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cutting beta-9
Hello,
If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know as I'm
about to start the release process. We have a trio of core developers
who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for beta-9.
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jvz.
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Re: cutting beta-9
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
Could we have a few binary drops to test it out and get back to you with any
bugs that jump out at us?
On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:00, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Hello,
>
> If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know as I'm
> about to start the release process. We have a trio of core developers
> who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for beta-9.
--
Cheers,
Peter Donald
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:17, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:09
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > Jason,
> > >
> > > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release
> them
> > > before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
> >
> > No snapshots remain. There are tools in the release plugin the
> > specifically deal with resolving snapshots against the repository and
> > bumping any SNAPSHOT versions to their next released version.
> >
> > The tools are encapsulated in a model and will work automatically if
> > desired or the tool can be used interactively using the Jelly
> > interaction tag library. I used these tools last release to get rid of
> > all the SNAPSHOTs and bump versions.
>
> Yes, hence my question as I have found some issues with the previous
> release... For example, although the Cactus plugin appeared to have been
> released (it was saying 1.2 in the current version of the cactus
> plugin), it was not. What was missing:
>
> - verifying that the plugin is in a state compatible with a release
> - a new <version> tag in project.xml
> - setting the release date in changes.xml
> - adding a new link in the navigation.xml page mentioning the new
> release
> - uploading the new 1.2 plugin to ibiblio
> - preparing and sending an announcement on the different mailing lists
> - etc.
>
> Persons who are using maven b9 will *THINK* they have a released version
> of the plugins whereas they do not (see the missing item list above).
>
> How do we deal with this?
You can remove it from CVS, put it where you like and deal with it
however you choose as the author of the plugin.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > > Subject: cutting beta-9
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know
> as
> > > I'm
> > > > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core
> developers
> > > > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for
> beta-9.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > jvz.
> > > >
> > > > Jason van Zyl
> > > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > > >
> > > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> > > >
> > > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > > >
> > > >
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> > jvz.
> >
> > Jason van Zyl
> > jason@zenplex.com
> > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> >
> > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> >
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: 08 April 2003 23:09
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
>
> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > Jason,
> >
> > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release
them
> > before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
>
> No snapshots remain. There are tools in the release plugin the
> specifically deal with resolving snapshots against the repository and
> bumping any SNAPSHOT versions to their next released version.
>
> The tools are encapsulated in a model and will work automatically if
> desired or the tool can be used interactively using the Jelly
> interaction tag library. I used these tools last release to get rid of
> all the SNAPSHOTs and bump versions.
Yes, hence my question as I have found some issues with the previous
release... For example, although the Cactus plugin appeared to have been
released (it was saying 1.2 in the current version of the cactus
plugin), it was not. What was missing:
- verifying that the plugin is in a state compatible with a release
- a new <version> tag in project.xml
- setting the release date in changes.xml
- adding a new link in the navigation.xml page mentioning the new
release
- uploading the new 1.2 plugin to ibiblio
- preparing and sending an announcement on the different mailing lists
- etc.
Persons who are using maven b9 will *THINK* they have a released version
of the plugins whereas they do not (see the missing item list above).
How do we deal with this?
Thanks
-Vincent
>
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > Subject: cutting beta-9
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know
as
> > I'm
> > > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core
developers
> > > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for
beta-9.
> > >
> > > --
> > > jvz.
> > >
> > > Jason van Zyl
> > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > >
> > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> > >
> > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> jvz.
>
> Jason van Zyl
> jason@zenplex.com
> http://tambora.zenplex.org
>
> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
>
> -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
>
>
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Jason,
>
> What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release them
> before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
No snapshots remain. There are tools in the release plugin the
specifically deal with resolving snapshots against the repository and
bumping any SNAPSHOT versions to their next released version.
The tools are encapsulated in a model and will work automatically if
desired or the tool can be used interactively using the Jelly
interaction tag library. I used these tools last release to get rid of
all the SNAPSHOTs and bump versions.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: cutting beta-9
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know as
> I'm
> > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core developers
> > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for beta-9.
> >
> > --
> > jvz.
