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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> on 2012/11/14 20:43:57 UTC
List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Hi,
In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members. Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from the project’s PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from our team list at [1].
Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set up to participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to remain on the PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some higher authority at Apache will remove you.
Adam Flater
Anatole Tartakovsky
Ben Kolin
Gabor Csomak
Pratyoosh Sharma
Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if you want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again, some higher authority may still have you removed.
Garth Braithwaite
Greg Owen
Jeff Boothe
Jon Rose
Michael Jordan
Michelle Yaiser
Stephen Gilson
Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can always re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are thankful for any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the future.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> ...there is a chance some higher authority at Apache will remove you....
In theory yes, in practice this is extremely unlikely.
Technically you're right that it's the ASF board of directors who
approves the creation of a project and its list of PMC members, but
unless there's something very wrong with a suggested PMC member the
board is not going to look at how people have gained sufficient merit
to be in there, that's really this project's call.
In about ten years at the ASF I don't think I've seen a single PMC
member being questioned by the board at project creation time, so the
probability is low.
-Bertrand
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Sugan Naicker <Su...@dev-x.co.za> wrote:
> ...Please keep me on the list...
As AFAIK you're not a committer I imagine you're asking to stay
subscribed to this list - that's not the issue.
Alex was just talking about who from the
http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html list is going to stay on
the Flex committers and PMC rosters once the project graduates to
flex.apache.org.
Everybody's welcome to stay subscribed to this list, as long as they
behave nicely ;-)
-Bertrand
RE: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Sugan Naicker <Su...@Dev-X.co.za>.
Hi,
Please keep me on the list.
Regards,
Sugan Naicker
Dev-X Digital Solutions (Pty) Ltd
'Interactive Application, Mobile, Web & eLearning Development'
Cell : 083-441-6346
Fax : 0866-170-114
Email : Sugan@Dev-X.co.za
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
Sent: 14 November 2012 09:44 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Hi,
In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members.
Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from
the project's PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from our
team list at [1].
Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set up to
participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to remain on
the PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some higher
authority at Apache will remove you.
Adam Flater
Anatole Tartakovsky
Ben Kolin
Gabor Csomak
Pratyoosh Sharma
Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if you
want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again, some
higher authority may still have you removed.
Garth Braithwaite
Greg Owen
Jeff Boothe
Jon Rose
Michael Jordan
Michelle Yaiser
Stephen Gilson
Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can always
re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are thankful for
any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the future.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
You don't have to get anything checked in by the graduation date, it is more
whether you still want to be involved. I will put you on the list, although
the higher authorities may still cull the list.
On 11/14/12 12:14 PM, "Michelle Yaiser" <my...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for being so slow. I've got a few patches I'm working on that will be
> submitted soon.
>
> I'm also working with the Flex and Flash Builder content on the ADC trying to
> get some of it moved here.
>
> Cheers,
> Michelle
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michelle Yaiser
> Content & Community Manager | Developer Relations
> Adobe Systems | myaiser@adobe.com | 781-839-1697
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:44 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
>
> Hi,
>
> In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members.
> Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from the
> project's PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from our team
> list at [1].
>
> Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set up to
> participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to remain on the
> PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some higher authority at
> Apache will remove you.
>
> Adam Flater
> Anatole Tartakovsky
> Ben Kolin
> Gabor Csomak
> Pratyoosh Sharma
>
> Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if you want
> to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again, some higher
> authority may still have you removed.
>
> Garth Braithwaite
> Greg Owen
> Jeff Boothe
> Jon Rose
> Michael Jordan
> Michelle Yaiser
> Stephen Gilson
>
> Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can always
> re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are thankful for any
> support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the future.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Michelle Yaiser <my...@adobe.com>.
Hi,
Sorry for being so slow. I've got a few patches I'm working on that will be submitted soon.
I'm also working with the Flex and Flash Builder content on the ADC trying to get some of it moved here.
