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Forrest Batik web site
Howdy folks,
I have a 'first draft' of a Forrest-based Batik web site[1] in my
user folder. I've taken the liberty to play around with navigation
order a bit, so feel free to tell me to un-re-order items. If you'd
like, we can even place some items into folders (dev/, docs/, etc.).
I do have a couple of -FIXME items, but they're for pages that are
missing on the LIVE site as well... supportedElements.html[2] and
supporteedProperties.html[3] linked from the status.html page[4]. In
addition, the svgdom.html page (also on status.html) is currently a
straight html file passed through (I got lazy and didn't want to go
through the trouble to fix that behemoth right now...).
Enjoy!
[1]
http://people.apache.org/~clay/batik/
[2]
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/supportedElements.html
[3]
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/supportedProperties.html
[4]
http://people.apache.org/~clay/batik/status.html
Web Maestro Clay
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Clay Leeds <we...@mac.com>.
On May 7, 2006, at 6:43 AM, thomas.deweese@kodak.com wrote:
> Hi Cameron,
>
>> Thomas DeWeese:
>>> It took me a while to find the 'examples' section perhaps
>>> move to
>>> the tab bar?
>>> Can it move towards the top of the TOC list? Perhaps rename it to
>>> 'Development Examples'.
>
> Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au> wrote on 05/07/2006 07:31:44 AM:
>
>> The "Examples of projects and products using Batik"? In my copy I've
>> got a separate page for that, in a "Resources" section of the main
>> tab.
>
> No I ment all the example code on how to use the transcoders and
> canvas, and what not. It's currently under an expander tab titled
> Batik Development in Clay's version.
Yeah, one of the things I don't like about Forrest is that JavaScript
collapses all of those tabs by default. If JavaScript is off, they
don't get collapsed. I once wrote code to make that JavaScript
optional (so it's not too tough), but that was years ago.
BTW, I did need to make a few changes here and there to get the pages
to validate. For example, on the FAQs page I had to add values to the
@id attributes to get the pages to render. I also made a few other
changes to the FAQ, creating more 'sections' than just a 'general
issues' section, and re-ordering a bit to make the classifications
correct. That will require more attention, as I was trying to work
quickly and likely haven't moved a few sections...
I also disabled those bad links on the Status page for
supportedElements.html & supportedProperties.html (two files which do
not exist even on the live site). I also moved some of the navigation
links for classification purposes, but that's pretty much it.
Aside from a bunch of changes to various files to get them to
validate to document-10.dtd (removing <br/> tags from <code>, etc.)
as far as file 'content' goes, that's the extent of code changes.
Clay Leeds
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by th...@kodak.com.
Hi Cameron,
> Thomas DeWeese:
> > It took me a while to find the 'examples' section perhaps move to
the
> > tab bar?
> > Can it move towards the top of the TOC list? Perhaps rename it to
> > 'Development Examples'.
Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au> wrote on 05/07/2006 07:31:44 AM:
> The "Examples of projects and products using Batik"? In my copy I've
> got a separate page for that, in a "Resources" section of the main tab.
No I ment all the example code on how to use the transcoders and
canvas, and what not. It's currently under an expander tab titled
Batik Development in Clay's version.
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au>.
Thomas DeWeese:
> For the title bar I think the 'Batik 1.6' graphic from the current
> index page would be
> better (but I think Cameron may be working on a better 'logo').
Ok.
> Also I would get rid of the 'News' page (obviously we don't keep it up
> to date).
Agreed, but it would be nice to have news on there. Maybe once the new
site is up when can endeavour to post updates on current work.
> It took me a while to find the 'examples' section perhaps move to the
> tab bar?
> Can it move towards the top of the TOC list? Perhaps rename it to
> 'Development Examples'.
The "Examples of projects and products using Batik"? In my copy I've
got a separate page for that, in a "Resources" section of the main tab.
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>.
Yes, it does. We're making use of that in the FOP website.
