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FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Hi all,
Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
(Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a pretty
good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
Thanks,
Gj
Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans
Community"
Posted by James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com>.
Wow.I totally forgot that I had told that story.
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Here's the awesome YouTube version of that textual explication:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5Q39MuTvk
>
> :-)
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:58 PM James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com> wrote:
>
>> Here’s a little piece of relevant Sun history you may not know: when I was
>> trying to get Sun to buy NetBeans, the
>> powers-that-be didn’t like it because it wasn’t a “big play”. They wanted
>> to buy a big tool company for a lot
>> of money. They settled on Forté software, which was completely idiotic
>> (they did developer tools for IBM
>> mainframes), but they were expensive (>1$B). I wouldn’t shut up about how
>> idiotic this was, especially
>> given that NetBeans was a much better company with a much better product.
>> I was effectively asked
>> “If we buy both, will you shut up?”. I said OK, Forté crashed and burned,
>> NetBeans sailed on.
>>
>> You should have charged Sun more. :-)
>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We’re implicitly keeping the Sun flag flying. :-)
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 22:27, James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That was a really nice talk! Thanks for doing it!
>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
>>>>>>> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can
>>>> get
>>>>>>> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and
>> direction
>>>> of
>>>>>>> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Here's the awesome YouTube version of that textual explication:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5Q39MuTvk
:-)
Gj
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:58 PM James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com> wrote:
> Here’s a little piece of relevant Sun history you may not know: when I was
> trying to get Sun to buy NetBeans, the
> powers-that-be didn’t like it because it wasn’t a “big play”. They wanted
> to buy a big tool company for a lot
> of money. They settled on Forté software, which was completely idiotic
> (they did developer tools for IBM
> mainframes), but they were expensive (>1$B). I wouldn’t shut up about how
> idiotic this was, especially
> given that NetBeans was a much better company with a much better product.
> I was effectively asked
> “If we buy both, will you shut up?”. I said OK, Forté crashed and burned,
> NetBeans sailed on.
>
> You should have charged Sun more. :-)
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > We’re implicitly keeping the Sun flag flying. :-)
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 22:27, James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That was a really nice talk! Thanks for doing it!
> >>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> >>>>> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
> >>>> pretty
> >>>>> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can
> >> get
> >>>>> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and
> direction
> >> of
> >>>>> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gj
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans
Community"
Posted by James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com>.
Here’s a little piece of relevant Sun history you may not know: when I was trying to get Sun to buy NetBeans, the
powers-that-be didn’t like it because it wasn’t a “big play”. They wanted to buy a big tool company for a lot
of money. They settled on Forté software, which was completely idiotic (they did developer tools for IBM
mainframes), but they were expensive (>1$B). I wouldn’t shut up about how idiotic this was, especially
given that NetBeans was a much better company with a much better product. I was effectively asked
“If we buy both, will you shut up?”. I said OK, Forté crashed and burned, NetBeans sailed on.
You should have charged Sun more. :-)
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> We’re implicitly keeping the Sun flag flying. :-)
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 22:27, James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com> wrote:
>
>> That was a really nice talk! Thanks for doing it!
>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
>>>>> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
>>>> pretty
>>>>> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can
>> get
>>>>> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction
>> of
>>>>> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
We’re implicitly keeping the Sun flag flying. :-)
Gj
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 22:27, James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com> wrote:
> That was a really nice talk! Thanks for doing it!
>
> >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> >>> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
> >> pretty
> >>> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can
> get
> >>> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
> >>>
> >>> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction
> of
> >>> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
> >>>
> >>> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans
Community"
Posted by James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com>.
That was a really nice talk! Thanks for doing it!
>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
>>> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
>> pretty
>>> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
>>> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>>>
>>> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
>>> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>>>
>>> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Posted by Brad Walker <bw...@musings.com>.
Nice!
-brad w.
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> > (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
> pretty
> > good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> > together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
> >
> > One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> > NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
> >
> > https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
>
>
>
>
Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Posted by Junichi Yamamoto <ju...@gmail.com>.
Cool!
Thanks,
Junichi
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a pretty
> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>
> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>
> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 at 13:54, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
+1
> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> NetBeans
Is there a link to some of the resources you were using? I might do a
NetBeans update for a local JUG in the near future, and I guess others
might be doing the same - be good to have a central place for useful
resources if we haven't already?
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Posted by Patrik Karlström <pa...@trixon.se>.
It was really nice to meet in person with parts of what makes NetBeans
NetBeans.
Thank you.
/Patrik
Den mån 3 feb. 2020 kl 14:54 skrev Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>:
> Hi all,
>
> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a pretty
> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>
> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>
> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans
Community"
Posted by Ernie Rael <er...@raelity.com>.
On 2/5/2020 4:49 AM, Carl Mosca wrote:
> I too used "Forte" a bit during my JBuilder days. Brings back some good
> memories.
I used both as well. jVi was first available on JBuilder.
-ernie
PS Has the Oracle DBMS tool fully migrated from JBuidler to NetBeans?
>
> Carl
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:36 AM Thomas Kellerer <sh...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Geertjan Wielenga schrieb am 03.02.2020 um 14:54:
>>> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
>>> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
>> pretty
>>> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
>>> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>>>
>>> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
>>> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>>>
>>> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>> The short introduction to the history of NetBeans reminded me
>> that I started using NetBeans when it was still called "Forte for Java".
>>
>> Which I actually found odd a the time, because DEC (Digital Equipment,
>> later acquired by Compaq)
>> also had a tool named Forté which was a distributed application server -
>> something completely different
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Posted by Carl Mosca <ca...@gmail.com>.
I too used "Forte" a bit during my JBuilder days. Brings back some good
memories.
Carl
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:36 AM Thomas Kellerer <sh...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Geertjan Wielenga schrieb am 03.02.2020 um 14:54:
> > Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> > (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
> pretty
> > good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> > together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
> >
> > One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> > NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
> >
> > https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>
> The short introduction to the history of NetBeans reminded me
> that I started using NetBeans when it was still called "Forte for Java".
>
> Which I actually found odd a the time, because DEC (Digital Equipment,
> later acquired by Compaq)
> also had a tool named Forté which was a distributed application server -
> something completely different
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans
Community"
Posted by Thomas Kellerer <sh...@gmx.net>.
Geertjan Wielenga schrieb am 03.02.2020 um 14:54:
> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a pretty
> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>
> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>
> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
The short introduction to the history of NetBeans reminded me
that I started using NetBeans when it was still called "Forte for Java".
Which I actually found odd a the time, because DEC (Digital Equipment, later acquired by Compaq)
also had a tool named Forté which was a distributed application server - something completely different
Thomas
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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"
Posted by David Green <dg...@gmail.com>.
Very good presentation!
Thanks,
Dave
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 7:54 AM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a pretty
> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>
> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>
> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
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