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Posted to users@servicemix.apache.org by "Mark T." <ma...@gmail.com> on 2007/07/03 22:41:38 UTC
ServiceMix without Maven
If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I have to have
maven installed?
I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static configuration.
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Kit Plummer <ki...@gmail.com>.
On 7/9/07, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/9/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > By the way, what is the size of your Maven repository?
>
> This is 100% dependent upon the project(s) you manage using Maven. I
> manage a *lot* of projects that use Maven so my local repo (i.e., the
> one on my MacBook) is typically somewhere between 1-2gb. But remember
> that includes all transitive dependencies
> (http://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-dependency-mechanism.html)
> for all of these projects.
>
> One thing I highly suggest to clients is to establish your own repo
> inside your company and point only at it instead of directly to the
> public repos on the internet. This will help you manage your
> dependencies much better because then you completely control what is
> being downloaded. I believe Kit and his team still do this.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
Generally we only manage our own libraries, one's that we've generated
- or, libraries that we've had issues with (for example a maven mojo).
We use the project's pom.xml configuration to control the versions.
But, we have a very strict control of the libraries that get deployed
to our "production" environment. In order to guarantee that we don't
have any "strange" downloads show up - we isolate our deployment
environment by segregating from the build environment. It is somewhat
clunky - but, we've not see a good reason to load our production
libraries/dependencies in to there own repo.
That said, we would really like to get to the point where all of our
dependencies reside in a local repo. My team is getting
geographically dispersed rapidly - and new developers are coming on.
It would be easiest is we provide a modified settings.xml file which
only allows building against our local repo.
Kit
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Nobody-in-Charge @ Black:Hole:Logic
http://www.blackholelogic.com
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 7/9/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By the way, what is the size of your Maven repository?
This is 100% dependent upon the project(s) you manage using Maven. I
manage a *lot* of projects that use Maven so my local repo (i.e., the
one on my MacBook) is typically somewhere between 1-2gb. But remember
that includes all transitive dependencies
(http://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-dependency-mechanism.html)
for all of these projects.
One thing I highly suggest to clients is to establish your own repo
inside your company and point only at it instead of directly to the
public repos on the internet. This will help you manage your
dependencies much better because then you completely control what is
being downloaded. I believe Kit and his team still do this.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Kit Plummer <ki...@gmail.com>.
On 7/9/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> kitplummer wrote:
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> kitplummer wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> kitplummer wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mark T. wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> bsnyder wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >>>> to have
> >> >> >>>> maven installed?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
> >> >> >>>> configuration.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary
> >> download.
> >> >> >>> Maven is required if you are:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
> >> >> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
> >> >> >>> skeletons
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Bruce
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> perl -e 'print
> >> >> >>>
> >> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> >> >> >>> );'
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> >> >> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> >> >> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> >> >> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
> >> >> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial
> >> to
> >> >> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is
> >> >> that
> >> >> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven
> >> to
> >> >> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA
> >> >> packages
> >> >> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to
> >> >> create
> >> >> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> View this message in context:
> >> >>
> >> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
> >> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
> >> > examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would signify
> >> > a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have Ant
> >> > builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
> >> > (SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for the answer. As a system administrator I am trying to
> >> determine
> >> requirements for the use/support for ServiceMix and or Maven. As Maven
> >> would require an additional repository to maintain in my environment, I
> >> was
> >> curious if not using Maven was an option; while still providing
> >> developers
> >> the tools to develop and deploy packages to Service Mix.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11449461
> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> > Yep. Been there.
> >
> > I realize there's a bit of a learning curve (more so than Ant) to
> > Maven. But, the overhead (resources) required by Maven is well worth
> > the efficiency in development. My employer was very hesitant about
> > Maven and the management of Open libraries and their versions -
> > initially. We've come to greatly value what the public and local
> > Maven repos provide. As you build SE/BC/SA/SU components having a
> > local repository is of great value.