On 07.05.2006 08:36:04 Cameron McCormack wrote:
> Web Maestro Clay:
> > This is accessed from /install.html. As far as I can see, I have the
> > image in the proper location. In any case, I've manually placed it in
> > the images/directory, so it's active and displaying properly. Also,
> > the only major change I recall making is to rename the file
> > 'demo.html' to toolsandapps.html, because there is another file
> > called batikDemo.html which is just confusing. We'd have to place a
> > re-direct for that one page.
>
> Does the apache installation honour redirects stuck in .htaccesses?
> Since I want to re-organise the files quite a bit (into directories and
> so on), I'd like to keep old links into the site working.
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au>.
Web Maestro Clay:
> This is accessed from /install.html. As far as I can see, I have the
> image in the proper location. In any case, I've manually placed it in
> the images/directory, so it's active and displaying properly. Also,
> the only major change I recall making is to rename the file
> 'demo.html' to toolsandapps.html, because there is another file
> called batikDemo.html which is just confusing. We'd have to place a
> re-direct for that one page.
Does the apache installation honour redirects stuck in .htaccesses?
Since I want to re-organise the files quite a bit (into directories and
so on), I'd like to keep old links into the site working.
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Web Maestro Clay <th...@gmail.com>.
On May 6, 2006, at 11:28 PM, Clay Leeds wrote:
> BTW, each page currently has a TOC auto-generated plus a friendlier
> hand-crafted 'TOC' (which I like better than the Forrest-generated
> version). So the content at the top is unnecessarily duplicated.
>
> Clay Leeds
> webmaestro@mac.com
BTW, I get one error when building:
X [0] images/
jarDependImg.png BROKEN: null
This is accessed from /install.html. As far as I can see, I have the
image in the proper location. In any case, I've manually placed it in
the images/directory, so it's active and displaying properly. Also,
the only major change I recall making is to rename the file
'demo.html' to toolsandapps.html, because there is another file
called batikDemo.html which is just confusing. We'd have to place a
re-direct for that one page.
Web Maestro Clay
the.webmaestro@gmail.com
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au>.
Hi Clay.
Web Maestro Clay:
> Looks good. That's a lot of work you put in there! The Status page is
> really cool! Nice work!
Thanks.
> Here're a couple of my comments... (please forgive if they're
> referenced below...
> - I prefer the lighter page style used on XML Graphics & FOP sites
> (see my skinconf.xml file to implement)
The reason I prefer the darker skin is that I think it looks a bit
strange (on the XML Graphics and FOP sites) with the menu having a white
background and the unselected tabs at the top almost blend in to the
white background.
I guess it may be better to have a uniform styling, though.
> - I prefer the breadcrumb trail in the location="alt" spot (under the
> tabs instead of at the top of the page)
I prefer them at the top. ;-) But again, maybe consistency should
win...
> - Development tab (dev/index.html) has no content & SMIL anim. page
> 404 error
> - dev/svg12/*.html
Yeah I haven't written them yet.
> - you may want to enable the PDF link (again, see my skinconf.xml)
I did have it enabled before, but the FO that it must produce to
generate the PDF needs some tweaking to look nice, and I didn't want to
bother looking in to that. The status page, in particular, looked
particularly bad. Perhaps that was because of the big tables styled in
HTML by CSS, lacking styling in the FO. The status page also took
several minutes to produce and ended up being over 100 PDF pages long!
> > ['figure' references not followed]
> I had the same problem. Since we didn't get validation errors the
> <figure /> tag must be acceptable. Must be something else. Maybe
> we'll have to change them all to <img />.
I think I had validation turned off, but still, I think figure is
allowed (it's in the document-v20 reference). Perhaps it's a bug in
forrest.
> BTW, I noticed you changed
> the XML Graphics logo. I hope you didn't have to build that from
> scratch. I think the SVG file is around somewhere.
