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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> on 2013/09/21 16:48:05 UTC
Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
We have a Vietnamese volunteer, Mr. Phan Anh (in CC), who recently
completed the Vietnamese translation and would be interested in
reopening and moderating the Vietnamese forum at
http://forum.openoffice.org/vi/
So, a couple of questions for the forum administrators:
- What are the steps needed to reopen the forum? Are you able to do it?
(pending consensus of course)
- And, more important, was the site closed just because of accumulated
spam due to insufficient moderation, or other reasons that need to be
addressed before reopening?
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2013/10/15 04:19, Ricardo Berlasso said:
> 2013/10/14 Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Phan, Imacat, Janl, et al
>>
>> Just now getting back on-line since the last email here. I haven't gone by
>> the forums yet Imacat but I'm quite sure all is well. As for Terry's
>> account, it seems to me it should of gone also. Same for my account, there
>> is no good reason, which I can see, to have admin rights at any of the
>> forums presently.
>>
OK. Per your request, I have removed you (Drew), along with TerryE,
from the administrators' list. Thank you for your services all this
time. ^_^
The current VI administrators are:
Administrators: vietnamesel10n, imacat
Global Administrators: vietnamesel10n, imacat, floris v
As I actually do not get involved into the forum operation, this
left us only one site administrator, Phan, now. Phan, you may need to
recruit at least one more help, or contact floris v to see if you could
work together, in case you are not available. We don't want to
overwhelm you.
P.S. I shall do a privilege clean-up for other forums, too.
>
> On the ES forums, I just created a new group called "Administradores
> eméritos" (Emeritus administrators) and put you and Terry there. Same
> colour of admins but same rights of volunteers (normal users + access to
> the hidden subforums, nothing else).
>
> I mean, while I think it is great from you that you ask for removal of the
> privileges that you are not planning to use, it's not right to just
> downgrade your accounts after all you did for the forums ;)
>
> Regards,
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
>> @Janl, yes I should be hitting the forums more (easy to do 'more' since I'm
>> starting at zero) but I don't really need admin rights to be useful there -
>> and if I did become active, seeing something where such rights could be put
>> to use, well then I can always ask for them. It seems to me to be the
>> better way to go, rather then having long dormant accounts.
>>
>> @Phan - thank you for taking this on, it is very good to see the site open
>> again.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> //drew
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
>>>> @Hagar and Imacat.
>>>> I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
>>>> Please activate it.
>>>
>>> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you. Please check it.
>>>
>>> Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
>>>
>>> Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
>>> VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
>>> and cumeo89.
>>>
>>> I suppose we should remove TerryE, too. But that is another job.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
>>>>>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
>>>>>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
>>>>>> unlock it, that would be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
>>>>> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
>>>>> admin right.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hagar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
>>>>>>> for response.
>>>>>>> I was on vacation last month.
>>>>>>> So:
>>>>>>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
>>>>>>> the account is: vietnamesel....
>>>>>>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
>>>>> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
>>>>> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
>>>>> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
>>>>> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
>>> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
>>> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
>>> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
>>> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2013/10/15 04:19, Ricardo Berlasso said:
> 2013/10/14 Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Phan, Imacat, Janl, et al
>>
>> Just now getting back on-line since the last email here. I haven't gone by
>> the forums yet Imacat but I'm quite sure all is well. As for Terry's
>> account, it seems to me it should of gone also. Same for my account, there
>> is no good reason, which I can see, to have admin rights at any of the
>> forums presently.
>>
OK. Per your request, I have removed you (Drew), along with TerryE,
from the administrators' list. Thank you for your services all this
time. ^_^
The current VI administrators are:
Administrators: vietnamesel10n, imacat
Global Administrators: vietnamesel10n, imacat, floris v
As I actually do not get involved into the forum operation, this
left us only one site administrator, Phan, now. Phan, you may need to
recruit at least one more help, or contact floris v to see if you could
work together, in case you are not available. We don't want to
overwhelm you.
P.S. I shall do a privilege check on other forums, too.
>
> On the ES forums, I just created a new group called "Administradores
> eméritos" (Emeritus administrators) and put you and Terry there. Same
> colour of admins but same rights of volunteers (normal users + access to
> the hidden subforums, nothing else).
>
> I mean, while I think it is great from you that you ask for removal of the
> privileges that you are not planning to use, it's not right to just
> downgrade your accounts after all you did for the forums ;)
>
> Regards,
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
>> @Janl, yes I should be hitting the forums more (easy to do 'more' since I'm
>> starting at zero) but I don't really need admin rights to be useful there -
>> and if I did become active, seeing something where such rights could be put
>> to use, well then I can always ask for them. It seems to me to be the
>> better way to go, rather then having long dormant accounts.
>>
>> @Phan - thank you for taking this on, it is very good to see the site open
>> again.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> //drew
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
>>>> @Hagar and Imacat.
>>>> I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
>>>> Please activate it.
>>>
>>> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you. Please check it.
>>>
>>> Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
>>>
>>> Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
>>> VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
>>> and cumeo89.
>>>
>>> I suppose we should remove TerryE, too. But that is another job.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
>>>>>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
>>>>>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
>>>>>> unlock it, that would be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
>>>>> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
>>>>> admin right.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hagar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
>>>>>>> for response.
>>>>>>> I was on vacation last month.
>>>>>>> So:
>>>>>>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
>>>>>>> the account is: vietnamesel....
>>>>>>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> imacat ^_*' <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
>>>>> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
>>>>>
>>>>> <<Woman's Voice>> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
>>>>> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
>>>>> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
>>>>> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
>>>>> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
>>>>> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> imacat ^_*' <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
>>> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
>>>
>>> <<Woman's Voice>> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
>>> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
>>> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
>>> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
>>> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
>>> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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<<Woman's Voice>> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/10/14 Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
> Hi Phan, Imacat, Janl, et al
>
> Just now getting back on-line since the last email here. I haven't gone by
> the forums yet Imacat but I'm quite sure all is well. As for Terry's
> account, it seems to me it should of gone also. Same for my account, there
> is no good reason, which I can see, to have admin rights at any of the
> forums presently.
