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Re: Planning and Releasing Solr 10.0
Hey,
Yes - I think penciling in a timeline is a great idea, it'll give devs
notice around any work that they were hoping to get in. And July in
particular sounds like a realistic (if distant) target. I'd love to
see 10.0 happen a little sooner if the blockers get cleared away in
time, but that's probably unrealistic on my part.
Anecdotally, I know some folks have things that they'd like to see
deprecated in a 9.x release before 10.0 goes out the door. Is it
worth penciling in a tentative date for a 9.x release, so those folks
know when their deprecations/changes need to be in? Say, early June?
Best,
Jason
On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 3:17 PM Anshum Gupta <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I think it's time we start planning for Solr 10. Lucene 10 was
> released almost 6 months ago and it makes a lot of sense for Solr to
> release a corresponding version that has all the good stuff from
> Lucene 10.
>
> I would like to target a July release for Solr 10, giving everyone
> about 3 months - one of which should be to stabilize and test our
> release for the most part.
>
> And yes, I'd like to also volunteer to be the RM.
>
> -Anshum
>
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Re: Planning and Releasing Solr 10.0
Posted by David Smiley <ds...@apache.org>.
We don't have to commit (guarantee) to anything in future 9.x releases
other than critical fixes. Who knows when we'll not want to pursue another
release. It doesn't have to be know-able in advance.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 4:22 PM Anshum Gupta <an...@anshumgupta.net> wrote:
> I like the idea of supporting 9x, however it gets difficult to manage
> as the codebase diverges.
>
> If we intend to support, we should be completely committed for the
> sake of the user community - with guarantees around active backporting
> of bug fixes and most importantly security patches. Also, are you
> proposing to support 9x until Solr 11 is out?
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 12:57 PM Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not opposed to further 9.x feature releases, as long as someone are
> willing to put in the work. But I don't think such a decision should slow
> down our move to Java 21 in 10.x.
> >
> > Excited about 10.0 materializing.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > > 15. apr. 2025 kl. 16:39 skrev Houston Putman <ho...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > I think that this is the biggest benefit of the lucene split, and I am
> 100%
> > > in support. 9x can continue being supported while maintainers want to
> add
> > > new features, but there is no guarantee that things be backported
> (other
> > > than security and bad bug) or that releases happen.
> > >
> > > Other projects do this and I think its a very successful way of
> > > transitioning between major versions.
> > >
> > > Im also excited for a 10.0, and think we should try to cut it in the
> summer
> > > and get all of the breaking changes we want in beforehand. We can
> > > prioritize those since we will still be releasing the 9x line
> potentially
> > > going forward.
> > >
> > > - Houston
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 11:00 PM David Smiley <ds...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is it controversial to propose that a 10.0 release need not imply the
> end
> > >> of 9.x minor releases? I would like us to be okay with additional
> minor
> > >> releases; and I'm not sure why anyone would block this proposal
> either.
> > >> Eventually, practically speaking, too few of us will care about
> maintaining
> > >> the 9.x line, and the minor releases will cease. Those of us that
> don't
> > >> want to be burdened with another major branch still being open need
> not
> > >> feel compelled to back-port changes there. Heck; that's true today.
> > >>
> > >> ~ David
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 9:39 AM Jason Gerlowski <gerlowskija@gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hey,
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes - I think penciling in a timeline is a great idea, it'll give
> devs
> > >>> notice around any work that they were hoping to get in. And July in
> > >>> particular sounds like a realistic (if distant) target. I'd love to
> > >>> see 10.0 happen a little sooner if the blockers get cleared away in
> > >>> time, but that's probably unrealistic on my part.
> > >>>
> > >>> Anecdotally, I know some folks have things that they'd like to see
> > >>> deprecated in a 9.x release before 10.0 goes out the door. Is it
> > >>> worth penciling in a tentative date for a 9.x release, so those folks
> > >>> know when their deprecations/changes need to be in? Say, early June?
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Jason
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 3:17 PM Anshum Gupta <an...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi everyone,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think it's time we start planning for Solr 10. Lucene 10 was
> > >>>> released almost 6 months ago and it makes a lot of sense for Solr to
> > >>>> release a corresponding version that has all the good stuff from
> > >>>> Lucene 10.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to target a July release for Solr 10, giving everyone
> > >>>> about 3 months - one of which should be to stabilize and test our
> > >>>> release for the most part.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And yes, I'd like to also volunteer to be the RM.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Anshum
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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>
> --
> Anshum Gupta
>
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Re: Planning and Releasing Solr 10.0
Posted by Anshum Gupta <an...@anshumgupta.net>.
