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Posted to dev@river.apache.org by John Sarman <jo...@gmail.com> on 2008/12/22 00:52:51 UTC
Join the DJINN
Fellow Jini Believers,
Ok first I am tired of the 200+ comments on splitting up the space, so I am
creating a new thread to talk about the great concepts of Jini and some
items I desire. Before I go off building them, I thought I would just throw
the ideas in the open and maybe this is already completed.
I think a great entry point for jini newbies would be a Web integration
via IDE plugin. I would love to choose the Jini core module and Jini Tomcat
integration module with Netbeans.
After this installed it would automatically allow me to use some
sample howto lookup code to get an instance of the Space, etc.. Then I
could use the space as yet another method to deal with the CRUD. OR I could
use the transaction manager to perform some transactional functionality of
my web design. Etc Etc.....
This would definitely open the door to several web developers who use Tomcat
and need a mechanism to do distributed computing with a Web frontend. Plus
Tomcat is apache, River is apache , so why not!
So maybe others have some ideas on using Jini to ease the newbie experience.
If so reply!!
Lets make this a more productive post by leaving the "why cant Jini be my
way attitude" out and rejuvenating the good ole days of the Jini community
"Lets build a .... " attitude!
So what do you think would ease the NEWBS?
John Sarman
Re: Join the DJINN
Posted by Michael McGrady <mm...@topiatechnology.com>.
On Dec 21, 2008, at 3:52 PM, John Sarman wrote:
>
> I think a great entry point for jini newbies would be a Web
> integration
> via IDE plugin.
I think that the movement in significant networking proposals, which
JavaSpaces and JINI certainly are, is toward fewer people with higher
skills rather than more people with tool help. The Visual BASIC model
is not gaining ground, in my opinion. Powerful, clean, best practices
oriented projects, like Spring, for example, immediately attract a
crowd.
JINI newbies who will actually use JINI are not likely in my opinion
to be swayed by peripheral niceties. Not against these ideas, but
rather just saying they won't fix what is broken.
Perhaps a good start would be to stop talking about solutions and to
identify what the perceived problems/challenges with JINI/RIVEr are.
A great solution to a non-problem is not really a solution at all.
The heuristic "hard things first" comes to mind.
Mike
Re: Join the DJINN
Posted by Greg Trasuk <tr...@stratuscom.com>.
John:
I think you're on to something. From my experience, hosting services
inside a web container (e.g. Tomcat) is hard because of class loader
issues, but accessing services as a client is easy. So do you think it
would be useful to create a Netbeans module that knows how to add the
appropriate discovery and lookup configuration to the standard Netbeans
web application? We would still have to host the services outside
Tomcat (e.g. in a ServiceStarter or Harvester container), but it would
certainly be a quick way to get something like a Javaspace up and
running and accessible to a web application.
I might be looking for something to work on over the Christmas break, if
there's interest.
Cheers,
Greg.
On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 18:52, John Sarman wrote:
> Fellow Jini Believers,
>
> Ok first I am tired of the 200+ comments on splitting up the space, so I am
> creating a new thread to talk about the great concepts of Jini and some
> items I desire. Before I go off building them, I thought I would just throw
> the ideas in the open and maybe this is already completed.
>
> I think a great entry point for jini newbies would be a Web integration
> via IDE plugin. I would love to choose the Jini core module and Jini Tomcat
> integration module with Netbeans.
> After this installed it would automatically allow me to use some
> sample howto lookup code to get an instance of the Space, etc.. Then I
> could use the space as yet another method to deal with the CRUD. OR I could
> use the transaction manager to perform some transactional functionality of
> my web design. Etc Etc.....
> This would definitely open the door to several web developers who use Tomcat
> and need a mechanism to do distributed computing with a Web frontend. Plus
> Tomcat is apache, River is apache , so why not!
>
> So maybe others have some ideas on using Jini to ease the newbie experience.
> If so reply!!
> Lets make this a more productive post by leaving the "why cant Jini be my
> way attitude" out and rejuvenating the good ole days of the Jini community
> "Lets build a .... " attitude!
>
> So what do you think would ease the NEWBS?