>
On the ES forums, I just created a new group called "Administradores
eméritos" (Emeritus administrators) and put you and Terry there. Same
colour of admins but same rights of volunteers (normal users + access to
the hidden subforums, nothing else).
I mean, while I think it is great from you that you ask for removal of the
privileges that you are not planning to use, it's not right to just
downgrade your accounts after all you did for the forums ;)
Regards,
Ricardo
> @Janl, yes I should be hitting the forums more (easy to do 'more' since I'm
> starting at zero) but I don't really need admin rights to be useful there -
> and if I did become active, seeing something where such rights could be put
> to use, well then I can always ask for them. It seems to me to be the
> better way to go, rather then having long dormant accounts.
>
> @Phan - thank you for taking this on, it is very good to see the site open
> again.
>
> Thanks,
>
> //drew
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> wrote:
>
> > On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
> > > @Hagar and Imacat.
> > > I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
> > > Please activate it.
> >
> > I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you. Please check it.
> >
> > Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
> >
> > Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
> > VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
> > and cumeo89.
> >
> > I suppose we should remove TerryE, too. But that is another job.
> >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> > wrote:
> > >> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
> > >>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
> > >>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
> > >>>
> > >>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
> > >>> unlock it, that would be fine.
> > >>
> > >> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
> > >> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
> > >> admin right.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hagar
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
> > >>>
> > >>>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
> > >>>> for response.
> > >>>> I was on vacation last month.
> > >>>> So:
> > >>>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
> > >>>> the account is: vietnamesel....
> > >>>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> imacat ^_*' <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> > >> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
> > >>
> > >> <<Woman's Voice>> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> > >> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> > >> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> > >> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> > >> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
> > >> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
> > >>
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > imacat ^_*' <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> > PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
> >
> > <<Woman's Voice>> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> > Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> > Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> > OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> > EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
> > Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
> >
> >
>
Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
Hi Phan, Imacat, Janl, et al
Just now getting back on-line since the last email here. I haven't gone by
the forums yet Imacat but I'm quite sure all is well. As for Terry's
account, it seems to me it should of gone also. Same for my account, there
is no good reason, which I can see, to have admin rights at any of the
forums presently.
@Janl, yes I should be hitting the forums more (easy to do 'more' since I'm
starting at zero) but I don't really need admin rights to be useful there -
and if I did become active, seeing something where such rights could be put
to use, well then I can always ask for them. It seems to me to be the
better way to go, rather then having long dormant accounts.
@Phan - thank you for taking this on, it is very good to see the site open
again.
Thanks,
//drew
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
> > @Hagar and Imacat.
> > I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
> > Please activate it.
>
> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you. Please check it.
>
> Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
>
> Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
> VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
> and cumeo89.
>
> I suppose we should remove TerryE, too. But that is another job.
>
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> wrote:
> >> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
> >>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
> >>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
> >>>
> >>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
> >>> unlock it, that would be fine.
> >>
> >> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
> >> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
> >> admin right.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hagar
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
> >>>> for response.
> >>>> I was on vacation last month.
> >>>> So:
> >>>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
> >>>> the account is: vietnamesel....
> >>>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> imacat ^_*' <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> >> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
> >>
> >> <<Woman's Voice>> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> >> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> >> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> >> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> >> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
> >> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
> >>
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> >
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> imacat ^_*' <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
>
> <<Woman's Voice>> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>
>
Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 18/12/2013 13:05, Drew Jensen a écrit :
> FWIW I would close and remove the site. The real problem is lack of
> interest by users. The VI user activity never really was adequate to
> support a forum IMO.
Basically, I agree.
But since someone thought that there would be worth a try, I'd like to wait a bit and see he manages to revive it.
Even if it doesn't seem to be the case for the moment, the forum has reopened rather recently so let's wait and see.
As long as spam is under control, there is no big issue.
Hagar
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 15 December 2013 14:07, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Top posting.
>
> What I find strange is that with the moderation of the 1st post (that had
> to be implemented like for the EN forum for example, this had been agreed
> IIRC), no spam is visible until approval of each post (as long as none has
> been approved, they all go in the moderation queue without being visible).
>
Terry left all forums with the same configuration, but I have noted, that
later some of the forums have differences (both in config and look&feel).
This is something that in my opinions should be avoided.
So either the moderation was not yet implemented and that should be changed
> ASAP or the first post seemed to be genuine. Since the admin had not logged
> in for ages, I guess that the moderation was not implemented.
>
Or much more likely the user database was not cleared before reopnening the
forum, meaning all the old spam accounts was active and accepted.
> But if the admin don't even care to login, then users won't post if it
> needs more than 2 months to approve a message...
> So in both cases, I doubt the forum will survive the end of the year...
>
Please remember the forum has to be positively closed, otherwise we have a
ticking bomb. If spammers succeed in one forum, they will for sure try the
others as well.
rgds
jan I.
>
> Hagar
>
>
> Le 15/12/2013 13:39, jan i a écrit :
>
>
> On 15 December 2013 13:11, Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> (top posting) As commented by Floris v here
>>>
>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294923#p294923
>>>
>>> the Vietnamese forum is again full of spam and last activity from the new
>>> administrator was two months ago.
>>>
>>> As commented on the thread, if there is no change on this situation the
>>> forum will be closed again.
>>>
>>> +1, for the moment it seems to be solely spam in the form of postings
>> (which is bad enough).
>>
>> A good tip, is to keep an eye on the amount of new users over time.
>> Typically spam goes hand in hand with establishing new users, which would
>> mean that the anti-spam measures installed are not working effectively.
>>
>> Please be aware that spammers will typically try the same technique on the
>> other forums (more detail offlist if wanted).