Cheers,
Michelle
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michelle Yaiser
Content & Community Manager | Developer Relations
Adobe Systems | myaiser@adobe.com | 781-839-1697
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:44 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Hi,
In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members. Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from the project's PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from our team list at [1].
Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set up to participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to remain on the PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some higher authority at Apache will remove you.
Adam Flater
Anatole Tartakovsky
Ben Kolin
Gabor Csomak
Pratyoosh Sharma
Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if you want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again, some higher authority may still have you removed.
Garth Braithwaite
Greg Owen
Jeff Boothe
Jon Rose
Michael Jordan
Michelle Yaiser
Stephen Gilson
Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can always re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are thankful for any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the future.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Om <bi...@gmail.com>.
>
>
> If I recall correctly, we've only not elevated directly to PMC in a small
> handful of occasions, when the new committers had not yet actually
> contributed patches but were working on big code grants/contributions to
> the project. I believe it was encouraged and most people were voted
> directly as PPMC/committers.
Not true. It was exactly the opposite of what you describe here. There
was pretty much a consensus that we should make them committers-only first.
And then elevate them to PPMC members if they continue to show that they
care about Apache Flex.
If you want to go into details about who you think they were, IMHO, we
should take the conversation into the flex-private list.
>
> >
> > There are a fairly significant number of non-coders in the current PMC.
> > Maybe they should actively recruit folks that do interaction design,
> > evangelism, etc. The lack of such activity does not mean that we should
> > not invite new coders/committers into Apache Flex.
> >
>
> I don't think anyone has ever proposed stopping the invitations of new
> committers. I believe its encouraged to add as many as are actively
> participating and contributing to the project as we can find that are
> active and accepting of the invitation.
>
The implication was that since the PMC consists of mostly coders, only
coders are being invited into the PMC. That is the point I was trying to
counter. If non-coder-PMC members were more active, we probably will not
have such an imbalance. One of the stated responsibilities of a PMC member
is to actively look for new people to add to the project who will advance
the project.
>
>
> >
> > More of both is what we need. I have personally reached out to
> non-coders
> > who have been active on this list to see if they are interested in
> becoming
> > PPMC members. And we should all be doing that regularly.
> >
>
> Sure, it just takes a simple nomination by PPMC members, that's never been
> discouraged that I recall.
>
>
> >
> > But this is tangential to the current discussion. Erik raises a valid
> > question here. We are at the cusp of graduating and we need to figure
> out
> > what standards we want an Apache Flex PMC member should be held to. Lets
> > all agree to a standard and start adhering to it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
>
> What standards? The decision of whether or not they should be a (P)PMC
> member is always done at the time of voting them in as new ppmc/committers.
> Once they're voted in there's no real standard, that is why people aren't
> really removed once they're committers. People earn their way in with
> activity and a vote in, and after being voted in, for whatever kind of life
> reasons their activity reduces there aren't demotions or removal of
> peoples, so I don't see the necessity for a defined standard for PMC
> members. It really all comes down to the vote when they're added.
>
The question is what are the standards? The answer could very well be
'there are no standards'. But as you say, an invitation is put forth based
on a person's level of activity and attitude shown in the list. So, there
is an implicit 'standard' we want PPMC members to adhere to.
The immediate question for us is should we apply the same 'standard' to the
initial list of committers and PPMC members. That is what we need to
decide as a team.
And as Alex mentioned, this is a pretty standard process that takes place
when a podling graduates into an Apache top level project. The initial
committer list is culled during this transition. Again, this is not a
demotion - if the person is really interested, they can contribute to Flex
and be invited again.
>
> Am I wrong here? Glad we're keeping some mentors around for these
> discussions, maybe they can chime in a little bit here.
>
> -Omar
>
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
>
> Am I wrong here? Glad we're keeping some mentors around for these
> discussions, maybe they can chime in a little bit here.
