[SHALE] Are we there yet?

["Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield)" <kw...@iss.net>]

A similar question has been asked once since I joined this list - so I
apologize in advance if this question has been asked numerous times
before.
 
A colleague of mine and I are researching Shale for potential use in a
production environment. Our timeline is pretty open - we're looking to
implement some set of frameworks within the next year or so. Shale
piqued our interest as it integrated and supported many of the
frameworks we are looking to introduce (Spring, Spring WebFlow, JSF,
JUnit tests, validation, etc). 
 
I actually have a few questions:
 
1) Is Shale development still at full tilt, or has it weaned in leiu of
Java conferences coming to an end or not as much developer time
available?
2) I've been actively following the development of Shale for the past
few months and haven't found many news updates recently (hopefully that
means the developers are busy developing and have no time to post
updates). Are there any other more frequently updated resources that I
may not be aware of? I currently check the Shale Wiki, David Geary's
Blog, Craig's Blog, struts.apache.org and general googling.
3) When's the next big regurgitation of code into the trunk ? :)
 
What I have read and seen (just yesterday we built and brought up the
use-cases under Resin 3.0.12) I have been very excited about. Although I
noticed a bug right off the bat (probably the state bug related to the
ViewController as outlined in the wiki), I'm still very interested in
using this framework for our product.
 
I think the Shale framework is very promising and I applaud the speed in
which it has gone from conceptual to tangible. My only fear is that
we'll need to move to a new set of frameworks before Shale becomes
dependable for production use :). 
 
Thanks!
 
Regards,
Kaleb Walton

Re: [SHALE] Are we there yet?

[Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com>]

On 8/25/05, Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) <kw...@iss.net> wrote:
> A similar question has been asked once since I joined this list - so I
> apologize in advance if this question has been asked numerous times
> before.
> 
> A colleague of mine and I are researching Shale for potential use in a
> production environment. Our timeline is pretty open - we're looking to
> implement some set of frameworks within the next year or so. Shale
> piqued our interest as it integrated and supported many of the
> frameworks we are looking to introduce (Spring, Spring WebFlow, JSF,
> JUnit tests, validation, etc).
> 
> I actually have a few questions:
> 
> 1) Is Shale development still at full tilt, or has it weaned in leiu of
> Java conferences coming to an end or not as much developer time
> available?

It proceeds apace, subject (as with all open source efforts) to
vagaries of day job schedules and travel.  There's a roadmap for a 1.0
milestone release posted on the Wiki:

  http://wiki.apache.org/struts/ShaleRelease100

which I see needs to be updated ... Gary just checked in fixes for a
bunch of the Clay issues last night (part of the delay was waiting for
his new committer capabilities to be set up on the ASF
infrastructure).

> 2) I've been actively following the development of Shale for the past
> few months and haven't found many news updates recently (hopefully that
> means the developers are busy developing and have no time to post
> updates). Are there any other more frequently updated resources that I
> may not be aware of? I currently check the Shale Wiki, David Geary's
> Blog, Craig's Blog, struts.apache.org and general googling.

You'll see blog entries occasionally, but the best way to keep track
of what's going on is actually to subscribe to the Struts developer
list (to subscribe send an empty message to
dev-subscribe@struts.apache.org) and watch the SVN commit messages and
Shale-related Bugzilla updates that go by.

> 3) When's the next big regurgitation of code into the trunk ? :)
> 
> What I have read and seen (just yesterday we built and brought up the
> use-cases under Resin 3.0.12) I have been very excited about. Although I
> noticed a bug right off the bat (probably the state bug related to the
> ViewController as outlined in the wiki), I'm still very interested in
> using this framework for our product.

Are you talking about issue 35066?  If not, which one?

For 35066 in particular, I'm thinking that we should defer that to a
1.0.1 milestone, because pretty much everything else has been taken
care of.

> 
> I think the Shale framework is very promising and I applaud the speed in
> which it has gone from conceptual to tangible. My only fear is that
> we'll need to move to a new set of frameworks before Shale becomes
> dependable for production use :).

Regarding the API stability of the various packages, you'll definitely
want to go to the Core Library javadocs:

  http://people.apache.org/~craigmcc/shale-core-javadocs/  

and scroll down to the "API Package Target Audiences and Stability
Ratings" section.  Application developers should use only the APIs in
packages targeted to "Developer", and the table lists the projected
stability of the APIs.  For instance, the view controller stuff is
marked "Evolving", which means we're paying attention to backwards
compatibility (for that package) even before a General Availability
release.


> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Regards,
> Kaleb Walton
> 
> 
Craig

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