Prohibit operator not working with phrase

[Steven Knowles <em...@knowles.net.au>]

This question will highlight how much I don't know, but hoping somebody can help me get to the bottom of a puzzle.

I'm trying to ascertain why inclusion of, for instance:

-"united bank"

.. ie. a prohibit operator and phrase, not on its own but together with some other required operators, does NOT return a document which DOES NOT contain the phrase "united bank".

The document which isn't returned, but should be so far as my understanding goes, is a Word (.doc) document. I've checked for "united bank" within metadata, but can find no trace. I have tested another phrase and same result, ie. the problem doesn't appear to be specific to this particular phrase.

The document in question is definitely indexed, because it appears in all manner of other searches.

I know that we use Lucene in conjunction with MySQL and ASP.NET, and this all runs on Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard. I know also that MySQL WorkBench 5.2.44 CE is used. But to ascertain what version of Lucene is used, I'd need some guidance on where to look.

Is there somebody who can guide me on whether it's a known issue, whether I need to arrange update of Lucene, whether there's some kind of setting I need to tweak ?

I'm sure there's info that I haven't provided which might help somebody answer the questions, so happy to hear what info is needed.

I'd like to understand the reason for the problem so that I can either tailor searches accordingly, or make it work how I think it should work.

Many thanks, Steven

Re: Prohibit operator not working with phrase

[Itamar Syn-Hershko <it...@code972.com>]

Pinged you


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Steven Knowles <em...@knowles.net.au>wrote:

> If anybody can recommend a Consultant who is proficient with MySQL,
> Lucene, then I'd be happy to communicate.
>
> On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:11 pm, Anders Lybecker <an...@lybecker.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Lucene is a framework used by developers to build search functionality
> into
> > applications. I guess you should hire a consultant that can help you.
> >
> > Anders
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Steven Knowles <emailus@knowles.net.au
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for your interest Anders.
> >>
> >> I'd love to provide anything you need, if I knew how. I'm reasonably
> >> proficient with MacOS, however limited knowledge of Windows.
> >>
> >> I do have access to the server in question, and aren't too bad at
> finding
> >> my way around Windows with some direction, but to give you some idea of
> my
> >> level of dumbness, if I go to the Start menu and search Lucene, nothing
> >> shows. I assume that's because Lucene isn't a standalone application.
> >>
> >> In case it helps, I'm talking about the business of recruitment, where
> >> incoming CVs are indexed, and I undertstand its Lucene which was
> engaged to
> >> provide the text search capability due to MySQL not having this
> capability.
> >>
> >> Alternatively if anybody was keen enough I do have TeamViewer installed
> on
> >> the server for collaboration.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Steven
> >>
> >> On 12 Nov 2013, at 4:26 pm, Anders Lybecker <an...@lybecker.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> We need to know more about your archtecture and how you index and
> search
> >>> with Lucene. Do you have code you can share?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Anders Lybecker
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Steven Knowles <
> emailus@knowles.net.au
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This question will highlight how much I don't know, but hoping
> somebody
> >>>> can help me get to the bottom of a puzzle.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm trying to ascertain why inclusion of, for instance:
> >>>>
> >>>> -"united bank"
> >>>>
> >>>> .. ie. a prohibit operator and phrase, not on its own but together
> with
> >>>> some other required operators, does NOT return a document which DOES
> NOT
> >>>> contain the phrase "united bank".
> >>>>
> >>>> The document which isn't returned, but should be so far as my
> >>>> understanding goes, is a Word (.doc) document. I've checked for
> "united
> >>>> bank" within metadata, but can find no trace. I have tested another
> >> phrase
> >>>> and same result, ie. the problem doesn't appear to be specific to this
> >>>> particular phrase.
> >>>>
> >>>> The document in question is definitely indexed, because it appears in
> >> all
> >>>> manner of other searches.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know that we use Lucene in conjunction with MySQL and ASP.NET, and
> >> this
> >>>> all runs on Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard. I know also that MySQL
> >>>> WorkBench 5.2.44 CE is used. But to ascertain what version of Lucene
> is
> >>>> used, I'd need some guidance on where to look.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there somebody who can guide me on whether it's a known issue,
> >> whether
> >>>> I need to arrange update of Lucene, whether there's some kind of
> >> setting I
> >>>> need to tweak ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure there's info that I haven't provided which might help
> somebody
> >>>> answer the questions, so happy to hear what info is needed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd like to understand the reason for the problem so that I can either
> >>>> tailor searches accordingly, or make it work how I think it should
> work.
> >>>>
> >>>> Many thanks, Steven
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: Prohibit operator not working with phrase

[Steven Knowles <em...@knowles.net.au>]

If anybody can recommend a Consultant who is proficient with MySQL, Lucene, then I'd be happy to communicate.