>
> -Omar
The mentors have seen the table of member activity, and proposed that we
copy what Stanbol did in terms of pinging inactive members, and that had a
relatively low bar as far as what it would take to be included on the
charter as a PMC member.
The draft of the charter will include the two so far who raised their hand
and I'm sure the mentors will advise us if we should not include them.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Om <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Michael A. Labriola <
> labriola@digitalprimates.net> wrote:
>
> > >Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's
> > >fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do
> > >prospective committers, don't you?
> >
> > Well, to be fair, I sort of actually hate that too...
> >
> > What does it mean to commit time to a project like this? Is it only code
> > commits that count? That seems like a narrow vision of what's important
> to
> > a project like this.
> >
> > What about people who present, write about or educate on Flex? Worked on
> > getting/keeping Flex inside of corporations during our transition time to
> > Apache? People raising awareness... you get the point. If there is one
> > thing I find a little disturbing about the idea of PMC and Committers
> being
> > the same group is that it seems to value code commits above all else. In
> my
> > opinion that is a fraction of what makes any project/product successful.
> >
> > When I first read about Apache I actually thought these were two separate
> > groups most of the time and found it slightly disappointing that they
> seem
> > to be more aligned than not.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> You are right, PMC members dont necessarily have to contribute code. But
> they have to contribute something - anything. Pick from the list you
> mentioned. We also have committers who are not PMC members. We have been
> careful not to automatically elevate a committer to a PMC member.
>
If I recall correctly, we've only not elevated directly to PMC in a small
handful of occasions, when the new committers had not yet actually
contributed patches but were working on big code grants/contributions to
the project. I believe it was encouraged and most people were voted
directly as PPMC/committers.
>
> There are a fairly significant number of non-coders in the current PMC.
> Maybe they should actively recruit folks that do interaction design,
> evangelism, etc. The lack of such activity does not mean that we should
> not invite new coders/committers into Apache Flex.
>
I don't think anyone has ever proposed stopping the invitations of new
committers. I believe its encouraged to add as many as are actively
participating and contributing to the project as we can find that are
active and accepting of the invitation.
>
> More of both is what we need. I have personally reached out to non-coders
> who have been active on this list to see if they are interested in becoming
> PPMC members. And we should all be doing that regularly.
>
Sure, it just takes a simple nomination by PPMC members, that's never been
discouraged that I recall.
>
> But this is tangential to the current discussion. Erik raises a valid
> question here. We are at the cusp of graduating and we need to figure out
> what standards we want an Apache Flex PMC member should be held to. Lets
> all agree to a standard and start adhering to it.
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
What standards? The decision of whether or not they should be a (P)PMC
member is always done at the time of voting them in as new ppmc/committers.
Once they're voted in there's no real standard, that is why people aren't
really removed once they're committers. People earn their way in with
activity and a vote in, and after being voted in, for whatever kind of life
reasons their activity reduces there aren't demotions or removal of
peoples, so I don't see the necessity for a defined standard for PMC
members. It really all comes down to the vote when they're added.
Am I wrong here? Glad we're keeping some mentors around for these
discussions, maybe they can chime in a little bit here.
-Omar
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Om <bi...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Michael A. Labriola <
labriola@digitalprimates.net> wrote:
> >Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's
> >fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do
> >prospective committers, don't you?
>
> Well, to be fair, I sort of actually hate that too...
>
> What does it mean to commit time to a project like this? Is it only code
> commits that count? That seems like a narrow vision of what's important to
> a project like this.
>
> What about people who present, write about or educate on Flex? Worked on
> getting/keeping Flex inside of corporations during our transition time to
> Apache? People raising awareness... you get the point. If there is one
> thing I find a little disturbing about the idea of PMC and Committers being
> the same group is that it seems to value code commits above all else. In my
> opinion that is a fraction of what makes any project/product successful.