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/10/20 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> Mr. Phan Anh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am now currently have some new idea for the forums.
>>>>> Such as the new name for each element of Vi forums. I am currently
>>>>> working around with the content.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Very good. I've now fixed
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
>>>> since it was badly outdated (it still said we needed volunteers to
>>>> translate 3.4 into Vietnamese).
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if you provide a Vietnamese translation of the two paragraphs
>>>> I'll replace the English text with the translation.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea.
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Top posting.
What I find strange is that with the moderation of the 1st post (that had to be implemented like for the EN forum for example, this had been agreed IIRC), no spam is visible until approval of each post (as long as none has been approved, they all go in the moderation queue without being visible).
So either the moderation was not yet implemented and that should be changed ASAP or the first post seemed to be genuine. Since the admin had not logged in for ages, I guess that the moderation was not implemented.
But if the admin don't even care to login, then users won't post if it needs more than 2 months to approve a message...
So in both cases, I doubt the forum will survive the end of the year...
Hagar
Le 15/12/2013 13:39, jan i a écrit :
> On 15 December 2013 13:11, Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> (top posting) As commented by Floris v here
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294923#p294923
>>
>> the Vietnamese forum is again full of spam and last activity from the new
>> administrator was two months ago.
>>
>> As commented on the thread, if there is no change on this situation the
>> forum will be closed again.
>>
> +1, for the moment it seems to be solely spam in the form of postings
> (which is bad enough).
>
> A good tip, is to keep an eye on the amount of new users over time.
> Typically spam goes hand in hand with establishing new users, which would
> mean that the anti-spam measures installed are not working effectively.
>
> Please be aware that spammers will typically try the same technique on the
> other forums (more detail offlist if wanted).
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/10/20 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>>
>>> Mr. Phan Anh wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am now currently have some new idea for the forums.
>>>> Such as the new name for each element of Vi forums. I am currently
>>>> working around with the content.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Very good. I've now fixed
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
>>> since it was badly outdated (it still said we needed volunteers to
>>> translate 3.4 into Vietnamese).
>>>
>>> Of course, if you provide a Vietnamese translation of the two paragraphs
>>> I'll replace the English text with the translation.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
>>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 15 December 2013 13:11, Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (top posting) As commented by Floris v here
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294923#p294923
>
> the Vietnamese forum is again full of spam and last activity from the new
> administrator was two months ago.
>
> As commented on the thread, if there is no change on this situation the
> forum will be closed again.
>
+1, for the moment it seems to be solely spam in the form of postings
(which is bad enough).
A good tip, is to keep an eye on the amount of new users over time.
Typically spam goes hand in hand with establishing new users, which would
mean that the anti-spam measures installed are not working effectively.
Please be aware that spammers will typically try the same technique on the
other forums (more detail offlist if wanted).
rgds
jan I.
>
>
>
>
> 2013/10/20 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>
> > Mr. Phan Anh wrote:
> >
> >> I am now currently have some new idea for the forums.
> >> Such as the new name for each element of Vi forums. I am currently
> >> working around with the content.
> >>
> >
> > Very good. I've now fixed
> > http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
> > since it was badly outdated (it still said we needed volunteers to
> > translate 3.4 into Vietnamese).
> >
> > Of course, if you provide a Vietnamese translation of the two paragraphs
> > I'll replace the English text with the translation.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrea.
> >
> >
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
On Dec 18, 2013 3:43 AM, "jan i" <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 17 December 2013 23:59, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Hagar Delest <hagar.delest@laposte.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Le 16/12/2013 23:15, Kay Schenk a écrit :
> > >
> > > Aside from captcha (I'm assuming this is used for registration?), do
we
> > >> have any other spam tools in place for the Forums?
> > >>
> > >
> > > The only other counter measure is the first post moderation.
> > > And it is very effective. On the English board, there is absolutely no
> > > spam. The only remaining is the signature or the profile link but they
> > are
> > > spotted very quickly and they don't appear until you look at the
members
> > > list.
> > >
> > > So I don't think we need further tools.
> > > Except for moderators perhaps, something like a nuke button that bans
the
> > > user and delete signature and profile web link automatically. But we
live
> > > without. The rate (on the EN forum) is below 3.5 spam account per day.
> > >
> > > Hagar
> >
> >
> > OK, thanks. The reason why I asked is I saw that there ARE spam mods
> > available for phpBB and, not knowing our setup, I didn't know if we were
> > using any of them, or if they would help.
> >
> there are, but not a lot is configured. However if the en forum is happy
> and have a low spam level, then there are no need to hazzle users more.
>
>
> >
> > Like anything of that nature, they might help if configured
appropriately.
> >
> +1
>
> >
> > One even claims to "do" moderation. But, of course, some attention would
> > likely be necessary.
> >
> > In this particular case, we might think about closing the "vi" forum and
> > deleting all accounts of a certain age if these seem to be the cause of
> > problems, then reopening again with only newer accounts available and
see
> > what happens.
> >
> +1, thats a real good idea, there would be no need to close the forum,
> simply clean the user base older than e.g. 3 month and see if the spam
> continues.
>
FWIW I would close and remove the site. The real problem is lack of
interest by users. The VI user activity never really was adequate to
support a forum IMO.
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
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> >
Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 17 December 2013 23:59, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Hagar Delest <hagar.delest@laposte.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Le 16/12/2013 23:15, Kay Schenk a écrit :
> >
> > Aside from captcha (I'm assuming this is used for registration?), do we
> >> have any other spam tools in place for the Forums?
> >>
> >
> > The only other counter measure is the first post moderation.
> > And it is very effective. On the English board, there is absolutely no
> > spam. The only remaining is the signature or the profile link but they
> are
> > spotted very quickly and they don't appear until you look at the members
> > list.
> >
> > So I don't think we need further tools.