On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:11 pm, Anders Lybecker <an...@lybecker.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Lucene is a framework used by developers to build search functionality into
> applications. I guess you should hire a consultant that can help you.
> 
> Anders
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Steven Knowles <em...@knowles.net.au>wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for your interest Anders.
>> 
>> I'd love to provide anything you need, if I knew how. I'm reasonably
>> proficient with MacOS, however limited knowledge of Windows.
>> 
>> I do have access to the server in question, and aren't too bad at finding
>> my way around Windows with some direction, but to give you some idea of my
>> level of dumbness, if I go to the Start menu and search Lucene, nothing
>> shows. I assume that's because Lucene isn't a standalone application.
>> 
>> In case it helps, I'm talking about the business of recruitment, where
>> incoming CVs are indexed, and I undertstand its Lucene which was engaged to
>> provide the text search capability due to MySQL not having this capability.
>> 
>> Alternatively if anybody was keen enough I do have TeamViewer installed on
>> the server for collaboration.
>> 
>> Cheers, Steven
>> 
>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 4:26 pm, Anders Lybecker <an...@lybecker.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We need to know more about your archtecture and how you index and search
>>> with Lucene. Do you have code you can share?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Anders Lybecker
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Steven Knowles <emailus@knowles.net.au
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This question will highlight how much I don't know, but hoping somebody
>>>> can help me get to the bottom of a puzzle.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm trying to ascertain why inclusion of, for instance:
>>>> 
>>>> -"united bank"
>>>> 
>>>> .. ie. a prohibit operator and phrase, not on its own but together with
>>>> some other required operators, does NOT return a document which DOES NOT
>>>> contain the phrase "united bank".
>>>> 
>>>> The document which isn't returned, but should be so far as my
>>>> understanding goes, is a Word (.doc) document. I've checked for "united
>>>> bank" within metadata, but can find no trace. I have tested another
>> phrase
>>>> and same result, ie. the problem doesn't appear to be specific to this
>>>> particular phrase.
>>>> 
>>>> The document in question is definitely indexed, because it appears in
>> all
>>>> manner of other searches.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that we use Lucene in conjunction with MySQL and ASP.NET, and
>> this
>>>> all runs on Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard. I know also that MySQL
>>>> WorkBench 5.2.44 CE is used. But to ascertain what version of Lucene is
>>>> used, I'd need some guidance on where to look.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there somebody who can guide me on whether it's a known issue,
>> whether
>>>> I need to arrange update of Lucene, whether there's some kind of
>> setting I
>>>> need to tweak ?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sure there's info that I haven't provided which might help somebody
>>>> answer the questions, so happy to hear what info is needed.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to understand the reason for the problem so that I can either
>>>> tailor searches accordingly, or make it work how I think it should work.
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks, Steven
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: Prohibit operator not working with phrase

[Anders Lybecker <an...@lybecker.com>]

Hi,

Lucene is a framework used by developers to build search functionality into
applications. I guess you should hire a consultant that can help you.

Anders


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Steven Knowles <em...@knowles.net.au>wrote:

> Thanks for your interest Anders.
>
> I'd love to provide anything you need, if I knew how. I'm reasonably
> proficient with MacOS, however limited knowledge of Windows.
>
> I do have access to the server in question, and aren't too bad at finding
> my way around Windows with some direction, but to give you some idea of my
> level of dumbness, if I go to the Start menu and search Lucene, nothing
> shows. I assume that's because Lucene isn't a standalone application.
>
> In case it helps, I'm talking about the business of recruitment, where
> incoming CVs are indexed, and I undertstand its Lucene which was engaged to
> provide the text search capability due to MySQL not having this capability.
>
> Alternatively if anybody was keen enough I do have TeamViewer installed on
> the server for collaboration.
>
> Cheers, Steven
>
> On 12 Nov 2013, at 4:26 pm, Anders Lybecker <an...@lybecker.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > We need to know more about your archtecture and how you index and search
> > with Lucene. Do you have code you can share?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Anders Lybecker
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Steven Knowles <emailus@knowles.net.au
> >wrote:
> >
> >> This question will highlight how much I don't know, but hoping somebody
> >> can help me get to the bottom of a puzzle.
> >>
> >> I'm trying to ascertain why inclusion of, for instance:
> >>
> >> -"united bank"
> >>
> >> .. ie. a prohibit operator and phrase, not on its own but together with
> >> some other required operators, does NOT return a document which DOES NOT
> >> contain the phrase "united bank".
> >>
> >> The document which isn't returned, but should be so far as my
> >> understanding goes, is a Word (.doc) document. I've checked for "united
> >> bank" within metadata, but can find no trace. I have tested another
> phrase
> >> and same result, ie. the problem doesn't appear to be specific to this
> >> particular phrase.
> >>
> >> The document in question is definitely indexed, because it appears in
> all
> >> manner of other searches.
> >>
> >> I know that we use Lucene in conjunction with MySQL and ASP.NET, and
> this
> >> all runs on Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard. I know also that MySQL
> >> WorkBench 5.2.44 CE is used. But to ascertain what version of Lucene is
> >> used, I'd need some guidance on where to look.
> >>
> >> Is there somebody who can guide me on whether it's a known issue,
> whether
> >> I need to arrange update of Lucene, whether there's some kind of
> setting I
> >> need to tweak ?
> >>
> >> I'm sure there's info that I haven't provided which might help somebody
> >> answer the questions, so happy to hear what info is needed.
> >>
> >> I'd like to understand the reason for the problem so that I can either
> >> tailor searches accordingly, or make it work how I think it should work.
> >>
> >> Many thanks, Steven
>
>
>

