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Posted to users@netbeans.apache.org by Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com> on 2021/10/08 07:59:09 UTC
Pssst!
Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java or stick
with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face off.
Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
There are worse things than doing Kotlin on IntelliJ. Congrats on the new
job!
--emi
mar., 12 oct. 2021, 13:35 Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com> a scris:
> It's a nice sentiment (and one I agree with) but I've recently been
> employed by people who one might say have swallowed this Kotlin/IntelliJ
> cool-aide.
>
> Therefore I either learn Kotlin, or I find another job; before this, I was
> unemployed (on a pension) for more than 13 years. Hence, I would rather
> that this job succeeded if at all possible. If NetBeans supported Kotlin,
> I'd use NetBeans.
>
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 23:36, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
>> IntelliJ.
>>
>> +1 - this! IMO it's a good thing when developer tools and languages
>> have some distance.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
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Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>.
It's a nice sentiment (and one I agree with) but I've recently been
employed by people who one might say have swallowed this Kotlin/IntelliJ
cool-aide.
Therefore I either learn Kotlin, or I find another job; before this, I was
unemployed (on a pension) for more than 13 years. Hence, I would rather
that this job succeeded if at all possible. If NetBeans supported Kotlin,
I'd use NetBeans.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 23:36, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> IntelliJ.
>
> +1 - this! IMO it's a good thing when developer tools and languages
> have some distance.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into IntelliJ.
+1 - this! IMO it's a good thing when developer tools and languages
have some distance.
Best wishes,
Neil
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AW: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
The stuff, that already was integrated into the core is just a simple Syntax highlighting, nothing more.
Von: John Kostaras
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Oktober 2021 21:07
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
$ find . -name *otlin*
./.git/logs/refs/remotes/origin/kotlin-donation
./java/kotlin.editor
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/Kotlin.kt.template
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/Kotlin.tmLanguage.json
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file.png
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file.svg
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file@2x.png
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 14:45, Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is also this older Kotlin plugin, which looks like it may have been
> the initial work by JetBrains.
>
> https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans
>
> This one is at least in a modular format, whereas the other repository
> includes all of NetBeans. I think that the basic Kotlin support was merged
> into NetBeans already, so maybe that is the code from this repository.
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> Apress Author <https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=juneau>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:15 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So what are the options for this? Bring it in as a “cluster”, merge it,
> > break it out and manage as an independent (and publish to the new plug-in
> > center) plug-in?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:02 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There is this branch
> > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/tree/kotlin-donation but last
> changes
> > > were in Dezember last year.
> > >
> > > Von: Eric Bresie
> > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2021 16:25
> > > An: Netbeans Developer List
> > > Betreff: Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
> > >
> > > I was talking about references to Kotlin like (1),(3),(5).
> > >
> > > As I understand it, there is some basic functionality
> > (highlight/coloring,
> > > editing), some of which involved a Kotlin plugin originally developed
> by
> > > JetBrain (4) which was not being maintained and was being donated to
> the
> > > Apache Netbeans group. Based on the PR (2), it seems like it was
> > accepted
> > > but not sure if it was in a branch or in mainline Netbeans master.
> > >
> > > References
> > > (1)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rdacdb451a163a12c77850dd18877f1ecce9de5468aed030a063cc303%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > (2) https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1398
> > > (3)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7b94ee7479bd09532243bef45af528f730dcbb6256c7f10dc2de0d89%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > (4) https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans/issues
> > > (5)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rb43470160dcee184837623eddb29defcb0410c02fb71b7607d816225%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > Eric Bresie
> > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:42 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> > > > IntelliJ.