> >
> > What we do locally is embed a Maven repo inside of a Subversion
> > repository. This way we can control library versions, and lock-down
> > for access control. So, if a particular component requires some
> > special version we can capture it locally, and reference it from
> > Maven's pom.xml in the component. We also use the same repository to
> > home internally developed components - as to be used by anyone inside
> > our company firewall.
> >
> > We've also come to greatly appreciate Maven's integration with
> > Continuum as well as many of the other plugins (Javadoc generation,
> > site generation, etc.). Dependency management is huge though - and I
> > don't think there is anything even remotely close from any other tool.
> > By using Maven's site building plugin we get a fabricated transitive
> > dependency report which we use in Technology Readiness Reviews (before
> > we go production). We know EXACTLY what is needed to deploy.
> >
> > Anyway - don't get hung up on Mavens steep learning curve...and don't
> > let developer's laziness curb you either. Ant is nice - but, Maven is
> > powerful.
> >
> >
>
> By the way, what is the size of your Maven repository?
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11507864
> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
It is roughly 450MB.
--
Kit Plummer
Nobody-in-Charge @ Black:Hole:Logic
http://www.blackholelogic.com
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by "Mark T." <ma...@gmail.com>.
kitplummer wrote:
>
> On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> kitplummer wrote:
>> >
>> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> kitplummer wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Mark T. wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> bsnyder wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I
>> >> have
>> >> >>>> to have
>> >> >>>> maven installed?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
>> >> >>>> configuration.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary
>> download.
>> >> >>> Maven is required if you are:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
>> >> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
>> >> >>> skeletons
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Bruce
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> perl -e 'print
>> >> >>>
>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> >> >>> );'
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> >> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
>> >> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
>> >> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
>> >> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial
>> to
>> >> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is
>> >> that
>> >> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven
>> to
>> >> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA
>> >> packages
>> >> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to
>> >> create
>> >> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
>> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
>> > examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would signify
>> > a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have Ant
>> > builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
>> > (SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
>> >
>> > Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the answer. As a system administrator I am trying to
>> determine
>> requirements for the use/support for ServiceMix and or Maven. As Maven
>> would require an additional repository to maintain in my environment, I
>> was
>> curious if not using Maven was an option; while still providing
>> developers
>> the tools to develop and deploy packages to Service Mix.
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11449461
>> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
> Yep. Been there.
>
> I realize there's a bit of a learning curve (more so than Ant) to
> Maven. But, the overhead (resources) required by Maven is well worth
> the efficiency in development. My employer was very hesitant about
> Maven and the management of Open libraries and their versions -
> initially. We've come to greatly value what the public and local
> Maven repos provide. As you build SE/BC/SA/SU components having a
> local repository is of great value.
>
> What we do locally is embed a Maven repo inside of a Subversion
> repository. This way we can control library versions, and lock-down
> for access control. So, if a particular component requires some
> special version we can capture it locally, and reference it from
> Maven's pom.xml in the component. We also use the same repository to
> home internally developed components - as to be used by anyone inside
> our company firewall.
>
> We've also come to greatly appreciate Maven's integration with
> Continuum as well as many of the other plugins (Javadoc generation,
> site generation, etc.). Dependency management is huge though - and I
> don't think there is anything even remotely close from any other tool.
> By using Maven's site building plugin we get a fabricated transitive
> dependency report which we use in Technology Readiness Reviews (before
> we go production). We know EXACTLY what is needed to deploy.
>
> Anyway - don't get hung up on Mavens steep learning curve...and don't
> let developer's laziness curb you either. Ant is nice - but, Maven is
> powerful.
>
>
By the way, what is the size of your Maven repository?
--
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by "Mark T." <ma...@gmail.com>.
bsnyder wrote:
>
> On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is the exact position that I am currently in. I am very reluctant
>> at
>> this moment to use Maven. Specifically the versioning and management of
>> the
>> repository. We must have the ability to certify our product will work
>> when
>> building against maven. Management of the various dependency versions
>> seems
>> to be a huge headache waiting to happen.