> > Except for moderators perhaps, something like a nuke button that bans the
> > user and delete signature and profile web link automatically. But we live
> > without. The rate (on the EN forum) is below 3.5 spam account per day.
> >
> > Hagar
>
>
> OK, thanks. The reason why I asked is I saw that there ARE spam mods
> available for phpBB and, not knowing our setup, I didn't know if we were
> using any of them, or if they would help.
>
there are, but not a lot is configured. However if the en forum is happy
and have a low spam level, then there are no need to hazzle users more.
>
> Like anything of that nature, they might help if configured appropriately.
>
+1
>
> One even claims to "do" moderation. But, of course, some attention would
> likely be necessary.
>
> In this particular case, we might think about closing the "vi" forum and
> deleting all accounts of a certain age if these seem to be the cause of
> problems, then reopening again with only newer accounts available and see
> what happens.
>
+1, thats a real good idea, there would be no need to close the forum,
simply clean the user base older than e.g. 3 month and see if the spam
continues.
rgds
jan I.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
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>
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> -- James Mason
>
Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>wrote:
> Le 16/12/2013 23:15, Kay Schenk a écrit :
>
> Aside from captcha (I'm assuming this is used for registration?), do we
>> have any other spam tools in place for the Forums?
>>
>
> The only other counter measure is the first post moderation.
> And it is very effective. On the English board, there is absolutely no
> spam. The only remaining is the signature or the profile link but they are
> spotted very quickly and they don't appear until you look at the members
> list.
>
> So I don't think we need further tools.
> Except for moderators perhaps, something like a nuke button that bans the
> user and delete signature and profile web link automatically. But we live
> without. The rate (on the EN forum) is below 3.5 spam account per day.
>
> Hagar
OK, thanks. The reason why I asked is I saw that there ARE spam mods
available for phpBB and, not knowing our setup, I didn't know if we were
using any of them, or if they would help.
Like anything of that nature, they might help if configured appropriately.
One even claims to "do" moderation. But, of course, some attention would
likely be necessary.
In this particular case, we might think about closing the "vi" forum and
deleting all accounts of a certain age if these seem to be the cause of
problems, then reopening again with only newer accounts available and see
what happens.
>
>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 16/12/2013 23:15, Kay Schenk a écrit :
> Aside from captcha (I'm assuming this is used for registration?), do we
> have any other spam tools in place for the Forums?
The only other counter measure is the first post moderation.
And it is very effective. On the English board, there is absolutely no spam. The only remaining is the signature or the profile link but they are spotted very quickly and they don't appear until you look at the members list.
So I don't think we need further tools.
Except for moderators perhaps, something like a nuke button that bans the user and delete signature and profile web link automatically. But we live without. The rate (on the EN forum) is below 3.5 spam account per day.
Hagar
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>wrote:
> Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>
>> (top posting) As commented by Floris v here
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294923#p294923
>> the Vietnamese forum is again full of spam and last activity from the new
>> administrator was two months ago.
>> As commented on the thread, if there is no change on this situation the
>> forum will be closed again.
>>
>
> Sure, if there aren't immediate improvements the vi forum must be closed
> again due to lack of active moderators, and reopened once we find new
> moderators (in light of this experience, we will possibly require more than
> one moderator).
>
> I see from the forum discussion that first post moderation is now active,
> but still we will want an active moderator to keep the Vietnamese forum
> open.
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Aside from captcha (I'm assuming this is used for registration?), do we
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> (top posting) As commented by Floris v here
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294923#p294923
> the Vietnamese forum is again full of spam and last activity from the new
> administrator was two months ago.
> As commented on the thread, if there is no change on this situation the
> forum will be closed again.
Sure, if there aren't immediate improvements the vi forum must be closed
again due to lack of active moderators, and reopened once we find new
moderators (in light of this experience, we will possibly require more
than one moderator).
I see from the forum discussion that first post moderation is now
active, but still we will want an active moderator to keep the
Vietnamese forum open.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
(top posting) As commented by Floris v here
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294923#p294923
the Vietnamese forum is again full of spam and last activity from the new
administrator was two months ago.
As commented on the thread, if there is no change on this situation the
forum will be closed again.
2013/10/20 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> Mr. Phan Anh wrote:
>
>> I am now currently have some new idea for the forums.
>> Such as the new name for each element of Vi forums. I am currently
>> working around with the content.
>>
>
> Very good. I've now fixed
> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
> since it was badly outdated (it still said we needed volunteers to
> translate 3.4 into Vietnamese).
>
> Of course, if you provide a Vietnamese translation of the two paragraphs
> I'll replace the English text with the translation.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Mr. Phan Anh wrote:
> I am now currently have some new idea for the forums.
> Such as the new name for each element of Vi forums. I am currently
> working around with the content.
Very good. I've now fixed
http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
since it was badly outdated (it still said we needed volunteers to
translate 3.4 into Vietnamese).
Of course, if you provide a Vietnamese translation of the two paragraphs
I'll replace the English text with the translation.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/10/20 Mr. Phan Anh <pp...@gmail.com>
> Thank you for you guys for reopening the Vietnamese forums.
> I am now currently have some new idea for the forums.
> Such as the new name for each element of Vi forums. I am currently
> working around with the content.
> Thanks, dude. You guys are awesome.
>
Thanks to you for taking this responsibility! If you need a hand for any
change you are planning, just ask ;)
Regards,
Ricardo
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by "Mr. Phan Anh" <pp...@gmail.com>.
Thank you for you guys for reopening the Vietnamese forums.
I am now currently have some new idea for the forums.
Such as the new name for each element of Vi forums. I am currently
working around with the content.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
Howdy Guys,
Well, I was planning on posting to the Google + account regarding this
today. Decided after reading this that maybe I should hold off.. but maybe
not.. anyway what I had ready to post is:
Một cuộc hành trình dài.