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <
> > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows
> one
> > > to
> > > > use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I
> have
> > > had
> > > > to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this
> > new
> > > > project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I
> am
> > > > pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans
> > and
> > > > discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle
> (and
> > > > perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to
> > > IntelliJ
> > > > perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making
> the
> > > > decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I
> > do
> > > > not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java
> > in
> > > a
> > > > way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what
> > > build
> > > > tool I choose to use.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating
> > > Kotlin
> > > > support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything
> further
> > > > happen with that?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language
> > implementation”?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Eric
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <
> > > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to
> > > > reassert.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <
> > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with
> Java
> > > or
> > > > stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's
> > face
> > > > off.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Eric Bresie
> > > > >> ebresie@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
> >
>
AW: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
The branch „kotlin-donation“ is already based on the Kotlin-netbeans repo, see https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans/issues/137 and https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1398
Von: John Kostaras
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Oktober 2021 21:07
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
$ find . -name *otlin*
./.git/logs/refs/remotes/origin/kotlin-donation
./java/kotlin.editor
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/Kotlin.kt.template
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/Kotlin.tmLanguage.json
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file.png
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file.svg
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file@2x.png
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 14:45, Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is also this older Kotlin plugin, which looks like it may have been
> the initial work by JetBrains.
>
> https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans
>
> This one is at least in a modular format, whereas the other repository
> includes all of NetBeans. I think that the basic Kotlin support was merged
> into NetBeans already, so maybe that is the code from this repository.
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> Apress Author <https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=juneau>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:15 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So what are the options for this? Bring it in as a “cluster”, merge it,
> > break it out and manage as an independent (and publish to the new plug-in
> > center) plug-in?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:02 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There is this branch
> > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/tree/kotlin-donation but last
> changes
> > > were in Dezember last year.
> > >
> > > Von: Eric Bresie
> > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2021 16:25
> > > An: Netbeans Developer List
> > > Betreff: Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
> > >
> > > I was talking about references to Kotlin like (1),(3),(5).
> > >
> > > As I understand it, there is some basic functionality
> > (highlight/coloring,
> > > editing), some of which involved a Kotlin plugin originally developed
> by
> > > JetBrain (4) which was not being maintained and was being donated to
> the
> > > Apache Netbeans group. Based on the PR (2), it seems like it was
> > accepted
> > > but not sure if it was in a branch or in mainline Netbeans master.
> > >
> > > References
> > > (1)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rdacdb451a163a12c77850dd18877f1ecce9de5468aed030a063cc303%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > (2) https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1398
> > > (3)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7b94ee7479bd09532243bef45af528f730dcbb6256c7f10dc2de0d89%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > (4) https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans/issues
> > > (5)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rb43470160dcee184837623eddb29defcb0410c02fb71b7607d816225%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > Eric Bresie
> > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:42 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> > > > IntelliJ.
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <
> > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows
> one
> > > to
> > > > use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I
> have
> > > had
> > > > to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this
> > new
> > > > project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I
> am
> > > > pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans
> > and
> > > > discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle
> (and
> > > > perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to
> > > IntelliJ
> > > > perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making
> the
> > > > decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I
> > do
> > > > not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java
> > in
> > > a
> > > > way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what
> > > build
> > > > tool I choose to use.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating
> > > Kotlin
> > > > support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything
> further
> > > > happen with that?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language
> > implementation”?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Eric
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <
> > > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to
> > > > reassert.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <
> > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with
> Java
> > > or
> > > > stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's
> > face
> > > > off.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Eric Bresie
> > > > >> ebresie@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
> >
>
Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
$ find . -name *otlin*
./.git/logs/refs/remotes/origin/kotlin-donation
./java/kotlin.editor
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/Kotlin.kt.template
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/Kotlin.tmLanguage.json
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file.png
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file.svg
./java/kotlin.editor/src/org/netbeans/modules/kotlin/editor/kotlin_file@2x.png
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 14:45, Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is also this older Kotlin plugin, which looks like it may have been
> the initial work by JetBrains.
>
> https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans
>
> This one is at least in a modular format, whereas the other repository
> includes all of NetBeans. I think that the basic Kotlin support was merged
> into NetBeans already, so maybe that is the code from this repository.