>
> Actually Maven is managing the artifacts based on the versions you
> tell it to use (via the pom.xml file) for the compilation and
> packaging of the project. Once you tell it what versions to use, it
> handles the download and inclusion of those dependencies in the
> artifacts that are created from the project.
>
>> The site building plugin you mentioned. Does that report on the exact
>> dependency versions in the Maven repository or the required dependency
>> version as required by a project?
>
> The site plugin can create a whole laundry list of different reports
> depending on what plugins you tel it to use. One of those plugins
> generates a report of all the dependencies used by a project. This
> shows you exactly what dependencies and their versions are used by a
> given project.
>
>> I am currently trying to wrap my brain around Maven, to see what can/has
>> to
>> be done.... I have a long way to go. Thanks for all of your input.
>
> The initial change from Ant to Maven can see rather odd. In fact, I
> can even remember when Kit was pretty opposed to Maven but it seems
> that he has changed his mind ;-). I suggest reading a few things to
> get you going:
>
> An introduction to Maven 2
> http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-2005/jw-1205-maven.html?lsrc=maven-users
>
> Maven Getting Started Guide
> http://maven.apache.org/guides/getting-started/index.html
>
> Maven: The Definitive Guide
> http://www.sonatype.com/book/
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
>
Thanks. I am reading the Definitive Guide right now.
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is the exact position that I am currently in. I am very reluctant at
> this moment to use Maven. Specifically the versioning and management of the
> repository. We must have the ability to certify our product will work when
> building against maven. Management of the various dependency versions seems
> to be a huge headache waiting to happen.
Actually Maven is managing the artifacts based on the versions you
tell it to use (via the pom.xml file) for the compilation and
packaging of the project. Once you tell it what versions to use, it
handles the download and inclusion of those dependencies in the
artifacts that are created from the project.
> The site building plugin you mentioned. Does that report on the exact
> dependency versions in the Maven repository or the required dependency
> version as required by a project?
The site plugin can create a whole laundry list of different reports
depending on what plugins you tel it to use. One of those plugins
generates a report of all the dependencies used by a project. This
shows you exactly what dependencies and their versions are used by a
given project.
> I am currently trying to wrap my brain around Maven, to see what can/has to
> be done.... I have a long way to go. Thanks for all of your input.
The initial change from Ant to Maven can see rather odd. In fact, I
can even remember when Kit was pretty opposed to Maven but it seems
that he has changed his mind ;-). I suggest reading a few things to
get you going:
An introduction to Maven 2
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-2005/jw-1205-maven.html?lsrc=maven-users
Maven Getting Started Guide
http://maven.apache.org/guides/getting-started/index.html
Maven: The Definitive Guide
http://www.sonatype.com/book/
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Kit Plummer <ki...@gmail.com>.
On 7/6/07, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/6/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...
> > I will be the first to admit, most of my fears are based upon a lack of
> > Maven knowledge.. The more I read/hear it seems that Maven will be able to
> > address my concerns.
>
> This is definitely a very common situation and statement. Nearly every
> person I've helped get started with Maven (and there are a *lot* of
> those now) have made this very statement. The one exception to this is
> a small group of folks who simply refuse to read up and learn
> something new.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
Yep, we're definitely one of Bruce's success stories. I think there
is a basic problem that people encounter when introduced to Maven: it
is another build tool option. But, one must look beyond comparing
Maven to Ant, or make, or whatever.
Maven, and it's documentation/support channel has come a long way
since we first started using it to. Funny, how documentation always
seems to come into the discussion with Open projects.
Back to the archetype plugin. The ability build skeletons, and import
them into the IDE of choice is invaluable from my perspective as a
software project manager. I can turn on a C++ developer to a 5-minute
tutorial and then all they have to do is populate the logic in Java.
The spin up time gets cut extremely short if they don't have to learn
about all the stuff going on underneath.
Kit
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 7/6/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> I will be the first to admit, most of my fears are based upon a lack of
> Maven knowledge.. The more I read/hear it seems that Maven will be able to
> address my concerns.
