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Posted to dev@spark.apache.org by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> on 2013/08/20 20:34:45 UTC
Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Hi Guys,
I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and mirror
the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather than
Apache mailing list,
Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to communicate
but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google groups
but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of Spark
users Google group).
Thoughts?
- Henry
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Matei Zaharia <ma...@gmail.com>.
The other point, in case it wasn't clear, is that we do want to have an archive on the Apache mailing lists -- all messages sent to Google would also appear on user@spark.i.a.o.
Matei
On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Roman,
>
> I personally have no problem to go all the way with migration to ASF lists.
> Have been involved with couple projects that move the internal lists and
> forum-like support to ADF lists with no problem.
>
> I just started this thread to see if we could start something different
> like when git repos are start to be accepted for new ASF projects.
> There will be more projects in the future that come from github or google
> code that utilizes google groups for channel communication.
>
> For now, as Matei had communicated before, all migrations to ASF lists will
> begin on Sept 1 as planned.
>
> - Henry
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I totally understand the motivation, but I think we may be better
>> off biting the bullet and doing the migration to the official ASF
>> infra for MLs. My biggest concern is things like:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>>
>> I'm sure more senior ASF folks will chime in (if not -- I'll ping them ;-))
>> but I'll be -0 on this (even though, again, I totally understand
>> the motivation).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and mirror
>>> the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
>>>
>>> This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather than
>>> Apache mailing list,
>>>
>>> Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
>> communicate
>>> but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google groups
>>> but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of Spark
>>> users Google group).
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> - Henry
>>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
Hi Roman,
I personally have no problem to go all the way with migration to ASF lists.
Have been involved with couple projects that move the internal lists and
forum-like support to ADF lists with no problem.
I just started this thread to see if we could start something different
like when git repos are start to be accepted for new ASF projects.
There will be more projects in the future that come from github or google
code that utilizes google groups for channel communication.
For now, as Matei had communicated before, all migrations to ASF lists will
begin on Sept 1 as planned.
- Henry
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I totally understand the motivation, but I think we may be better
> off biting the bullet and doing the migration to the official ASF
> infra for MLs. My biggest concern is things like:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>
> I'm sure more senior ASF folks will chime in (if not -- I'll ping them ;-))
> but I'll be -0 on this (even though, again, I totally understand
> the motivation).
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and mirror
> > the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
> >
> > This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather than
> > Apache mailing list,
> >
> > Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
> communicate
> > but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google groups
> > but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of Spark
> > users Google group).
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > - Henry
>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
Roman, see my reply else-thread :)
Cheers,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
Reply-To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <de...@spark.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:24 PM
To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <de...@spark.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
>Hi!
>
>I totally understand the motivation, but I think we may be better
>off biting the bullet and doing the migration to the official ASF
>infra for MLs. My biggest concern is things like:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>
>I'm sure more senior ASF folks will chime in (if not -- I'll ping them
>;-))
>but I'll be -0 on this (even though, again, I totally understand
>the motivation).
>
>Thanks,
>Roman.
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and mirror
>> the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
>>
>> This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather than
>> Apache mailing list,
>>
>> Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
>>communicate
>> but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google groups
>> but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of Spark
>> users Google group).
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> - Henry
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>.
Hi!
I totally understand the motivation, but I think we may be better
off biting the bullet and doing the migration to the official ASF
infra for MLs. My biggest concern is things like:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
I'm sure more senior ASF folks will chime in (if not -- I'll ping them ;-))
but I'll be -0 on this (even though, again, I totally understand
the motivation).
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and mirror
> the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
>
> This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather than
> Apache mailing list,
>
> Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to communicate
> but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google groups
> but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of Spark
> users Google group).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Henry
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Matei Zaharia <ma...@gmail.com>.
Guys, FYI, I'm going to try adding user@spark.i.a.o as a member of the Google group, but before that I'll do it temporarily for the dev group for testing. (I agree that we should move the dev group permanently to Apache). Cross your fingers.
Matei
On Aug 24, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the advice and insight Chris.
>
> So looks like we could try/ experiment it with user@spark.i.a.o list with
> Google group as client to send emails/messages to Apache Spark's user list.