> >
> > Jason van Zyl
> > jason@zenplex.com
> > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> >
> > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> >
> > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> >
> >
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jvz.
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http://tambora.zenplex.org
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Quinton McCombs <qm...@nequalsone.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:54 AM
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
>
>
> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 00:31, Quinton McCombs wrote:
> > Maybe this plugin would be a good candidate to be seperated
> before the
> > release.
> >
> > How is commit access being handled for the plugins that are
> seperated?
> >
>
> For the maven-plugins repository I don't think there will be
> much of a problem for those who are already apache
> committers. But I'm not sure what to do about access for
> those who are not i.e. people who donated their plugins and
> had them placed in CVS but have no access themselves. I'm not
> sure how keen the infrastructure team would be on giving
> access to people for a plugin but we can discuss it.
Any time estimates on when the new repository will be ready? I would
like to start maintaining the torque plugin again...
> For the majority of the plugins I think we'll be fine given
> that as they are managed by existing apache committers. We'll
> need to come up with a plan for the plugins where the primary
> authors are not already apache committers.
>
> --
> jvz.
>
> Jason van Zyl
> jason@zenplex.com
> http://tambora.zenplex.org
>
> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a
> rational and technical order to justify his work and to be
> justified in it.
>
> -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
>
>
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 00:31, Quinton McCombs wrote:
> Maybe this plugin would be a good candidate to be seperated before the
> release.
>
> How is commit access being handled for the plugins that are seperated?
>
For the maven-plugins repository I don't think there will be much of a
problem for those who are already apache committers. But I'm not sure
what to do about access for those who are not i.e. people who donated
their plugins and had them placed in CVS but have no access themselves.
I'm not sure how keen the infrastructure team would be on giving access
to people for a plugin but we can discuss it.
For the majority of the plugins I think we'll be fine given that as they
are managed by existing apache committers. We'll need to come up with a
plan for the plugins where the primary authors are not already apache
committers.
--
jvz.
Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org
In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Quinton McCombs <qm...@nequalsone.com>.
Maybe this plugin would be a good candidate to be seperated before the
release.
How is commit access being handled for the plugins that are seperated?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 4:59 PM
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:24, Michal Maczka wrote:
> > Hi Jason and Maven Team!
> >
> >
> > I have made some modifications to Torque plugin:
> >
> > a) Ported it to use ant namespace explicitly
> > b) I tried to make torque:doc compliant with maven reporting API
> >
> >
> > But I am struggling with some classpath issues and
> basically this last
> > task is not finished
>
> Yah, are you still using Ant tasks? If so I would convert the
> whole lot to be a set of beans and use them that way.
> Probably save yourself a lot ClassLoader problems.
>
> > There in no likely that I will have a time to continue the
> work next
> > few days (very busy at work :( ).
> >
> > So as both this version and old version are not working with Beta9
> > HEAD, maybe while somebody will be cleaning the code for
> this plugin
> > can take a look at my code, and what I wanted to add.
>
> Sorry, but what would you like to be done.
>
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > Michal
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:10 PM
> > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > > Jason,
> > > >
> > > > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have
> to release
> > > > them before the release or do they remain with
> -SNAPSHOT versions?
> > >
> > > The plugins for the most part are effectively still part
> of maven so
> > > I consider them all one release for now so I bump them all. When
> > > anyone wants to start the initiative we will start moving the
> > > plugins out of the main repository.
> > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > > > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > > > Subject: cutting beta-9
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me
> > > > > know as
> > > > I'm
> > > > > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core
> > > > > developers who can bootstrap and generate sites so
> we're ready
> > > > > to go for beta-9.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > jvz.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason van Zyl
> > > > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > > > >
> > > > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a
> rational
> > > > > and technical order to justify his work and to be
> justified in
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > Jason van Zyl
> > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > >
> > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a
> rational and
> > > technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> > >
> > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
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>
> Jason van Zyl
> jason@zenplex.com
> http://tambora.zenplex.org
>
> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a
> rational and technical order to justify his work and to be
> justified in it.
>
> -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:24, Michal Maczka wrote:
> Hi Jason and Maven Team!