This is definitely a very common situation and statement. Nearly every
person I've helped get started with Maven (and there are a *lot* of
those now) have made this very statement. The one exception to this is
a small group of folks who simply refuse to read up and learn
something new.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by "Mark T." <ma...@gmail.com>.
kitplummer wrote:
>
> On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> kitplummer wrote:
>> >
>> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> kitplummer wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> kitplummer wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mark T. wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> bsnyder wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do
>> I
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> >>>> to have
>> >> >> >>>> maven installed?
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
>> >> >> >>>> configuration.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary
>> >> download.
>> >> >> >>> Maven is required if you are:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
>> >> >> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA
>> project
>> >> >> >>> skeletons
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Bruce
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> perl -e 'print
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> >> >> >>> );'
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> >> >> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
>> >> >> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
>> >> >> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of
>> putting
>> >> >> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be
>> beneficial
>> >> to
>> >> >> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out
>> is
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use
>> maven
>> >> to
>> >> >> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA
>> >> >> packages
>> >> >> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort
>> to
>> >> >> create
>> >> >> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> View this message in context:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
>> >> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
>> >> > examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would
>> signify
>> >> > a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have
>> Ant
>> >> > builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
>> >> > (SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the answer. As a system administrator I am trying to
>> >> determine
>> >> requirements for the use/support for ServiceMix and or Maven. As
>> Maven
>> >> would require an additional repository to maintain in my environment,
>> I
>> >> was
>> >> curious if not using Maven was an option; while still providing
>> >> developers
>> >> the tools to develop and deploy packages to Service Mix.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11449461
>> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Yep. Been there.
>> >
>> > I realize there's a bit of a learning curve (more so than Ant) to
>> > Maven. But, the overhead (resources) required by Maven is well worth
>> > the efficiency in development. My employer was very hesitant about
>> > Maven and the management of Open libraries and their versions -
>> > initially. We've come to greatly value what the public and local
>> > Maven repos provide. As you build SE/BC/SA/SU components having a
>> > local repository is of great value.
>> >
>> > What we do locally is embed a Maven repo inside of a Subversion
>> > repository. This way we can control library versions, and lock-down
>> > for access control. So, if a particular component requires some
>> > special version we can capture it locally, and reference it from
>> > Maven's pom.xml in the component. We also use the same repository to
>> > home internally developed components - as to be used by anyone inside
>> > our company firewall.
>> >
>> > We've also come to greatly appreciate Maven's integration with
>> > Continuum as well as many of the other plugins (Javadoc generation,
>> > site generation, etc.). Dependency management is huge though - and I
>> > don't think there is anything even remotely close from any other tool.
>> > By using Maven's site building plugin we get a fabricated transitive
>> > dependency report which we use in Technology Readiness Reviews (before
>> > we go production). We know EXACTLY what is needed to deploy.
>> >
>> > Anyway - don't get hung up on Mavens steep learning curve...and don't
>> > let developer's laziness curb you either. Ant is nice - but, Maven is
>> > powerful.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> That is the exact position that I am currently in. I am very reluctant
>> at
>> this moment to use Maven. Specifically the versioning and management of
>> the
>> repository. We must have the ability to certify our product will work
>> when
>> building against maven. Management of the various dependency versions
>> seems
>> to be a huge headache waiting to happen.
>>
>> The site building plugin you mentioned. Does that report on the exact
>> dependency versions in the Maven repository or the required dependency
>> version as required by a project?
>>
>> I am currently trying to wrap my brain around Maven, to see what can/has
>> to
>> be done.... I have a long way to go. Thanks for all of your input.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11454379
>> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
>
>
> Hey Mark. It sounds like you are afraid of Maven's capabilities that
> will actually solve exactly the problem you described. By specifying
> a dependency's version for each project it is possible to control what
> library is compiled against, packaged, and deployed.