>
> When I first read about Apache I actually thought these were two separate
> groups most of the time and found it slightly disappointing that they seem
> to be more aligned than not.
>
> Mike
>
>
You are right, PMC members dont necessarily have to contribute code. But
they have to contribute something - anything. Pick from the list you
mentioned. We also have committers who are not PMC members. We have been
careful not to automatically elevate a committer to a PMC member.
There are a fairly significant number of non-coders in the current PMC.
Maybe they should actively recruit folks that do interaction design,
evangelism, etc. The lack of such activity does not mean that we should
not invite new coders/committers into Apache Flex.
More of both is what we need. I have personally reached out to non-coders
who have been active on this list to see if they are interested in becoming
PPMC members. And we should all be doing that regularly.
But this is tangential to the current discussion. Erik raises a valid
question here. We are at the cusp of graduating and we need to figure out
what standards we want an Apache Flex PMC member should be held to. Lets
all agree to a standard and start adhering to it.
Thanks,
Om
RE: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by "Michael A. Labriola" <la...@digitalprimates.net>.
>Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's
>fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do
>prospective committers, don't you?
Well, to be fair, I sort of actually hate that too...
What does it mean to commit time to a project like this? Is it only code commits that count? That seems like a narrow vision of what's important to a project like this.
What about people who present, write about or educate on Flex? Worked on getting/keeping Flex inside of corporations during our transition time to Apache? People raising awareness... you get the point. If there is one thing I find a little disturbing about the idea of PMC and Committers being the same group is that it seems to value code commits above all else. In my opinion that is a fraction of what makes any project/product successful.
When I first read about Apache I actually thought these were two separate groups most of the time and found it slightly disappointing that they seem to be more aligned than not.
Mike
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>.
On Thursday, November 15, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's
> fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do
> prospective committers, don't you?
>
> EdB
>
>
I remember a mentor saying you have to do something pretty terrible to be
removed once you're in, if that's true then I would say no it's not the
same as when we are considering new committers.
-Omar
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Carol Frampton <cf...@adobe.com>.
On 11/15/12 4 :44PM, "Erik de Bruin" <er...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's
>fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do
>prospective committers, don't you?
I don't think it works that way. Once you're a committer you're in,
except perhaps if your behavior is so destructive to the community you are
asked to leave.
How do you hold someone to those standards and not kick them out if the
standards aren't met?
Carol
>
>EdB
>
>
>
>On Thursday, November 15, 2012, Carol Frampton wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/12 3 :45PM, "Erik de Bruin" <erik@ixsoftware.nl <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than
>>sending
>> >one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the
>>initial
>> >sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy.
>> >
>> >How about the previously inactive members asking to be kept on as PMC
>> >members write up their motivation and intended contribution to the
>> >project,
>> >like Michelle did?
>>
>> I wouldn't be so quick to kick Michael out. I've shown the Apache Flex
>> installer GUI to him a few times to get ideas how to improve it. Also I
>> just submitted a few of his accessibility patches from the Adobe
>>flex.next
>> work.
>>
>> And has been said before, intended contribution is not a contribution,
>>so
>> I don't really see how what you are asking for really makes a
>>difference.
>> Either everyone who hasn't "contributed", whatever that means, is left
>>off
>> the list, or any one who wants to is welcome to stay as a member.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>> >EdB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Michael Jordan
>><mijordan@adobe.com<javascript:;>
>> >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'd like to remain on the PMC after graduation.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Michael
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Michael Jordan
>> >> Accessibility Engineer
>> >> Adobe
>> >> 781.839.1517x31517 (tel)
>> >> 617.347.9154 (cell)
>> >> mijordan@adobe.com <javascript:;>
>> >> 21 Hickory Drive
>> >> Waltham, MA, 02451 USA
>> >> blogs.adobe.com/accessibility <http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/14/12 2:43 PM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> >In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC
>>members.
>> >> >Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation
>> >>from
>> >> >the project¹s PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails
>>from
>> >> >our team list at [1].
