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Posted to dev@usergrid.apache.org by Dave <sn...@gmail.com> on 2015/07/15 19:50:32 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Sorry for the delayed response.
I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and now
that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly towards a
graduation vote.
- Dave
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <sh...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure who
> Alberto is
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs. Came
> up
> > > last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes based
> on
> > > IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> person
> > > who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be addressed
> in
> > > graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> > >
> >
> > Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
> does
> > not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's a
> case
> > of mistaken identity or what.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > > [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > > lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Folks,
> > >> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> > >> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> suitable
> > of
> > >> graduation.
> > >> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to ponder
> > >> over
> > >> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a decision
> > what
> > >> to do.
> > >> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see if
> UG
> > >> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Lewis
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> *Lewis*
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
This goes into it a little bit [1], but realistically its generally counted
as:
- Where are the committers coming from, company wise?
- Is there a robust enough PMC being voted in that allows for independence?
I believe some of the concerns have been because of recent issues in a few
TLPs where you ended up with too many active members being from a single
company, as a result the needs of that company were served before the needs
of the rest of the community. I tried explaining this, not too
successfully, to someone recently, trying to say that the ASF isn't here to
fill any specific company's needs and cannot be swayed to obeying the needs
of a company. What this really means is that the ASF isn't here to host
the source code and provide dev tools to Apigee, and likewise hopes that
they don't get TLPs that are solely Apigee employees.
This becomes more abundant when you look at the Yahoos, LinkedIns of the
world. They're not doing this for a profit on the software side, but the
same rules apply here.
[1]: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:59 PM Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> Can someone define “diversity”? In this context, I mean. I have not read
> other threads.
>
> --
> Rod Simpson
>
> On July 25, 2015 at 6:48:36 PM, Ed Anuff (ed@anuff.com) wrote:
>
> Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a draft,
> so need to see who actually wants it.
>
> I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and
> there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be useful
> to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see
> how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
>
> Ed
>
> > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 for Dave or Todd
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rod Simpson
> >
> > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >
> > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status was,
> > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to
> include
> >> all committers and their users (
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it
> has
> >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation.
> >>
> >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> >> - a charter for your project
> >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
> >>
> >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> >>
> >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person
> will
> >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
> >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of
> months,
> >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
> >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
> >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> >>
> >> So, for discussion:
> >>
> >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> >
> > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
> > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I think
> > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
> > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> >
> >
> >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> >
> > My nominations are:
> > - Dave
> > - Todd
> >
> >
> >>
> >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> >>>
> >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and
> now
> >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
> >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly
> towards
> >> a
> >>> graduation vote.
> >>>
> >>> - Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure
> >> who
> >>>> Alberto is
> >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org
> >>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> >> Came
> >>>> up
> >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> >>>> based on
> >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> >>>> person
> >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> >> addressed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
> >>>> does
> >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's
> a
> >>>> case
> >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> >>>> suitable
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> graduation.
> >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> >>>> ponder
> >>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> >> decision
> >>>>> what
> >>>>>>> to do.
> >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see
> >>>> if UG
> >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> Lewis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com>.
I agree that diversity in this sense seems like a high bar for new projects. You can’t make people become committers.
So I wonder: have we embraced the Apache way? Have we been helpful / encouraging for new users? Do we answer questions promptly? Have we made download/install/compile/run/write new code/submit said code instructions clear?
To me it seems that we have done a pretty good job with all of these things. We monitor this mailing list, we run a public chat room, we answer questions on Stack Overflow, and we even have a pretty significant Google group.
While there may be room for improvement, it seems to me that we have done a pretty decent job of making the project accessible to anyone who is interested.
Rod
--
Rod Simpson
On July 26, 2015 at 4:10:39 PM, Ed Anuff (ed@anuff.com) wrote:
The issue seems to come down to is diversity of committers not a
requirement, aspirational and highly encouraged, or a requirement? I think
many people would say that it's aspirational and highly encouraged but this
is hard to measure in terms of graduation criteria, so opinions are
clustering around it not being a requirement at all or it being a hard
requirement. For new projects, it does seem like a high bar to make it a
requirement. From the thread on the incubator list, it seems like we've
made good progress in comparison to other projects, but I think it would be
good to make sure we're prepared for the discussion to come up. It's also
clear from the recent threads that ideally the mentors are monitoring the
graduation discussion when it gets started to answer questions that come up.
Ed
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In this context, I think diversity means that the committers are from a
> variety of organizations and employers. Having this diversity helps to
> ensure that if one organization completely stops Usergrid development, the
> project still has enough people interested in contributing to carry on.
>
> For Usergrid, we have a diverse committer/PPMC list, but the majority of
> work is done by committers from one company. That is not ideal, but it is
> typical of new ASF projects. From my point of view, the whole point of
> being at the ASF is to build that diverse community -- and I think the
> Usergrid committers understand that. The incubator is just the start.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:59 PM Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
>
> > Can someone define “diversity”? In this context, I mean. I have not read
> > other threads.
> >
> > --
> > Rod Simpson
> >
> > On July 25, 2015 at 6:48:36 PM, Ed Anuff (ed@anuff.com) wrote:
> >
> > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a
> draft,
> > so need to see who actually wants it.
> >
> > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and
> > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be useful
> > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see
> > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rod Simpson
> > >
> > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com
> )
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status
> was,
> > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to
> > include
> > >> all committers and their users (
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it
> > has
> > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> graduation.