>
> I know we can allow external email address to send emails to user@ list but
> I dont think we could manually add Spark's user@ email address as member of
> Spark's Google group, or do we?
> As Chris has mentioned before, we need to make sure every email sent via
> Spark's Google user group will be sent to the user@spark.i.a.o email
> address.
>
>
> - Henry
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> I replied to Matei about this -- as far as the ASF is concerned, if
>> it didn't happen on the *ASF* mailing list for the project, then it
>> didn't happen and thus isn't a decision that binds the project, or that
>> is defensible from a community perspective.
>>
>> So let's get that out of the way to start :) Now, beyond that, if folks
>> prefer to post through Google Groups or use its interface, is it possible
>> to simply make Google Groups postings to user@spark appear on user@spark?
>> I would start there (ignore the dev list for now; we need to demonstrate
>> this
>> works first on user@ and if it does and doesn't have negative side
>> effects,
>> then we should try it on dev@). Also I think that the Spark PPMC needs to
>> set a precedent and ensure that the traffic for the mailing list gets to
>> the mailing list, and encourage folks that the gold source is @ the ASF.
>>
>> In short, if there is a way to treat Google Groups as a "client" of the
>> canonical mail source/"server" at the ASF, then that's OK by me, so long
>> as the discussion appears here on this list and can be replied to and kept
>> in context here at the ASF.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <dev@spark.incubator.apache.org
>>>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:55 PM
>> To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <de...@spark.incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
>>
>>> Oh, dont get me wrong, there will still be user list but we hopefully
>>> could
>>> mirror the content from Google groups mailing list.
>>>
>>> As for dev list, it is kind of similar situation but dev list is probably
>>> ok to use mailing list because most people in the list would be more
>>> flexible to not use UI for managing messages.
>>> The reason is because as part of the Apache way, the dev list is the main
>>> channel of communication for discussions and decision making for the
>>> community so I would prefer contributors to use the list directly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Henry
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Andy Konwinski
>>> <an...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, if we do it for the users group/list, is there any reason not to
>>>> do
>>>> it for the developers group/list as well? I think most of the developers
>>>> also prefer to use Google groups and it would be nice to have the setup
>>>> of
>>>> the two mailing lists be parallel to each other.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Mark Hamstra <mark@clearstorydata.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is Google groups email formatting completely compatible with Apache
>>>> lists?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Henry Saputra
>>>> <henry.saputra@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll let the other mentors chime in and give their thoughts.
>>>>>> I have been looking at the Apache policy about public listing [1]
>>>> and
>>>>> could
>>>>>> not find anything about cross posting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, like Andy proposed before I am thinking about just subscribing
>>>> the
>>>>>> user@spark.i.a.o to Google groups and allow Google groups email to
>>>> send
>>>>>> email to the mailing list.
>>>>>> Not sure what permission Chris set when creating the list but I did
>>>> allow
>>>>>> the JIRA emails to sent to other Apache list without actually
>>>> subscribe
>>>>> to
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Matei Zaharia <
>>>> matei.zaharia@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Henry,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be happy to do this as long as Apache is okay with it! It will
>>>>> save a
>>>>>>> lot of hassle for our users. Does it basically just require
>>>> subscribing
>>>>>>> user@spark.i.a.o to the Google Group?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matei
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra
>>>> <henry.saputra@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups
>>>> and
>>>>>> mirror
>>>>>>>> the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style
>>>> rather
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> Apache mailing list,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
>>>>>>> communicate
>>>>>>>> but as for users, we could always let them communicate via
>>>> Google
>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>>> but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member
>>>> of
>>>>>> Spark
>>>>>>>> users Google group).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the advice and insight Chris.
So looks like we could try/ experiment it with user@spark.i.a.o list with
Google group as client to send emails/messages to Apache Spark's user list.
I know we can allow external email address to send emails to user@ list but
I dont think we could manually add Spark's user@ email address as member of
Spark's Google group, or do we?
As Chris has mentioned before, we need to make sure every email sent via
Spark's Google user group will be sent to the user@spark.i.a.o email
address.
- Henry
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> I replied to Matei about this -- as far as the ASF is concerned, if
> it didn't happen on the *ASF* mailing list for the project, then it
> didn't happen and thus isn't a decision that binds the project, or that
> is defensible from a community perspective.