Re: Prohibit operator not working with phrase

[Steven Knowles <em...@knowles.net.au>]

Thanks for your interest Anders.

I'd love to provide anything you need, if I knew how. I'm reasonably proficient with MacOS, however limited knowledge of Windows.

I do have access to the server in question, and aren't too bad at finding my way around Windows with some direction, but to give you some idea of my level of dumbness, if I go to the Start menu and search Lucene, nothing shows. I assume that's because Lucene isn't a standalone application.

In case it helps, I'm talking about the business of recruitment, where incoming CVs are indexed, and I undertstand its Lucene which was engaged to provide the text search capability due to MySQL not having this capability.

Alternatively if anybody was keen enough I do have TeamViewer installed on the server for collaboration.

Cheers, Steven

On 12 Nov 2013, at 4:26 pm, Anders Lybecker <an...@lybecker.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> We need to know more about your archtecture and how you index and search
> with Lucene. Do you have code you can share?
> 
> Regards,
> Anders Lybecker
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Steven Knowles <em...@knowles.net.au>wrote:
> 
>> This question will highlight how much I don't know, but hoping somebody
>> can help me get to the bottom of a puzzle.
>> 
>> I'm trying to ascertain why inclusion of, for instance:
>> 
>> -"united bank"
>> 
>> .. ie. a prohibit operator and phrase, not on its own but together with
>> some other required operators, does NOT return a document which DOES NOT
>> contain the phrase "united bank".
>> 
>> The document which isn't returned, but should be so far as my
>> understanding goes, is a Word (.doc) document. I've checked for "united
>> bank" within metadata, but can find no trace. I have tested another phrase
>> and same result, ie. the problem doesn't appear to be specific to this
>> particular phrase.
>> 
>> The document in question is definitely indexed, because it appears in all
>> manner of other searches.
>> 
>> I know that we use Lucene in conjunction with MySQL and ASP.NET, and this
>> all runs on Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard. I know also that MySQL
>> WorkBench 5.2.44 CE is used. But to ascertain what version of Lucene is
>> used, I'd need some guidance on where to look.
>> 
>> Is there somebody who can guide me on whether it's a known issue, whether
>> I need to arrange update of Lucene, whether there's some kind of setting I
>> need to tweak ?
>> 
>> I'm sure there's info that I haven't provided which might help somebody
>> answer the questions, so happy to hear what info is needed.
>> 
>> I'd like to understand the reason for the problem so that I can either
>> tailor searches accordingly, or make it work how I think it should work.
>> 
>> Many thanks, Steven

Re: Prohibit operator not working with phrase

[Anders Lybecker <an...@lybecker.com>]

Hi,

We need to know more about your archtecture and how you index and search
with Lucene. Do you have code you can share?

Regards,
Anders Lybecker


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Steven Knowles <em...@knowles.net.au>wrote:

> This question will highlight how much I don't know, but hoping somebody
> can help me get to the bottom of a puzzle.
>
> I'm trying to ascertain why inclusion of, for instance:
>
> -"united bank"
>
> .. ie. a prohibit operator and phrase, not on its own but together with
> some other required operators, does NOT return a document which DOES NOT
> contain the phrase "united bank".
>
> The document which isn't returned, but should be so far as my
> understanding goes, is a Word (.doc) document. I've checked for "united
> bank" within metadata, but can find no trace. I have tested another phrase
> and same result, ie. the problem doesn't appear to be specific to this
> particular phrase.
>
> The document in question is definitely indexed, because it appears in all
> manner of other searches.
>
> I know that we use Lucene in conjunction with MySQL and ASP.NET, and this
> all runs on Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard. I know also that MySQL
> WorkBench 5.2.44 CE is used. But to ascertain what version of Lucene is
> used, I'd need some guidance on where to look.
>
> Is there somebody who can guide me on whether it's a known issue, whether
> I need to arrange update of Lucene, whether there's some kind of setting I
> need to tweak ?
>
> I'm sure there's info that I haven't provided which might help somebody
> answer the questions, so happy to hear what info is needed.
>
> I'd like to understand the reason for the problem so that I can either
> tailor searches accordingly, or make it work how I think it should work.
>
> Many thanks, Steven