>
>
> I have made some modifications to Torque plugin:
>
> a) Ported it to use ant namespace explicitly
> b) I tried to make torque:doc compliant with maven reporting API
>
>
> But I am struggling with some classpath issues and basically this last task
> is not finished
Yah, are you still using Ant tasks? If so I would convert the whole lot
to be a set of beans and use them that way. Probably save yourself a lot
ClassLoader problems.
> There in no likely that I will have a time to continue the work next few
> days
> (very busy at work :( ).
>
> So as both this version and old version are not working with Beta9 HEAD,
> maybe while somebody
> will be cleaning the code for this plugin can take a look at my code, and
> what I wanted to add.
Sorry, but what would you like to be done.
>
> regards
>
>
> Michal
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:10 PM
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > Jason,
> > >
> > > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release them
> > > before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
> >
> > The plugins for the most part are effectively still part of maven so I
> > consider them all one release for now so I bump them all. When anyone
> > wants to start the initiative we will start moving the plugins out of
> > the main repository.
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > > Subject: cutting beta-9
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know as
> > > I'm
> > > > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core developers
> > > > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for beta-9.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > jvz.
> > > >
> > > > Jason van Zyl
> > > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > > >
> > > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> > > >
> > > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > > >
> > > >
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> > jvz.
> >
> > Jason van Zyl
> > jason@zenplex.com
> > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> >
> > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> >
> > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> >
> >
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> >
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Michal Maczka <mm...@interia.pl>.
Hi Jason and Maven Team!
I have made some modifications to Torque plugin:
a) Ported it to use ant namespace explicitly
b) I tried to make torque:doc compliant with maven reporting API
But I am struggling with some classpath issues and basically this last task
is not finished
There in no likely that I will have a time to continue the work next few
days
(very busy at work :( ).
So as both this version and old version are not working with Beta9 HEAD,
maybe while somebody
will be cleaning the code for this plugin can take a look at my code, and
what I wanted to add.
regards
Michal
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:10 PM
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > Jason,
> >
> > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release them
> > before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
>
> The plugins for the most part are effectively still part of maven so I
> consider them all one release for now so I bump them all. When anyone
> wants to start the initiative we will start moving the plugins out of
> the main repository.
>
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
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> > > Subject: cutting beta-9
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> > > Hello,
> > >
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> > I'm
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> > > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for beta-9.
> > >
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Re: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:19, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:10
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > Jason,
> > >
> > > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release
> them
> > > before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
> >
> > The plugins for the most part are effectively still part of maven so I
> > consider them all one release for now so I bump them all. When anyone
> > wants to start the initiative we will start moving the plugins out of
> > the main repository.
>
> +1 but:
>
> 1/ where do we put the plugins (CVS directory structure)?
maven-plugins
> 2/ how are the plugins automatically downloaded by persons who downloads
> Maven core? What triggers a plugin download?
For the plugins themselves I was thinking explicit declaration would be
a good thing. So a maven-plugin type. This would work for projects as
well. The only difference being we would need hooks to do something
after the plugin was downloaded i.e. move it into the proper location.
> 3/ what is left in the Maven core? Does all the plugin-builds directory
> goes away?
Eventually I think that would be possible and preferable.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > > Subject: cutting beta-9
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know
> as
> > > I'm
> > > > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core
> developers
> > > > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for
> beta-9.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > jvz.
> > > >
> > > > Jason van Zyl
> > > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > > >
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> > > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> > > >
> > > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > > >
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Plugin Compatibility Information (was RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9))
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: 09 April 2003 15:48
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting
beta-9)
>
> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 09:23, Vincent Massol wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Break all existing plugins? I'm not sure what you mean exactly.
> > Michal's
> > > proposal includes a indicator which tells maven if a particular
type
> > of
> > > artifact is included in classpath creation. Do you have a specific
> > > plugin in mind you were thinking about?
