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[POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
Robert think there is no consensus on moving away from phoenix towards
another specific container.
As I don't remember who is against such a move in trunk I'm starting
this thread.
Is anyone against the removal of phoenix from trunk towards the use of a
spring+OSGi solution (like Felix Karaf, formerly ServiceMix Kernel)?
Stefano
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Re: [POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Same here,
Norman
2009/6/12 Bernd Fondermann <bf...@brainlounge.de>:
> Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>> Robert think there is no consensus on moving away from phoenix towards
>> another specific container.
>>
>> As I don't remember who is against such a move in trunk I'm starting
>> this thread.
>>
>> Is anyone against the removal of phoenix from trunk towards the use of a
>> spring+OSGi solution (like Felix Karaf, formerly ServiceMix Kernel)?
>
> I'm +1 to move on from Phoenix.
>
> Bernd
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Re: [POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <bf...@brainlounge.de>.
Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> Robert think there is no consensus on moving away from phoenix towards
> another specific container.
>
> As I don't remember who is against such a move in trunk I'm starting
> this thread.
>
> Is anyone against the removal of phoenix from trunk towards the use of a
> spring+OSGi solution (like Felix Karaf, formerly ServiceMix Kernel)?
I'm +1 to move on from Phoenix.
Bernd
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Re: [POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> On 5/21/09, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>> Robert think there is no consensus on moving away from phoenix towards
>> another specific container.
>>
>> As I don't remember who is against such a move in trunk I'm starting
>> this thread.
>>
>> Is anyone against the removal of phoenix from trunk towards the use of a
>> spring+OSGi solution (like Felix Karaf, formerly ServiceMix Kernel)?
>
> 1. AIUI Danny and Noel were strongly opposed to offering Spring as the
> manlin deployment
This is a poll, they should talk for themselves ;-)
I'd like to know if they are *against* this or if they simply prefer
something else but are not against this.
> 2. I don't believe that we have the development capacity at this time
> to do pure OSGi
I agree. But you insisted that there was no consensus, so I wanted to
check our community.
===================================================================
I still don't know if we simply lack developers or we still lack
community behaviours, agreement, procedures, meritocracy.
===================================================================
> 3.Bernd's clever spring deployment is Phoenix based. I doubt we have
> the development capacity to create a pure Spring deployment at this
> time.
Well, it is not really phoenix based. It use spring to link avalon
components. In order to reproduce some behaviour from phoenix it uses
some phoenix library.
It is a wrapper using some library from phoenix (mainly spice
libraries), not phoenix itself.
You know better than me that much libraries from phoenix epoch branched
to generic utility libraries. Some ended in the "apache-commons",
something else to project outside apache.
I won't consider a big issue to keep relying on some spice libraries or
other libraries from phoenix while we step forward.
Stefano
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Re: [POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 5/21/09, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Robert think there is no consensus on moving away from phoenix towards
> another specific container.
>
> As I don't remember who is against such a move in trunk I'm starting
> this thread.
>
> Is anyone against the removal of phoenix from trunk towards the use of a
> spring+OSGi solution (like Felix Karaf, formerly ServiceMix Kernel)?
1. AIUI Danny and Noel were strongly opposed to offering Spring as the
manlin deployment
2. I don't believe that we have the development capacity at this time
to do pure OSGi
3.Bernd's clever spring deployment is Phoenix based. I doubt we have
the development capacity to create a pure Spring deployment at this
time.
Robert
>
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Re: [POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
Posted by Guillermo Grandes <gu...@gmail.com>.
Hello Again (after 3 years), I like +1 OSGi/Felix idea :-)
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Subject: [POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
> Robert think there is no consensus on moving away from phoenix towards
> another specific container.
>
> As I don't remember who is against such a move in trunk I'm starting
> this thread.
>
> Is anyone against the removal of phoenix from trunk towards the use of a
> spring+OSGi solution (like Felix Karaf, formerly ServiceMix Kernel)?
>
> Stefano
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Re: [POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
I'm not really active at the moment, but I think without moving to
some "newer" container we will not be able to attract any new
committer soon :-/
Just my 2 cents..
So I'm +1 to move to something new..
Bye,
Norman
2009/5/21 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>
> On May 21, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>
>> Robert think there is no consensus on moving away from phoenix towards
>> another specific container.
>>
>> As I don't remember who is against such a move in trunk I'm starting
>> this thread.
>>
>> Is anyone against the removal of phoenix from trunk towards the use of a
>> spring+OSGi solution (like Felix Karaf, formerly ServiceMix Kernel)?
>
> I'm not an active james user or developer but I think that removing
> avalon/phoenix dependencies and moving to osgi-friendly container agnostic
> libraries + osgi blueprint service based server configuration + a specific
> karaf based server assembly would be a really good idea.
>
> I hope that the people that didn't want to rely on spring would reconsider
> using the blueprint service instead.
>
> thanks
> david jencks
>
>>
>>
>> Stefano
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Re: [POLL] trunk -=phoenix +=spring/OSGi
Posted by David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>.
On May 21, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> Robert think there is no consensus on moving away from phoenix towards
> another specific container.
>
> As I don't remember who is against such a move in trunk I'm starting
> this thread.
>
> Is anyone against the removal of phoenix from trunk towards the use
> of a
> spring+OSGi solution (like Felix Karaf, formerly ServiceMix Kernel)?
I'm not an active james user or developer but I think that removing
avalon/phoenix dependencies and moving to osgi-friendly container
agnostic libraries + osgi blueprint service based server configuration
+ a specific karaf based server assembly would be a really good idea.
I hope that the people that didn't want to rely on spring would
reconsider using the blueprint service instead.
thanks
david jencks
>
>
> Stefano
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