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Posted to fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org by Matthew Lancashire <m....@ies.uk.com> on 2003/01/30 13:37:21 UTC
Nice attitude! FW: OT: Java novice
Is this the sort of help you want to encourage?
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From: Herr Christian Wolfgang Hujer [mailto:Christian.Hujer@itcqis.com]
Sent: 30 Jan 2003 12:09
To: Matthew Lancashire
Subject: Re: OT: Java novice
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Oh no,
Am Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 12:49 schrieb Matthew Lancashire:
> I am using MS VJ++ 6 which builds an exe file!
MS VJ++ knows how to build exe files but doesn't know Java!
Get yourself a real working Java from SUN, IBM, Blackdown or wherever, but
NOT
FROM MICROSOFT!
MS VJ++ sucks completely.
And at all, this is totally off topic.
For basic questions on how to set up Java try the beginner's forum at
java.sun.com.
For basic questions why MS VJ++ sucks ask Microsoft "Why do 95% of all Java
source codes not successfully compile and run when using VJ++"?
At all, how dare you to bring up Exe's and MS VJ++ on a this list?
Apache httpd <-> MS IIS
Java <-> MS C#/.NET
Open Source <-> MS
And don't tell me I'm ideologically blind. It's your Java implementation
that
doesn't work, not mine. It's MS who do everything to make VJ++ as
incompatible with Java as possible. They violate the specs. If you use an
SDK
from SUN, Borland, IBM etc., it will work fine, not just on *X, but also on
Windows.
Bye
P.S.:
I admit I really had to restrain myself not to use a much harsher voice.
But this (OT + MS + VJ++) really gets me angry.
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Re: Nice attitude! FW: OT: Java novice
Posted by Herr Christian Wolfgang Hujer <Ch...@itcqis.com>.
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Hi,
nice attitude, making privately sent mail public. -/-
But I forgive you. I don't mind. I only didn't send it to the list because I
think it was off topic.
And if you want to, you may also forward the other mail I sent you to the
list.
But then, why didn't you forward the mail you sent me to the list ;-)? The
answer can't be traffic, because otherwise you'd shorten quotes.
Am Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 13:37 schrieb Matthew Lancashire:
> Is this the sort of help you want to encourage?
> -----Original privately sent Message-----
> From: Herr Christian Wolfgang Hujer [mailto:Christian.Hujer@itcqis.com]
> [cut]
I think you got hold of the wrong end of the stick. >:-)
Sorry for that. Seemingly I forgot to place some emoticons. Ah.. always the
same, either they are too many or they are too few ;-)
That doesn't change the facts /:|
VJ++ doesn't know Java.
VJ++ is not Java compatible.
VJ++ may not call itself a Java IDE.
The main problem is you try to use an IDE from MS for Java, while MS (8<|
tries to corrumpt Java, that simply *can't* work. It *can't* (-o-) (-o-).
VJ++ still is at the state of Sun Java SDK 1.1.x. That hasn't changed. While
I'd bet most users use at least 1.3 and several already upgraded to 1.4.1_01.
Despite VJ++ doesn't properly work, it's totally outdated :-}}}
So you simply need to get a different IDE.
Here's a definitely incomplete list of IDEs working with Java on MS Windows:
Visual Age, JBuilder, Eclipse, Forte / NetBeans / Sun Developer Studio, vim,
Emacs, Visual Cafe, BlueJ, JCreator, JPE, JEdit, CodeWarrior and many many
more, sorry to all those I forgot to include in that list, this list really
*is* somewhat incomplete!
I'd recommend vim but, as Larry Wall says, "I don't claim everyone else's mind
works the same as mine does". -=#:->}
Bye
P.S.:
Usually I'd not post such a thing to a list. But if there's still one person
out there trying to use FOP that doesn't know VJ++ doesn't work, there might
be others, so this post still has some very little informational character,
at least because of P.P.S. ;-).
P.P.S.: Glossary of used emoticons
- -/- provoking trouble
>:-) little devil
;-) twinkling
/:| Mr. Spock
(8<| darth vader
(-o-) imperial fighter
:-}}} long beard
- -=#:>} grinning wizard with beard
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Re: Nice attitude! FW: OT: Java novice
Posted by Ben Fowler <bf...@ewitness.co.uk>.
We can't do much about the answers/ help offered, but do we want to encourage
questions on the J++ language and .EXE files?
If the answer is no, how should they be discouraged?
See <URL: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
for guidance on answering (and asking) questions; and
<URL: http://xml.apache.org/fop/gethelp.html > for an account
the help you can expect from the community here.
I expect that most people here would agrww with this statement
"More general questions regarding Java, including deployment, Java
APIs, classpath issues and property definitions should be redirected
to some Java specific list."
At 12:37 pm +0000 30/1/2003, Matthew Lancashire wrote:
>Is this the sort of help you want to encourage?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Herr Christian Wolfgang Hujer [mailto:Christian.Hujer@itcqis.com]
>Sent: 30 Jan 2003 12:09
>To: Matthew Lancashire
>Subject: Re: OT: Java novice
>
>
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>Oh no,
>
>Am Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 12:49 schrieb Matthew Lancashire:
>> I am using MS VJ++ 6 which builds an exe file!
>MS VJ++ knows how to build exe files but doesn't know Java!
Probabky true: I don't know enough about J++ or .EXE files
to say
>Get yourself a real working Java from SUN, IBM, Blackdown or wherever, but
>NOT FROM MICROSOFT!
Computing 101 stuff to me.
>And at all, this is totally off topic.
>
>For basic questions on how to set up Java try the beginner's forum at
>java.sun.com.
Seems OK.
>... If you use an SDK from SUN, Borland, IBM etc., it will work fine, not
>just on *X, but also on Windows.
Probably correct.
Looks like a collection of useful pointers and some basic advice.
Ben
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