> >
> > By "break", I mean they need to be rewritten. Here is one example
from
> > the eclipse plugin:
> >
> > <j:forEach var="lib" items="${pom.artifacts}">
> > <j:set var="eclipseDependency"
> >
> > value="${lib.dependency.getProperty('eclipse.dependency')}"/>
> > <j:choose>
> > <j:when test="${eclipseDependency == 'true'}">
> > <classpathentry kind="src"
> > path="/${lib.dependency.artifactId}"/>
> > </j:when>
> > <j:otherwise>
> > <classpathentry kind="var"
> > path="MAVEN_REPO${lib.urlPath}"/>
> > </j:otherwise>
> > </j:choose>
> > </j:forEach>
> >
> >
> > This means that the plugin jars will be included in the generated
> > eclipse .classpath file.
>
> I think Michal's proposal will certainly require some tweaks but I
don't
> think I would call it a rewrite i.e. in the above you would either
need
> to retrieve a list of artifacts that contribute to the classpath or do
> an additional check on the type of dependency it is.
>
> The dependency type has always been available and it certainly
wouldn't
> hurt to use that indicator in the code above. Then any other
> dependencies won't get included as there have been other dependency
> types for quite some time so you're not really protected against
> inclusion of those either.
>
> So the proposal would also allow for you to grab a set of source jar
> artifacts which I believe would also be a benefit for eclipse. Yes, a
> few changes will need to be made but I think the clean separation of
> dependency/artifact types is well worth it. But again, the type has
> always been available for use.
I agree with all of these. My English is not that good and when I said
"rewrite" I did not mean a full rewrite of the plugin; simply some
modifications :-)
In any case, I think this is a good solution (which will still break
some existing plugins which will need to be upgraded but that's ok).
This leads me to another question... :-) In the past, we were bundling
all the plugins in the maven release. Thus there were no need for a
maven user to verify if a given plugin was compatible with his version
of Maven. This won't be the case anymore.
Thus, I believe we need to add some information somewhere (XML file,
POM, etc) so that plugins can advertise what are their Maven
compatibilities. The plugin manager would also display this information
to the user.
So, question: where do we put this compatibility information?
Thanks
-Vincent
>
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > -Vincent
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 09:23, Vincent Massol wrote:
> >
> > Break all existing plugins? I'm not sure what you mean exactly.
> Michal's
> > proposal includes a indicator which tells maven if a particular type
> of
> > artifact is included in classpath creation. Do you have a specific
> > plugin in mind you were thinking about?
>
> By "break", I mean they need to be rewritten. Here is one example from
> the eclipse plugin:
>
> <j:forEach var="lib" items="${pom.artifacts}">
> <j:set var="eclipseDependency"
>
> value="${lib.dependency.getProperty('eclipse.dependency')}"/>
> <j:choose>
> <j:when test="${eclipseDependency == 'true'}">
> <classpathentry kind="src"
> path="/${lib.dependency.artifactId}"/>
> </j:when>
> <j:otherwise>
> <classpathentry kind="var"
> path="MAVEN_REPO${lib.urlPath}"/>
> </j:otherwise>
> </j:choose>
> </j:forEach>
>
>
> This means that the plugin jars will be included in the generated
> eclipse .classpath file.
I think Michal's proposal will certainly require some tweaks but I don't
think I would call it a rewrite i.e. in the above you would either need
to retrieve a list of artifacts that contribute to the classpath or do
an additional check on the type of dependency it is.
The dependency type has always been available and it certainly wouldn't
hurt to use that indicator in the code above. Then any other
dependencies won't get included as there have been other dependency
types for quite some time so you're not really protected against
inclusion of those either.
So the proposal would also allow for you to grab a set of source jar
artifacts which I believe would also be a benefit for eclipse. Yes, a
few changes will need to be made but I think the clean separation of
dependency/artifact types is well worth it. But again, the type has
always been available for use.
>
> [snip]
>
> -Vincent
>
>
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: 09 April 2003 15:00
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting
beta-9)
>
> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 02:55, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > Sent: 09 April 2003 00:44
> > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting
> > beta-9)
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > > 2/ How do persons who download Maven b9 are going to easily use
> > these
> > > > plugins that have been separated?
> > >
> > > Explicit dependency declarations so they will come down like other
> > > artifacts, and we we need some post hooks associated with
particular
> > > types of artifacts. An extension of Michal's plan that handled
these
> > > post hooks would certainly handle the movement of plugins to the
> > > appropriate directory.
