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So many fink packages for Mac OS X
Also, does anybody understand what all the packages for svn mean in
Fink? I see packages named svn, svn-ssl, svn-client, svn-client-ssl,
svn-shlibs. I guess the shlibs are shared libs, but what are the
differences for svn and svn-ssl for example? All the descriptions are
the same for these different packages so it's not very helpful.
Thanks,
-Winston
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Re: So many fink packages for Mac OS X
Posted by Jeffrey Melloy <jm...@visualdistortion.org>.
Just Stuff wrote:
> Yes, I've had a lot of trouble installing svn on Mac OS X. I only use
> fink for svn and I don't really understand how it works, how to update
> it to the latest packages, etc. Indeed the last time I tried to
> install svn, it failed and I only got it to work after I read
> somewhere that you had to install ruby. I think there might be
> another problem with Perl 5.8 which is what Panther comes with. I am
> crossing my fingers that the Fink folks are working on this.
>
> I feel like a fish out of water without my subversion working right now.
>
>> And I am leaning toward building the client myself.
>
>
> I was leaning to this a while ago, and somebody said it's probably
> better to keep trying with Fink that to build manually. I think he's
> the one who gave me the Ruby tip.
>
> -ww
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2003, at 1:29 PM, William L. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Winston: I appreciate you taking the time to update this info re fink
>> svn. I am finding the install procedure on OS X 10.2.8 to be very
>> frustrating. And I am leaning toward building the client myself.
>>
>> I cannot understand what ruby has to do with svn-client, but
>> apparently it is also implicated when I attempt
>> $ sudo fink install svn-client
>>
>> The whole procedure craps out because ruby has dependencies that
>> aren't loaded. Hmmm ... maybe I need to use dselect. I'll try that.
>>
>> Any hints you can give about what you did to get this loaded and
>> working are appreciated.
>>
>> Bill Anderson
>
I had no problems whatsoever installing Subversion on Panther. Just
make sure you have the developer tools, and then the easiest thing is to
download a tarball and go.
Jeff
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Re: So many fink packages for Mac OS X
Posted by Just Stuff <st...@obsidiancore.com>.
Yes, I've had a lot of trouble installing svn on Mac OS X. I only use
fink for svn and I don't really understand how it works, how to update
it to the latest packages, etc. Indeed the last time I tried to
install svn, it failed and I only got it to work after I read somewhere
that you had to install ruby. I think there might be another problem
with Perl 5.8 which is what Panther comes with. I am crossing my
fingers that the Fink folks are working on this.
I feel like a fish out of water without my subversion working right now.
> And I am leaning toward building the client myself.
I was leaning to this a while ago, and somebody said it's probably
better to keep trying with Fink that to build manually. I think he's
the one who gave me the Ruby tip.
-ww
On Nov 5, 2003, at 1:29 PM, William L. Anderson wrote:
> Winston: I appreciate you taking the time to update this info re fink
> svn. I am finding the install procedure on OS X 10.2.8 to be very
> frustrating. And I am leaning toward building the client myself.
>
> I cannot understand what ruby has to do with svn-client, but
> apparently it is also implicated when I attempt
> $ sudo fink install svn-client
>
> The whole procedure craps out because ruby has dependencies that
> aren't loaded. Hmmm ... maybe I need to use dselect. I'll try that.
>
> Any hints you can give about what you did to get this loaded and
> working are appreciated.
>
> Bill Anderson
>
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Re: So many fink packages for Mac OS X
Posted by Hamilton Link <he...@sandia.gov>.
I would point out that svn and svn-ssl are for practical purposes
mutually exclusive (you probably only want one of the two, or at least
I would), and that the svn-ssl, svn-client-ssl, and
libapache2-mod-svn-ssl (uh, if I've got that name right) all go
together.
The '-ssl' versions of things link to libraries that allow svn services
to be provided over secure TCP connections.
Also, in point of fact installing svn-ssl, etc. ends up including about
40 fink packages. Off the top of my head I don't recall what they are,
but a few of them aren't obviously needed (in fact I'm told they're
only used during the build process, which is why they aren't called out
as prerequisites by the svn INSTALL file). It might be good to have a
side note of how many files are transitively included and why... just
in the spirit of eliminating surprises, you know.