>
> Here's a snip:
>
> <properties>
> <servicemix-version>fuse-3.1.1.0</servicemix-version>
> </properties>
> <dependencies>
> <dependency>
> <groupId>org.apache.servicemix</groupId>
> <artifactId>servicemix-lwcontainer</artifactId>
> <version>${servicemix-version}</version>
> </dependency>
> <dependency>
> <groupId>org.apache.servicemix</groupId>
> <artifactId>servicemix-components</artifactId>
> <version>${servicemix-version}</version>
> </dependency>
> <dependency>
> <groupId>org.apache.servicemix</groupId>
> <artifactId>servicemix-common</artifactId>
> <version>${servicemix-version}</version>
> </dependency>
> <dependency>
> <groupId>org.apache.servicemix</groupId>
> <artifactId>servicemix-core</artifactId>
> <version>${servicemix-version}</version>
> <scope>provided</scope>
> </dependency>
> ...
>
> You can see the <version> element describes exactly which version of
> the library is used. The <scope> element defines whether or not that
> library is packaged up with the SA or SU. If you use provided, then
> the library must exists somewhere on the classpath already.
>
> I would suggest a quick study of an example pom.xml.
>
> One of the problem libraries we have is Castor. There's a maven
> plugin that we use that automatically builds Java objects from a
> XSDs...well, the plugin has dependencies that don't match the version
> of Castor we deploy. By controlling this from within Maven's pom.xml
> structure we can ensure the service gets built to specification.
>
> The site plugin's transitive dependency report shows exactly what is
> required by/and used by the project. It is very handy.
>
> Kit
>
>
I will be the first to admit, most of my fears are based upon a lack of
Maven knowledge.. The more I read/hear it seems that Maven will be able to
address my concerns.
--
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Kit Plummer <ki...@gmail.com>.
On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> kitplummer wrote:
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> kitplummer wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> kitplummer wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mark T. wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> bsnyder wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >>>> to have
> >> >> >>>> maven installed?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
> >> >> >>>> configuration.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary
> >> download.
> >> >> >>> Maven is required if you are:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
> >> >> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
> >> >> >>> skeletons
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Bruce
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> perl -e 'print
> >> >> >>>
> >> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> >> >> >>> );'
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> >> >> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> >> >> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> >> >> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
> >> >> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial
> >> to
> >> >> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is
> >> >> that
> >> >> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven
> >> to
> >> >> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA
> >> >> packages
> >> >> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to
> >> >> create
> >> >> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> View this message in context:
> >> >>
> >> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
> >> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
> >> > examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would signify
> >> > a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have Ant
> >> > builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
> >> > (SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for the answer. As a system administrator I am trying to
> >> determine
> >> requirements for the use/support for ServiceMix and or Maven. As Maven
> >> would require an additional repository to maintain in my environment, I
> >> was
> >> curious if not using Maven was an option; while still providing
> >> developers
> >> the tools to develop and deploy packages to Service Mix.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11449461
> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> > Yep. Been there.
> >
> > I realize there's a bit of a learning curve (more so than Ant) to
> > Maven. But, the overhead (resources) required by Maven is well worth
> > the efficiency in development. My employer was very hesitant about
> > Maven and the management of Open libraries and their versions -
> > initially. We've come to greatly value what the public and local
> > Maven repos provide. As you build SE/BC/SA/SU components having a
> > local repository is of great value.
> >
> > What we do locally is embed a Maven repo inside of a Subversion
> > repository. This way we can control library versions, and lock-down
> > for access control. So, if a particular component requires some
> > special version we can capture it locally, and reference it from
> > Maven's pom.xml in the component. We also use the same repository to
> > home internally developed components - as to be used by anyone inside
> > our company firewall.
> >
> > We've also come to greatly appreciate Maven's integration with
> > Continuum as well as many of the other plugins (Javadoc generation,
> > site generation, etc.). Dependency management is huge though - and I
> > don't think there is anything even remotely close from any other tool.
> > By using Maven's site building plugin we get a fabricated transitive
> > dependency report which we use in Technology Readiness Reviews (before
> > we go production). We know EXACTLY what is needed to deploy.