> >
> > Here are some more thoughts on this subject:
> >
> > * Adding <dependency> elements for the plugins will break all
existing
> > plugins iterating over the list of dependencies. Do we rewrite all
the
> > plugins? Do we need to tag the plugin dependencies with <properties>
> > too?
>
> Break all existing plugins? I'm not sure what you mean exactly.
Michal's
> proposal includes a indicator which tells maven if a particular type
of
> artifact is included in classpath creation. Do you have a specific
> plugin in mind you were thinking about?
By "break", I mean they need to be rewritten. Here is one example from
the eclipse plugin:
<j:forEach var="lib" items="${pom.artifacts}">
<j:set var="eclipseDependency"
value="${lib.dependency.getProperty('eclipse.dependency')}"/>
<j:choose>
<j:when test="${eclipseDependency == 'true'}">
<classpathentry kind="src"
path="/${lib.dependency.artifactId}"/>
</j:when>
<j:otherwise>
<classpathentry kind="var"
path="MAVEN_REPO${lib.urlPath}"/>
</j:otherwise>
</j:choose>
</j:forEach>
This means that the plugin jars will be included in the generated
eclipse .classpath file.
[snip]
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 02:55, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > Sent: 09 April 2003 00:44
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting
> beta-9)
>
> [snip]
>
> > > 2/ How do persons who download Maven b9 are going to easily use
> these
> > > plugins that have been separated?
> >
> > Explicit dependency declarations so they will come down like other
> > artifacts, and we we need some post hooks associated with particular
> > types of artifacts. An extension of Michal's plan that handled these
> > post hooks would certainly handle the movement of plugins to the
> > appropriate directory.
>
> Here are some more thoughts on this subject:
>
> * Adding <dependency> elements for the plugins will break all existing
> plugins iterating over the list of dependencies. Do we rewrite all the
> plugins? Do we need to tag the plugin dependencies with <properties>
> too?
Break all existing plugins? I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Michal's
proposal includes a indicator which tells maven if a particular type of
artifact is included in classpath creation. Do you have a specific
plugin in mind you were thinking about?
> * As it will a major pain to list all the plugins used for every
> project, I think a nice solution would be to have a plugin dependency
> list in Maven core which gets added automatically to each project.xml.
> Thus this would allow the user to override the default plugin list (and
> versions) while not breaking existing project.xml.
+1
> * It is very hard for a Maven user to know the complete list of plugins
> available, their versions and what is contained in each version. I
> believe we will also need a Plugin Manager feature (same spirit as what
> exist in JEdit for example) that would automatically browse the
> repository for this information. It would be nice if the changes.xml
> file was automatically used to gather information about what's new in a
> given version of a plugin + extract the <description> from the plugin
> POM.
+1
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Quinton McCombs <qm...@nequalsone.com>.
> Here are some more thoughts on this subject:
>
> * Adding <dependency> elements for the plugins will break all
> existing plugins iterating over the list of dependencies. Do
> we rewrite all the plugins? Do we need to tag the plugin
> dependencies with <properties> too?
>
> * As it will a major pain to list all the plugins used for
> every project, I think a nice solution would be to have a
> plugin dependency list in Maven core which gets added
> automatically to each project.xml. Thus this would allow the
> user to override the default plugin list (and
> versions) while not breaking existing project.xml.
>
> * It is very hard for a Maven user to know the complete list
> of plugins available, their versions and what is contained in
> each version. I believe we will also need a Plugin Manager
> feature (same spirit as what exist in JEdit for example) that
> would automatically browse the repository for this
> information. It would be nice if the changes.xml file was
> automatically used to gather information about what's new in
> a given version of a plugin + extract the <description> from
> the plugin POM.
>
> Thoughts?
There are now atleast two places for plugins to be found. One will be
from Maven's site or the repository. The other is sourceforge. They
will propbabley be others to follow as Maven gets even more popular.
I would suggest that a plugin registry be created. This could exist in
the form of an XML file on the maven site. Maven clients could download
that XML file and easily parse it. This would allow people writing
plugins which are distributed though personal web sites or any other
means to still be located.
