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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl> on 2015/12/01 08:44:52 UTC
Re: Package Repositories
On 11/30/2015 10:14 PM, John Burwell wrote:
> Sebastian,
>
> As I mentioned in my initial message, the public ShapeBlue repositories [1] are noredist builds of release baselines with no additional patches or changes. My understanding is that the project cannot officially distribute the noredist plugins due to inability of the community to distribute libraries required by these components. If my understanding is correct, I don’t think a community managed package repos could contain packages with this components.
>
I agree. I don't think that the community build packages should have
noredist enabled. What any other repos do is not our 'problem'.
> I am +1 to the categories. I am +1 to the making packages official project deliverables that are voted out. Users clear prefer to install via packages. It seems like applying the full attention of the community to test them would certainly a good thing for users.
>
Shall we ask for packages.cloudstack.org then?
Wido
> Thanks,
> -John
>
> [1]: http://packages.shapeblue.com/cloudstack/upstream
>
> —
> John Burwell
> VP Software Engineering
>
>
> USA: (571) 403-2411 | UK: +44 20 3603 0542
> john.burwell@shapeblue.com | www.shapeblue.com | Twitter: @ShapeBlue
> ShapeBlue Ltd, 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London, WC2N 4HS
>
>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:44 AM, sebgoa <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sebastien,
>>>
>>> Can you confirm that users can expect to find the noredist build of the rpms and debs at apt-get.eu ?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know
>>
>> What I understood from Rohit, is that the "shapeblue" repo also contains pkgs that are hot-fixed and have features back ported.
>> In that sense it is quite a different repo than apt-get which only has pkg for each release.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Angus
>>> VP Technology , ShapeBlue Ltd
>>> s: 02036170528 | t: @cloudyangus | m: +44 7711418784
>>> e: paul.angus@shapeblue.com | w: www.shapeblue.com
>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HS. UK
>>>
>>> Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>>> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogland@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 30 November 2015 10:24
>>> To: dev <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories
>>>
>>> +1 all the way, sebastien
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 your categories.
>>>>
>>>> Also +1 for the unified thing under cloudstack.apache.org domain.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>>>>
>>>> Nux!
>>>> www.nux.ro
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>>> Sent: Monday, 30 November, 2015 10:08:59
>>>>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories
>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks, we need to resolve this.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1-But I have to start with one comment:
>>>>> Apache open office releases binaries, users don't compile from source.
>>>> So it is
>>>>> possible within ASF to officially release binaries.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2-We have several initiatives around repos, apt-get.eu (Wido),
>>>> shapeblue repos,
>>>>> Nux mirrors and image templates.
>>>>> Seems everyone agrees we need a tag team to coordinate all of it and
>>>> offer a
>>>>> unified front.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3-This unified front is great, but it won't happen this week, it
>>>>> will
>>>> take time
>>>>> and dedication.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4-The small issue we are facing is about 3 lines in an HTML file on
>>>>> our
>>>> website.
>>>>> Pierre-Luc and I had a chat Friday, in one of his comments on the PR
>>>>> he suggested that we list 3 categories:
>>>>>
>>>>> - source
>>>>> - community repo
>>>>> - 3-rd party repo
>>>>>
>>>>> I am +1 with this, why ?
>>>>>
>>>>> -source is a no brainer
>>>>> - community repo (apt-get) because that's our defacto pkg repo even
>>>> though we
>>>>> don't vote on packages. There was not vote to say these were our
>>>> community repo
>>>>> but that's a fact. Several people have access to the machine and can
>>>>> make updates etc...
>>>>> - 3rd party, allows us to list vendor pkg repo. The more vendors
>>>>> provide CloudStack the better. I see it a bit like the "books"
>>>>> discussions we had couple years ago. We do not endorse them, but we should promote them.