A little bit of news. The Vietnamese User Forum for Apache OpenOffice has
been on a respite of sorts since being shuttered a while back, waiting for
someone to take on the task of monitoring and moderating the site.
Mr. Phan Anh, who is also active with the Vietnamese translation work in
the AOO project has volunteered to fill this position, making it possible
to open the forum for general use once again.
It is very good to see this community resource open once more. It is
individuals such as Mr. Anh that make our community work, for all of us and
I would like to take this opportunity to thank him for his efforts, and to
also thank the many, many others who also 'get it done' in the AOO
community.
//drew
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:06 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> I almost forgot: Welcome, Phan! It's nice to have you here. We are
> looking forward to work with you in the future.
>
> On 2013/10/16 13:02, imacat said:
> > On 2013/10/16 02:21, Andrea Pescetti said:
> >> On 14/10/2013 imacat wrote:
> >>> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
> >>>> I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
> >>>> Please activate it.
> >>> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you. Please check it.
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot for this work. I now see that
> >> http://forum.openoffice.org/vi/forum/
> >> is open again for registrations but all topics seem locked. Could they
> >> be unlocked?
> >
> > Ouch. Thank you for the reviewing. ^^; They were unlocked.
> >
> >> Then the two last steps I see are:
> >>
> >> - Phan creates an announcement to say that the Vietnamese Forum is open
> >> and posts it in the "Announcements" section
> >
> > Ouch. I have done that. Phan you may delete and replace my
> > announcement with yours.
> >
> >>
> >> - The same announcement, together with something saying that OpenOffice
> >> 4.0.1 is available in Vietnamese, is added to
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/ (in this case Phan can post the text here
> >> and someone will copy it to the site).
> >
> > I shall leave this to Phan.
> >
>
>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
I almost forgot: Welcome, Phan! It's nice to have you here. We are
looking forward to work with you in the future.
On 2013/10/16 13:02, imacat said:
> On 2013/10/16 02:21, Andrea Pescetti said:
>> On 14/10/2013 imacat wrote:
>>> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
>>>> I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
>>>> Please activate it.
>>> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you. Please check it.
>>
>> Thanks a lot for this work. I now see that
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/vi/forum/
>> is open again for registrations but all topics seem locked. Could they
>> be unlocked?
>
> Ouch. Thank you for the reviewing. ^^; They were unlocked.
>
>> Then the two last steps I see are:
>>
>> - Phan creates an announcement to say that the Vietnamese Forum is open
>> and posts it in the "Announcements" section
>
> Ouch. I have done that. Phan you may delete and replace my
> announcement with yours.
>
>>
>> - The same announcement, together with something saying that OpenOffice
>> 4.0.1 is available in Vietnamese, is added to
>> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/ (in this case Phan can post the text here
>> and someone will copy it to the site).
>
> I shall leave this to Phan.
>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 14/10/2013 imacat wrote:
> On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
>> I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
>> Please activate it.
> I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you. Please check it.
Thanks a lot for this work. I now see that
http://forum.openoffice.org/vi/forum/
is open again for registrations but all topics seem locked. Could they
be unlocked?
Then the two last steps I see are:
- Phan creates an announcement to say that the Vietnamese Forum is open
and posts it in the "Announcements" section
- The same announcement, together with something saying that OpenOffice
4.0.1 is available in Vietnamese, is added to
http://www.openoffice.org/vi/ (in this case Phan can post the text here
and someone will copy it to the site).
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2013/10/13 17:24, Mr. Phan Anh said:
> @Hagar and Imacat.
> I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
> Please activate it.
I suppose I have grant admin privileges to you. Please check it.
Drew you may verify if I'd done it correctly.
Besides, I have removed the following three administrators from the
VI forum, as they haven't logged-in since 2010 and 2011: namn, vdquynh
and cumeo89.
I suppose we should remove TerryE, too. But that is another job.
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
>> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
>>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
>>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
>>>
>>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
>>> unlock it, that would be fine.
>>
>> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
>> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
>> admin right.
>>
>>>
>>> Hagar
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
>>>
>>>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
>>>> for response.
>>>> I was on vacation last month.
>>>> So:
>>>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
>>>> the account is: vietnamesel....
>>>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by "Mr. Phan Anh" <pp...@gmail.com>.
@Hagar and Imacat.
I have already created the new account for the vi forums.
Please activate it.
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
>> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
>> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
>>
>> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
>> unlock it, that would be fine.
>
> I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
> Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
> admin right.
>
>>
>> Hagar
>>
>>
>> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
>>
>>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
>>> for response.
>>> I was on vacation last month.
>>> So:
>>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
>>> the account is: vietnamesel....
>>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2013/10/13 04:46, Hagar Delest said:
> I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that
> you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
>
> Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and
> unlock it, that would be fine.
I have enabled the new account registration for the VI forum.
Please register and tell us your account so that we can grant you the
admin right.
>
> Hagar
>
>
> Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
>
>> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
>> for response.
>> I was on vacation last month.
>> So:
>> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
>> the account is: vietnamesel....
>> 3. Please update the status of my account.
>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
I've promoted your account vietnamesel10n to Volunteer status so that you get access to the admin sections of the forum.
Now if Drew or imacat can give you admin rights on the VN forum and unlock it, that would be fine.
Hagar
Le 12/10/2013 16:32, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
> 1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
> for response.
> I was on vacation last month.
> So:
> 2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
> the account is: vietnamesel....
> 3. Please update the status of my account.
>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by "Mr. Phan Anh" <pp...@gmail.com>.
1. Sorry Guys especially Andrea, Hagar for this email of being late
for response.
I was on vacation last month.
So:
2. I have registered an account at the openoffice English Forums.
the account is: vietnamesel....
3. Please update the status of my account.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 10 October 2013 21:31, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Hi Drew,
>
> Thanks!