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> Apress Author <https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=juneau>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:15 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So what are the options for this? Bring it in as a “cluster”, merge it,
> > break it out and manage as an independent (and publish to the new plug-in
> > center) plug-in?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:02 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There is this branch
> > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/tree/kotlin-donation but last
> changes
> > > were in Dezember last year.
> > >
> > > Von: Eric Bresie
> > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2021 16:25
> > > An: Netbeans Developer List
> > > Betreff: Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
> > >
> > > I was talking about references to Kotlin like (1),(3),(5).
> > >
> > > As I understand it, there is some basic functionality
> > (highlight/coloring,
> > > editing), some of which involved a Kotlin plugin originally developed
> by
> > > JetBrain (4) which was not being maintained and was being donated to
> the
> > > Apache Netbeans group. Based on the PR (2), it seems like it was
> > accepted
> > > but not sure if it was in a branch or in mainline Netbeans master.
> > >
> > > References
> > > (1)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rdacdb451a163a12c77850dd18877f1ecce9de5468aed030a063cc303%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > (2) https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1398
> > > (3)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7b94ee7479bd09532243bef45af528f730dcbb6256c7f10dc2de0d89%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > (4) https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans/issues
> > > (5)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rb43470160dcee184837623eddb29defcb0410c02fb71b7607d816225%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > Eric Bresie
> > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:42 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> > > > IntelliJ.
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <
> > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows
> one
> > > to
> > > > use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I
> have
> > > had
> > > > to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this
> > new
> > > > project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I
> am
> > > > pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans
> > and
> > > > discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle
> (and
> > > > perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to
> > > IntelliJ
> > > > perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making
> the
> > > > decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I
> > do
> > > > not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java
> > in
> > > a
> > > > way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what
> > > build
> > > > tool I choose to use.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating
> > > Kotlin
> > > > support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything
> further
> > > > happen with that?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language
> > implementation”?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Eric
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <
> > > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to
> > > > reassert.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <
> > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with
> Java
> > > or
> > > > stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's
> > face
> > > > off.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Eric Bresie
> > > > >> ebresie@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
> >
>
Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
There is also this older Kotlin plugin, which looks like it may have been
the initial work by JetBrains.
https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans
This one is at least in a modular format, whereas the other repository
includes all of NetBeans. I think that the basic Kotlin support was merged
into NetBeans already, so maybe that is the code from this repository.
Josh Juneau
juneau001@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
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On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:15 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So what are the options for this? Bring it in as a “cluster”, merge it,
> break it out and manage as an independent (and publish to the new plug-in
> center) plug-in?
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:02 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > There is this branch
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/tree/kotlin-donation but last changes
> > were in Dezember last year.
> >
> > Von: Eric Bresie
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2021 16:25
> > An: Netbeans Developer List
> > Betreff: Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
> >
> > I was talking about references to Kotlin like (1),(3),(5).
> >
> > As I understand it, there is some basic functionality
> (highlight/coloring,
> > editing), some of which involved a Kotlin plugin originally developed by
> > JetBrain (4) which was not being maintained and was being donated to the
> > Apache Netbeans group. Based on the PR (2), it seems like it was
> accepted
> > but not sure if it was in a branch or in mainline Netbeans master.
> >
> > References
> > (1)
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rdacdb451a163a12c77850dd18877f1ecce9de5468aed030a063cc303%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > (2) https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1398
> > (3)
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7b94ee7479bd09532243bef45af528f730dcbb6256c7f10dc2de0d89%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > (4) https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans/issues
> > (5)
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rb43470160dcee184837623eddb29defcb0410c02fb71b7607d816225%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:42 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> > > IntelliJ.
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <
> owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows one
> > to
> > > use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I have
> > had
> > > to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this
> new
> > > project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I am
> > > pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans
> and
> > > discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle (and
> > > perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to
> > IntelliJ
> > > perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making the
> > > decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I
> do
> > > not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java
> in
> > a
> > > way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what
> > build
> > > tool I choose to use.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating
> > Kotlin
> > > support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything further
> > > happen with that?