>> >> >
>> >> >Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set
>>up to
>> >> >participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to
>>remain
>> >> >on the PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some
>>higher
>> >> >authority at Apache will remove you.
>> >> >
>> >> >Adam Flater
>> >> >Anatole Tartakovsky
>> >> >Ben Kolin
>> >> >Gabor Csomak
>> >> >Pratyoosh Sharma
>> >> >
>> >> >Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if
>> >>you
>> >> >want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again,
>>some
>> >> >higher authority may still have you removed.
>> >> >
>> >> >Garth Braithwaite
>> >> >Greg Owen
>> >> >Jeff Boothe
>> >> >Jon Rose
>> >> >Michael Jordan
>> >> >Michelle Yaiser
>> >> >Stephen Gilson
>> >> >
>> >> >Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can
>>always
>> >> >re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are
>>thankful
>> >> >for any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the
>> >>future.
>> >> >
>> >> >[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Alex Harui
>> >> >Flex SDK Team
>> >> >Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> >> >http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Ix Multimedia Software
>> >
>> >Jan Luykenstraat 27
>> >3521 VB Utrecht
>> >
>> >T. 06-51952295
>> >I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>
>>
>
>--
>Ix Multimedia Software
>
>Jan Luykenstraat 27
>3521 VB Utrecht
>
>T. 06-51952295
>I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's
fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do
prospective committers, don't you?
EdB
On Thursday, November 15, 2012, Carol Frampton wrote:
>
>
> On 11/15/12 3 :45PM, "Erik de Bruin" <erik@ixsoftware.nl <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> >I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending
> >one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial
> >sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy.
> >
> >How about the previously inactive members asking to be kept on as PMC
> >members write up their motivation and intended contribution to the
> >project,
> >like Michelle did?
>
> I wouldn't be so quick to kick Michael out. I've shown the Apache Flex
> installer GUI to him a few times to get ideas how to improve it. Also I
> just submitted a few of his accessibility patches from the Adobe flex.next
> work.
>
> And has been said before, intended contribution is not a contribution, so
> I don't really see how what you are asking for really makes a difference.
> Either everyone who hasn't "contributed", whatever that means, is left off
> the list, or any one who wants to is welcome to stay as a member.
>
> Carol
>
> >EdB
> >
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Michael Jordan <mijordan@adobe.com<javascript:;>
> >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to remain on the PMC after graduation.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Jordan
> >> Accessibility Engineer
> >> Adobe
> >> 781.839.1517x31517 (tel)
> >> 617.347.9154 (cell)
> >> mijordan@adobe.com <javascript:;>
> >> 21 Hickory Drive
> >> Waltham, MA, 02451 USA
> >> blogs.adobe.com/accessibility <http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/14/12 2:43 PM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members.
> >> >Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation
> >>from
> >> >the project¹s PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from
> >> >our team list at [1].
> >> >
> >> >Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set up to
> >> >participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to remain
> >> >on the PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some higher
> >> >authority at Apache will remove you.
> >> >
> >> >Adam Flater
> >> >Anatole Tartakovsky
> >> >Ben Kolin
> >> >Gabor Csomak
> >> >Pratyoosh Sharma
> >> >
> >> >Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if
> >>you
> >> >want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again, some
> >> >higher authority may still have you removed.
> >> >
> >> >Garth Braithwaite
> >> >Greg Owen
> >> >Jeff Boothe
> >> >Jon Rose
> >> >Michael Jordan
> >> >Michelle Yaiser
> >> >Stephen Gilson
> >> >
> >> >Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can always
> >> >re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are thankful
> >> >for any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the
> >>future.
> >> >
> >> >[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Alex Harui
> >> >Flex SDK Team
> >> >Adobe Systems, Inc.