>
> So let's get that out of the way to start :) Now, beyond that, if folks
> prefer to post through Google Groups or use its interface, is it possible
> to simply make Google Groups postings to user@spark appear on user@spark?
> I would start there (ignore the dev list for now; we need to demonstrate
> this
> works first on user@ and if it does and doesn't have negative side
> effects,
> then we should try it on dev@). Also I think that the Spark PPMC needs to
> set a precedent and ensure that the traffic for the mailing list gets to
> the mailing list, and encourage folks that the gold source is @ the ASF.
>
> In short, if there is a way to treat Google Groups as a "client" of the
> canonical mail source/"server" at the ASF, then that's OK by me, so long
> as the discussion appears here on this list and can be replied to and kept
> in context here at the ASF.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <dev@spark.incubator.apache.org
> >
> Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:55 PM
> To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <de...@spark.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
>
> >Oh, dont get me wrong, there will still be user list but we hopefully
> >could
> >mirror the content from Google groups mailing list.
> >
> >As for dev list, it is kind of similar situation but dev list is probably
> >ok to use mailing list because most people in the list would be more
> >flexible to not use UI for managing messages.
> >The reason is because as part of the Apache way, the dev list is the main
> >channel of communication for discussions and decision making for the
> >community so I would prefer contributors to use the list directly.
> >
> >
> >
> >- Henry
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Andy Konwinski
> ><an...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Also, if we do it for the users group/list, is there any reason not to
> >>do
> >> it for the developers group/list as well? I think most of the developers
> >> also prefer to use Google groups and it would be nice to have the setup
> >>of
> >> the two mailing lists be parallel to each other.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Mark Hamstra <mark@clearstorydata.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Is Google groups email formatting completely compatible with Apache
> >> lists?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Henry Saputra
> >><henry.saputra@gmail.com
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > We'll let the other mentors chime in and give their thoughts.
> >> > > I have been looking at the Apache policy about public listing [1]
> >>and
> >> > could
> >> > > not find anything about cross posting.
> >> > >
> >> > > Yeah, like Andy proposed before I am thinking about just subscribing
> >> the
> >> > > user@spark.i.a.o to Google groups and allow Google groups email to
> >> send
> >> > > email to the mailing list.
> >> > > Not sure what permission Chris set when creating the list but I did
> >> allow
> >> > > the JIRA emails to sent to other Apache list without actually
> >>subscribe
> >> > to
> >> > > it.
> >> > >
> >> > > - Henry
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Matei Zaharia <
> >> matei.zaharia@gmail.com
> >> > > >wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi Henry,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'd be happy to do this as long as Apache is okay with it! It will
> >> > save a
> >> > > > lot of hassle for our users. Does it basically just require
> >> subscribing
> >> > > > user@spark.i.a.o to the Google Group?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Matei
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra
> >><henry.saputra@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi Guys,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups
> >>and
> >> > > mirror
> >> > > > > the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style
> >>rather
> >> > > than
> >> > > > > Apache mailing list,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
> >> > > > communicate
> >> > > > > but as for users, we could always let them communicate via
> >>Google
> >> > > groups
> >> > > > > but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member
> >>of
> >> > > Spark
> >> > > > > users Google group).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thoughts?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > - Henry
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
Hey Guys,
I replied to Matei about this -- as far as the ASF is concerned, if
it didn't happen on the *ASF* mailing list for the project, then it
didn't happen and thus isn't a decision that binds the project, or that
is defensible from a community perspective.
So let's get that out of the way to start :) Now, beyond that, if folks
prefer to post through Google Groups or use its interface, is it possible
to simply make Google Groups postings to user@spark appear on user@spark?
I would start there (ignore the dev list for now; we need to demonstrate
this
works first on user@ and if it does and doesn't have negative side effects,
then we should try it on dev@). Also I think that the Spark PPMC needs to
set a precedent and ensure that the traffic for the mailing list gets to
the mailing list, and encourage folks that the gold source is @ the ASF.
In short, if there is a way to treat Google Groups as a "client" of the
canonical mail source/"server" at the ASF, then that's OK by me, so long
as the discussion appears here on this list and can be replied to and kept
in context here at the ASF.
