Re: Outreachy sponsorship levels

[Sage Sharp <sh...@otter.technology>]

I'm not sure where the $10.5k number came from. Sponsorship for one
Outreachy intern is $6,500, and that number is not a multiple of that. You
can see our sponsorship levels on this page:

https://www.outreachy.org/sponsor/

Sage Sharp
Outreachy Organizer


On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 7:47 AM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:

> Can I get a summary of all of these Outreachy threads?  I'm not on
> private@diversity and I think I've read every email on this list, but I'm
> seeing numbers like $10.5K being discussed and I have no clue where that
> number came from.  I'm on fundraising@ as well and still don't recall any
> source for those numbers.  Also, I thought that there was more than one
> entity that was willing to donate directly to Outreachy and there was only
> one or two ASF sponsors who were unable to redirect their money directly to
> Outreachy, so I don't understand why we are still having these long
> discussions.
>
> I thought that if some entity was to donate money directly to Outreachy
> that there were no objections from anybody even if it benefited one or a
> few ASF projects and not others.  I would hope that would be the
> recommended workflow.
>
> If it turns out there are some entities that are ok with the money they
> donated to the ASF going to Outreachy but for some reason can't directly
> donate to Outreachy, I would hope that we would make it clear that this
> workflow is not our recommended workflow but we would redirect some of
> their money to Outreachy and either let Outreachy pick which ASF project
> gets an intern, or can we document somewhere that this money was donated
> "on behalf of Entity X".
>
> And then, IMO, the ASF is not paying for code.  Can we all agree to that
> and get going on Outreachy?
>
> It was interesting to see it pointed out that there is a financial barrier
> to entry at the ASF.  It would be nice if the ASF could find a way to help
> lower that barrier without "paying for code", but maybe we should put that
> in its own thread and spend more time brainstorming on that while we get
> going on Outreachy.  IMO, the ASF has other barriers as well.  Every ASF
> project I've looked at is huge compared to many of the projects I've seen
> on Github, so the learning curve may be tilted against inexperienced
> programmers and they may need a more expensive computer to build the source
> without it affecting the interns productivity.   But even then, the
> entities donating directly to Outreachy could fund that more expensive
> computer.  The ASF should not feel obligated to take on smaller projects
> just to make Outreachy interns more successful.    Contributing code to the
> ASF is more like becoming a commercial truck driver, contributing to GitHub
> is more like becoming a ride-share driver.
>
> One thought on the financial barrier before I forget:  the ASF offers VMs
> to projects.  Could they offer laptops as well?
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
>
>
>

Re: Outreachy sponsorship levels

["Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>]

The origin of the 10.5k number was the 30k initial budget request number
for outreach minus the 19.5k put up by another sponser.

I agree it is not a multiple of 6.5k.  I pointed out a few times that issue
as well when we were asking for 5 interns for 30k that it was 2.5k short.

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019, 10:22 Sage Sharp <sh...@otter.technology> wrote:

> I'm not sure where the $10.5k number came from. Sponsorship for one
> Outreachy intern is $6,500, and that number is not a multiple of that. You
> can see our sponsorship levels on this page:
>
> https://www.outreachy.org/sponsor/
>
> Sage Sharp
> Outreachy Organizer
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 7:47 AM Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Can I get a summary of all of these Outreachy threads?  I'm not on
> > private@diversity and I think I've read every email on this list, but
> I'm
> > seeing numbers like $10.5K being discussed and I have no clue where that
> > number came from.  I'm on fundraising@ as well and still don't recall
> any
> > source for those numbers.  Also, I thought that there was more than one
> > entity that was willing to donate directly to Outreachy and there was
> only
> > one or two ASF sponsors who were unable to redirect their money directly
> to
> > Outreachy, so I don't understand why we are still having these long
> > discussions.
> >
> > I thought that if some entity was to donate money directly to Outreachy
> > that there were no objections from anybody even if it benefited one or a
> > few ASF projects and not others.  I would hope that would be the
> > recommended workflow.
> >
> > If it turns out there are some entities that are ok with the money they
> > donated to the ASF going to Outreachy but for some reason can't directly
> > donate to Outreachy, I would hope that we would make it clear that this
> > workflow is not our recommended workflow but we would redirect some of
> > their money to Outreachy and either let Outreachy pick which ASF project
> > gets an intern, or can we document somewhere that this money was donated
> > "on behalf of Entity X".
> >
> > And then, IMO, the ASF is not paying for code.  Can we all agree to that
> > and get going on Outreachy?
> >
> > It was interesting to see it pointed out that there is a financial
> barrier
> > to entry at the ASF.  It would be nice if the ASF could find a way to
> help
> > lower that barrier without "paying for code", but maybe we should put
> that
> > in its own thread and spend more time brainstorming on that while we get
> > going on Outreachy.  IMO, the ASF has other barriers as well.  Every ASF
> > project I've looked at is huge compared to many of the projects I've seen
> > on Github, so the learning curve may be tilted against inexperienced
> > programmers and they may need a more expensive computer to build the
> source
> > without it affecting the interns productivity.   But even then, the
> > entities donating directly to Outreachy could fund that more expensive
> > computer.  The ASF should not feel obligated to take on smaller projects
> > just to make Outreachy interns more successful.    Contributing code to
> the
> > ASF is more like becoming a commercial truck driver, contributing to
> GitHub
> > is more like becoming a ride-share driver.
> >
> > One thought on the financial barrier before I forget:  the ASF offers VMs
> > to projects.  Could they offer laptops as well?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
>