> >> >http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >Ix Multimedia Software
> >
> >Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >3521 VB Utrecht
> >
> >T. 06-51952295
> >I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>
>
--
Ix Multimedia Software
Jan Luykenstraat 27
3521 VB Utrecht
T. 06-51952295
I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 11/16/12 4:15 AM, "Martin Heidegger" <mh...@leichtgewicht.at> wrote:
> It looks like I won't spend more time on Flex. Feel free to remove me.
IMO, you earned your way in, and even if you can't be active in the near
future, who knows what a more distant future will hold. Committer-hood,
once earned, does not expire. I'm planning on keeping you on the list.
>
> Yours
> Martin Heidegger
>
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Martin Heidegger <mh...@leichtgewicht.at>.
It looks like I won't spend more time on Flex. Feel free to remove me.
Yours
Martin Heidegger
On 16 Nov 2012, at 19:20, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>> ...I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending
>> one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial
>> sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy....
>
> If the PPMC wants to make that bar higher, that's a possibility, but I
> personally don't see a need for that.
>
> You're right that some people have gained committership and PPMC
> membership by just signing up on the incubation proposal, and might
> not have contributed much in the meantime.
>
> What I see is that at least two of the people listed above are paying
> sufficient attention to respond to this thread, and that's better than
> nothing.
>
> IMO the only bad thing that can happen is having poisonous people on
> the PMC [1] - if there's any concern about that that can be discussed
> on the PPMC private list.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52kFL8zVoM
>
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Bertrand's post is much better than the similar in substance one that I composed but had not edited last night.
I can say from experience that [1] is well worth watching. I really like how this community self-innoculates.
Regards,
Dave
On Nov 16, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>> ...I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending
>> one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial
>> sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy....
>
> If the PPMC wants to make that bar higher, that's a possibility, but I
> personally don't see a need for that.
>
> You're right that some people have gained committership and PPMC
> membership by just signing up on the incubation proposal, and might
> not have contributed much in the meantime.
>
> What I see is that at least two of the people listed above are paying
> sufficient attention to respond to this thread, and that's better than
> nothing.
>
> IMO the only bad thing that can happen is having poisonous people on
> the PMC [1] - if there's any concern about that that can be discussed
> on the PPMC private list.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52kFL8zVoM
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
> ...I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending
> one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial
> sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy....
If the PPMC wants to make that bar higher, that's a possibility, but I
personally don't see a need for that.
You're right that some people have gained committership and PPMC
membership by just signing up on the incubation proposal, and might
not have contributed much in the meantime.
What I see is that at least two of the people listed above are paying
sufficient attention to respond to this thread, and that's better than
nothing.
IMO the only bad thing that can happen is having poisonous people on
the PMC [1] - if there's any concern about that that can be discussed
on the PPMC private list.
-Bertrand
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52kFL8zVoM
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Carol Frampton <cf...@adobe.com>.
On 11/15/12 3 :45PM, "Erik de Bruin" <er...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending
>one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial
>sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy.
>
>How about the previously inactive members asking to be kept on as PMC
>members write up their motivation and intended contribution to the
>project,
>like Michelle did?
I wouldn't be so quick to kick Michael out. I've shown the Apache Flex
installer GUI to him a few times to get ideas how to improve it. Also I
just submitted a few of his accessibility patches from the Adobe flex.next
work.
And has been said before, intended contribution is not a contribution, so
I don't really see how what you are asking for really makes a difference.
Either everyone who hasn't "contributed", whatever that means, is left off
the list, or any one who wants to is welcome to stay as a member.
Carol
>EdB
>
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Michael Jordan <mi...@adobe.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I'd like to remain on the PMC after graduation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Jordan
>> Accessibility Engineer
>> Adobe
>> 781.839.1517x31517 (tel)
>> 617.347.9154 (cell)
>> mijordan@adobe.com
>> 21 Hickory Drive
>> Waltham, MA, 02451 USA
>> blogs.adobe.com/accessibility <http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/12 2:43 PM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members.