> So we need now some news from Mr. Phan Anh. If you're not subscribed to the
> (dev) mailing list, you should do it ASAP, it's mandatory in case
> discussions occur about the forums. Registering the EN forum would be great
> too, some discussions apply to all NL forums and you'll see how thing are
> run.
>
> Once admin, the first action is to activate the moderation of the first post
> for every new user.
> Some moderators will be needed (but you can handle the volume alone at
> first).
>
> Then we can think about deleting Drew's admin account.
>
> Hagar
>
>
> Le 09/10/2013 23:59, Drew Jensen a écrit :
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> Well, the spam had been removed before it was locked, so that should not
>> be
>> a problem.
>>
>> The existing user accounts - those could be disabled, yes of course.
>>
>> So - I understand there is a new person to act as the admin and that is
>> the
>> reason for the re-opening, which I think is great BTW. I take it from the
>> earlier email that the new admin still needed to setup their account on
>> the
>> en forum...or not, I don't know really - kind of a problem having me in
>> this loop, as I have no internet access on a regular basis and as you can
>> see am not able to get connected every day.
>>
>> Anyhow - I just jumped over there and logged in - yup my account still
>> works - but imacat has all the same access rights.
>>
>> Which brings me to my account - honestly it is not a good idea to leave an
>> admin account laying around unused like that - I had expected imacat to
>> delete it. I'm saying that purely from a good practices stand point.
+1, I have great respect for your work, but I agree with you that a
non active admin should be deleted, if for nothing to reduce the risk
of misusage
Instead of deleing your admin right I would much more prefer to see
you as an active admin.
rgds
jan I.
.
>>
>> Here we are though. I'll be on-line a few times this week and if this
>> needs
>> doing (delete old accounts, etc) certainly I'll help with that -
>> afterwards, given my circumstances it does not make a lot of sense to
>> leave
>> the account laying around dormant, as I already said :).
>>
>> *laughing* just give me marching orders and I'll carry them out
In my world, the "marching orders" would be "clean what should be
cleaned". That means pages and users, but I acknowledge its just my
POW as a strict admin.
rgds
jan I.
Ps. Thanks a lot for your work in general.
>>
>> //drew
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3:47 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 October 2013 20:55, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 07/10/2013 19:22, janI a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Before reopening, the user base should be cleaned (preferable
>>>> deleted),
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> all spam pages should be removed. If this cleanup is not done before
>>>>> reopening the forum, all other forum run the risk of bad performance.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that the spam was removed before closing the forum.
>>>> So there is no problem reopening it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am just making a recommendation, based on the database content, if the
>>> forum admins wants it opened fine by me.
>>>
>>> rgds
>>> jan I.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hagar
>>>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Hi Drew,
Thanks!
So we need now some news from Mr. Phan Anh. If you're not subscribed to the (dev) mailing list, you should do it ASAP, it's mandatory in case discussions occur about the forums. Registering the EN forum would be great too, some discussions apply to all NL forums and you'll see how thing are run.
Once admin, the first action is to activate the moderation of the first post for every new user.
Some moderators will be needed (but you can handle the volume alone at first).
Then we can think about deleting Drew's admin account.
Hagar
Le 09/10/2013 23:59, Drew Jensen a écrit :
> Hi Guys,
>
> Well, the spam had been removed before it was locked, so that should not be
> a problem.
>
> The existing user accounts - those could be disabled, yes of course.
>
> So - I understand there is a new person to act as the admin and that is the
> reason for the re-opening, which I think is great BTW. I take it from the
> earlier email that the new admin still needed to setup their account on the
> en forum...or not, I don't know really - kind of a problem having me in
> this loop, as I have no internet access on a regular basis and as you can
> see am not able to get connected every day.
>
> Anyhow - I just jumped over there and logged in - yup my account still
> works - but imacat has all the same access rights.
>
> Which brings me to my account - honestly it is not a good idea to leave an
> admin account laying around unused like that - I had expected imacat to
> delete it. I'm saying that purely from a good practices stand point.
>
> Here we are though. I'll be on-line a few times this week and if this needs
> doing (delete old accounts, etc) certainly I'll help with that -
> afterwards, given my circumstances it does not make a lot of sense to leave
> the account laying around dormant, as I already said :).
>
> *laughing* just give me marching orders and I'll carry them out
>
> //drew
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3:47 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 7 October 2013 20:55, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 07/10/2013 19:22, janI a écrit :
>>>
>>> Before reopening, the user base should be cleaned (preferable deleted),
>>>> and
>>>> all spam pages should be removed. If this cleanup is not done before
>>>> reopening the forum, all other forum run the risk of bad performance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think that the spam was removed before closing the forum.
>>> So there is no problem reopening it.
>>>
>>
>> I am just making a recommendation, based on the database content, if the
>> forum admins wants it opened fine by me.
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hagar
>>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
Hi Guys,
Well, the spam had been removed before it was locked, so that should not be
a problem.
The existing user accounts - those could be disabled, yes of course.
So - I understand there is a new person to act as the admin and that is the
reason for the re-opening, which I think is great BTW. I take it from the
earlier email that the new admin still needed to setup their account on the
en forum...or not, I don't know really - kind of a problem having me in
this loop, as I have no internet access on a regular basis and as you can
see am not able to get connected every day.
Anyhow - I just jumped over there and logged in - yup my account still
works - but imacat has all the same access rights.
Which brings me to my account - honestly it is not a good idea to leave an
admin account laying around unused like that - I had expected imacat to
delete it. I'm saying that purely from a good practices stand point.
Here we are though. I'll be on-line a few times this week and if this needs
doing (delete old accounts, etc) certainly I'll help with that -
afterwards, given my circumstances it does not make a lot of sense to leave
the account laying around dormant, as I already said :).