Other than that, the fink packages install and work just swimmingly, or
did a version ago, although there is a tiny hiccough with ruby iirc (I
really need to post the errors that I got...). Mucho appreciation goes
out to the creator.
h
On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 12:58 PM, Winston Wolff wrote:
> Main description for "svn"
> -----
> Compelling replacement for CVS
>
> The goal of the Subversion project is to build a version control
> system that is a compelling replacement for CVS in the open source
> community.
>
> Why should I switch to Subversion, after all CVS is the standard?
> Some advantages of Subversion include:
> • Commits are atomic--when you check in 20 files, they are all
> checked in or none are, and when you look in history, you seel all the
> files checked in as a group.
> • Moving and renaming are versioned. You don't have to pretend you
> are deleting and adding new files, and the history trail is left
> intact.
> • Working with directories are easy. E.g. adding a directory adds
> all sub-files and folders to the repository.
> • It is fast: branching and tagging are cheap (constant time)
> operations, client/server protocol sends diffs in both directions, and
> in general time costs are proportional to change size, not project
> size.
> • Meta-data is versioned per file, e.g. store the `execute'
> permission flag on files in the repository.
> • Efficient handling of binary files - it uses a binary diffing
> algorithm to transmit and store successive revisions.
>
> Is Subversion stable enough for me to use for my own projects? The
> Developers think so! Read the full FAQ answer on the website.
>
> Subversion is broken into these packages in fink:
> • The "svn" package installs a stand-alone server 'svnserve' and
> command line client 'svn'. Your repository machine needs this > package.
> • The "svn-ssl" package is the same as the main "svn" package but it
> adds SSL which allows you to [???]
> • The "svn-client" package builds a comman-line client program for
> using subversion.
> • The "svn-client-ssl" package is the same as "svn-client" but adds
> SSL to permit you to [???]
> • The "libapache2-mod-svn" package contains an apache2 module to
> enable reading and writing to your subversion repository via a Web
> Browser or WebDAV client. You don't need it to use subversion, but it
> can be convenient to examine your repository.
> Also, you can use it for basic editing of files without using the
> command line program.
> • The "svn-shlibs" package contains shared libraries for the other
> packages. You don't have to worry about it, it is installed
> automatically by fink.
>
> Notes:
> • WARNING: *** Subversion is alpha code right now. ***
> • Subversion is released under an Apache/BSD-style open source
> license.
> • Some tools (e.g. cvs2svn) and examples are stored in
> %p/share/svn/tools
> • Only use the "-ssl" version packages if your country permits ssl
> encryption software.
>
> For More Information, check the main Subversion website below and read
> the book at http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ Also look in
> %p/share/svn/notes and %p/share/svn/contrib ..
>
>
> ---------------
>
>
>
> Description for other packages include a brief description and a
> reference back to "svn":
>
>
> svn-ssl
> ----------
> The "svn-ssl" package is the same as the main "svn" package but it
> adds SSL which allows you to [???]
>
> See Description of "svn" package.
>
>
> svn-client
>
> --------------
> The "svn-client" package builds a comman-line client program for using
> subversion.
>
> See Description of "svn" package.
>
>
> svn-client-ssl
> -----------------
> The "svn-client-ssl" package is the same as "svn-client" but adds SSL
> to permit you to [???]
>
> See Description of "svn" package.
>
>
> libapache2-mod-svn
> ----------------------------
> The "libapache2-mod-svn" package contains an apache2 module to enable
> reading and writing to your subversion repository via a Web Browser or
> WebDAV client. You don't need it to use subversion, but it can be
> convenient to examine your repository. Also,
> you can use it for basic editing of files without using the command
> line program.
>
> See Description of "svn" package.
>
>
> svn-shlibs
> ---------------
> The "svn-shlibs" package contains shared libraries for the other
> packages. You don't have to worry about it, it is installed
> automatically by fink.
>
> See Description of "svn" package.
>
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Re: So many fink packages for Mac OS X
Posted by Winston Wolff <st...@obsidiancore.com>.