>>>>>
>>>>> In our docs however, we should not be referencing 3rd party repos,
>>>>> and
>>>> any URLs
>>>>> should be cloudstack project specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please reply with your vote on these 3 categories. I think
>>>>> it's a compromise that helps us move forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sebastien
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland
>>>>> <da...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Paul Angus
>>>>>> <pa...@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't that meant that we'll have to vote on the source and the
>>>> packaged
>>>>>>> rpms/debs otherwise they we have no official community standing. ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure how we can give them official standing yet but we
>>>>>> are the apache foundation, so we vote on source. I would say we
>>>>>> vote on the packaging software from a different repo then the
>>>>>> core+plugins and automatically update a repo from that one. The
>>>>>> repo will not be endorsed but the way it is filled will be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my €0,02 of future dreams
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogland@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: 27 November 2015 09:36
>>>>>>> To: dev <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Paul Angus
>>>>>>> <pa...@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So. My understanding is that to make the packages in the repo
>>>> 'official'
>>>>>>>> they must be voted on. -- would we make the packages what we
>>>>>>>> vote on, rather that the source code (bearing in mind you can't separate the
>>>>>>>> packaging in that case). IMHO, it'll make testing a whole lot
>>>> simpler
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> folks if there is just no requirement to build from source.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will not stop voting on the source! Any vote on -, or
>>>>>>> otherwise handling of packages is a separate thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Daan
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daan
>>> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>>>
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>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
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>
Re: Package Repositories
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl> wrote:
>
>>> As I mentioned in my initial message, the public ShapeBlue repositories
>> [1] are noredist builds of release baselines with no additional patches or
>> changes. My understanding is that the project cannot officially distribute
>> the noredist plugins due to inability of the community to distribute
>> libraries required by these components. If my understanding is correct, I
>> don’t think a community managed package repos could contain packages with
>> this components.
>>>
>>
>> I agree. I don't think that the community build packages should have
>> noredist enabled. What any other repos do is not our 'problem'.
>>
>
> So will we 'clean' apt-get.eu?
>
Whatever you do, update the website so that it is properly documented.
Right now part of the confusion is that we don’t know which provides what exactly.
>
>
> --
> Daan
Re: Package Repositories
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl> wrote:
> > As I mentioned in my initial message, the public ShapeBlue repositories
> [1] are noredist builds of release baselines with no additional patches or
> changes. My understanding is that the project cannot officially distribute
> the noredist plugins due to inability of the community to distribute
> libraries required by these components. If my understanding is correct, I
> don’t think a community managed package repos could contain packages with
> this components.
> >
>
> I agree. I don't think that the community build packages should have
> noredist enabled. What any other repos do is not our 'problem'.
>
So will we 'clean' apt-get.eu?
--
Daan
RE: Package Repositories
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
Thanks Daan,
So, I believe that the community should produce noredist packages and then ShapeBlue won't need to maintain a repo at all.
[ShapeBlue]<http://www.shapeblue.com>
Paul Angus
VP Technology , ShapeBlue
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogland@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 December 2015 08:55
To: dev <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Package Repositories
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> My experience has been that the vast majority of users want the
> noredist version. If the consensus is that the 'community created'
> packages should be/must be OSS (something which I think only harms the
> project) then the download links and documentation should say so very
> clearly, state what features are not in the OSS packages and state
> where the noredist packages can be found.
>
Don't confuse the project and the community. The project shouldn't release close source or GPL'd source. The community can do whatever it wants.
--
Daan
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
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CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
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Re: Package Repositories
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> My experience has been that the vast majority of users want the noredist
> version. If the consensus is that the 'community created' packages should
> be/must be OSS (something which I think only harms the project) then the
> download links and documentation should say so very clearly, state what
> features are not in the OSS packages and state where the noredist packages
> can be found.
>
Don't confuse the project and the community. The project shouldn't release
close source or GPL'd source. The community can do whatever it wants.
--
Daan
RE: Package Repositories
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
We're going in a bit of a circle here.
My experience has been that the vast majority of users want the noredist version. If the consensus is that the 'community created' packages should be/must be OSS (something which I think only harms the project) then the download links and documentation should say so very clearly, state what features are not in the OSS packages and state where the noredist packages can be found.
The documentation can simply state that they must use a third party repo for the noredist featues with a link to the section in http://cloudstack.apache.org/downloads.html where those links are.
Ideally the community packages would be noredist and then everyone is happy and ShapeBlue don't need to maintain a repo.
Paul Angus
VP Technology , ShapeBlue
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:wido@widodh.nl]
Sent: 01 December 2015 07:45
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Package Repositories
On 11/30/2015 10:14 PM, John Burwell wrote:
> Sebastian,
>
> As I mentioned in my initial message, the public ShapeBlue repositories [1] are noredist builds of release baselines with no additional patches or changes. My understanding is that the project cannot officially distribute the noredist plugins due to inability of the community to distribute libraries required by these components. If my understanding is correct, I don’t think a community managed package repos could contain packages with this components.
>
I agree. I don't think that the community build packages should have noredist enabled. What any other repos do is not our 'problem'.
> I am +1 to the categories. I am +1 to the making packages official project deliverables that are voted out. Users clear prefer to install via packages. It seems like applying the full attention of the community to test them would certainly a good thing for users.
>
Shall we ask for packages.cloudstack.org then?
