committer and and PMC member?
>>
>> For #3, most of the issues raised with the website have been fixed. Most
>> of the Whimsy checks for DataFu
>> <https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/datafu> are now green, aside from
>> Events and Image, which don't seem to pass for anyone, and License, which
>> seems like an invalid check to me. I'm working on addressing the remaining
>> issues for #3. The sha512 issue requires a new release, which we should do
>> anyways.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ping!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi!
>>> >
>>> > I know I've been kind of absent lately, but what's
>>> > the current thinking on graduation?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Roman.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: <jo...@apache.org>
>>> > Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 2:49 PM
>>> > Subject: Podling Report Reminder - January 2018
>>> > To: dev@datafu.incubator.apache.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear podling,
>>> >
>>> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>>> > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
>>> > prepare your quarterly board report.
>>> >
>>> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 17 January 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
>>> > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>>> > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
>>> > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>>> > submission (Wed, January 03).
>>> >
>>> > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>>> > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>>> > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
>>> > meeting.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > The Apache Incubator PMC
>>> >
>>> > Submitting your Report
>>> >
>>> > ----------------------
>>> >
>>> > Your report should contain the following:
>>> >
>>> > * Your project name
>>> > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
>>> > the project or necessarily of its field
>>> > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>>> > towards graduation.
>>> > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
>>> > aware of
>>> > * How has the community developed since the last report
>>> > * How has the project developed since the last report.
>>> > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>>> >
>>> > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>>> >
>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
>>> >
>>> > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
>>> > this page is created from a template.
>>> >
>>> > Mentors
>>> > -------
>>> >
>>> > Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
>>> > the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>>> > following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
>>> > for the Incubator PMC.
>>> >
>>> > Incubator PMC
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Speaking of podling reports
Posted by Matthew Hayes <ma...@gmail.com>.
Report updating: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Matthew Hayes <
matthew.terence.hayes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Roman,
>
> I started a discussion
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/browser> on
> graduation in October. Some feedback was
>
> 1) concern over number of committers vs. number of PMC members (here
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3Cop.y7jw80af4ntv07%40desktop-v42f38k%3E>
> and here
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_tXYM0MgZ_QUJg9xDiWUr2_VG5Msde96fmvBuBQriK-w%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> )
> 2) process for how committers are removed (here
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeYLxX5VD-t7Z4MQkKQ6y_M8BEdU975tjsUbAY7B5qVu3Zw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> )
> 3) various website issues and an issue regarding sha512 checksum extension
> (here
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOGo0VZN4mLw-eS-Oz8W1hVhS70Y_BwwikJjRi9Sx3n0s8sFMg%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> )
>
> I don't know if any action is required for #2; this was based on
> Fineract's process, which seemed reasonable to us. Do committers usually
> remain indefinitely? I don't have a strong opinion either way.
>
> For #1, I thought from previous discussions that having 4 PMC members was
> sufficient. John said 5 members was the bare minimum. I'm sure if we
> asked more committers would be willing to join the PMC. Mike suggested
> asking who would like to remain a committer going forward after
> graduation. Generally, immediately after graduation should the committer
> list equal the PMC list? i.e. should we ask who would like to remain as
> both a committer and and PMC member?
>
> For #3, most of the issues raised with the website have been fixed. Most
> of the Whimsy checks for DataFu
> <https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/datafu> are now green, aside from
> Events and Image, which don't seem to pass for anyone, and License, which
> seems like an invalid check to me. I'm working on addressing the remaining
> issues for #3. The sha512 issue requires a new release, which we should do
> anyways.
>
> -Matt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Ping!
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > I know I've been kind of absent lately, but what's
>> > the current thinking on graduation?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Roman.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: <jo...@apache.org>
>> > Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 2:49 PM
>> > Subject: Podling Report Reminder - January 2018
>> > To: dev@datafu.incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear podling,
>> >
>> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>> > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
>> > prepare your quarterly board report.
>> >
>> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 17 January 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
>> > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>> > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
>> > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>> > submission (Wed, January 03).
>> >
>> > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>> > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>> > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
>> > meeting.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > The Apache Incubator PMC
>> >
>> > Submitting your Report
>> >
>> > ----------------------
>> >
>> > Your report should contain the following:
>> >
>> > * Your project name
>> > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
>> > the project or necessarily of its field
>> > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>> > towards graduation.
>> > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
>> > aware of
>> > * How has the community developed since the last report
>> > * How has the project developed since the last report.
>> > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>> >
>> > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>> >
>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
>> >
>> > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
>> > this page is created from a template.
>> >
>> > Mentors
>> > -------
>> >
>> > Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
>> > the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>> > following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
>> > for the Incubator PMC.
