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Posted to dev@struts.apache.org by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> on 2006/01/17 22:22:19 UTC
J'J'JIRA (was Re: Non-discussion emails)
On 1/17/06, Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW, there was talk of switching to JIRA a while back. I'm still +1
> for that. Its a much nicer system and I find it less cumbersome then
> bugzilla. My point here is that its more tempting to "reply" to the
> bug in the proper place.
WebWork (and Roller) are already using JIRA. Strangely, you can import
tickets from other systems, but not from other JIRA instances (yet).
I've been talking to Jeff Turner about this, and one suggestion would
be to setup a separate JIRA instances for Struts and Roller, until
someone write the code that would let us combine them in to the JIRA
instance that the ASF already has.
Then, if we want to import the Bugzilla tickets into the new Struts
JIRA, we can, so we would have all the Struts tickets, Action 1,
Action 2, and Shale, all in the same place. (Yeah!)
Of course, under the heading "Eating our own dogfood", I'd like to see
us using JIRA, and Confluence, and Jive, because they run on WebWork /
Action 2. Ditto for Roller, which runs on Struts Action 1.
In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I'm told
that JIRA still runs on WW1, while Confluence runs on WW2.
-Ted.
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Re: J'J'JIRA (was Non-discussion emails)
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
Yes, Matthew, you're right, my choce of words is unfortunate. We
discussed the idea of Contigix submitting a Repsonse to the RFP, but
the discussions broke down when we realized that there would not be a
good match.
Since you've opened the door, I'll post the last exchange I have on
the thread. If there was another message after that, I did not receive
it, or it was mis-filtered somehow.
We continue to be very grateful to Contegix for their help with the
OpenSource site that powers the iBATIS and Geronimo wikis, along with
the Roller issue tracker, among many, many other projects.
-Ted.
On 12/7/05, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We would be interested in seeing the Contegrix response, but hosting
> through another data center might be a harder sell. All we really know
> at this point, is that what we are doing now isn't going to work
> indefinately. The easiest thing would be if someone could run with
> what we have, so that's what we expressed in the RFP. But, in the
> end, that might not be a practical option, and so we might need to
> consider alternatives.
>
> -Ted.
>
> On 12/7/05, Matthew E. Porter <ma...@contegix.com> wrote:
> > Ted:
> > I am still preparing a response but want to give you an update.
> > While we would absolutely *love* to help ASF and earn their business,
> > I am not sure if Contegix is the right fit. All of our hosting is in
> > our data center. It looks like the proposal is for a full-time
> > person to travel to colocation facilities around the globe.
> >
> > Do you think this would be something ASF is interested in at all?
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Matthew
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Re: J'J'JIRA (was Non-discussion emails)
Posted by Matthew Porter <fo...@opensymphony.com>.
> Unfortunately, Contegix did not respond to the
> Request for Proposal,
> and another host has been recommended to the board.
Ted, there seems to be a communication issue here. While we were happy to receive the RFP, the date we received it gave us a nearly no time to respond - less than 2 business days. Even with the information in the RFP, I had a number of questions, especially since the RFP was geared for hiring one person or a company to fly around and administer machines in data centers around the world. You confirmed this via phone.
When I contacted you regarding these concerns, you told me to submit questions to you and eventually the proposal. I submitted an email to you with questions right before ApacheCon stating that it would be difficult for me to submit a quote as we pride ourselves on selling customers a solution not just a bunch of servers. I never received a response.
Since I loathe pushy sales and figured you were busy, I did not become pesky and follow up. The next thing is I hear about this process is that ASF chose someone another company. To be frank, it was not surprising since Contegix is geared to deliver services in our data center not to numerous data centers around the world. We feel this is the only way to guarantee the levels we believe customers want.
I am sorry, but to say we never responded is just plain false especially when you and I talked on the phone, we exchanged emails, I never received a reply from you, and we were given the RFP mere days before the due date.
Sincerely,
Matthew
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Re: J'J'JIRA (was Non-discussion emails)
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
Unfortunately, Contegix did not respond to the Request for Proposal,
and another host has been recommended to the board. When the host
takes over, hopefully we will be able to try more things, but that's
still several months down the road. If for some reason, the new host
didn't work out, I'm sure Contegix would have another chance to submit
a proposal.
What we need to keep in mind is that it's not just about Struts, it's
about the ASF too.
-Ted.
On 1/17/06, Patrick Lightbody <fo...@opensymphony.com> wrote:
> Sort of also going off tangent again, but I can't sing the praises enough about Contegix and their hosting service. I know there are plenty of legal concerns that Ted tried explaining to me that might prevent them from being used, but if those can be worked around or addressed in another way, I am positive the Struts community would benefit from Contegix hosting infrastructure.
>
> They are _really_ good.
>
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J'J'JIRA (was Non-discussion emails)
Posted by Patrick Lightbody <fo...@opensymphony.com>.
Sort of also going off tangent again, but I can't sing the praises enough about Contegix and their hosting service. I know there are plenty of legal concerns that Ted tried explaining to me that might prevent them from being used, but if those can be worked around or addressed in another way, I am positive the Struts community would benefit from Contegix hosting infrastructure.
They are _really_ good.
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Re: J'J'JIRA (was Re: Non-discussion emails)
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 1/17/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 1/17/06, Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > BTW, there was talk of switching to JIRA a while back. I'm still +1
> > for that. Its a much nicer system and I find it less cumbersome then
> > bugzilla. My point here is that its more tempting to "reply" to the
> > bug in the proper place.
>
> WebWork (and Roller) are already using JIRA. Strangely, you can import
> tickets from other systems, but not from other JIRA instances (yet).
> I've been talking to Jeff Turner about this, and one suggestion would
> be to setup a separate JIRA instances for Struts and Roller, until
> someone write the code that would let us combine them in to the JIRA
> instance that the ASF already has.
We can ask, but I doubt if the infra@ folks would be too thrilled about
that, for two reasons. One is that there have been quite a few issues with
keeping the one JIRA instance we have now up and running recently, mostly
because it's one of the most heavily loaded JIRA instances on the planet.
The other, which is related, is that JIRA has been a significant resource
hog, so multiple instances isn't very appealing in that respect. Jeff Turner
has been working hard to help us out, but he's only one guy, and he has a
day job too. ;-)
I'm not against moving to JIRA, but I think the above issues will need to be
addressed. Craig has also mentioned the ease of reassigning issues between
Struts and Commons, but that seems to happen a lot less these days, so I'm
less concerned about that now.
--
Martin Cooper
Then, if we want to import the Bugzilla tickets into the new Struts
> JIRA, we can, so we would have all the Struts tickets, Action 1,
> Action 2, and Shale, all in the same place. (Yeah!)
>
> Of course, under the heading "Eating our own dogfood", I'd like to see
> us using JIRA, and Confluence, and Jive, because they run on WebWork /
> Action 2. Ditto for Roller, which runs on Struts Action 1.
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I'm told
> that JIRA still runs on WW1, while Confluence runs on WW2.
>
> -Ted.
>
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