>
>> All the descriptions are the same for these different packages so
>> it's not very helpful.
>
> I should update these descriptions, you are right. Any suggestions?
>
Well, I suppose I have to now that I griped about it huh? How about
this below? I have separated them into a main description for the
"svn" package that talks about why Subversion is interesting for the
reader and I list all the associated packages with a brief description
and why they would want that sub-package. Then for each sub-package's
description, I repeat the brief description as it appears in the main
description and tell them to look back at the main.
I have left some blank areas [???], and also I am guessing on some of
this stuff but I guess you will know if it is correct and can adjust
it?
Thanks incidentally for doing the work of distributing svn on fink.
-winston
-----------------------
Main description for "svn"
-----
Compelling replacement for CVS
The goal of the Subversion project is to build a version control system
that is a compelling replacement for CVS in the open source community.
Why should I switch to Subversion, after all CVS is the standard? Some
advantages of Subversion include:
• Commits are atomic--when you check in 20 files, they are all checked
in or none are, and when you look in history, you seel all the files
checked in as a group.
• Moving and renaming are versioned. You don't have to pretend you
are deleting and adding new files, and the history trail is left
intact.
• Working with directories are easy. E.g. adding a directory adds all
sub-files and folders to the repository.
• It is fast: branching and tagging are cheap (constant time)
operations, client/server protocol sends diffs in both directions, and
in general time costs are proportional to change size, not project
size.
• Meta-data is versioned per file, e.g. store the `execute' permission
flag on files in the repository.
• Efficient handling of binary files - it uses a binary diffing
algorithm to transmit and store successive revisions.
Is Subversion stable enough for me to use for my own projects? The
Developers think so! Read the full FAQ answer on the website.
Subversion is broken into these packages in fink:
• The "svn" package installs a stand-alone server 'svnserve' and
command line client 'svn'. Your repository machine needs this package.
• The "svn-ssl" package is the same as the main "svn" package but it
adds SSL which allows you to [???]
• The "svn-client" package builds a comman-line client program for
using subversion.
• The "svn-client-ssl" package is the same as "svn-client" but adds
SSL to permit you to [???]
• The "libapache2-mod-svn" package contains an apache2 module to
enable reading and writing to your subversion repository via a Web
Browser or WebDAV client. You don't need it to use subversion, but it
can be convenient to examine your repository. Also, you can use it for
basic editing of files without using the command line program.
• The "svn-shlibs" package contains shared libraries for the other
packages. You don't have to worry about it, it is installed
automatically by fink.
Notes:
• WARNING: *** Subversion is alpha code right now. ***
• Subversion is released under an Apache/BSD-style open source license.
• Some tools (e.g. cvs2svn) and examples are stored in
%p/share/svn/tools
• Only use the "-ssl" version packages if your country permits ssl
encryption software.
For More Information, check the main Subversion website below and read
the book at http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ Also look in
%p/share/svn/notes and %p/share/svn/contrib ..
---------------
Description for other packages include a brief description and a
reference back to "svn":
svn-ssl
----------
The "svn-ssl" package is the same as the main "svn" package but it adds
SSL which allows you to [???]
See Description of "svn" package.
svn-client
--------------
The "svn-client" package builds a comman-line client program for using
subversion.
See Description of "svn" package.
svn-client-ssl
-----------------
The "svn-client-ssl" package is the same as "svn-client" but adds SSL
to permit you to [???]
See Description of "svn" package.
libapache2-mod-svn
----------------------------
The "libapache2-mod-svn" package contains an apache2 module to enable
reading and writing to your subversion repository via a Web Browser or
WebDAV client. You don't need it to use subversion, but it can be
convenient to examine your repository. Also, you can use it for basic
editing of files without using the command line program.
See Description of "svn" package.
svn-shlibs
---------------
The "svn-shlibs" package contains shared libraries for the other
packages. You don't have to worry about it, it is installed
automatically by fink.
See Description of "svn" package.
Re: So many fink packages for Mac OS X
Posted by Winston <st...@obsidiancore.com>.