> > > >>
> > > >> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language
> implementation”?
> > > >>
> > > >> Eric
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <
> > owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to
> > > reassert.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <
> owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java
> > or
> > > stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's
> face
> > > off.
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Eric Bresie
> > > >> ebresie@gmail.com
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > --
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
So what are the options for this? Bring it in as a “cluster”, merge it,
break it out and manage as an independent (and publish to the new plug-in
center) plug-in?
Eric
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 4:02 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> There is this branch
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/tree/kotlin-donation but last changes
> were in Dezember last year.
>
> Von: Eric Bresie
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2021 16:25
> An: Netbeans Developer List
> Betreff: Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
>
> I was talking about references to Kotlin like (1),(3),(5).
>
> As I understand it, there is some basic functionality (highlight/coloring,
> editing), some of which involved a Kotlin plugin originally developed by
> JetBrain (4) which was not being maintained and was being donated to the
> Apache Netbeans group. Based on the PR (2), it seems like it was accepted
> but not sure if it was in a branch or in mainline Netbeans master.
>
> References
> (1)
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rdacdb451a163a12c77850dd18877f1ecce9de5468aed030a063cc303%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> (2) https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1398
> (3)
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7b94ee7479bd09532243bef45af528f730dcbb6256c7f10dc2de0d89%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> (4) https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans/issues
> (5)
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rb43470160dcee184837623eddb29defcb0410c02fb71b7607d816225%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:42 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> > IntelliJ.
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows one
> to
> > use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I have
> had
> > to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this new
> > project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I am
> > pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans and
> > discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle (and
> > perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to
> IntelliJ
> > perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making the
> > decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I do
> > not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
> > >
> > > I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java in
> a
> > way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what
> build
> > tool I choose to use.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating
> Kotlin
> > support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything further
> > happen with that?
> > >>
> > >> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language implementation”?
> > >>
> > >> Eric
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <
> owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to
> > reassert.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <owen.paul.thomas@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java
> or
> > stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face
> > off.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Eric Bresie
> > >> ebresie@gmail.com
> >
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> >
> >
>
> --
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
AW: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
There is this branch https://github.com/apache/netbeans/tree/kotlin-donation but last changes were in Dezember last year.
Von: Eric Bresie
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2021 16:25
An: Netbeans Developer List
Betreff: Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
I was talking about references to Kotlin like (1),(3),(5).
As I understand it, there is some basic functionality (highlight/coloring,
editing), some of which involved a Kotlin plugin originally developed by
JetBrain (4) which was not being maintained and was being donated to the
Apache Netbeans group. Based on the PR (2), it seems like it was accepted
but not sure if it was in a branch or in mainline Netbeans master.
References
(1)
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rdacdb451a163a12c77850dd18877f1ecce9de5468aed030a063cc303%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
(2) https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1398
(3)
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7b94ee7479bd09532243bef45af528f730dcbb6256c7f10dc2de0d89%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
(4) https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans/issues
(5)
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rb43470160dcee184837623eddb29defcb0410c02fb71b7607d816225%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:42 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> IntelliJ.
>
> --emi
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows one to
> use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I have had
> to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this new
> project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I am
> pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans and
> discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle (and
> perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to IntelliJ
> perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making the
> decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I do
> not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
> >
> > I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java in a
> way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what build
> tool I choose to use.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating Kotlin
> support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything further
> happen with that?
> >>
> >> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language implementation”?
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to
> reassert.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java or
> stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face
> off.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eric Bresie
> >> ebresie@gmail.com
>
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Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
I was talking about references to Kotlin like (1),(3),(5).
As I understand it, there is some basic functionality (highlight/coloring,
editing), some of which involved a Kotlin plugin originally developed by
JetBrain (4) which was not being maintained and was being donated to the
Apache Netbeans group. Based on the PR (2), it seems like it was accepted
but not sure if it was in a branch or in mainline Netbeans master.