Cheers,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <de...@spark.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:55 PM
To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <de...@spark.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
>Oh, dont get me wrong, there will still be user list but we hopefully
>could
>mirror the content from Google groups mailing list.
>
>As for dev list, it is kind of similar situation but dev list is probably
>ok to use mailing list because most people in the list would be more
>flexible to not use UI for managing messages.
>The reason is because as part of the Apache way, the dev list is the main
>channel of communication for discussions and decision making for the
>community so I would prefer contributors to use the list directly.
>
>
>
>- Henry
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Andy Konwinski
><an...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Also, if we do it for the users group/list, is there any reason not to
>>do
>> it for the developers group/list as well? I think most of the developers
>> also prefer to use Google groups and it would be nice to have the setup
>>of
>> the two mailing lists be parallel to each other.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Mark Hamstra <mark@clearstorydata.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Is Google groups email formatting completely compatible with Apache
>> lists?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Henry Saputra
>><henry.saputra@gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > We'll let the other mentors chime in and give their thoughts.
>> > > I have been looking at the Apache policy about public listing [1]
>>and
>> > could
>> > > not find anything about cross posting.
>> > >
>> > > Yeah, like Andy proposed before I am thinking about just subscribing
>> the
>> > > user@spark.i.a.o to Google groups and allow Google groups email to
>> send
>> > > email to the mailing list.
>> > > Not sure what permission Chris set when creating the list but I did
>> allow
>> > > the JIRA emails to sent to other Apache list without actually
>>subscribe
>> > to
>> > > it.
>> > >
>> > > - Henry
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Matei Zaharia <
>> matei.zaharia@gmail.com
>> > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Henry,
>> > > >
>> > > > I'd be happy to do this as long as Apache is okay with it! It will
>> > save a
>> > > > lot of hassle for our users. Does it basically just require
>> subscribing
>> > > > user@spark.i.a.o to the Google Group?
>> > > >
>> > > > Matei
>> > > >
>> > > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra
>><henry.saputra@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi Guys,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups
>>and
>> > > mirror
>> > > > > the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style
>>rather
>> > > than
>> > > > > Apache mailing list,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
>> > > > communicate
>> > > > > but as for users, we could always let them communicate via
>>Google
>> > > groups
>> > > > > but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member
>>of
>> > > Spark
>> > > > > users Google group).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thoughts?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > - Henry
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
Oh, dont get me wrong, there will still be user list but we hopefully could
mirror the content from Google groups mailing list.
As for dev list, it is kind of similar situation but dev list is probably
ok to use mailing list because most people in the list would be more
flexible to not use UI for managing messages.
The reason is because as part of the Apache way, the dev list is the main
channel of communication for discussions and decision making for the
community so I would prefer contributors to use the list directly.
- Henry
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Andy Konwinski <an...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Also, if we do it for the users group/list, is there any reason not to do
> it for the developers group/list as well? I think most of the developers
> also prefer to use Google groups and it would be nice to have the setup of
> the two mailing lists be parallel to each other.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Mark Hamstra <mark@clearstorydata.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Is Google groups email formatting completely compatible with Apache
> lists?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > We'll let the other mentors chime in and give their thoughts.
> > > I have been looking at the Apache policy about public listing [1] and
> > could
> > > not find anything about cross posting.
> > >
> > > Yeah, like Andy proposed before I am thinking about just subscribing
> the
> > > user@spark.i.a.o to Google groups and allow Google groups email to
> send
> > > email to the mailing list.
> > > Not sure what permission Chris set when creating the list but I did
> allow
> > > the JIRA emails to sent to other Apache list without actually subscribe
> > to
> > > it.
> > >
> > > - Henry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Matei Zaharia <
> matei.zaharia@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Henry,
> > > >
> > > > I'd be happy to do this as long as Apache is okay with it! It will
> > save a
> > > > lot of hassle for our users. Does it basically just require
> subscribing
> > > > user@spark.i.a.o to the Google Group?
> > > >
> > > > Matei
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and
> > > mirror
> > > > > the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
> > > > >
> > > > > This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather
> > > than
> > > > > Apache mailing list,
> > > > >
> > > > > Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
> > > > communicate
> > > > > but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google
> > > groups
> > > > > but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of
> > > Spark
> > > > > users Google group).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > - Henry
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Andy Konwinski <an...@gmail.com>.