> >
> > Anyway - don't get hung up on Mavens steep learning curve...and don't
> > let developer's laziness curb you either. Ant is nice - but, Maven is
> > powerful.
> >
> >
>
>
> That is the exact position that I am currently in. I am very reluctant at
> this moment to use Maven. Specifically the versioning and management of the
> repository. We must have the ability to certify our product will work when
> building against maven. Management of the various dependency versions seems
> to be a huge headache waiting to happen.
>
> The site building plugin you mentioned. Does that report on the exact
> dependency versions in the Maven repository or the required dependency
> version as required by a project?
>
> I am currently trying to wrap my brain around Maven, to see what can/has to
> be done.... I have a long way to go. Thanks for all of your input.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11454379
> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
Hey Mark. It sounds like you are afraid of Maven's capabilities that
will actually solve exactly the problem you described. By specifying
a dependency's version for each project it is possible to control what
library is compiled against, packaged, and deployed.
Here's a snip:
<properties>
<servicemix-version>fuse-3.1.1.0</servicemix-version>
</properties>
<dependencies>
<dependency>
<groupId>org.apache.servicemix</groupId>
<artifactId>servicemix-lwcontainer</artifactId>
<version>${servicemix-version}</version>
</dependency>
<dependency>
<groupId>org.apache.servicemix</groupId>
<artifactId>servicemix-components</artifactId>
<version>${servicemix-version}</version>
</dependency>
<dependency>
<groupId>org.apache.servicemix</groupId>
<artifactId>servicemix-common</artifactId>
<version>${servicemix-version}</version>
</dependency>
<dependency>
<groupId>org.apache.servicemix</groupId>
<artifactId>servicemix-core</artifactId>
<version>${servicemix-version}</version>
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>
...
You can see the <version> element describes exactly which version of
the library is used. The <scope> element defines whether or not that
library is packaged up with the SA or SU. If you use provided, then
the library must exists somewhere on the classpath already.
I would suggest a quick study of an example pom.xml.
One of the problem libraries we have is Castor. There's a maven
plugin that we use that automatically builds Java objects from a
XSDs...well, the plugin has dependencies that don't match the version
of Castor we deploy. By controlling this from within Maven's pom.xml
structure we can ensure the service gets built to specification.
The site plugin's transitive dependency report shows exactly what is
required by/and used by the project. It is very handy.
Kit
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by "Mark T." <ma...@gmail.com>.
kitplummer wrote:
>
> On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> kitplummer wrote:
>> >
>> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> kitplummer wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Mark T. wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> bsnyder wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I
>> >> have
>> >> >>>> to have
>> >> >>>> maven installed?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
>> >> >>>> configuration.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary
>> download.
>> >> >>> Maven is required if you are:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
>> >> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
>> >> >>> skeletons
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Bruce
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> perl -e 'print
>> >> >>>
>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> >> >>> );'
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> >> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
>> >> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
>> >> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
>> >> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial
>> to
>> >> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is
>> >> that
>> >> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven
>> to
>> >> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA
>> >> packages
>> >> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to
>> >> create
>> >> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
>> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
>> > examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would signify
>> > a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have Ant
>> > builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
>> > (SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
>> >
>> > Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the answer. As a system administrator I am trying to
>> determine
>> requirements for the use/support for ServiceMix and or Maven. As Maven
>> would require an additional repository to maintain in my environment, I
>> was
>> curious if not using Maven was an option; while still providing
>> developers
>> the tools to develop and deploy packages to Service Mix.
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11449461
>> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
> Yep. Been there.
>
> I realize there's a bit of a learning curve (more so than Ant) to
> Maven. But, the overhead (resources) required by Maven is well worth
> the efficiency in development. My employer was very hesitant about
> Maven and the management of Open libraries and their versions -
> initially. We've come to greatly value what the public and local
> Maven repos provide. As you build SE/BC/SA/SU components having a
> local repository is of great value.