>> >
>> > Incubator PMC
>>
>
>
Re: Speaking of podling reports
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Matthew Hayes
<ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Roman,
>
> I started a discussion
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/browser>
> on
> graduation in October. Some feedback was
>
> 1) concern over number of committers vs. number of PMC members (here
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3Cop.y7jw80af4ntv07%40desktop-v42f38k%3E>
> and here
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_tXYM0MgZ_QUJg9xDiWUr2_VG5Msde96fmvBuBQriK-w%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> )
> 2) process for how committers are removed (here
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeYLxX5VD-t7Z4MQkKQ6y_M8BEdU975tjsUbAY7B5qVu3Zw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> )
> 3) various website issues and an issue regarding sha512 checksum extension (
> here
> <https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOGo0VZN4mLw-eS-Oz8W1hVhS70Y_BwwikJjRi9Sx3n0s8sFMg%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
> )
>
> I don't know if any action is required for #2; this was based on Fineract's
> process, which seemed reasonable to us. Do committers usually remain
> indefinitely? I don't have a strong opinion either way.
In most projects -- yes. So how about we just do it the default way and
call it a day? Any strong objections?
> For #1, I thought from previous discussions that having 4 PMC members was
> sufficient. John said 5 members was the bare minimum.
John is NOT correct. There's nothing in the policy that states that. 4
PMC is fine,
but see bellow...
> I'm sure if we asked more committers would be willing to join the PMC. Mike suggested
> asking who would like to remain a committer going forward after
> graduation. Generally, immediately after graduation should the committer
> list equal the PMC list? i.e. should we ask who would like to remain as
> both a committer and and PMC member?
...for all of my podlings I have advocated PMC == committers at the graduation
point. I think it sets up a very healthy culture for the project.
Is this something you guys are willing to consider?
Now, of course, you will still have to *ask* existing committers if they would
like to join a PMC (given an additional set of responsibilities) but typically
most people say yes.
> For #3, most of the issues raised with the website have been fixed. Most
> of the Whimsy checks for DataFu
> <https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/datafu> are now green, aside from
> Events and Image, which don't seem to pass for anyone, and License, which
> seems like an invalid check to me. I'm working on addressing the remaining
> issues for #3. The sha512 issue requires a new release, which we should do
> anyways.
Great. So lets see if we can do this final push for graduation in the coming
month or so.
Thanks,
Roman.
Re: Speaking of podling reports
Posted by Matthew Hayes <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Roman,
I started a discussion
<https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/browser>
on
graduation in October. Some feedback was
1) concern over number of committers vs. number of PMC members (here
<https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3Cop.y7jw80af4ntv07%40desktop-v42f38k%3E>
and here
<https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_tXYM0MgZ_QUJg9xDiWUr2_VG5Msde96fmvBuBQriK-w%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
)
2) process for how committers are removed (here
<https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAFAMeYLxX5VD-t7Z4MQkKQ6y_M8BEdU975tjsUbAY7B5qVu3Zw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
)
3) various website issues and an issue regarding sha512 checksum extension (
here
<https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201710.mbox/%3CCAOGo0VZN4mLw-eS-Oz8W1hVhS70Y_BwwikJjRi9Sx3n0s8sFMg%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
)
I don't know if any action is required for #2; this was based on Fineract's
process, which seemed reasonable to us. Do committers usually remain
indefinitely? I don't have a strong opinion either way.
For #1, I thought from previous discussions that having 4 PMC members was
sufficient. John said 5 members was the bare minimum. I'm sure if we
asked more committers would be willing to join the PMC. Mike suggested
asking who would like to remain a committer going forward after
graduation. Generally, immediately after graduation should the committer
list equal the PMC list? i.e. should we ask who would like to remain as
both a committer and and PMC member?
For #3, most of the issues raised with the website have been fixed. Most
of the Whimsy checks for DataFu
<https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/datafu> are now green, aside from
Events and Image, which don't seem to pass for anyone, and License, which
seems like an invalid check to me. I'm working on addressing the remaining
issues for #3. The sha512 issue requires a new release, which we should do
anyways.
-Matt
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> Ping!
>
> On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I know I've been kind of absent lately, but what's
> > the current thinking on graduation?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: <jo...@apache.org>
> > Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 2:49 PM
> > Subject: Podling Report Reminder - January 2018
> > To: dev@datafu.incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
> > Dear podling,
> >
> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
> > prepare your quarterly board report.
> >
> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 17 January 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
> > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> > submission (Wed, January 03).
> >
> > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
> > meeting.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The Apache Incubator PMC
> >
> > Submitting your Report
> >
> > ----------------------
> >
> > Your report should contain the following:
> >
> > * Your project name
> > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> > the project or necessarily of its field
> > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> > towards graduation.
> > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
> > aware of
> > * How has the community developed since the last report
> > * How has the project developed since the last report.
> > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> >
> > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2018
> >
> > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
> > this page is created from a template.
> >
> > Mentors
> > -------
> >
> > Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
> > the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> > following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> > for the Incubator PMC.
> >
> > Incubator PMC
>