The XML file can be used to generate a nicely formatted list for the web
site as well.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: 09 April 2003 00:44
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting
beta-9)
[snip]
> > 2/ How do persons who download Maven b9 are going to easily use
these
> > plugins that have been separated?
>
> Explicit dependency declarations so they will come down like other
> artifacts, and we we need some post hooks associated with particular
> types of artifacts. An extension of Michal's plan that handled these
> post hooks would certainly handle the movement of plugins to the
> appropriate directory.
Here are some more thoughts on this subject:
* Adding <dependency> elements for the plugins will break all existing
plugins iterating over the list of dependencies. Do we rewrite all the
plugins? Do we need to tag the plugin dependencies with <properties>
too?
* As it will a major pain to list all the plugins used for every
project, I think a nice solution would be to have a plugin dependency
list in Maven core which gets added automatically to each project.xml.
Thus this would allow the user to override the default plugin list (and
versions) while not breaking existing project.xml.
* It is very hard for a Maven user to know the complete list of plugins
available, their versions and what is contained in each version. I
believe we will also need a Plugin Manager feature (same spirit as what
exist in JEdit for example) that would automatically browse the
repository for this information. It would be nice if the changes.xml
file was automatically used to gather information about what's new in a
given version of a plugin + extract the <description> from the plugin
POM.
Thoughts?
Thanks
-Vincent
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 18:03, Vincent Massol wrote:
>
> Can you please read my emails and try to answer to my questions? I've
> kept repeating that I have 2 questions but I've seen no answer:
I sent a message but it's not here yet it seems. I answered both of your
questions but here goes again.
> 1/ Is there any recommended location where to put the plugins in
> cvs.apache.org/maven?
cvs.apache.org/maven-plugins
> 2/ How do persons who download Maven b9 are going to easily use these
> plugins that have been separated?
Explicit dependency declarations so they will come down like other
artifacts, and we we need some post hooks associated with particular
types of artifacts. An extension of Michal's plan that handled these
post hooks would certainly handle the movement of plugins to the
appropriate directory.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: 08 April 2003 23:56
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting
beta-9)
>
> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:23, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > I think we should leave a few days for persons who want to cleanly
> > release their plugins before cutting the release. We should probably
> > call a feature freeze and leave some time for releasing all plugins.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> I do not want to couple the release of plugins to Maven itself.
>
> > If you leave me a few hours I can cleanly release the Cactus plugin
and
> > the Jboss one I've just added today.
> >
> > What do other think?
>
> Why don't you put them somewhere you can maintain them at your own
pace.
> You can be the first to start the separation.
Can you please read my emails and try to answer to my questions? I've
kept repeating that I have 2 questions but I've seen no answer:
1/ Is there any recommended location where to put the plugins in
cvs.apache.org/maven?
2/ How do persons who download Maven b9 are going to easily use these
plugins that have been separated?
Thanks
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:23, Vincent Massol wrote:
> I think we should leave a few days for persons who want to cleanly
> release their plugins before cutting the release. We should probably
> call a feature freeze and leave some time for releasing all plugins.
>
> What do you think?
I do not want to couple the release of plugins to Maven itself.
> If you leave me a few hours I can cleanly release the Cactus plugin and
> the Jboss one I've just added today.
>
> What do other think?
Why don't you put them somewhere you can maintain them at your own pace.
You can be the first to start the separation.
For now if you want a couple hours go ahead. After this release we can
start removing the plugins from the core because it needs to be done.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vincent Massol [mailto:vmassol@pivolis.com]
> > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:20
> > To: 'Maven Developers List'
> > Subject: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:10
> > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > > Jason,
> > > >
> > > > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release
> > them
> > > > before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
> > >
> > > The plugins for the most part are effectively still part of maven so
> I
> > > consider them all one release for now so I bump them all. When
> anyone
> > > wants to start the initiative we will start moving the plugins out
> of
> > > the main repository.
> >
> > +1 but:
> >
> > 1/ where do we put the plugins (CVS directory structure)?
> > 2/ how are the plugins automatically downloaded by persons who
> downloads
> > Maven core? What triggers a plugin download?
