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Posted to doc@openoffice.apache.org by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> on 2013/01/24 00:12:47 UTC

[Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

We need to agree on how to handle screenshots on the user guide. It is
important to have a consistent look across the different pages so we need
to choose a "model system" to use to take screenshots.

On MWiki, it is easy to upload a new version for an existing file, so on
"draft mode" there is no problem: even if an author cannot set his/her
system with the agreed look&feel, any editor will be able to redo the shot
and update the picture with the new version.

So, which system and style do we want? Right now, all the screenshots
reflect *my* preferences: a Linux box with KDE, QtCurve with a custom style
and Crystal window decoration.

Regards
Ricardo

RE: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by Salva <sa...@open-office.es>.
Just one fact: 87% of those who download Apache OpenOffice since last May 7,
2012 using Windows (source: Sourceforge)


Salva


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Mike Tuma [mailto:mtuma5672@gmail.com] 
Enviado el: jueves, 24 de enero de 2013 19:20
Para: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Asunto: Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Rob,

Ok, sounds good, I understand about the copyright issue, however that begs
the question how other software companies do it? Anyway my vote would be
Ubuntu, but we would have to agree a version so that the screenshots
are consistent.  Have you had other feedback?

I am not sure what the next steps are, so please let me know what I can do
to help.

Thanks,
Mike

RE: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <or...@apache.org>.
I think the 3rd party content exception is listed because Microsoft can't give permission to show 3rd party content.  They mention that case generally at the top of the page with regard to what Microsoft is unable to do.  (Note that the same situation arises whether it is Ubuntu or some other GUI.  There's nothing in the GPL about screen captures from an installed GPL-licensed product.)

Since there is no problem with having permission for Apache OpenOffice content in Microsoft screen captures, I doubt there is a problem, any more than there is in anyone else's install and getting-started guides.

Note, however, that if the Apache OpenOffice screen shot includes 3rd party content from someone else, it needs to be clear that AOO has permission to display that.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Tuma [mailto:mtuma5672@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 14:36
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Please ignore my grammatical errors :-)

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I concur that using Ubuntu for the screenshots, however I find it very
> curios that 87% of downloads are Windows Server users (or does 2012
> encapsulate Win8 also?). To put everyone at ease I looked up the legalese
> from Microsoft, and according to them, we can use their screenshots as long
> as we conform to their rules. The sticky one is number 4, and it is not
> well defined...back to Ubuntu?
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/Permissions/Default.aspx#ERG
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all;
>
>>
>> If there is lack of consensus on whether there is legal risk or not then
>> the best way to go is to use a Linux variant. We can put a Note in the
>> Introduction that the appearance of some elements will differ from what
>> they see in the documentation.
>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>
>

Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com>.
Please ignore my grammatical errors :-)

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I concur that using Ubuntu for the screenshots, however I find it very
> curios that 87% of downloads are Windows Server users (or does 2012
> encapsulate Win8 also?). To put everyone at ease I looked up the legalese
> from Microsoft, and according to them, we can use their screenshots as long
> as we conform to their rules. The sticky one is number 4, and it is not
> well defined...back to Ubuntu?
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/Permissions/Default.aspx#ERG
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all;
>
>>
>> If there is lack of consensus on whether there is legal risk or not then
>> the best way to go is to use a Linux variant. We can put a Note in the
>> Introduction that the appearance of some elements will differ from what
>> they see in the documentation.
>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>
>

Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com>.
I concur that using Ubuntu for the screenshots, however I find it very
curios that 87% of downloads are Windows Server users (or does 2012
encapsulate Win8 also?). To put everyone at ease I looked up the legalese
from Microsoft, and according to them, we can use their screenshots as long
as we conform to their rules. The sticky one is number 4, and it is not
well defined...back to Ubuntu?

http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/Permissions/Default.aspx#ERG

Cheers,
Mike





Hi all;

>
> If there is lack of consensus on whether there is legal risk or not then
> the best way to go is to use a Linux variant. We can put a Note in the
> Introduction that the appearance of some elements will differ from what
> they see in the documentation.
>
> Regards
> Keith

Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>> Ok, sounds good, I understand about the copyright issue, however that begs
>> the question how other software companies do it? Anyway my vote would be
>> Ubuntu, but we would have to agree a version so that the screenshots
>> are consistent.  Have you had other feedback?
>>
>
> Personally, I don't think there is legal risk here.  Perhaps other
> book authors/publishers agree in that.  But since some on the mailing
> list have expressed this concern, and I see other websites claim that
> it is nebulous, I don't have a problem with using Linux for the
> screenshots.   It is similar enough that Windows and Mac users should
> not be confused.
>
> -Rob
>
Hi all;

If there is lack of consensus on whether there is legal risk or not then 
the best way to go is to use a Linux variant. We can put a Note in the 
Introduction that the appearance of some elements will differ from what 
they see in the documentation.

Regards
Keith


>
>> I am not sure what the next steps are, so please let me know what I can do
>> to help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>

Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Ok, sounds good, I understand about the copyright issue, however that begs
> the question how other software companies do it? Anyway my vote would be
> Ubuntu, but we would have to agree a version so that the screenshots
> are consistent.  Have you had other feedback?
>

Personally, I don't think there is legal risk here.  Perhaps other
book authors/publishers agree in that.  But since some on the mailing
list have expressed this concern, and I see other websites claim that
it is nebulous, I don't have a problem with using Linux for the
screenshots.   It is similar enough that Windows and Mac users should
not be confused.

-Rob


> I am not sure what the next steps are, so please let me know what I can do
> to help.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com>.
Rob,

Ok, sounds good, I understand about the copyright issue, however that begs
the question how other software companies do it? Anyway my vote would be
Ubuntu, but we would have to agree a version so that the screenshots
are consistent.  Have you had other feedback?

I am not sure what the next steps are, so please let me know what I can do
to help.

Thanks,
Mike

Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a newbie to the project and discussion, please let me know if I am
> doing anything wrong as I am not familiar with the culture or etiquette. I
> am however familiar with OS documentation.
>

Hi Mike,

Welcome to the project.  We have a webpage on list etiquette here:

http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html

Most of it is just common-sense and politeness..

> Here are my thoughts, let me know if I am off my rocker.
>
> Questions: Do we have screen shots for the different OS's? Will these show
> up in the help files? Or is help all Web (e.g. one centralized set of
> instructions)?
>

This is my understanding of the concern:   Some consider the use of
screenshots from Microsoft Windows and Apple MacOS to be legally
nebulous, since the user interface elements that we inherit from those
platforms may be covered under copyright.  So to be safe the proposal
is to use screenshots only from open source operating systems, like
Linux.   And for the sake of uniformity we want to agree on the
exactly platform and consistency for these screenshots.

Personally, I'll be doing my writing on a Windows 7 machine.  But so
long as we have a volunteer willing to make the screenshots on Linux,
that should be fine.  It might make sense to have a set of sample
documents with copyright-free text in them, Loren ipsum type stuff.
Or some other documents that we create.  We want to avoid two things:
1) Using copyrighted documents in our screenshots. and 2) Using
documents that have, e.g., spelling or grammatical errors in them
(unless of course we're writing about spell checking!)

-Rob

> Windows: Windows 7
> Mac: OSX Lion
> Linux: Well, what is the distro market share? Ubuntu, which is Gnome. Or,
> what is UI market share? I would guess Gnome again.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike

Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Posted by Mike Tuma <mt...@gmail.com>.
Hi,

I am a newbie to the project and discussion, please let me know if I am
doing anything wrong as I am not familiar with the culture or etiquette. I
am however familiar with OS documentation.

Here are my thoughts, let me know if I am off my rocker.

Questions: Do we have screen shots for the different OS's? Will these show
up in the help files? Or is help all Web (e.g. one centralized set of
instructions)?

Windows: Windows 7
Mac: OSX Lion
Linux: Well, what is the distro market share? Ubuntu, which is Gnome. Or,
what is UI market share? I would guess Gnome again.

Cheers,
Mike