Also, if we do it for the users group/list, is there any reason not to do
it for the developers group/list as well? I think most of the developers
also prefer to use Google groups and it would be nice to have the setup of
the two mailing lists be parallel to each other.
Andy
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Mark Hamstra <ma...@clearstorydata.com>wrote:
> Is Google groups email formatting completely compatible with Apache lists?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > We'll let the other mentors chime in and give their thoughts.
> > I have been looking at the Apache policy about public listing [1] and
> could
> > not find anything about cross posting.
> >
> > Yeah, like Andy proposed before I am thinking about just subscribing the
> > user@spark.i.a.o to Google groups and allow Google groups email to send
> > email to the mailing list.
> > Not sure what permission Chris set when creating the list but I did allow
> > the JIRA emails to sent to other Apache list without actually subscribe
> to
> > it.
> >
> > - Henry
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Matei Zaharia <matei.zaharia@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Henry,
> > >
> > > I'd be happy to do this as long as Apache is okay with it! It will
> save a
> > > lot of hassle for our users. Does it basically just require subscribing
> > > user@spark.i.a.o to the Google Group?
> > >
> > > Matei
> > >
> > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and
> > mirror
> > > > the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
> > > >
> > > > This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather
> > than
> > > > Apache mailing list,
> > > >
> > > > Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
> > > communicate
> > > > but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google
> > groups
> > > > but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of
> > Spark
> > > > users Google group).
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > - Henry
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Mark Hamstra <ma...@clearstorydata.com>.
Is Google groups email formatting completely compatible with Apache lists?
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>wrote:
> We'll let the other mentors chime in and give their thoughts.
> I have been looking at the Apache policy about public listing [1] and could
> not find anything about cross posting.
>
> Yeah, like Andy proposed before I am thinking about just subscribing the
> user@spark.i.a.o to Google groups and allow Google groups email to send
> email to the mailing list.
> Not sure what permission Chris set when creating the list but I did allow
> the JIRA emails to sent to other Apache list without actually subscribe to
> it.
>
> - Henry
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Matei Zaharia <matei.zaharia@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Henry,
> >
> > I'd be happy to do this as long as Apache is okay with it! It will save a
> > lot of hassle for our users. Does it basically just require subscribing
> > user@spark.i.a.o to the Google Group?
> >
> > Matei
> >
> > On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and
> mirror
> > > the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
> > >
> > > This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather
> than
> > > Apache mailing list,
> > >
> > > Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
> > communicate
> > > but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google
> groups
> > > but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of
> Spark
> > > users Google group).
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > - Henry
> >
> >
>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
We'll let the other mentors chime in and give their thoughts.
I have been looking at the Apache policy about public listing [1] and could
not find anything about cross posting.
Yeah, like Andy proposed before I am thinking about just subscribing the
user@spark.i.a.o to Google groups and allow Google groups email to send
email to the mailing list.
Not sure what permission Chris set when creating the list but I did allow
the JIRA emails to sent to other Apache list without actually subscribe to
it.
- Henry
[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Matei Zaharia <ma...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Henry,
>
> I'd be happy to do this as long as Apache is okay with it! It will save a
> lot of hassle for our users. Does it basically just require subscribing
> user@spark.i.a.o to the Google Group?
>
> Matei
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and mirror
> > the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
> >
> > This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather than
> > Apache mailing list,
> >
> > Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to
> communicate
> > but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google groups
> > but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of Spark
> > users Google group).
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > - Henry
>
>
Re: Keeping users mailing list with Google groups
Posted by Matei Zaharia <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Henry,
I'd be happy to do this as long as Apache is okay with it! It will save a lot of hassle for our users. Does it basically just require subscribing user@spark.i.a.o to the Google Group?
Matei
On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am thinking about keeping the users list with Google groups and mirror
> the messages to user@spark.i.a.o.
>
> This way users can communicate via Google groups forum style rather than
> Apache mailing list,
>
> Most developers contributing to Spark have to use Apache way to communicate
> but as for users, we could always let them communicate via Google groups
> but mirror the emails (or subscribe user@spark.i.a.o as member of Spark
> users Google group).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Henry