*laughing* just give me marching orders and I'll carry them out
//drew
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3:47 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 7 October 2013 20:55, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
>
> > Le 07/10/2013 19:22, janI a écrit :
> >
> > Before reopening, the user base should be cleaned (preferable deleted),
> >> and
> >> all spam pages should be removed. If this cleanup is not done before
> >> reopening the forum, all other forum run the risk of bad performance.
> >>
> >
> > I think that the spam was removed before closing the forum.
> > So there is no problem reopening it.
> >
>
> I am just making a recommendation, based on the database content, if the
> forum admins wants it opened fine by me.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
> >
> > Hagar
> >
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 7 October 2013 20:55, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Le 07/10/2013 19:22, janI a écrit :
>
> Before reopening, the user base should be cleaned (preferable deleted),
>> and
>> all spam pages should be removed. If this cleanup is not done before
>> reopening the forum, all other forum run the risk of bad performance.
>>
>
> I think that the spam was removed before closing the forum.
> So there is no problem reopening it.
>
I am just making a recommendation, based on the database content, if the
forum admins wants it opened fine by me.
rgds
jan I.
>
> Hagar
>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 07/10/2013 19:22, janI a écrit :
> Before reopening, the user base should be cleaned (preferable deleted), and
> all spam pages should be removed. If this cleanup is not done before
> reopening the forum, all other forum run the risk of bad performance.
I think that the spam was removed before closing the forum.
So there is no problem reopening it.
Hagar
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 7 October 2013 19:10, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> So is it OK to reopen the VN forum?
>
> I thought it was Drew that told me that the VN forum has too many
> spam without management. If there is any volunteer administrator I
> would be more than happy for reopening it.
>
Before reopening, the user base should be cleaned (preferable deleted), and
all spam pages should be removed. If this cleanup is not done before
reopening the forum, all other forum run the risk of bad performance.
rgds
jan I.
>
> On 2013/10/05 23:12, Drew Jensen said:
> > I am? I would of thought you guys nixed my account long ago.. OK - well,
> > let me know when and I'll go do it.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Hagar Delest <hagar.delest@laposte.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> He need to register on the EN forum first. As soon as he's ready to
> >> moderate the VI forum, a super admin (Drew is the only one active I
> think)
> >> will be needed to promote him admin of the VI forum. Then we can reopen
> the
> >> VI forum.
> >>
> >> Hagar
> >>
> >> Le 05/10/2013 15:46, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >> On 22/09/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was
> >>>> nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be
> prepared
> >>>> to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> OpenOffice 4.0.1 in Vietnamese was released a few days ago. Now it
> would
> >>> be a good moment to reopen the Vietnamese forum, and consider
> Vietnamese
> >>> mailing lists after that.
> >>>
> >>> I see that the topic at
> >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**
> >>> 64457&p=286122<
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64457&p=286122>
> >>> has no opposition, but no progress either.
> >>>
> >>> All we need now is that Mr. Phan Anh registers on both
> >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en
> >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/vi
> >>> with the same username and then posts to the topic above saying that he
> >>> accepts to be a moderator, right?
> >>>
> >>> Then we can reopen the forum and put a short announcement on
> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
> >>> and revisit the issue in a few weeks to check if the workload is
> >>> manageable.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Andrea.
> >>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
So is it OK to reopen the VN forum?
I thought it was Drew that told me that the VN forum has too many
spam without management. If there is any volunteer administrator I
would be more than happy for reopening it.
On 2013/10/05 23:12, Drew Jensen said:
> I am? I would of thought you guys nixed my account long ago.. OK - well,
> let me know when and I'll go do it.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>wrote:
>
>> He need to register on the EN forum first. As soon as he's ready to
>> moderate the VI forum, a super admin (Drew is the only one active I think)
>> will be needed to promote him admin of the VI forum. Then we can reopen the
>> VI forum.
>>
>> Hagar
>>
>> Le 05/10/2013 15:46, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
>>
>>
>> On 22/09/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was
>>>> nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be prepared
>>>> to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam
>>>>
>>>
>>> OpenOffice 4.0.1 in Vietnamese was released a few days ago. Now it would
>>> be a good moment to reopen the Vietnamese forum, and consider Vietnamese
>>> mailing lists after that.
>>>
>>> I see that the topic at
>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**
>>> 64457&p=286122<http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64457&p=286122>
>>> has no opposition, but no progress either.
>>>
>>> All we need now is that Mr. Phan Anh registers on both
>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en
>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/vi
>>> with the same username and then posts to the topic above saying that he
>>> accepts to be a moderator, right?
>>>
>>> Then we can reopen the forum and put a short announcement on
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
>>> and revisit the issue in a few weeks to check if the workload is
>>> manageable.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
I am? I would of thought you guys nixed my account long ago.. OK - well,
let me know when and I'll go do it.
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>wrote:
> He need to register on the EN forum first. As soon as he's ready to
> moderate the VI forum, a super admin (Drew is the only one active I think)
> will be needed to promote him admin of the VI forum. Then we can reopen the
> VI forum.
>
> Hagar
>
> Le 05/10/2013 15:46, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
>
>
> On 22/09/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
>>
>>> Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was
>>> nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be prepared
>>> to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam
>>>
>>
>> OpenOffice 4.0.1 in Vietnamese was released a few days ago. Now it would
>> be a good moment to reopen the Vietnamese forum, and consider Vietnamese
>> mailing lists after that.
>>
>> I see that the topic at
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**
>> 64457&p=286122<http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64457&p=286122>
>> has no opposition, but no progress either.
>>
>> All we need now is that Mr. Phan Anh registers on both
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/vi
>> with the same username and then posts to the topic above saying that he
>> accepts to be a moderator, right?
>>
>> Then we can reopen the forum and put a short announcement on
>> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
>> and revisit the issue in a few weeks to check if the workload is
>> manageable.
>>
>> Regards,
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
He need to register on the EN forum first. As soon as he's ready to moderate the VI forum, a super admin (Drew is the only one active I think) will be needed to promote him admin of the VI forum. Then we can reopen the VI forum.