>
> What we do locally is embed a Maven repo inside of a Subversion
> repository. This way we can control library versions, and lock-down
> for access control. So, if a particular component requires some
> special version we can capture it locally, and reference it from
> Maven's pom.xml in the component. We also use the same repository to
> home internally developed components - as to be used by anyone inside
> our company firewall.
>
> We've also come to greatly appreciate Maven's integration with
> Continuum as well as many of the other plugins (Javadoc generation,
> site generation, etc.). Dependency management is huge though - and I
> don't think there is anything even remotely close from any other tool.
> By using Maven's site building plugin we get a fabricated transitive
> dependency report which we use in Technology Readiness Reviews (before
> we go production). We know EXACTLY what is needed to deploy.
>
> Anyway - don't get hung up on Mavens steep learning curve...and don't
> let developer's laziness curb you either. Ant is nice - but, Maven is
> powerful.
>
>
That is the exact position that I am currently in. I am very reluctant at
this moment to use Maven. Specifically the versioning and management of the
repository. We must have the ability to certify our product will work when
building against maven. Management of the various dependency versions seems
to be a huge headache waiting to happen.
The site building plugin you mentioned. Does that report on the exact
dependency versions in the Maven repository or the required dependency
version as required by a project?
I am currently trying to wrap my brain around Maven, to see what can/has to
be done.... I have a long way to go. Thanks for all of your input.
--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11454379
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Kit Plummer <ki...@gmail.com>.
On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> kitplummer wrote:
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> kitplummer wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mark T. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> bsnyder wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I
> >> have
> >> >>>> to have
> >> >>>> maven installed?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
> >> >>>> configuration.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary download.
> >> >>> Maven is required if you are:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
> >> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
> >> >>> skeletons
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Bruce
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> perl -e 'print
> >> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> >> >>> );'
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> >> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> >> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> >> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
> >> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial to
> >> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is
> >> that
> >> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven to
> >> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA
> >> packages
> >> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to
> >> create
> >> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
> > examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would signify
> > a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have Ant
> > builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
> > (SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
> >
> > Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for the answer. As a system administrator I am trying to determine
> requirements for the use/support for ServiceMix and or Maven. As Maven
> would require an additional repository to maintain in my environment, I was
> curious if not using Maven was an option; while still providing developers
> the tools to develop and deploy packages to Service Mix.
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11449461
> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
Yep. Been there.
I realize there's a bit of a learning curve (more so than Ant) to
Maven. But, the overhead (resources) required by Maven is well worth
the efficiency in development. My employer was very hesitant about
Maven and the management of Open libraries and their versions -
initially. We've come to greatly value what the public and local
Maven repos provide. As you build SE/BC/SA/SU components having a
local repository is of great value.
What we do locally is embed a Maven repo inside of a Subversion
repository. This way we can control library versions, and lock-down
for access control. So, if a particular component requires some
special version we can capture it locally, and reference it from
Maven's pom.xml in the component. We also use the same repository to
home internally developed components - as to be used by anyone inside
our company firewall.
We've also come to greatly appreciate Maven's integration with
Continuum as well as many of the other plugins (Javadoc generation,
site generation, etc.). Dependency management is huge though - and I
don't think there is anything even remotely close from any other tool.
By using Maven's site building plugin we get a fabricated transitive
dependency report which we use in Technology Readiness Reviews (before
we go production). We know EXACTLY what is needed to deploy.
Anyway - don't get hung up on Mavens steep learning curve...and don't
let developer's laziness curb you either. Ant is nice - but, Maven is
powerful.
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by "Mark T." <ma...@gmail.com>.
kitplummer wrote:
>
> On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> kitplummer wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark T. wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bsnyder wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I
>> have
>> >>>> to have
>> >>>> maven installed?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
>> >>>> configuration.
>> >>>
>> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary download.