I like the idea of supporting 9x, however it gets difficult to manage
as the codebase diverges.
If we intend to support, we should be completely committed for the
sake of the user community - with guarantees around active backporting
of bug fixes and most importantly security patches. Also, are you
proposing to support 9x until Solr 11 is out?
On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 12:57 PM Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not opposed to further 9.x feature releases, as long as someone are willing to put in the work. But I don't think such a decision should slow down our move to Java 21 in 10.x.
>
> Excited about 10.0 materializing.
>
> Jan
>
> > 15. apr. 2025 kl. 16:39 skrev Houston Putman <ho...@apache.org>:
> >
> > I think that this is the biggest benefit of the lucene split, and I am 100%
> > in support. 9x can continue being supported while maintainers want to add
> > new features, but there is no guarantee that things be backported (other
> > than security and bad bug) or that releases happen.
> >
> > Other projects do this and I think its a very successful way of
> > transitioning between major versions.
> >
> > Im also excited for a 10.0, and think we should try to cut it in the summer
> > and get all of the breaking changes we want in beforehand. We can
> > prioritize those since we will still be releasing the 9x line potentially
> > going forward.
> >
> > - Houston
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 11:00 PM David Smiley <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Is it controversial to propose that a 10.0 release need not imply the end
> >> of 9.x minor releases? I would like us to be okay with additional minor
> >> releases; and I'm not sure why anyone would block this proposal either.
> >> Eventually, practically speaking, too few of us will care about maintaining
> >> the 9.x line, and the minor releases will cease. Those of us that don't
> >> want to be burdened with another major branch still being open need not
> >> feel compelled to back-port changes there. Heck; that's true today.
> >>
> >> ~ David
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 9:39 AM Jason Gerlowski <ge...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey,
> >>>
> >>> Yes - I think penciling in a timeline is a great idea, it'll give devs
> >>> notice around any work that they were hoping to get in. And July in
> >>> particular sounds like a realistic (if distant) target. I'd love to
> >>> see 10.0 happen a little sooner if the blockers get cleared away in
> >>> time, but that's probably unrealistic on my part.
> >>>
> >>> Anecdotally, I know some folks have things that they'd like to see
> >>> deprecated in a 9.x release before 10.0 goes out the door. Is it
> >>> worth penciling in a tentative date for a 9.x release, so those folks
> >>> know when their deprecations/changes need to be in? Say, early June?
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Jason
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 3:17 PM Anshum Gupta <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it's time we start planning for Solr 10. Lucene 10 was
> >>>> released almost 6 months ago and it makes a lot of sense for Solr to
> >>>> release a corresponding version that has all the good stuff from
> >>>> Lucene 10.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to target a July release for Solr 10, giving everyone
> >>>> about 3 months - one of which should be to stabilize and test our
> >>>> release for the most part.
> >>>>
> >>>> And yes, I'd like to also volunteer to be the RM.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Anshum
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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Re: Planning and Releasing Solr 10.0
Posted by Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>.
I'm not opposed to further 9.x feature releases, as long as someone are willing to put in the work. But I don't think such a decision should slow down our move to Java 21 in 10.x.
Excited about 10.0 materializing.
Jan
> 15. apr. 2025 kl. 16:39 skrev Houston Putman <ho...@apache.org>:
>
> I think that this is the biggest benefit of the lucene split, and I am 100%
> in support. 9x can continue being supported while maintainers want to add
> new features, but there is no guarantee that things be backported (other
> than security and bad bug) or that releases happen.
>
> Other projects do this and I think its a very successful way of
> transitioning between major versions.
>
> Im also excited for a 10.0, and think we should try to cut it in the summer
> and get all of the breaking changes we want in beforehand. We can
> prioritize those since we will still be releasing the 9x line potentially
> going forward.
>
> - Houston
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 11:00 PM David Smiley <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Is it controversial to propose that a 10.0 release need not imply the end
>> of 9.x minor releases? I would like us to be okay with additional minor
>> releases; and I'm not sure why anyone would block this proposal either.
>> Eventually, practically speaking, too few of us will care about maintaining
>> the 9.x line, and the minor releases will cease. Those of us that don't
>> want to be burdened with another major branch still being open need not
>> feel compelled to back-port changes there. Heck; that's true today.
>>
>> ~ David
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 9:39 AM Jason Gerlowski <ge...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Yes - I think penciling in a timeline is a great idea, it'll give devs
>>> notice around any work that they were hoping to get in. And July in
>>> particular sounds like a realistic (if distant) target. I'd love to
>>> see 10.0 happen a little sooner if the blockers get cleared away in
>>> time, but that's probably unrealistic on my part.