No I grabbed the SVG from the Commons repo and modified it a bit. I
found that the text in the original one was a little hard to read, so I
shuffled it around a little. The white text on the feather, when there
is the dark background, helps legibility. It's hard to make the text
have more contrast with the feather if there's a white background. I
think that's another reason I preferred the dark skin for the site.
> Let me know if you want help!
Will do.
Cameron
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Web Maestro Clay <th...@gmail.com>.
On May 15, 2006, at 4:25 AM, Cameron McCormack wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Web Maestro Clay:
>> Once you've made your changes to the documents and such, can you
>> archive the files, and post them somewhere? I'd like to place them in
>> my xdocs/ dir and see what I can do with them.
>
> You can see what I've done with the site here:
>
> http://people.apache.org/~cam/site/
Looks good. That's a lot of work you put in there! The Status page is
really cool! Nice work!
Here're a couple of my comments... (please forgive if they're
referenced below...
- I prefer the lighter page style used on XML Graphics & FOP sites
(see my skinconf.xml file to implement)
- I prefer the breadcrumb trail in the location="alt" spot (under the
tabs instead of at the top of the page)
- Development tab (dev/index.html) has no content & SMIL anim. page
404 error
- dev/svg12/*.html
- you may want to enable the PDF link (again, see my skinconf.xml)
> ZIP of the sources:
>
> http://people.apache.org/~cam/batik-forrest.zip
>
> Points:
>
> * Lots of reformatting, typo fixing, some rewording, Javadoc
> linking.
>
> * Organised pages into four tabs/directories.
>
> * Used a download CGI script page like Forrest's.
>
> * Updated the status page significantly.
>
> * Haven't updated the demo page yet; the Web Start demo programs
> will
> have to be found again or recreated.
>
> * Changed FAQs page to use the faq document type.
>
> * Updated the contributors page to update who's active and who's
> inactive. For the table at the end of the page ("areas of
> expertise") I've just moved the "X"s over from the inactive
> committers to Thomas and me fairly arbitrarily. Please update
> this
> as appropriate. Not sure what to but in Dieter's column yet.
>
> * Moved the list of projects using Batik to a separate page.
>
> * Included some resources links in the main menu (specs, wikis,
> mailing lists, etc.).
>
> * Added a page on the parser module.
>
> * Plan to add a page on the CSS engine, haven't written it yet.
>
> * Shuffled around the scripting pages.
>
> * Haven't written anything on the Development tab yet.
>
> * Slightly modified the XML Graphics logo.
>
> * I borrowed some books on Batik (the art) on the weekend, and I'm
> going to see if I can cobble together some SVG that looks similar
> and appealing for the background of the new Batik logo.
>
> When building the site with forrest, I get this error:
>
> X [0] images/jarDependImg.png BROKEN:
> java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.NullPointerException
>
> Seems to be some problem with rasterising jarDependImg.svg. The
> PNG is
> still there, so I guess it doesn't matter too much for now.
I had the same problem, despite having that image everywhere I could
think of...
> Also, for some reason the images in resources/images that are
> referenced
> with a 'figure' element don't seem to be copied across when I run
> "forrest site" (the one on the index page is referenced with an 'img'
> element, and that one is copied across).
>
> Cameron
I had the same problem. Since we didn't get validation errors the
<figure /> tag must be acceptable. Must be something else. Maybe
we'll have to change them all to <img />. BTW, I noticed you changed
the XML Graphics logo. I hope you didn't have to build that from
scratch. I think the SVG file is around somewhere.
Let me know if you want help!
Web Maestro Clay
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au>.
Hi all.
Web Maestro Clay:
> Once you've made your changes to the documents and such, can you
> archive the files, and post them somewhere? I'd like to place them in
> my xdocs/ dir and see what I can do with them.
You can see what I've done with the site here:
http://people.apache.org/~cam/site/
ZIP of the sources:
http://people.apache.org/~cam/batik-forrest.zip
Points:
* Lots of reformatting, typo fixing, some rewording, Javadoc linking.
* Organised pages into four tabs/directories.
* Used a download CGI script page like Forrest's.
* Updated the status page significantly.
* Haven't updated the demo page yet; the Web Start demo programs will
have to be found again or recreated.
* Changed FAQs page to use the faq document type.
* Updated the contributors page to update who's active and who's
inactive. For the table at the end of the page ("areas of
expertise") I've just moved the "X"s over from the inactive
committers to Thomas and me fairly arbitrarily. Please update this
as appropriate. Not sure what to but in Dieter's column yet.
* Moved the list of projects using Batik to a separate page.
* Included some resources links in the main menu (specs, wikis,
mailing lists, etc.).
* Added a page on the parser module.
* Plan to add a page on the CSS engine, haven't written it yet.
* Shuffled around the scripting pages.
* Haven't written anything on the Development tab yet.
* Slightly modified the XML Graphics logo.
* I borrowed some books on Batik (the art) on the weekend, and I'm
going to see if I can cobble together some SVG that looks similar
and appealing for the background of the new Batik logo.
When building the site with forrest, I get this error:
X [0] images/jarDependImg.png BROKEN: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.NullPointerException
Seems to be some problem with rasterising jarDependImg.svg. The PNG is
still there, so I guess it doesn't matter too much for now.
Also, for some reason the images in resources/images that are referenced
with a 'figure' element don't seem to be copied across when I run
"forrest site" (the one on the index page is referenced with an 'img'
element, and that one is copied across).
Cameron
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Web Maestro Clay <th...@gmail.com>.
On May 6, 2006, at 11:31 PM, Cameron McCormack wrote:
> Clay Leeds:
>> BTW, each page currently has a TOC auto-generated plus a friendlier
>> hand-crafted 'TOC' (which I like better than the Forrest-generated
>> version). So the content at the top is unnecessarily duplicated.
>
> Yup, in my versions I've rewritten some of the intro text and left the
> Forrest mini toc.
>
> BTW, could you let me know the differences in content you've made
> to the
> versions you've made? That should make it easier to merge my changes
> and yours.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cameron
Once you've made your changes to the documents and such, can you
archive the files, and post them somewhere? I'd like to place them in
my xdocs/ dir and see what I can do with them.
Web Maestro Clay
the.webmaestro@gmail.com
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Clay Leeds <we...@mac.com>.
On May 6, 2006, at 11:31 PM, Cameron McCormack wrote:
> Clay Leeds:
>> BTW, each page currently has a TOC auto-generated plus a friendlier
>> hand-crafted 'TOC' (which I like better than the Forrest-generated
>> version). So the content at the top is unnecessarily duplicated.
>
> Yup, in my versions I've rewritten some of the intro text and left the
> Forrest mini toc.
>
> BTW, could you let me know the differences in content you've made
> to the
> versions you've made? That should make it easier to merge my changes
> and yours.
The primary changes have to do with DOCTYPE changes. I've had to make
a couple of link changes (because they were bad links). Also, I am no
longer using the deprecated book.xml and site-book.xml files. Instead
I use site.xml and tabs.xml.
I've uploaded a ZIP archive of my most recent source:
http://people.apache.org/~clay/batik_clay.zip
It's based on a `forrest seed` so the path to the xdocs is
src/documentation/content/xdocs/
Important files are:
src/documentation/skinconf.xml
src/documentation/content/xdocs/site.xml
src/documentation/content/xdocs/tabs.xml
src/documentation/content/xdocs/*.xml
As far as I know the apache install honors re-directs via .htaccess.
In fact, I have one at /www/xml.apache.org/batik (pointed at
xmlgraphics.a.o/b).
Clay Leeds
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au>.
Clay Leeds:
> BTW, each page currently has a TOC auto-generated plus a friendlier
> hand-crafted 'TOC' (which I like better than the Forrest-generated
> version). So the content at the top is unnecessarily duplicated.
Yup, in my versions I've rewritten some of the intro text and left the
Forrest mini toc.