> > >>
> > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > >> - a charter for your project
> > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
> > >>
> > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > >>
> > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person
> > will
> > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
> > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of
> > months,
> > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
> > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
> > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > >>
> > >> So, for discussion:
> > >>
> > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > >
> > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
> > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I
> think
> > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
> > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> > >
> > >
> > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > >
> > > My nominations are:
> > > - Dave
> > > - Todd
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > >>>
> > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and
> > now
> > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to
> propose
> > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly
> > towards
> > >> a
> > >>> graduation vote.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not
> sure
> > >> who
> > >>>> Alberto is
> > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > johndament@apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> > >> Came
> > >>>> up
> > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> > >>>> based on
> > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> > >>>> person
> > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> > >> addressed
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER,
> he
> > >>>> does
> > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if
> it's
> > a
> > >>>> case
> > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> John
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> > >>>> suitable
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> > >>>> ponder
> > >>>>>>> over
> > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> > >> decision
> > >>>>> what
> > >>>>>>> to do.
> > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to
> see
> > >>>> if UG
> > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com>.
The issue seems to come down to is diversity of committers not a
requirement, aspirational and highly encouraged, or a requirement? I think
many people would say that it's aspirational and highly encouraged but this
is hard to measure in terms of graduation criteria, so opinions are
clustering around it not being a requirement at all or it being a hard
requirement. For new projects, it does seem like a high bar to make it a
requirement. From the thread on the incubator list, it seems like we've
made good progress in comparison to other projects, but I think it would be
good to make sure we're prepared for the discussion to come up. It's also
clear from the recent threads that ideally the mentors are monitoring the
graduation discussion when it gets started to answer questions that come up.
Ed
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In this context, I think diversity means that the committers are from a
> variety of organizations and employers. Having this diversity helps to
> ensure that if one organization completely stops Usergrid development, the
> project still has enough people interested in contributing to carry on.
>
> For Usergrid, we have a diverse committer/PPMC list, but the majority of
> work is done by committers from one company. That is not ideal, but it is
> typical of new ASF projects. From my point of view, the whole point of
> being at the ASF is to build that diverse community -- and I think the
> Usergrid committers understand that. The incubator is just the start.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:59 PM Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
>
> > Can someone define “diversity”? In this context, I mean. I have not read
> > other threads.
> >
> > --
> > Rod Simpson
> >
> > On July 25, 2015 at 6:48:36 PM, Ed Anuff (ed@anuff.com) wrote:
> >
> > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a
> draft,
> > so need to see who actually wants it.
> >
> > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and
> > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be useful
> > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see
> > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rod Simpson
> > >
> > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com
> )
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status
> was,
> > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to
> > include
> > >> all committers and their users (
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it
> > has
> > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> graduation.
> > >>
> > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > >> - a charter for your project
> > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
> > >>
> > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > >>
> > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person
> > will
> > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
> > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of
> > months,
> > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
> > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
> > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > >>
> > >> So, for discussion:
> > >>
> > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > >
> > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
> > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I
> think
> > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
> > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> > >
> > >
> > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > >
> > > My nominations are:
> > > - Dave
> > > - Todd
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > >>>
> > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and
> > now
> > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to
> propose
> > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly
> > towards
> > >> a
> > >>> graduation vote.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not
> sure
> > >> who
> > >>>> Alberto is
> > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > johndament@apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> > >> Came
> > >>>> up
> > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> > >>>> based on
> > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> > >>>> person
> > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> > >> addressed
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER,
> he
> > >>>> does
> > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if
> it's
> > a
> > >>>> case
> > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> John
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> > >>>> suitable
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> > >>>> ponder
> > >>>>>>> over
> > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> > >> decision
> > >>>>> what
> > >>>>>>> to do.
> > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to
> see
> > >>>> if UG
> > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Dave <sn...@gmail.com>.
In this context, I think diversity means that the committers are from a
variety of organizations and employers. Having this diversity helps to
ensure that if one organization completely stops Usergrid development, the
project still has enough people interested in contributing to carry on.
For Usergrid, we have a diverse committer/PPMC list, but the majority of
work is done by committers from one company. That is not ideal, but it is
typical of new ASF projects. From my point of view, the whole point of
being at the ASF is to build that diverse community -- and I think the
Usergrid committers understand that. The incubator is just the start.
Dave
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:59 PM Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> Can someone define “diversity”? In this context, I mean. I have not read
> other threads.
>
> --
> Rod Simpson
>
> On July 25, 2015 at 6:48:36 PM, Ed Anuff (ed@anuff.com) wrote:
>
> Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a draft,
> so need to see who actually wants it.
>
> I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and
> there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be useful
> to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see
> how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
>
> Ed
>
> > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 for Dave or Todd
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rod Simpson
> >
> > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >
> > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status was,
> > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to
> include
> >> all committers and their users (
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it
> has
> >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation.
> >>
> >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> >> - a charter for your project
> >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
> >>
> >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> >>
> >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person
> will
> >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
> >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of
> months,
> >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
> >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
> >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> >>
> >> So, for discussion:
> >>
> >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> >
> > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
> > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I think
> > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
> > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> >
> >
> >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> >
> > My nominations are:
> > - Dave
> > - Todd
> >
> >
> >>
> >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> >>>
> >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and
> now
> >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
> >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly
> towards
> >> a
> >>> graduation vote.
