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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> on 2016/10/01 15:05:49 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Olympian Incubation Proposal
Agree with you on all points, Taylor.
And I am even quite surprised to see the number of people backing the
project, yet Apache is adamant to get involved. It feels a little bit like
the "Community over Code" and "Independent of any Corporate Influences"
have both received a big fat slap in their faces, and I think this hurts
the ASF more than any fallout with named corporation.
Disappointing to me...
Niclas
On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:32 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the community behind this proposal is ready to accept defeat at
> this point. With DataStax' objection, the project simply can't be brought
> under the auspices of the ASF unless DataStax reverses its stance.
>
> Personally, I'm somewhat discouraged to see a company I once held in high
> regard in terms of supporting OSS and the ASF take this action. This
> represents a further erosion of that respect. It is what it is. I can't
> fault DataStax for trying to protect their bottom line. They are well
> within their rights here. It could be considered a stain on their
> relationship with the ASF, or not.
>
> The community seems committed to moving forward with a fork, whether it is
> considered hostile or friendly. From discussions I've been privy to, if
> DataStax were to reverse their stance, this community would come back to
> the ASF in a heartbeat. There's a community behind this code, and they
> deserve the right to move forward.
>
> I think they will, unfortunately not at the ASF. At least for now. Nothing
> would please me more than to see this community be able to come to Apache.
>
> -Taylor
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 4:15 AM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> >
> > I like the re-licensing threat.... get it forked on github and prove to
> > them there is a willing community out there!
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 4:17 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd leave it open for now. I imagine/hope there are enough people aware
> of
> >> this thread that the sentiments expressed here might affect a change.
> >>
> >> -Taylor
> >>
> >>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> With obvious block due to Datastax response, shall I CLOSE this DISCUSS
> >>> thread until further updates, if any?
> >>>
> >>>> On Thursday, September 29, 2016, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> For the record I'd be -1 as well unless DataStax chose to support it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to give them time to change their mind though.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Taylor
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
> >>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016 19:22, "P. Taylor Goetz" <ptgoetz@gmail.com
> >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>> They can block a move to the ASF, but they can’t block a fork of the
> >>>>> project moving elsewhere. Strong communities will regroup and live
> on.
> >>>>> DataStax' reluctance to allow it could very easily be interpreted as
> a
> >>>>> rejection of the ASF governance model or the Foundation itself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, the community could certainly launch their fork at GitHub or
> some
> >>>>> such. DataStax provided them with that ability via the ALv2 license.
> >> The
> >>>>> ASF is not a necessary step for that community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>> Can we wait and see if DataStax is willing to do the right thing
> >> before
> >>>>> shooting down the proposal as a hostile fork?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My vote remains -1. That can change, based on their choices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> -g
> >>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Olympian Incubation Proposal
Posted by "P. Taylor Goetz" <pt...@gmail.com>.
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
>
> ultimately
> decided that expecting a bit more up-front community action was a
> prudent choice.
>
> What I'd like to see is a proof that ASF or no ASF the community wants to take
> matters into its own hands and fork away. For now it isn't actually
> obvious to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
Now that a move to the ASF is (currently) off the table, the community is regrouping to host the project elsewhere. Once basic infrastructure is in place there will likely be some sort of announcement. Proof will come.
-Taylor
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Re: [DISCUSS] Olympian Incubation Proposal
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> Agree with you on all points, Taylor.
>
> And I am even quite surprised to see the number of people backing the
> project, yet Apache is adamant to get involved. It feels a little bit like
> the "Community over Code" and "Independent of any Corporate Influences"
> have both received a big fat slap in their faces, and I think this hurts
> the ASF more than any fallout with named corporation.
>
> Disappointing to me...
That was my initial reaction as well, but then I thought some more and
ultimately
decided that expecting a bit more up-front community action was a
prudent choice.
What I'd like to see is a proof that ASF or no ASF the community wants to take
matters into its own hands and fork away. For now it isn't actually
obvious to me.
Thanks,
Roman.
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