Eclipse

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

So, we got rid of our eclipse plugin because STP/WTP are supposed to
be covering the ground, and now users here can't find anything working
except betas on the bleeding edge, and our Confluence site is a
'someday' placeholder. Can someone tell me what's the current
situation, and I'll update confluence?

Re: Eclipse

[Oisin Hurley <oi...@gmail.com>]

> No.  We DID have an eclipse plugin, but it didn't do anything gui related.  It
> literaly was just CXF and all the third party deps packaged into an eclipse
> plugin bundle thing so that could be put in the eclipse/plugins dir so that
> the STP tools could depend on it.

Yeah, I admit my weak memory in this regard, I remember it
now. That was a little while ago :)

 --oh

Re: Eclipse

[Oisin Hurley <oi...@gmail.com>]

> My collegue followed the instructions there and was rewarded with a
> nonfunctioning environment. I confess that I've had bad experience
> with the output of WTP in the past, so I'm not inclined to push him to
> try harder. Call me irresponsible ...

Push him to report the issues :)

 --oh

Re: Eclipse

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

My collegue followed the instructions there and was rewarded with a
nonfunctioning environment. I confess that I've had bad experience
with the output of WTP in the past, so I'm not inclined to push him to
try harder. Call me irresponsible ...

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Oisin Hurley<oi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In my experience, trying to use 'incubator' materials out of Eclipse
>> is a recipe for incipient self-defenestration.
>
> 'Incubation' at Eclipse means that the project
> hasn't reached a 1.0 yet in terms of APIs
> and has not been through an official release
> review.
>
> Just like at Apache, the term incubation is not
> an indicator of project quality and your mileage
> may vary.
>
> The JAXWS project is pretty good quality-wise
> in my opinion. If you have issues with using it,
> there is a Bugzilla tracker, and a news group
> and mailing list for help. Please ask questions
> and submit bugs if you find them.
>
>> So if that's the best
>> there is, we're stuck. I do wonder about whether the JBoss gang has
>> something useful.
>
> It looks like you're making a judgement without
> some back-up here. From where I type, you have
> evidence from someone who is having an issue
> but hasn't asked for help. Have you discovered
> issues yourself? If so, please report a bug in
> the tracker, or even a patch if you can. Patches
> are always welcome.
>
> When you find out about what JBoss offers, it
> would be awesome if you could summarize for
> the list.
>
>  --oh
>

Re: Eclipse

[Oisin Hurley <oi...@gmail.com>]

> In my experience, trying to use 'incubator' materials out of Eclipse
> is a recipe for incipient self-defenestration.

'Incubation' at Eclipse means that the project
hasn't reached a 1.0 yet in terms of APIs
and has not been through an official release
review.

Just like at Apache, the term incubation is not
an indicator of project quality and your mileage
may vary.

The JAXWS project is pretty good quality-wise
in my opinion. If you have issues with using it,
there is a Bugzilla tracker, and a news group
and mailing list for help. Please ask questions
and submit bugs if you find them.

> So if that's the best
> there is, we're stuck. I do wonder about whether the JBoss gang has
> something useful.

It looks like you're making a judgement without
some back-up here. From where I type, you have
evidence from someone who is having an issue
but hasn't asked for help. Have you discovered
issues yourself? If so, please report a bug in
the tracker, or even a patch if you can. Patches
are always welcome.

When you find out about what JBoss offers, it
would be awesome if you could summarize for
the list.

 --oh

Re: Eclipse

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

That explains that.

In my experience, trying to use 'incubator' materials out of Eclipse
is a recipe for incipient self-defenestration. So if that's the best
there is, we're stuck. I do wonder about whether the JBoss gang has
something useful.



On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Daniel Kulp<dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue July 14 2009 12:26:43 pm Oisin Hurley wrote:
>> > I strongly remember that there was an entire eclipse plugin in our
>> > tree back when I first showed up. I could be confabulating.
>>
>> I think you might be confabulating about that :)
>
> No.  We DID have an eclipse plugin, but it didn't do anything gui related.  It
> literaly was just CXF and all the third party deps packaged into an eclipse
> plugin bundle thing so that could be put in the eclipse/plugins dir so that
> the STP tools could depend on it.    Basically, just an overblown osgi bundle.
> When the STP/WTP tools flipped over to using an installed version of CXF, the
> bundle wasn't needed anymore and we got rid of it.
>
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://www.dankulp.com/blog
>

Re: Eclipse

[Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>]

On Tue July 14 2009 12:26:43 pm Oisin Hurley wrote:
> > I strongly remember that there was an entire eclipse plugin in our
> > tree back when I first showed up. I could be confabulating.
>
> I think you might be confabulating about that :)

No.  We DID have an eclipse plugin, but it didn't do anything gui related.  It 
literaly was just CXF and all the third party deps packaged into an eclipse 
plugin bundle thing so that could be put in the eclipse/plugins dir so that 
the STP tools could depend on it.    Basically, just an overblown osgi bundle.   
When the STP/WTP tools flipped over to using an installed version of CXF, the 
bundle wasn't needed anymore and we got rid of it.


-- 
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://www.dankulp.com/blog

Re: Eclipse

[Oisin Hurley <oi...@gmail.com>]

> http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF20DOC/cxf-tools-in-eclipse.html
>
> needs help.

Thanks

> I strongly remember that there was an entire eclipse plugin in our
> tree back when I first showed up. I could be confabulating.

I think you might be confabulating about that :)

 --oh

Re: Eclipse

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF20DOC/cxf-tools-in-eclipse.html

needs help.

I strongly remember that there was an entire eclipse plugin in our
tree back when I first showed up. I could be confabulating.


On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Oisin Hurley<oi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, we got rid of our eclipse plugin because STP/WTP are supposed to
>> be covering the ground, and now users here can't find anything working
>> except betas on the bleeding edge, and our Confluence site is a
>> 'someday' placeholder. Can someone tell me what's the current
>> situation, and I'll update confluence?
>
> What's the Confluence link?  I'll update it with the latest
> from the Eclipse JAXWS Tools project - this has been on
> my list for a while, I just haven't got to it.
>
> There's a link to some videos at the bottom of the resources
> page [0] that show how to use these tools, but they're a little
> hidden.
>
> When you write "we got rid of our Eclipse plugin", which
> plugin was that?
>
>  --oh
>
> [0] http://cxf.apache.org/resources-and-articles.html
>

Re: Eclipse

[Oisin Hurley <oi...@gmail.com>]

> So, we got rid of our eclipse plugin because STP/WTP are supposed to
> be covering the ground, and now users here can't find anything working
> except betas on the bleeding edge, and our Confluence site is a
> 'someday' placeholder. Can someone tell me what's the current
> situation, and I'll update confluence?

What's the Confluence link?  I'll update it with the latest
from the Eclipse JAXWS Tools project - this has been on
my list for a while, I just haven't got to it.

There's a link to some videos at the bottom of the resources
page [0] that show how to use these tools, but they're a little
hidden.

When you write "we got rid of our Eclipse plugin", which
plugin was that?

 --oh

[0] http://cxf.apache.org/resources-and-articles.html