>> >Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation
>>from
>> >the project¹s PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from
>> >our team list at [1].
>> >
>> >Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set up to
>> >participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to remain
>> >on the PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some higher
>> >authority at Apache will remove you.
>> >
>> >Adam Flater
>> >Anatole Tartakovsky
>> >Ben Kolin
>> >Gabor Csomak
>> >Pratyoosh Sharma
>> >
>> >Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if
>>you
>> >want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again, some
>> >higher authority may still have you removed.
>> >
>> >Garth Braithwaite
>> >Greg Owen
>> >Jeff Boothe
>> >Jon Rose
>> >Michael Jordan
>> >Michelle Yaiser
>> >Stephen Gilson
>> >
>> >Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can always
>> >re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are thankful
>> >for any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the
>>future.
>> >
>> >[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
>> >
>> >--
>> >Alex Harui
>> >Flex SDK Team
>> >Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> >http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Ix Multimedia Software
>
>Jan Luykenstraat 27
>3521 VB Utrecht
>
>T. 06-51952295
>I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending
one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial
sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy.
How about the previously inactive members asking to be kept on as PMC
members write up their motivation and intended contribution to the project,
like Michelle did?
EdB
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Michael Jordan <mi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I'd like to remain on the PMC after graduation.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
>
> Michael Jordan
> Accessibility Engineer
> Adobe
> 781.839.1517x31517 (tel)
> 617.347.9154 (cell)
> mijordan@adobe.com
> 21 Hickory Drive
> Waltham, MA, 02451 USA
> blogs.adobe.com/accessibility <http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/14/12 2:43 PM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members.
> >Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from
> >the project¹s PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from
> >our team list at [1].
> >
> >Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set up to
> >participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to remain
> >on the PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some higher
> >authority at Apache will remove you.
> >
> >Adam Flater
> >Anatole Tartakovsky
> >Ben Kolin
> >Gabor Csomak
> >Pratyoosh Sharma
> >
> >Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if you
> >want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again, some
> >higher authority may still have you removed.
> >
> >Garth Braithwaite
> >Greg Owen
> >Jeff Boothe
> >Jon Rose
> >Michael Jordan
> >Michelle Yaiser
> >Stephen Gilson
> >
> >Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can always
> >re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are thankful
> >for any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the future.
> >
> >[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
> >
> >--
> >Alex Harui
> >Flex SDK Team
> >Adobe Systems, Inc.
> >http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
--
Ix Multimedia Software
Jan Luykenstraat 27
3521 VB Utrecht
T. 06-51952295
I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Posted by Michael Jordan <mi...@adobe.com>.
I'd like to remain on the PMC after graduation.
Thanks,
Michael
Michael Jordan
Accessibility Engineer
Adobe
781.839.1517x31517 (tel)
617.347.9154 (cell)
mijordan@adobe.com
21 Hickory Drive
Waltham, MA, 02451 USA
blogs.adobe.com/accessibility <http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/>
On 11/14/12 2:43 PM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members.
>Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from
>the project¹s PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from
>our team list at [1].
>
>Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set up to
>participate during incubation at all. Reply soon if you wish to remain
>on the PMC after graduation. Even then, there is a chance some higher
>authority at Apache will remove you.
>
>Adam Flater
>Anatole Tartakovsky
>Ben Kolin
>Gabor Csomak
>Pratyoosh Sharma
>
>Next is the list of folks who have been the least active. Again, if you
>want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again, some
>higher authority may still have you removed.
>
>Garth Braithwaite
>Greg Owen
>Jeff Boothe
>Jon Rose
>Michael Jordan
>Michelle Yaiser
>Stephen Gilson
>
>Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can always
>re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are thankful
>for any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the future.
>
>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
>
>--
>Alex Harui
>Flex SDK Team
>Adobe Systems, Inc.
>http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui