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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com> on 1998/02/26 05:44:55 UTC
what is server side javascript?
and what is the difference between server side java, server side
javascript and java servlets?
Re: what is server side javascript?
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
Marc Slemko wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alexei Kosut wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Marc Slemko wrote:
> >
> > Server side javascript is just what it sounds like; JavaScript on the
> > server side. It's supported by some of the Netscape servers, I think. I
> > think it's sort of like writing ASP with JScript as the script engine
> > instead of Visual Basic (which ASP lets you do). But I might be wrong.
>
> Erm. Ok. I'm waiting for them to come up with router-side Javascript.
> "save CPU cycles by offloading your Javascript onto all the overpowered,
> underused router CPUs between the server and the client! Speeds up
> responses, reduces latency!"
>
> So we do (with extra modules) server side Java, we do servlets, but we
> don't do server side Javascript, right?
Well, actually, with my ASP module, we do do server side Javascript. On
Win32.
Now, if I can find the time/energy to implement all the server objects
and stuff, then we do proper ASP.
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: what is server side javascript?
Posted by Igor Tatarinov <ta...@prairie.NoDak.edu>.
Marc Slemko wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alexei Kosut wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Marc Slemko wrote:
> >
> > Server side javascript is just what it sounds like; JavaScript on the
> > server side. It's supported by some of the Netscape servers, I think. I
> > think it's sort of like writing ASP with JScript as the script engine
> > instead of Visual Basic (which ASP lets you do). But I might be wrong.
>
> Erm. Ok. I'm waiting for them to come up with router-side Javascript.
> "save CPU cycles by offloading your Javascript onto all the overpowered,
> underused router CPUs between the server and the client! Speeds up
> responses, reduces latency!"
It may sound funny but this is a hot area of research right now :) It's
called active networking. I don't believe in it myself but there are
several projects (a lab at MIT, etc) on that. I especially like their
example of how active networks could help the Web: they propose Web
proxies within network routers!
There are some more realistic examples though, e.g., application-
controled congestion avoidance. Before sending data, apps inject
their own "packet droppers" that would for example drop an entire
video frame if one packet has been lost.
igor
Re: what is server side javascript?
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Jeremie Miller wrote:
> Microsoft's version of JavaScript has always been available in source
> code:
> http://www.microsoft.com/jscript/us/techinfo/src_lic.htm
>
> I'm no lawyer, but the license scares me. Netscape has always made their
Hehe. Yea, they specify you must have an "about box":
(b) All distributions must provide the following attribution in
both the "about box" and in any printed/online documentation: "This
application uses JScript from Microsoft Corporation."
[...]
(e) Access to the JS Code shall only be at secure Licensee
facilities where Licensee takes all reasonable steps necessary to
protect the security and the confidentiality of the JS Code; and
Re: what is server side javascript?
Posted by Jeremie Miller <je...@netins.net>.
Microsoft's version of JavaScript has always been available in source
code:
http://www.microsoft.com/jscript/us/techinfo/src_lic.htm
I'm no lawyer, but the license scares me. Netscape has always made their
version's source available too, but only to those that are part of their
developer program.
Netscape may release the source to their JavaScript implimentation
independently from the browser's source(or so I've heard), but I don't
know if it would be under whatever license they choose for the browser or
a different one.
I have yet to find any other "free" versions out there, or any projects to
create one. I think it would be a very powerful option to add to mod_php,
and maybe that can happen based on Netscapes source release...???
BTW, most people consider JavaScript a "toy" or amateur's language, but it
is in fact a complete, simple, OO language, which is quite powerful(I've
already written an XML parser in it :). It's going to become even more
powerful and common as DOM and XML/XSL take their place in the industry.
Jeremie Miller
jer@jeremie.com
http://www.jeremie.com/
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > So we do (with extra modules) server side Java, we do servlets, but we
> > don't do server side Javascript, right?
>
> Right, but we do server-side Perl via mod_perl and server-side PHP via
> mod_php. Both of which are far more useful if you ask me.
>
> Apparently Microsoft is going to release the source code to their
> JavaScript parser at some point. I have a couple of guys who are planning
> on adding this as an option to mod_php. The PHP language is already quite
> similar to JavaScript in some ways.
>
> -Rasmus
>
Re: what is server side javascript?
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > So we do (with extra modules) server side Java, we do servlets, but we
> > don't do server side Javascript, right?
>
> Right, but we do server-side Perl via mod_perl and server-side PHP via
> mod_php. Both of which are far more useful if you ask me.
More useful doesn't count when you are filling out features tables. Hmm.
No, no place to include stuff like mod_perl and mod_php. Sigh. Well... I
guess they could nearly fit into the "other APIs" section sortof. But not
really.
>
> Apparently Microsoft is going to release the source code to their
> JavaScript parser at some point. I have a couple of guys who are planning
> on adding this as an option to mod_php. The PHP language is already quite
> similar to JavaScript in some ways.
>
> -Rasmus
>
Re: what is server side javascript?
Posted by Rasmus Lerdorf <ra...@lerdorf.on.ca>.
> So we do (with extra modules) server side Java, we do servlets, but we
> don't do server side Javascript, right?
Right, but we do server-side Perl via mod_perl and server-side PHP via
mod_php. Both of which are far more useful if you ask me.
Apparently Microsoft is going to release the source code to their
JavaScript parser at some point. I have a couple of guys who are planning
on adding this as an option to mod_php. The PHP language is already quite
similar to JavaScript in some ways.
-Rasmus
Re: what is server side javascript?
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alexei Kosut wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Marc Slemko wrote:
>
> Server side javascript is just what it sounds like; JavaScript on the
> server side. It's supported by some of the Netscape servers, I think. I
> think it's sort of like writing ASP with JScript as the script engine
> instead of Visual Basic (which ASP lets you do). But I might be wrong.
Erm. Ok. I'm waiting for them to come up with router-side Javascript.
"save CPU cycles by offloading your Javascript onto all the overpowered,
underused router CPUs between the server and the client! Speeds up
responses, reduces latency!"
So we do (with extra modules) server side Java, we do servlets, but we
don't do server side Javascript, right?
>
> > and what is the difference between server side java, server side
> > javascript and java servlets?
>
> Server side java is any sort of Java used on the server side, generally.
> As a web server, as a CGI, as whatever. Server side JavaScript has the
> same relationship to server side Java that client side JavaScript has with
> client side Java - i.e., they both have the letters j, a, v and a
> in the name.
>
> Java servlets are Java classes that extend the javax.servlet.Servlet
> class. Sun defines a common API for them that allows these Java classes to
> be loaded on a variety of servers; they essentially act in the same role
> as CGI scripts or ISAPI extensions. For a given URI, they can return
> content.
>
> Of course, I may be wrong, but that's what I seem to recall.
>
> -- Alexei Kosut <ak...@stanford.edu> <http://www.stanford.edu/~akosut/>
> Stanford University, Class of 2001 * Apache <http://www.apache.org> *
>
>
Re: what is server side javascript?
Posted by Alexei Kosut <ak...@leland.Stanford.EDU>.
On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Marc Slemko wrote:
Server side javascript is just what it sounds like; JavaScript on the
server side. It's supported by some of the Netscape servers, I think. I
think it's sort of like writing ASP with JScript as the script engine
instead of Visual Basic (which ASP lets you do). But I might be wrong.
> and what is the difference between server side java, server side
> javascript and java servlets?
Server side java is any sort of Java used on the server side, generally.
As a web server, as a CGI, as whatever. Server side JavaScript has the
same relationship to server side Java that client side JavaScript has with
client side Java - i.e., they both have the letters j, a, v and a
in the name.
Java servlets are Java classes that extend the javax.servlet.Servlet
class. Sun defines a common API for them that allows these Java classes to
be loaded on a variety of servers; they essentially act in the same role
as CGI scripts or ISAPI extensions. For a given URI, they can return
content.
Of course, I may be wrong, but that's what I seem to recall.
-- Alexei Kosut <ak...@stanford.edu> <http://www.stanford.edu/~akosut/>
Stanford University, Class of 2001 * Apache <http://www.apache.org> *