Hagar
Le 05/10/2013 15:46, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
> On 22/09/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
>> Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was
>> nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be prepared
>> to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam
>
> OpenOffice 4.0.1 in Vietnamese was released a few days ago. Now it would be a good moment to reopen the Vietnamese forum, and consider Vietnamese mailing lists after that.
>
> I see that the topic at
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64457&p=286122
> has no opposition, but no progress either.
>
> All we need now is that Mr. Phan Anh registers on both
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en
> http://forum.openoffice.org/vi
> with the same username and then posts to the topic above saying that he accepts to be a moderator, right?
>
> Then we can reopen the forum and put a short announcement on
> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
> and revisit the issue in a few weeks to check if the workload is manageable.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 22/09/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
> Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was
> nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be prepared
> to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam
OpenOffice 4.0.1 in Vietnamese was released a few days ago. Now it would
be a good moment to reopen the Vietnamese forum, and consider
Vietnamese mailing lists after that.
I see that the topic at
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64457&p=286122
has no opposition, but no progress either.
All we need now is that Mr. Phan Anh registers on both
http://forum.openoffice.org/en
http://forum.openoffice.org/vi
with the same username and then posts to the topic above saying that he
accepts to be a moderator, right?
Then we can reopen the forum and put a short announcement on
http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
and revisit the issue in a few weeks to check if the workload is manageable.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
I reply with the answer from Mr. Phan Anh below since he has not replied to the list.
NB: please subscribe to the dev mailing list so that you get the other replies.
Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be prepared to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam (but I can't say for sure what level it will reach).
Of course the forum should be opened ASAP. But we have to make sure that it will not show poor quality of management if the same spam flood occurs.
Note that since the moderation of the first posts has been implemented, the spam is now non existent in the EN forum. It just requires some additional time to approve posts or disapprove and ban the user. So I'm not afraid anymore about spam but manpower to moderate is needed to keep the queue as low as possible (quickly approving posts is also needed to prevent the user from thinking the forum is non responsive).
As for the 2 months you're talking about, the discussion about the forum has been raised only 2 days ago.
I propose that you register the EN forum where all major decision are taken about the forum. Give your username so that I give you access to the private sections. Then we will need some help from imacat I think to make you an admin of the VN forum and reopen it.
NB: there is a topic about reopening the VN forum, you can post there if you've an idea of how many other users could help you moderating and/or helping answering the questions in the forum.
Hagar
Le 22/09/2013 12:53, Mr. Phan Anh a écrit :
> 1. Thanks Andrea for this discussion. Last couple of days, I was out
> for holidays, so I haven't joined in this one untill now.
>
> 2. As Hagar mentioned about "perhaps" and "not enough", I don't agree
> with this one.
>
> Why?
>
> The team of OO now has move to Libre Office, do you know what do they have?
>
> A mailing list, and a forums for themselves.
>
> What will happen when the users that need supports from Vietnamese in AOO?
> Well, zero.
>
> And this is really ridiculous.
>
> Reopening the forums has to be done to:
>
> a. Getting back the official channel for Vietnamese Users, to make
> announcement, recruit the group for Vietnamese, join in the discussion
> for the Vietnamese Localization.
>
> Without the cooperation between Vietnamese group of User, from now,
> when keeping the rubbish discipline, what would the future of
> Vietnamese group become?
>
> I love OO, and now is AOO, but the team for VN has left to Libre. And
> now, I don't want this product to become a zombies in Vietnamese
> Localization.
>
> b. The Libre Office of Vietnamese team is doing great in Vietnamese,
> and OO is now really a left baby with no mother with it.
>
> c. The longer delaying the reopening Vietnamese Forums, and more than
> that, the mailing list, the team for Vietnamese is really stuck
> behind.
>
> I know, using the impolite words is not a good choice.
> But, look at this, after 2 months, all the reason which excused the
> reopening VN forum is "not enough" people, the same to the mailing
> list.
>
> The read deal is, Vietnamese deserves a better improvement, both in
> the forums and mailing list.
>
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
It would be great to open again the Vietnamese forum indeed!
If Mr. Phan Anh is willing to moderate, there is no problem. That's why we have kept the forum online (read-only).
But only one moderator is perhaps not enough.
Hagar
Le 21/09/2013 17:14, F C. Costero a écrit :
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> We have a Vietnamese volunteer, Mr. Phan Anh (in CC), who recently
>> completed the Vietnamese translation and would be interested in reopening
>> and moderating the Vietnamese forum at
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**vi/ <http://forum.openoffice.org/vi/>
>>
>> So, a couple of questions for the forum administrators:
>> - What are the steps needed to reopen the forum? Are you able to do it?
>> (pending consensus of course)
>> - And, more important, was the site closed just because of accumulated
>> spam due to insufficient moderation, or other reasons that need to be
>> addressed before reopening?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
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>> Addressing the second question, the Vietnamese forum was closed only
> because it was full of spam and the original moderators could not be
> contacted.
> I'll post a message on the forum advising people of this thread.
> Regards,
> Francis
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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Posted by "F C. Costero" <fj...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>wrote:
> We have a Vietnamese volunteer, Mr. Phan Anh (in CC), who recently
> completed the Vietnamese translation and would be interested in reopening
> and moderating the Vietnamese forum at
> http://forum.openoffice.org/**vi/ <http://forum.openoffice.org/vi/>
>
> So, a couple of questions for the forum administrators:
> - What are the steps needed to reopen the forum? Are you able to do it?
> (pending consensus of course)
> - And, more important, was the site closed just because of accumulated
> spam due to insufficient moderation, or other reasons that need to be
> addressed before reopening?
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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> Addressing the second question, the Vietnamese forum was closed only
because it was full of spam and the original moderators could not be
contacted.
I'll post a message on the forum advising people of this thread.
Regards,
Francis