Yes, I gave up on fink after Panther. I find building from the
distributions very easy. Here are the notes I wrote from the last time
I installed it. You just need to get the latest BerkeleyDB package
from www.sleepcat.com and then the subversion package. The APR and
NEON versions in the Subversion distribution work fine so you don't
need to get those packages separately.
• Installed Berkeley db with:
cd build_unix
../dist/configure
make
sudo make install
• Installed subversion:
cd subversion-34.0
./configure --enable-maintainer-mode
--with-berkeley-db=/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.2/ --with-ssl
make
sudo make install
There are a few other things you will need if you want the Apache 2.0
WebDav stuff, but I used it find for months using ssl+svn.
Let me know if I can help more. Did you want the Apache 2.0
installation info too? I'll be away from email from the 30th for 3
weeks though.
-ww
On 28-Dec-2003, at 3:25 PM, David Summers wrote:
>
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Christian Schaffner wrote:
>
>> % fink install svn-client-ssl
>>
>> if you want a stand-alone server, do:
>>
>
> Are there any binary installs of Subversion for MAC OS X? I've tried
> the
> above about 1 time per month for the last 10 months and have *never*
> been
> successful. I *always* run into some source package that won't build.
> Last time it got about 8 hours in to the build process and finally
> came up with errors trying to compile some programs that depended on X
> windows. This time, it got about 15 minutes into the process and
> couldn't
> find some package called "gnu".
>
> Does anyone just have binaries for MAC OS X (10.2 or 10.3 (Panther))
> that
> can be installed (preferrably as a package but I'll take anything that
> works).
>
> I'm getting ready to start a new web project and could *really* use
> Subversion on some of my user's machines.
>
> Any help, suggestions, binaries, etc., appreciated.
>
> David "Frustrated with and not impressed with Fink" Summers
>
> :-)
>
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Re: So many fink packages for Mac OS X
Posted by David Summers <da...@summersoft.fay.ar.us>.
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Christian Schaffner wrote:
> % fink install svn-client-ssl
>
> if you want a stand-alone server, do:
>
Are there any binary installs of Subversion for MAC OS X? I've tried the
above about 1 time per month for the last 10 months and have *never* been
successful. I *always* run into some source package that won't build.
Last time it got about 8 hours in to the build process and finally
came up with errors trying to compile some programs that depended on X
windows. This time, it got about 15 minutes into the process and couldn't
find some package called "gnu".
Does anyone just have binaries for MAC OS X (10.2 or 10.3 (Panther)) that
can be installed (preferrably as a package but I'll take anything that
works).
I'm getting ready to start a new web project and could *really* use
Subversion on some of my user's machines.
Any help, suggestions, binaries, etc., appreciated.
David "Frustrated with and not impressed with Fink" Summers
:-)
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Re: So many fink packages for Mac OS X
Posted by Christian Schaffner <ch...@users.sourceforge.net>.
On Mittwoch, November 5, 2003, at 07:08 Uhr, Winston Wolff wrote:
> Also, does anybody understand what all the packages for svn mean in
> Fink?
Yes, i do. (I am the maintainer of the packages...)
> I see packages named svn, svn-ssl, svn-client, svn-client-ssl,
> svn-shlibs. I guess the shlibs are shared libs, but what are the
> differences for svn and svn-ssl for example?
Normally you would install the -ssl variants, if you are not in a
country where these versions are prohibited. (But don't ask me about
the legal details!)
> All the descriptions are the same for these different packages so it's
> not very helpful.
I should update these descriptions, you are right. Any suggestions?
Anyhow, if you type
% fink describe svn-ssl
you get:
svn-ssl-0.32.1-11: Compelling replacement for CVS
The svn-ssl package installs a stand-alone server 'svnserve'. To
install the apache2 based network server please install the fink
package 'libapache2-ssl-mod-svn'.
If you only need the client, do:
% fink install svn-client-ssl
if you want a stand-alone server, do:
% fink install svn-ssl
if you want an apache based server, do:
% fink install libapache2-ssl-mod-svn
You do not need to care about the -shlibs. They contain the shared
libraries and are installed if necessary.
Does that answer your question?
Best, Chris.
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