>
> John Sarman
--
Greg Trasuk, President
StratusCom Manufacturing Systems Inc. - We use information technology to
solve business problems on your plant floor.
http://stratuscom.com
Re: Join the DJINN
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Jim Hurley <ji...@mac.com> wrote:
> You mentioned IDE plugins so thought I'd point to:
>
> <http://www.incax.com/jini.aspx>
>
> It has both Eclipse and NetBeans plugins.
And IntelliJ IDEA as well...
Cheers
Niclas
Re: Join the DJINN
Posted by John Sarman <jo...@gmail.com>.
I have definitely used the incax almost since its inception. But alas it is
not apache and not truely open source. Just thinking we may actually
integrate jini into an apache project. Tomcat is used in Glassfish and why
not create a JINEE for Tomcat. But a good stepping stone for some would be
a tool that integrated into something they had a good grasp of to add some
new functionality, help them to get their WOW moment!
Thanks Jim for your years of hard work on Jini
John Sarman
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jim Hurley <ji...@mac.com> wrote:
> Hi John-
>
> You mentioned IDE plugins so thought I'd point to:
>
> <http://www.incax.com/jini.aspx>
>
> It has both Eclipse and NetBeans plugins.
>
> Hope it's a help and of interest.
>
> thanks -Jim
>
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2008, at 6:52 PM, John Sarman wrote:
>
>> Fellow Jini Believers,
>>
>> Ok first I am tired of the 200+ comments on splitting up the space, so I
>> am
>> creating a new thread to talk about the great concepts of Jini and some
>> items I desire. Before I go off building them, I thought I would just
>> throw
>> the ideas in the open and maybe this is already completed.
>>
>> I think a great entry point for jini newbies would be a Web integration
>> via IDE plugin. I would love to choose the Jini core module and Jini
>> Tomcat
>> integration module with Netbeans.
>> After this installed it would automatically allow me to use some
>> sample howto lookup code to get an instance of the Space, etc.. Then I
>> could use the space as yet another method to deal with the CRUD. OR I
>> could
>> use the transaction manager to perform some transactional functionality of
>> my web design. Etc Etc.....
>> This would definitely open the door to several web developers who use
>> Tomcat
>> and need a mechanism to do distributed computing with a Web frontend.
>> Plus
>> Tomcat is apache, River is apache , so why not!
>>
>> So maybe others have some ideas on using Jini to ease the newbie
>> experience.
>> If so reply!!
>> Lets make this a more productive post by leaving the "why cant Jini be my
>> way attitude" out and rejuvenating the good ole days of the Jini
>> community
>> "Lets build a .... " attitude!
>>
>> So what do you think would ease the NEWBS?
>>
>> John Sarman
>>
>
>
Re: Join the DJINN
Posted by Jim Hurley <ji...@mac.com>.
Hi John-
You mentioned IDE plugins so thought I'd point to:
<http://www.incax.com/jini.aspx>
It has both Eclipse and NetBeans plugins.
Hope it's a help and of interest.
thanks -Jim
On Dec 21, 2008, at 6:52 PM, John Sarman wrote:
> Fellow Jini Believers,
>
> Ok first I am tired of the 200+ comments on splitting up the space,
> so I am
> creating a new thread to talk about the great concepts of Jini and
> some
> items I desire. Before I go off building them, I thought I would
> just throw
> the ideas in the open and maybe this is already completed.
>
> I think a great entry point for jini newbies would be a Web
> integration
> via IDE plugin. I would love to choose the Jini core module and
> Jini Tomcat
> integration module with Netbeans.
> After this installed it would automatically allow me to use some
> sample howto lookup code to get an instance of the Space, etc..
> Then I
> could use the space as yet another method to deal with the CRUD. OR
> I could
> use the transaction manager to perform some transactional
> functionality of
> my web design. Etc Etc.....
> This would definitely open the door to several web developers who
> use Tomcat
> and need a mechanism to do distributed computing with a Web
> frontend. Plus
> Tomcat is apache, River is apache , so why not!
>
> So maybe others have some ideas on using Jini to ease the newbie
> experience.
> If so reply!!
> Lets make this a more productive post by leaving the "why cant Jini
> be my
> way attitude" out and rejuvenating the good ole days of the Jini
> community
> "Lets build a .... " attitude!
>
> So what do you think would ease the NEWBS?
>
> John Sarman