> >>>
> >>> - Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure
> >> who
> >>>> Alberto is
> >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org
> >>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> >> Came
> >>>> up
> >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> >>>> based on
> >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> >>>> person
> >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> >> addressed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
> >>>> does
> >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's
> a
> >>>> case
> >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> >>>> suitable
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> graduation.
> >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> >>>> ponder
> >>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> >> decision
> >>>>> what
> >>>>>>> to do.
> >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see
> >>>> if UG
> >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> Lewis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com>.
Can someone define “diversity”? In this context, I mean. I have not read other threads.
--
Rod Simpson
On July 25, 2015 at 6:48:36 PM, Ed Anuff (ed@anuff.com) wrote:
Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be useful to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
Ed
> On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dave or Todd
>
>
>
> --
> Rod Simpson
>
> On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status was,
> then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to include
>> all committers and their users (
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it has
>> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation.
>>
>> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>> - a charter for your project
>> - a positive community graduation VOTE
>> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
>> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
>> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
>>
>> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
>>
>> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
>> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person will
>> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
>> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of months,
>> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
>> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
>> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
>>
>> So, for discussion:
>>
>> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
>
> The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
> come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I think
> everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
>
>
>>
>> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
>> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
> Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
>
>
>> * Nominations for PMC chair?
>
> My nominations are:
> - Dave
> - Todd
>
>
>>
>> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delayed response.
>>>
>>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and now
>>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
>>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly towards
>> a
>>> graduation vote.
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <sh...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure
>> who
>>>> Alberto is
>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
>> Came
>>>> up
>>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
>>>> based on
>>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
>>>> person
>>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
>> addressed
>>>> in
>>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
>>>> does
>>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's a
>>>> case
>>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
>>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
>>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
>>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
>>>> suitable
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
>>>> ponder
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
>> decision
>>>>> what
>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see
>>>> if UG
>>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Lewis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Lewis*
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Sungju Jin <su...@softwaregeeks.org>.
+1 ;)
On Tuesday, August 4, 2015, Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Rod Simpson <rod@rodsimpson.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > huge +1
> >
> > --
> > Rod Simpson
> >
> > On August 3, 2015 at 10:12:27 AM, Dave (snoopdave@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>) wrote:
> >
> > Awesome!
> >
> > I think we should put Todd down as the PMC Chair and move ahead with the
> > gradation vote.
> >
> > Anybody opposed to that?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM Todd Nine <todd.nine@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey guys,
> > > Sorry for the delay, I've been on vacation in the mountains with no
> > > internet and no cell phone, it was great!
> > >
> > > I'll gladly volunteer for the Usergrid PMC Chair role. Dave has done a
> > > fantastic job leading us through the Apache process during incubation,
> > and
> > > I would like to assist in this process as the project matures. I feel
> > > taking this role on would be the next step in my Apache membership
> > > evolution.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:50 AM Dave <snoopdave@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:26 PM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
> <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If Todd's interested, we should hold a vote. We should probably
> hold
> > a
> > > > > vote regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can also plan to practice the common pattern of rolling PMC
> > chairs.
> > > > Its
> > > > > a boring job, but someone has to do it. By rotating periodically
> > (e.g.
> > > > > annually) we're keeping it a chore for a year only.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave <snoopdave@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm willing to serve as PMC Chair unless Todd wants this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Todd: please read up on this thread an respond so we can move
> ahead
> > > > with
> > > > > > graduation. This is the one about the PMC Chair:
> > > > > > http://markmail.org/message/u4njh6uxlgkafcws
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:48 PM Ed Anuff <ed@anuff.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's
> not
> > > a
> > > > > > > draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator
> > list
> > > > and
> > > > > > > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would
> > be
> > > > > > useful
> > > > > > > to review the recent commentary around other proposed
> graduations
> > > to
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <rod@rodsimpson.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Rod Simpson
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (
> > > > > john.d.ament@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> > > > > > )
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the
> > > status
> > > > > > was,
> > > > > > > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly
> > catching
> > > > > up).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <snoopdave@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Now that I have updated the project status page
> (usergrid.xml)
> > > to
> > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > >> all committers and their users (
> > > > > > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not
> > sure
> > > > why
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > > > > > > >> - a charter for your project
> > > > > > > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > > > > > > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > > > > > > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > > > > > > >> (link:
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
> > > > )
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the
> > > Project
> > > > > > > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid.
> This
> > > > > person
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project
> and
> > > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >> responsible for writing the project status report every
> couple
> > > of
> > > > > > > months,
> > > > > > > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when
> > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has
> no
> > > > > special
> > > > > > > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> So, for discussion:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough
> > > community.
> > > > > Its
> > > > > > > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make
> > sure.
> > > I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > > > > > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in
> > project?
> > > > (we
> > > > > > > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an
> > > > > account)
> > > > > > > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct
> > list
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the
> same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My nominations are:
> > > > > > > > - Dave
> > > > > > > > - Todd
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > > > >> Dave
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <snoopdave@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this
> > > discussion
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > now
> > > > > > > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are
> ready
> > to
> > > > > > propose
> > > > > > > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move
> > > quickly
> > > > > > > towards
> > > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > > >>> graduation vote.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> - Dave
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > > > > > > shawn.feldman@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not
> mistaken.
> > > Not
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > >> who
> > > > > > > >>>> Alberto is
> > > > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > > > johndament@apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > > > > johndament@apache.org <javascript:;>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with
> committer's
> > > > IDs.
> > > > > > > >> Came
> > > > > > > >>>> up
> > > > > > > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed
> some
> > > > fixes
> > > > > > > >>>> based on
> > > > > > > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one
> case
> > > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > >>>> person
> > > > > > > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can
> be
> > > > > > > >> addressed
> > > > > > > >>>> in
> > > > > > > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and
> > committers
> > > > > are.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index,
> > > > > HOWEVER,
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > >>>> does
> > > > > > > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not
> > sure
> > > if
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >>>> case
> > > > > > > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> John
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > > > > > > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > > > > > > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a
> > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven
> > > > itself
> > > > > > > >>>> suitable
> > > > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while
> for
> > > us
> > > > to
> > > > > > > >>>> ponder
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> over
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can
> > make a
> > > > > > > >> decision
> > > > > > > >>>>> what
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to do.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on
> > VOTE'ing
> > > > to
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > > >>>> if UG
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than
> > > > successful).
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Sungju Jin
- Hacker, Apache Usergrid PPMC, ApacheCon & OSCON Speaker
- Twitter : http://twitter.com/geekbeast
- Blog : http://softwaregeeks.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com>.
+1
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> huge +1
>
> --
> Rod Simpson
>
> On August 3, 2015 at 10:12:27 AM, Dave (snoopdave@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Awesome!
>
> I think we should put Todd down as the PMC Chair and move ahead with the
> gradation vote.
>
> Anybody opposed to that?
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM Todd Nine <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey guys,
> > Sorry for the delay, I've been on vacation in the mountains with no
> > internet and no cell phone, it was great!
> >
> > I'll gladly volunteer for the Usergrid PMC Chair role. Dave has done a
> > fantastic job leading us through the Apache process during incubation,
> and
> > I would like to assist in this process as the project matures. I feel
> > taking this role on would be the next step in my Apache membership
> > evolution.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:50 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:26 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > If Todd's interested, we should hold a vote. We should probably hold
> a
> > > > vote regardless.
> > > >
> > > > We can also plan to practice the common pattern of rolling PMC
> chairs.
> > > Its
> > > > a boring job, but someone has to do it. By rotating periodically
> (e.g.
> > > > annually) we're keeping it a chore for a year only.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm willing to serve as PMC Chair unless Todd wants this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd: please read up on this thread an respond so we can move ahead
> > > with
> > > > > graduation. This is the one about the PMC Chair:
> > > > > http://markmail.org/message/u4njh6uxlgkafcws
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:48 PM Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not
> > a
> > > > > > draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator
> list
> > > and
> > > > > > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would
> be
> > > > > useful
> > > > > > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations
> > to
> > > > see
> > > > > > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Rod Simpson
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (
> > > > john.d.ament@gmail.com
> > > > > )
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the
> > status
> > > > > was,
> > > > > > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly
> catching
> > > > up).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml)
> > to
> > > > > > include
> > > > > > >> all committers and their users (
> > > > > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not
> sure
> > > why
> > > > it
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > > > > > >> - a charter for your project
> > > > > > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > > > > > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > > > > > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > > > > > >> (link:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
> > > )
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the
> > Project
> > > > > > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This
> > > > person
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple
> > of
> > > > > > months,
> > > > > > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when
> > > > appropriate
> > > > > > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no
> > > > special
> > > > > > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> So, for discussion:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough
> > community.
> > > > Its
> > > > > > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make
> sure.
> > I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > > > > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in
> project?
> > > (we
> > > > > > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an
> > > > account)
> > > > > > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct
> list
> > > of
> > > > > > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My nominations are:
> > > > > > > - Dave
> > > > > > > - Todd
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > > >> Dave
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this
> > discussion
> > > > and
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready
> to
> > > > > propose
> > > > > > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move
> > quickly
> > > > > > towards
> > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > >>> graduation vote.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> - Dave
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > > > > > shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken.
> > Not
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > >> who
> > > > > > >>>> Alberto is
> > > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > > johndament@apache.org>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > > > johndament@apache.org
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's
> > > IDs.
> > > > > > >> Came
> > > > > > >>>> up
> > > > > > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some
> > > fixes
> > > > > > >>>> based on
> > > > > > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case
> > > with
> > > > a
> > > > > > >>>> person
> > > > > > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> > > > > > >> addressed
> > > > > > >>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and
> committers
> > > > are.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index,
> > > > HOWEVER,
> > > > > he
> > > > > > >>>> does
> > > > > > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not
> sure
> > if
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > >>>> case
> > > > > > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> John
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > > > > > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > > > > > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a
> > > > graduation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven
> > > itself
> > > > > > >>>> suitable
> > > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for
> > us
> > > to
> > > > > > >>>> ponder
> > > > > > >>>>>>> over
> > > > > > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can
> make a
> > > > > > >> decision
> > > > > > >>>>> what
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to do.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on
> VOTE'ing
> > > to
> > > > > see
> > > > > > >>>> if UG
> > > > > > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than
> > > successful).
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com>.
huge +1
--
Rod Simpson
On August 3, 2015 at 10:12:27 AM, Dave (snoopdave@gmail.com) wrote:
Awesome!
I think we should put Todd down as the PMC Chair and move ahead with the
gradation vote.
Anybody opposed to that?
Dave
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM Todd Nine <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Sorry for the delay, I've been on vacation in the mountains with no
> internet and no cell phone, it was great!
>
> I'll gladly volunteer for the Usergrid PMC Chair role. Dave has done a
> fantastic job leading us through the Apache process during incubation, and
> I would like to assist in this process as the project matures. I feel
> taking this role on would be the next step in my Apache membership
> evolution.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Todd
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:50 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:26 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If Todd's interested, we should hold a vote. We should probably hold a
> > > vote regardless.
> > >
> > > We can also plan to practice the common pattern of rolling PMC chairs.
> > Its
> > > a boring job, but someone has to do it. By rotating periodically (e.g.
> > > annually) we're keeping it a chore for a year only.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm willing to serve as PMC Chair unless Todd wants this.
> > > >
> > > > Todd: please read up on this thread an respond so we can move ahead
> > with
> > > > graduation. This is the one about the PMC Chair:
> > > > http://markmail.org/message/u4njh6uxlgkafcws
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:48 PM Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not
> a
> > > > > draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list
> > and
> > > > > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be
> > > > useful
> > > > > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations
> to
> > > see
> > > > > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rod Simpson
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (
> > > john.d.ament@gmail.com
> > > > )
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the
> status
> > > > was,
> > > > > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching
> > > up).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml)
> to
> > > > > include
> > > > > >> all committers and their users (
> > > > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure
> > why
> > > it
> > > > > has
> > > > > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> > > > graduation.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > > > > >> - a charter for your project
> > > > > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > > > > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > > > > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > > > > >> (link:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
> > )
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the
> Project
> > > > > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This
> > > person
> > > > > will
> > > > > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple
> of
> > > > > months,
> > > > > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when
> > > appropriate
> > > > > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no
> > > special
> > > > > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So, for discussion:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough
> community.
> > > Its
> > > > > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure.
> I
> > > > think
> > > > > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > > > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project?
> > (we
> > > > > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an
> > > account)
> > > > > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list
> > of
> > > > > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My nominations are:
> > > > > > - Dave
> > > > > > - Todd
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >> Dave
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this
> discussion
> > > and
> > > > > now
> > > > > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to
> > > > propose
> > > > > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move
> quickly
> > > > > towards
> > > > > >> a
> > > > > >>> graduation vote.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> - Dave
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > > > > shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken.
> Not
> > > > sure
> > > > > >> who
> > > > > >>>> Alberto is
> > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > johndament@apache.org>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > > johndament@apache.org
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's
> > IDs.
> > > > > >> Came
> > > > > >>>> up
> > > > > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some
> > fixes
> > > > > >>>> based on
> > > > > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case
> > with
> > > a
> > > > > >>>> person
> > > > > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> > > > > >> addressed
> > > > > >>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers
> > > are.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index,
> > > HOWEVER,
> > > > he
> > > > > >>>> does
> > > > > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure
> if
> > > > it's
> > > > > a
> > > > > >>>> case
> > > > > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> John
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > > > > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > > > > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > > > > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a
> > > graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven
> > itself
> > > > > >>>> suitable
> > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for
> us
> > to
> > > > > >>>> ponder
> > > > > >>>>>>> over
> > > > > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> > > > > >> decision
> > > > > >>>>> what
> > > > > >>>>>>> to do.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing
> > to
> > > > see
> > > > > >>>> if UG
> > > > > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than
> > successful).
> > > > > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > > > > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Dave <sn...@gmail.com>.
Awesome!
I think we should put Todd down as the PMC Chair and move ahead with the
gradation vote.
Anybody opposed to that?
Dave
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM Todd Nine <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Sorry for the delay, I've been on vacation in the mountains with no
> internet and no cell phone, it was great!
>
> I'll gladly volunteer for the Usergrid PMC Chair role. Dave has done a
> fantastic job leading us through the Apache process during incubation, and
> I would like to assist in this process as the project matures. I feel
> taking this role on would be the next step in my Apache membership
> evolution.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Todd
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:50 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:26 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If Todd's interested, we should hold a vote. We should probably hold a
> > > vote regardless.
> > >
> > > We can also plan to practice the common pattern of rolling PMC chairs.
> > Its
> > > a boring job, but someone has to do it. By rotating periodically (e.g.
> > > annually) we're keeping it a chore for a year only.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm willing to serve as PMC Chair unless Todd wants this.
> > > >
> > > > Todd: please read up on this thread an respond so we can move ahead
> > with
> > > > graduation. This is the one about the PMC Chair:
> > > > http://markmail.org/message/u4njh6uxlgkafcws
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:48 PM Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not
> a
> > > > > draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list
> > and
> > > > > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be
> > > > useful
> > > > > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations
> to
> > > see
> > > > > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rod Simpson
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (
> > > john.d.ament@gmail.com
> > > > )
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the
> status
> > > > was,
> > > > > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching
> > > up).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml)
> to
> > > > > include
> > > > > >> all committers and their users (
> > > > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure
> > why
> > > it
> > > > > has
> > > > > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> > > > graduation.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > > > > >> - a charter for your project
> > > > > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > > > > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > > > > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > > > > >> (link:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
> > )
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the
> Project
> > > > > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This
> > > person
> > > > > will
> > > > > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple
> of
> > > > > months,
> > > > > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when
> > > appropriate
> > > > > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no
> > > special
> > > > > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So, for discussion:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough
> community.
> > > Its
> > > > > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure.
> I
> > > > think
> > > > > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > > > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project?
> > (we
> > > > > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an
> > > account)
> > > > > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list
> > of
> > > > > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My nominations are:
> > > > > > - Dave
> > > > > > - Todd
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >> Dave
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this
> discussion
> > > and
> > > > > now
> > > > > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to
> > > > propose
> > > > > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move
> quickly
> > > > > towards
> > > > > >> a
> > > > > >>> graduation vote.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> - Dave
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > > > > shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken.
> Not
> > > > sure
> > > > > >> who
> > > > > >>>> Alberto is
> > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > johndament@apache.org>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > > johndament@apache.org
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's
> > IDs.
> > > > > >> Came
> > > > > >>>> up
> > > > > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some
> > fixes
> > > > > >>>> based on
> > > > > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case
> > with
> > > a
> > > > > >>>> person
> > > > > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> > > > > >> addressed
> > > > > >>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers
> > > are.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index,
> > > HOWEVER,
> > > > he
> > > > > >>>> does
> > > > > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure
> if
> > > > it's
> > > > > a
> > > > > >>>> case
> > > > > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> John
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > > > > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > > > > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > > > > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a
> > > graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven
> > itself
> > > > > >>>> suitable
> > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for
> us
> > to
> > > > > >>>> ponder
> > > > > >>>>>>> over
> > > > > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> > > > > >> decision
> > > > > >>>>> what
> > > > > >>>>>>> to do.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing
> > to
> > > > see
> > > > > >>>> if UG
> > > > > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than
> > successful).
> > > > > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > > > > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Todd Nine <to...@gmail.com>.
Hey guys,
Sorry for the delay, I've been on vacation in the mountains with no
internet and no cell phone, it was great!
I'll gladly volunteer for the Usergrid PMC Chair role. Dave has done a
fantastic job leading us through the Apache process during incubation, and
I would like to assist in this process as the project matures. I feel
taking this role on would be the next step in my Apache membership
evolution.
Thoughts?
Todd
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:50 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:26 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > If Todd's interested, we should hold a vote. We should probably hold a
> > vote regardless.
> >
> > We can also plan to practice the common pattern of rolling PMC chairs.
> Its
> > a boring job, but someone has to do it. By rotating periodically (e.g.
> > annually) we're keeping it a chore for a year only.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm willing to serve as PMC Chair unless Todd wants this.
> > >
> > > Todd: please read up on this thread an respond so we can move ahead
> with
> > > graduation. This is the one about the PMC Chair:
> > > http://markmail.org/message/u4njh6uxlgkafcws
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:48 PM Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a
> > > > draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
> > > >
> > > > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list
> and
> > > > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be
> > > useful
> > > > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to
> > see
> > > > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rod Simpson
> > > > >
> > > > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (
> > john.d.ament@gmail.com
> > > )
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status
> > > was,
> > > > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching
> > up).
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to
> > > > include
> > > > >> all committers and their users (
> > > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure
> why
> > it
> > > > has
> > > > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> > > graduation.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > > > >> - a charter for your project
> > > > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > > > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > > > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > > > >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
> )
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > > > >>
> > > > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> > > > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This
> > person
> > > > will
> > > > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and
> will
> > be
> > > > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of
> > > > months,
> > > > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when
> > appropriate
> > > > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no
> > special
> > > > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So, for discussion:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > > > >
> > > > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community.
> > Its
> > > > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I
> > > think
> > > > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project?
> (we
> > > > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an
> > account)
> > > > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list
> of
> > > > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > > > >
> > > > > My nominations are:
> > > > > - Dave
> > > > > - Todd
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >> Dave
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion
> > and
> > > > now
> > > > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to
> > > propose
> > > > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly
> > > > towards
> > > > >> a
> > > > >>> graduation vote.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - Dave
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > > > shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not
> > > sure
> > > > >> who
> > > > >>>> Alberto is
> > > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> > > johndament@apache.org>
> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > > > johndament@apache.org
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's
> IDs.
> > > > >> Came
> > > > >>>> up
> > > > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some
> fixes
> > > > >>>> based on
> > > > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case
> with
> > a
> > > > >>>> person
> > > > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> > > > >> addressed
> > > > >>>> in
> > > > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers
> > are.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index,
> > HOWEVER,
> > > he
> > > > >>>> does
> > > > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if
> > > it's
> > > > a
> > > > >>>> case
> > > > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> John
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > > > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > > > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > > > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a
> > graduation.
> > > > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven
> itself
> > > > >>>> suitable
> > > > >>>>> of
> > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us
> to
> > > > >>>> ponder
> > > > >>>>>>> over
> > > > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> > > > >> decision
> > > > >>>>> what
> > > > >>>>>>> to do.
> > > > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing
> to
> > > see
> > > > >>>> if UG
> > > > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than
> successful).
> > > > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > > > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Dave <sn...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:26 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> If Todd's interested, we should hold a vote. We should probably hold a
> vote regardless.
>
> We can also plan to practice the common pattern of rolling PMC chairs. Its
> a boring job, but someone has to do it. By rotating periodically (e.g.
> annually) we're keeping it a chore for a year only.
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm willing to serve as PMC Chair unless Todd wants this.
> >
> > Todd: please read up on this thread an respond so we can move ahead with
> > graduation. This is the one about the PMC Chair:
> > http://markmail.org/message/u4njh6uxlgkafcws
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:48 PM Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a
> > > draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
> > >
> > > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and
> > > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be
> > useful
> > > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to
> see
> > > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rod Simpson
> > > >
> > > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (
> john.d.ament@gmail.com
> > )
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status
> > was,
> > > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching
> up).
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to
> > > include
> > > >> all committers and their users (
> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why
> it
> > > has
> > > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> > graduation.
> > > >>
> > > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > > >> - a charter for your project
> > > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > > >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
> > > >>
> > > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > > >>
> > > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> > > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This
> person
> > > will
> > > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will
> be
> > > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of
> > > months,
> > > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when
> appropriate
> > > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no
> special
> > > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, for discussion:
> > > >>
> > > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > > >
> > > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community.
> Its
> > > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I
> > think
> > > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> > > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an
> account)
> > > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> > > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > > >
> > > > My nominations are:
> > > > - Dave
> > > > - Todd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Dave
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion
> and
> > > now
> > > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to
> > propose
> > > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly
> > > towards
> > > >> a
> > > >>> graduation vote.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - Dave
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > > shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not
> > sure
> > > >> who
> > > >>>> Alberto is
> > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> > johndament@apache.org>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > > johndament@apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> > > >> Came
> > > >>>> up
> > > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> > > >>>> based on
> > > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with
> a
> > > >>>> person
> > > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> > > >> addressed
> > > >>>> in
> > > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers
> are.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index,
> HOWEVER,
> > he
> > > >>>> does
> > > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if
> > it's
> > > a
> > > >>>> case
> > > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> John
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a
> graduation.
> > > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> > > >>>> suitable
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> > > >>>> ponder
> > > >>>>>>> over
> > > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> > > >> decision
> > > >>>>> what
> > > >>>>>>> to do.
> > > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to
> > see
> > > >>>> if UG
> > > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> > > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
If Todd's interested, we should hold a vote. We should probably hold a
vote regardless.
We can also plan to practice the common pattern of rolling PMC chairs. Its
a boring job, but someone has to do it. By rotating periodically (e.g.
annually) we're keeping it a chore for a year only.
John
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm willing to serve as PMC Chair unless Todd wants this.
>
> Todd: please read up on this thread an respond so we can move ahead with
> graduation. This is the one about the PMC Chair:
> http://markmail.org/message/u4njh6uxlgkafcws
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:48 PM Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com> wrote:
>
> > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a
> > draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
> >
> > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and
> > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be
> useful
> > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see
> > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 for Dave or Todd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rod Simpson
> > >
> > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com
> )
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status
> was,
> > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to
> > include
> > >> all committers and their users (
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it
> > has
> > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with
> graduation.
> > >>
> > >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> > >> - a charter for your project
> > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> > >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
> > >>
> > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> > >>
> > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person
> > will
> > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
> > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of
> > months,
> > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
> > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
> > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> > >>
> > >> So, for discussion:
> > >>
> > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> > >
> > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
> > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I
> think
> > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
> > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> > >
> > >
> > >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> > >
> > > My nominations are:
> > > - Dave
> > > - Todd
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> > >>>
> > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and
> > now
> > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to
> propose
> > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly
> > towards
> > >> a
> > >>> graduation vote.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> > shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not
> sure
> > >> who
> > >>>> Alberto is
> > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> > johndament@apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> > >> Came
> > >>>> up
> > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> > >>>> based on
> > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> > >>>> person
> > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> > >> addressed
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER,
> he
> > >>>> does
> > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if
> it's
> > a
> > >>>> case
> > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> John
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> > >>>> suitable
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> > >>>> ponder
> > >>>>>>> over
> > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> > >> decision
> > >>>>> what
> > >>>>>>> to do.
> > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to
> see
> > >>>> if UG
> > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>>>> Lewis
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> > >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Dave <sn...@gmail.com>.
I'm willing to serve as PMC Chair unless Todd wants this.
Todd: please read up on this thread an respond so we can move ahead with
graduation. This is the one about the PMC Chair:
http://markmail.org/message/u4njh6uxlgkafcws
Dave
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:48 PM Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com> wrote:
> Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a
> draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
>
> I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and
> there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be useful
> to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see
> how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
>
> Ed
>
> > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 for Dave or Todd
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rod Simpson
> >
> > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >
> > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status was,
> > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to
> include
> >> all committers and their users (
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it
> has
> >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation.
> >>
> >> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> >> - a charter for your project
> >> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
> >>
> >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
> >>
> >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person
> will
> >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
> >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of
> months,
> >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
> >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
> >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
> >>
> >> So, for discussion:
> >>
> >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
> >
> > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
> > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I think
> > everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
> > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> >
> >
> >> * Nominations for PMC chair?
> >
> > My nominations are:
> > - Dave
> > - Todd
> >
> >
> >>
> >> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the delayed response.
> >>>
> >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and
> now
> >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
> >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly
> towards
> >> a
> >>> graduation vote.
> >>>
> >>> - Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <
> shawn.feldman@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure
> >> who
> >>>> Alberto is
> >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org
> >>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> >> Came
> >>>> up
> >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> >>>> based on
> >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> >>>> person
> >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> >> addressed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
> >>>> does
> >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's
> a
> >>>> case
> >>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> >>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> >>>> suitable
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> graduation.
> >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> >>>> ponder
> >>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> >> decision
> >>>>> what
> >>>>>>> to do.
> >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see
> >>>> if UG
> >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> Lewis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> *Lewis*
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Ed Anuff <ed...@anuff.com>.
Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a draft, so need to see who actually wants it.
I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be useful to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues.
Ed
> On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dave or Todd
>
>
>
> --
> Rod Simpson
>
> On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status was,
> then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to include
>> all committers and their users (
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it has
>> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation.
>>
>> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>> - a charter for your project
>> - a positive community graduation VOTE
>> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
>> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
>> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
>>
>> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
>>
>> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
>> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person will
>> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
>> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of months,
>> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
>> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
>> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
>>
>> So, for discussion:
>>
>> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
>
> The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
> come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I think
> everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
>
>
>>
>> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
> * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
>> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
> Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
> PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
>
>
>> * Nominations for PMC chair?
>
> My nominations are:
> - Dave
> - Todd
>
>
>>
>> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delayed response.
>>>
>>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and now
>>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
>>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly towards
>> a
>>> graduation vote.
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <sh...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure
>> who
>>>> Alberto is
>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
>> Came
>>>> up
>>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
>>>> based on
>>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
>>>> person
>>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
>> addressed
>>>> in
>>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
>>>> does
>>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's a
>>>> case
>>>>> of mistaken identity or what.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
>>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
>>>>>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
>>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
>>>> suitable
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
>>>> ponder
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
>> decision
>>>>> what
>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see
>>>> if UG
>>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Lewis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Lewis*
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Rod Simpson <ro...@rodsimpson.com>.
+1 for Dave or Todd
--
Rod Simpson
On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.ament@gmail.com) wrote:
A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status was,
then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to include
> all committers and their users (
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it has
> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation.
>
> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> - a charter for your project
> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
>
> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
>
> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person will
> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of months,
> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
>
> So, for discussion:
>
> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
>
The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I think
everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
>
> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
>
* Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
>
>
Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> * Nominations for PMC chair?
>
My nominations are:
- Dave
- Todd
>
> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the delayed response.
> >
> > I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and now
> > that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
> > graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly towards
> a
> > graduation vote.
> >
> > - Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <sh...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure
> who
> >> Alberto is
> >> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> Came
> >> up
> >> > > last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> >> based on
> >> > > IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> >> person
> >> > > who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> addressed
> >> in
> >> > > graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
> >> does
> >> > not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's a
> >> case
> >> > of mistaken identity or what.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> >> > >
> >> > > John
> >> > >
> >> > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> >> > > [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> >> > > lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hi Folks,
> >> > >> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> >> > >> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> >> suitable
> >> > of
> >> > >> graduation.
> >> > >> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> >> ponder
> >> > >> over
> >> > >> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> decision
> >> > what
> >> > >> to do.
> >> > >> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see
> >> if UG
> >> > >> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> >> > >> Thanks
> >> > >> Lewis
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> *Lewis*
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status was,
then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up).
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to include
> all committers and their users (
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it has
> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation.
>
> Graduation to a top level project requires:
> - a charter for your project
> - a positive community graduation VOTE
> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
>
> I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
>
> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person will
> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of months,
> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
>
> So, for discussion:
>
> * Are we really truly ready to gradate?
>
The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its
come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I think
everything else has been resolved, so we're good.
>
> * What else do we need to do before we graduate?
>
* Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
>
>
Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of
PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same.
> * Nominations for PMC chair?
>
My nominations are:
- Dave
- Todd
>
> * Any other concerns? Mentors?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the delayed response.
> >
> > I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and now
> > that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
> > graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly towards
> a
> > graduation vote.
> >
> > - Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <sh...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure
> who
> >> Alberto is
> >> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs.
> Came
> >> up
> >> > > last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
> >> based on
> >> > > IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
> >> person
> >> > > who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be
> addressed
> >> in
> >> > > graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
> >> does
> >> > not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's a
> >> case
> >> > of mistaken identity or what.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
> >> > >
> >> > > John
> >> > >
> >> > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
> >> > > [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> >> > > lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hi Folks,
> >> > >> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
> >> > >> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
> >> suitable
> >> > of
> >> > >> graduation.
> >> > >> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
> >> ponder
> >> > >> over
> >> > >> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a
> decision
> >> > what
> >> > >> to do.
> >> > >> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see
> >> if UG
> >> > >> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
> >> > >> Thanks
> >> > >> Lewis
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> *Lewis*
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Propose Usergrid for Graduation
Posted by Dave <sn...@gmail.com>.
Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to include
all committers and their users (
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it has
not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation.
Graduation to a top level project requires:
- a charter for your project
- a positive community graduation VOTE
- a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
- the acceptance of the resolution by the Board
(link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process)
I have put together a DRAFT charter here:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt
To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project
Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person will
be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be
responsible for writing the project status report every couple of months,
ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate
raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special
authority to make technical decisions or direct the project.
So, for discussion:
* Are we really truly ready to gradate?
* What else do we need to do before we graduate?
* Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we
haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account)
* Nominations for PMC chair?
* Any other concerns? Mentors?
Thanks,
Dave
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the delayed response.
>
> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and now
> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose
> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly towards a
> graduation vote.
>
> - Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman <sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure who
>> Alberto is
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs. Came
>> up
>> > > last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes
>> based on
>> > > IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a
>> person
>> > > who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be addressed
>> in
>> > > graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he
>> does
>> > not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's a
>> case
>> > of mistaken identity or what.
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate.
>> > >
>> > > John
>> > >
>> > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html
>> > > [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney <
>> > > lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi Folks,
>> > >> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation.
>> > >> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself
>> suitable
>> > of
>> > >> graduation.
>> > >> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to
>> ponder
>> > >> over
>> > >> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a decision
>> > what
>> > >> to do.
>> > >> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see
>> if UG
>> > >> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful).
>> > >> Thanks
>> > >> Lewis
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> *Lewis*
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>>
>