References
(1)
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rdacdb451a163a12c77850dd18877f1ecce9de5468aed030a063cc303%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
(2) https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1398
(3)
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7b94ee7479bd09532243bef45af528f730dcbb6256c7f10dc2de0d89%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
(4) https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-netbeans/issues
(5)
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rb43470160dcee184837623eddb29defcb0410c02fb71b7607d816225%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 8:42 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> IntelliJ.
>
> --emi
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows one to
> use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I have had
> to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this new
> project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I am
> pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans and
> discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle (and
> perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to IntelliJ
> perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making the
> decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I do
> not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
> >
> > I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java in a
> way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what build
> tool I choose to use.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating Kotlin
> support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything further
> happen with that?
> >>
> >> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language implementation”?
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to
> reassert.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java or
> stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face
> off.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eric Bresie
> >> ebresie@gmail.com
>
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Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>.
I would agree with you Emilian. Similar forces drove me to Java 15 years
ago. I have felt for the longest time that my nature for mechanical
curiosity has been used to fulfil the pernicious narcissism of others. I
imagine that in the future, my dalliance with Kotlin may come at some
financial expense.
I just write computer programs.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 00:42, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into
> IntelliJ.
>
> --emi
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows one to
> use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I have had
> to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this new
> project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I am
> pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans and
> discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle (and
> perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to IntelliJ
> perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making the
> decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I do
> not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
> >
> > I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java in a
> way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what build
> tool I choose to use.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating Kotlin
> support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything further
> happen with that?
> >>
> >> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language implementation”?
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to
> reassert.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java or
> stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face
> off.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eric Bresie
> >> ebresie@gmail.com
>
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>
Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
Looks like Kotlin is working as intended and funneling people into IntelliJ.
--emi
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:38 AM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows one to use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I have had to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this new project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I am pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans and discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle (and perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to IntelliJ perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making the decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I do not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
>
> I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java in a way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what build tool I choose to use.
>
>
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating Kotlin support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything further happen with that?
>>
>> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language implementation”?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to reassert.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java or stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face off.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Bresie
>> ebresie@gmail.com
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Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>.
I have found myself cajoled into using IntelliJ because it allows one to
use Java and Kotlin sources simultaneously. To do this however, I have had
to create a new project using Gradle and copy my Java sources to this new
project because IntelliJ thumbs it's nose at Ant projects. So, now I am
pondering the prospect of continuing with the Ant project in NetBeans and
discarding the Kotlin sources, or making the transition to Gradle (and
perhaps IntelliJ) permanent. The second option (minus the move to IntelliJ
perhaps) is inevitable, but I do feel as though IntelliJ is making the
decision on what is an appropriate build tool for me at a time when I do
not think it necessary to entertain such a move.
I'd like it better if NetBeans was able to intermix Kotlin and Java in a
way similar to IntelliJ, but without making a judgement call on what build
tool I choose to use.
On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 00:23, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating Kotlin
> support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything further
> happen with that?
>
> Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language implementation”?
>
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to reassert.
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java or
>>> stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face
>>> off.
>>>
>> --
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
Re: Pssst! [Kotlin Support]
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
Unrelated but at some point, there was discussion of integrating Kotlin
support (I believe donated by JetBrain developer)…did anything further
happen with that?
Or is Kotlin another candidate for “new LSP language implementation”?
Eric
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:03 PM Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to reassert.
>
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java or
>> stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face
>> off.
>>
> --
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
Re: Pssst!
Posted by Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com>.
Okay... I make a provisional withdrawal and reserve the right to reassert.
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:59, Owen Thomas <ow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Java and Kotlin interoperability is a fabrication. Stick with Java or
> stick with Kotlin. Don't try it; it will only lead one to rip one's face
> off.
>