BTW, could you let me know the differences in content you've made to the
versions you've made? That should make it easier to merge my changes
and yours.
Thanks,
Cameron
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Clay Leeds <we...@mac.com>.
On May 6, 2006, at 11:21 PM, Cameron McCormack wrote:
> Thanks for that! I've also been having a go at a Forrest site for
> Batik
> over the last few days; hope I haven't duplicated too much of your
> efforts. :-) I'll take a look and integrate what you've got.
>
>> [2]
>> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/supportedElements.html
>>
>> [3]
>> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/supportedProperties.html
>>
>> [4]
>> http://people.apache.org/~clay/batik/status.html
>
> Yeah, these pages are what prompted me to think about getting the site
> in order.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cameron
BTW, each page currently has a TOC auto-generated plus a friendlier
hand-crafted 'TOC' (which I like better than the Forrest-generated
version). So the content at the top is unnecessarily duplicated.
Clay Leeds
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by th...@kodak.com.
Hi all,
Thanks for working on this, it looks good. I had a few
comments/suggestions.
For the title bar I think the 'Batik 1.6' graphic from the current
index page would be
better (but I think Cameron may be working on a better 'logo').
Also I would get rid of the 'News' page (obviously we don't keep it up
to date).
It took me a while to find the 'examples' section perhaps move to the
tab bar?
Can it move towards the top of the TOC list? Perhaps rename it to
'Development Examples'.
Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au> wrote on 05/07/2006 02:21:41 AM:
> Hi Clay.
>
> Web Maestro Clay:
> > I have a 'first draft' of a Forrest-based Batik web site[1] in my
> > user folder. I've taken the liberty to play around with navigation
> > order a bit, so feel free to tell me to un-re-order items. If you'd
> > like, we can even place some items into folders (dev/, docs/, etc.).
> >
> > I do have a couple of -FIXME items, but they're for pages that are
> > missing on the LIVE site as well... supportedElements.html[2] and
> > supporteedProperties.html[3] linked from the status.html page[4]. In
> > addition, the svgdom.html page (also on status.html) is currently a
> > straight html file passed through (I got lazy and didn't want to go
> > through the trouble to fix that behemoth right now...).
>
> Thanks for that! I've also been having a go at a Forrest site for Batik
> over the last few days; hope I haven't duplicated too much of your
> efforts. :-) I'll take a look and integrate what you've got.
>
> > [2]
> > http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/supportedElements.html
> >
> > [3]
> > http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/supportedProperties.html
> >
> > [4]
> > http://people.apache.org/~clay/batik/status.html
>
> Yeah, these pages are what prompted me to think about getting the site
> in order.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cameron
>
> --
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> http://mcc.id.au/ JBR: heycam (at) jabber.org
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Re: Forrest Batik web site
Posted by Cameron McCormack <ca...@mcc.id.au>.
Hi Clay.
Web Maestro Clay:
> I have a 'first draft' of a Forrest-based Batik web site[1] in my
> user folder. I've taken the liberty to play around with navigation
> order a bit, so feel free to tell me to un-re-order items. If you'd
> like, we can even place some items into folders (dev/, docs/, etc.).
>
> I do have a couple of -FIXME items, but they're for pages that are
> missing on the LIVE site as well... supportedElements.html[2] and
> supporteedProperties.html[3] linked from the status.html page[4]. In
> addition, the svgdom.html page (also on status.html) is currently a
> straight html file passed through (I got lazy and didn't want to go
> through the trouble to fix that behemoth right now...).
Thanks for that! I've also been having a go at a Forrest site for Batik
over the last few days; hope I haven't duplicated too much of your
efforts. :-) I'll take a look and integrate what you've got.
> [2]
> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/supportedElements.html
>
> [3]
> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/supportedProperties.html
>
> [4]
> http://people.apache.org/~clay/batik/status.html
Yeah, these pages are what prompted me to think about getting the site
in order.
Thanks,
Cameron
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