> > 3/ what is left in the Maven core? Does all the plugin-builds
> directory
> > goes away?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > > > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > > > Subject: cutting beta-9
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me
> know
> > as
> > > > I'm
> > > > > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core
> > developers
> > > > > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for
> > beta-9.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > jvz.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason van Zyl
> > > > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > > > >
> > > > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > > > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in
> it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
> > > Jason van Zyl
> > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > >
> > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> > >
> > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > >
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RE: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
I think we should leave a few days for persons who want to cleanly
release their plugins before cutting the release. We should probably
call a feature freeze and leave some time for releasing all plugins.
What do you think?
If you leave me a few hours I can cleanly release the Cactus plugin and
the Jboss one I've just added today.
What do other think?
Thanks
-Vincent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Massol [mailto:vmassol@pivolis.com]
> Sent: 08 April 2003 23:20
> To: 'Maven Developers List'
> Subject: Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:10
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > Jason,
> > >
> > > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release
> them
> > > before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
> >
> > The plugins for the most part are effectively still part of maven so
I
> > consider them all one release for now so I bump them all. When
anyone
> > wants to start the initiative we will start moving the plugins out
of
> > the main repository.
>
> +1 but:
>
> 1/ where do we put the plugins (CVS directory structure)?
> 2/ how are the plugins automatically downloaded by persons who
downloads
> Maven core? What triggers a plugin download?
> 3/ what is left in the Maven core? Does all the plugin-builds
directory
> goes away?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > > Subject: cutting beta-9
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me
know
> as
> > > I'm
> > > > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core
> developers
> > > > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for
> beta-9.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > jvz.
> > > >
> > > > Jason van Zyl
> > > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > > >
> > > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in
it.
> > > >
> > > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> > >
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> > --
> > jvz.
> >
> > Jason van Zyl
> > jason@zenplex.com
> > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> >
> > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> >
> > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> >
> >
> >
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Separating plugins from Maven core (was RE: cutting beta-9)
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: 08 April 2003 23:10
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: RE: cutting beta-9
>
> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > Jason,
> >
> > What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release
them
> > before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
>
> The plugins for the most part are effectively still part of maven so I
> consider them all one release for now so I bump them all. When anyone
> wants to start the initiative we will start moving the plugins out of
> the main repository.
+1 but:
1/ where do we put the plugins (CVS directory structure)?
2/ how are the plugins automatically downloaded by persons who downloads
Maven core? What triggers a plugin download?
3/ what is left in the Maven core? Does all the plugin-builds directory
goes away?
Thanks
-Vincent
>
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > > To: Maven Developers List
> > > Subject: cutting beta-9
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know
as
> > I'm
> > > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core
developers
> > > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for
beta-9.
> > >
> > > --
> > > jvz.
> > >
> > > Jason van Zyl
> > > jason@zenplex.com
> > > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> > >
> > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> > >
> > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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> --
> jvz.
>
> Jason van Zyl
> jason@zenplex.com
> http://tambora.zenplex.org
>
> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
>
> -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
>
>
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 17:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Jason,
>
> What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release them
> before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
The plugins for the most part are effectively still part of maven so I
consider them all one release for now so I bump them all. When anyone
wants to start the initiative we will start moving the plugins out of
the main repository.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> > Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: cutting beta-9
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know as
> I'm
> > about to start the release process. We have a trio of core developers
> > who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for beta-9.
> >
> > --
> > jvz.
> >
> > Jason van Zyl
> > jason@zenplex.com
> > http://tambora.zenplex.org
> >
> > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
> >
> > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
> >
> >
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RE: cutting beta-9
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
Jason,
What's the release process for the plugins? Do we have to release them
before the release or do they remain with -SNAPSHOT versions?
Thanks
-Vincent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@zenplex.com]
> Sent: 08 April 2003 23:00
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: cutting beta-9
>
> Hello,
>
> If anyone has any doco type changes they want to make let me know as
I'm
> about to start the release process. We have a trio of core developers
> who can bootstrap and generate sites so we're ready to go for beta-9.
>
> --
> jvz.
>
> Jason van Zyl
> jason@zenplex.com
> http://tambora.zenplex.org
>
> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
>
> -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
>
>
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