Wido
> Thanks,
> -John
>
> [1]: http://packages.shapeblue.com/cloudstack/upstream
>
> —
> John Burwell
> VP Software Engineering
>
>
> USA: (571) 403-2411 | UK: +44 20 3603 0542 john.burwell@shapeblue.com
> | www.shapeblue.com | Twitter: @ShapeBlue ShapeBlue Ltd, 53 Chandos
> Place, Covent Garden, London, WC2N 4HS
>
>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:44 AM, sebgoa <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sebastien,
>>>
>>> Can you confirm that users can expect to find the noredist build of the rpms and debs at apt-get.eu ?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know
>>
>> What I understood from Rohit, is that the "shapeblue" repo also contains pkgs that are hot-fixed and have features back ported.
>> In that sense it is quite a different repo than apt-get which only has pkg for each release.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Angus
>>> VP Technology , ShapeBlue Ltd
>>> s: 02036170528 | t: @cloudyangus | m: +44 7711418784
>>> e: paul.angus@shapeblue.com | w: www.shapeblue.com
>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HS. UK
>>>
>>> Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>>> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogland@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 30 November 2015 10:24
>>> To: dev <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories
>>>
>>> +1 all the way, sebastien
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 your categories.
>>>>
>>>> Also +1 for the unified thing under cloudstack.apache.org domain.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>>>>
>>>> Nux!
>>>> www.nux.ro
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>>> Sent: Monday, 30 November, 2015 10:08:59
>>>>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories
>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks, we need to resolve this.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1-But I have to start with one comment:
>>>>> Apache open office releases binaries, users don't compile from source.
>>>> So it is
>>>>> possible within ASF to officially release binaries.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2-We have several initiatives around repos, apt-get.eu (Wido),
>>>> shapeblue repos,
>>>>> Nux mirrors and image templates.
>>>>> Seems everyone agrees we need a tag team to coordinate all of it
>>>>> and
>>>> offer a
>>>>> unified front.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3-This unified front is great, but it won't happen this week, it
>>>>> will
>>>> take time
>>>>> and dedication.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4-The small issue we are facing is about 3 lines in an HTML file
>>>>> on our
>>>> website.
>>>>> Pierre-Luc and I had a chat Friday, in one of his comments on the
>>>>> PR he suggested that we list 3 categories:
>>>>>
>>>>> - source
>>>>> - community repo
>>>>> - 3-rd party repo
>>>>>
>>>>> I am +1 with this, why ?
>>>>>
>>>>> -source is a no brainer
>>>>> - community repo (apt-get) because that's our defacto pkg repo
>>>>> even
>>>> though we
>>>>> don't vote on packages. There was not vote to say these were our
>>>> community repo
>>>>> but that's a fact. Several people have access to the machine and
>>>>> can make updates etc...
>>>>> - 3rd party, allows us to list vendor pkg repo. The more vendors
>>>>> provide CloudStack the better. I see it a bit like the "books"
>>>>> discussions we had couple years ago. We do not endorse them, but we should promote them.
>>>>>
>>>>> In our docs however, we should not be referencing 3rd party repos,
>>>>> and
>>>> any URLs
>>>>> should be cloudstack project specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please reply with your vote on these 3 categories. I think
>>>>> it's a compromise that helps us move forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sebastien
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland
>>>>> <da...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Paul Angus
>>>>>> <pa...@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't that meant that we'll have to vote on the source and the
>>>> packaged
>>>>>>> rpms/debs otherwise they we have no official community standing. ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure how we can give them official standing yet but we
>>>>>> are the apache foundation, so we vote on source. I would say we
>>>>>> vote on the packaging software from a different repo then the
>>>>>> core+plugins and automatically update a repo from that one. The
>>>>>> repo will not be endorsed but the way it is filled will be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my €0,02 of future dreams
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogland@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: 27 November 2015 09:36
>>>>>>> To: dev <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Paul Angus
>>>>>>> <pa...@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So. My understanding is that to make the packages in the repo
>>>> 'official'
>>>>>>>> they must be voted on. -- would we make the packages what we
>>>>>>>> vote on, rather that the source code (bearing in mind you can't
>>>>>>>> separate the packaging in that case). IMHO, it'll make testing
>>>>>>>> a whole lot
>>>> simpler
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> folks if there is just no requirement to build from source.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will not stop voting on the source! Any vote on -, or
>>>>>>> otherwise handling of packages is a separate thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Daan
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daan
>>> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
>>> services
>>>
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>>> services
>>>
>>> IaaS Cloud Design & Build
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