>>>
>>> Anecdotally, I know some folks have things that they'd like to see
>>> deprecated in a 9.x release before 10.0 goes out the door. Is it
>>> worth penciling in a tentative date for a 9.x release, so those folks
>>> know when their deprecations/changes need to be in? Say, early June?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 3:17 PM Anshum Gupta <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I think it's time we start planning for Solr 10. Lucene 10 was
>>>> released almost 6 months ago and it makes a lot of sense for Solr to
>>>> release a corresponding version that has all the good stuff from
>>>> Lucene 10.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to target a July release for Solr 10, giving everyone
>>>> about 3 months - one of which should be to stabilize and test our
>>>> release for the most part.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I'd like to also volunteer to be the RM.
>>>>
>>>> -Anshum
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
>>>>
>>>
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Re: Planning and Releasing Solr 10.0
Posted by Houston Putman <ho...@apache.org>.
I think that this is the biggest benefit of the lucene split, and I am 100%
in support. 9x can continue being supported while maintainers want to add
new features, but there is no guarantee that things be backported (other
than security and bad bug) or that releases happen.
Other projects do this and I think its a very successful way of
transitioning between major versions.
Im also excited for a 10.0, and think we should try to cut it in the summer
and get all of the breaking changes we want in beforehand. We can
prioritize those since we will still be releasing the 9x line potentially
going forward.
- Houston
On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 11:00 PM David Smiley <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> Is it controversial to propose that a 10.0 release need not imply the end
> of 9.x minor releases? I would like us to be okay with additional minor
> releases; and I'm not sure why anyone would block this proposal either.
> Eventually, practically speaking, too few of us will care about maintaining
> the 9.x line, and the minor releases will cease. Those of us that don't
> want to be burdened with another major branch still being open need not
> feel compelled to back-port changes there. Heck; that's true today.
>
> ~ David
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 9:39 AM Jason Gerlowski <ge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Yes - I think penciling in a timeline is a great idea, it'll give devs
> > notice around any work that they were hoping to get in. And July in
> > particular sounds like a realistic (if distant) target. I'd love to
> > see 10.0 happen a little sooner if the blockers get cleared away in
> > time, but that's probably unrealistic on my part.
> >
> > Anecdotally, I know some folks have things that they'd like to see
> > deprecated in a 9.x release before 10.0 goes out the door. Is it
> > worth penciling in a tentative date for a 9.x release, so those folks
> > know when their deprecations/changes need to be in? Say, early June?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 3:17 PM Anshum Gupta <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I think it's time we start planning for Solr 10. Lucene 10 was
> > > released almost 6 months ago and it makes a lot of sense for Solr to
> > > release a corresponding version that has all the good stuff from
> > > Lucene 10.
> > >
> > > I would like to target a July release for Solr 10, giving everyone
> > > about 3 months - one of which should be to stabilize and test our
> > > release for the most part.
> > >
> > > And yes, I'd like to also volunteer to be the RM.
> > >
> > > -Anshum
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@solr.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
> > >
> >
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: Planning and Releasing Solr 10.0
Posted by David Smiley <ds...@apache.org>.
Is it controversial to propose that a 10.0 release need not imply the end
of 9.x minor releases? I would like us to be okay with additional minor
releases; and I'm not sure why anyone would block this proposal either.
Eventually, practically speaking, too few of us will care about maintaining
the 9.x line, and the minor releases will cease. Those of us that don't
want to be burdened with another major branch still being open need not
feel compelled to back-port changes there. Heck; that's true today.
~ David
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 9:39 AM Jason Gerlowski <ge...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Yes - I think penciling in a timeline is a great idea, it'll give devs
> notice around any work that they were hoping to get in. And July in
> particular sounds like a realistic (if distant) target. I'd love to
> see 10.0 happen a little sooner if the blockers get cleared away in
> time, but that's probably unrealistic on my part.
>
> Anecdotally, I know some folks have things that they'd like to see
> deprecated in a 9.x release before 10.0 goes out the door. Is it
> worth penciling in a tentative date for a 9.x release, so those folks
> know when their deprecations/changes need to be in? Say, early June?
>
> Best,
>
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 3:17 PM Anshum Gupta <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I think it's time we start planning for Solr 10. Lucene 10 was
> > released almost 6 months ago and it makes a lot of sense for Solr to
> > release a corresponding version that has all the good stuff from
> > Lucene 10.
> >
> > I would like to target a July release for Solr 10, giving everyone
> > about 3 months - one of which should be to stabilize and test our
> > release for the most part.
> >
> > And yes, I'd like to also volunteer to be the RM.
> >
> > -Anshum
> >
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> >
>
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