>> >>> Maven is required if you are:
>> >>>
>> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
>> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
>> >>> skeletons
>> >>>
>> >>> Bruce
>> >>> --
>> >>> perl -e 'print
>> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> >>> );'
>> >>>
>> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
>> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
>> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
>> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial to
>> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is
>> that
>> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven to
>> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA
>> packages
>> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to
>> create
>> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
>>
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>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
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>>
>>
>
> I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
> examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would signify
> a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have Ant
> builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
> (SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
>
> Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
>
>
Thanks for the answer. As a system administrator I am trying to determine
requirements for the use/support for ServiceMix and or Maven. As Maven
would require an additional repository to maintain in my environment, I was
curious if not using Maven was an option; while still providing developers
the tools to develop and deploy packages to Service Mix.
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Kit Plummer <ki...@gmail.com>.
On 7/5/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> kitplummer wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark T. wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> bsnyder wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I have
> >>>> to have
> >>>> maven installed?
> >>>>
> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
> >>>> configuration.
> >>>
> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary download.
> >>> Maven is required if you are:
> >>>
> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
> >>> skeletons
> >>>
> >>> Bruce
> >>> --
> >>> perl -e 'print
> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> >>> );'
> >>>
> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
> >>
> >
> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial to
> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
> >
> > http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
> >
> >
>
>
> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is that
> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven to
> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA packages
> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to create
> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would signify
a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have Ant
builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
(SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by "Mark T." <ma...@gmail.com>.
kitplummer wrote:
>
>
>
> Mark T. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> bsnyder wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I have
>>>> to have
>>>> maven installed?
>>>>
>>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
>>>> configuration.
>>>
>>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary download.
>>> Maven is required if you are:
>>>
>>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
>>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
>>> skeletons
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>> --
>>> perl -e 'print
>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>>> );'
>>>
>>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
>>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
>>> Castor - http://castor.org/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
>>
>
> I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
> together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial to
> see the power of the maven archetypes.
>
> http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
>
>
Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is that
while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven to
create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA packages
with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to create
the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by kitplummer <ki...@gmail.com>.
Mark T. wrote:
>
>
>
> bsnyder wrote:
>>
>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I have to
>>> have
>>> maven installed?
>>>
>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
>>> configuration.
>>
>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary download.
>> Maven is required if you are:
>>
>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
>> skeletons
>>
>> Bruce
>> --
>> perl -e 'print
>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> );'
>>
>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
>> Castor - http://castor.org/
>>
>>
>
>
> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
>
I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting together
a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial to see the power
of the maven archetypes.
http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Kit Plummer <ki...@gmail.com>.
It is possible to use a maven feature (archetype) to create Service
Unit and Service Assemblie skeletons and the associated build/deploy
mechanics. This is true for Service Engines as well.
There's some documentation on the SM site:
http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/hello-world-se.html
http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/notes-on-creating-jbi-component-using-maven2.html
Kit
On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> bsnyder wrote:
> >
> > On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I have to
> >> have
> >> maven installed?
> >>
> >> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static configuration.
> >
> > No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary download.
> > Maven is required if you are:
> >
> > a) Building the ServiceMix source code
> > b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project skeletons
> >
> > Bruce
> > --
> > perl -e 'print
> > unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> > );'
> >
> > Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> > Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> > Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> > Castor - http://castor.org/
> >
> >
>
>
> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11421069
> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
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Nobody-in-Charge @ Black:Hole:Logic
http://www.blackholelogic.com
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
Have a read of these FAQ items and you'll understand:
http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/what-is-a-jbi-su-and-how-do-i-create-one.html
http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/what-is-a-jbi-sa-and-how-do-i-create-one.html
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by "Mark T." <ma...@gmail.com>.
bsnyder wrote:
>
> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I have to
>> have
>> maven installed?
>>
>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static configuration.
>
> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary download.
> Maven is required if you are:
>
> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project skeletons
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
>
Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
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Re: ServiceMix without Maven
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 7/3/07, Mark T. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I have to have
> maven installed?
>
> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static configuration.
No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary download.
Maven is required if you are:
a) Building the ServiceMix source code
b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project skeletons
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Castor - http://castor.org/