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Posted to users@tapestry.apache.org by Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com> on 2006/08/29 03:00:07 UTC
Progress Bar
guys,
is there a component available for tap3 for a progress bar or anything
else which can help me display a progress bar.
now i am thinking of generating something myself using a frames and
constantly updating the main page with the status (1%, 50%, 100% and
so on). this can be using either css or something else. but if there
is something within tapestry i can use, it would save me time.
any ideas.
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Re: Progress Bar -- A comment, a request, and an offer
Posted by Patrick Moore <pm...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Jesse --
First thanks for all your hard work on bringing dojo to Tapestry 4.1 I look
forward to using it in the next couple of weeks.
(A comment)
I understand Mark's perspective. Companies and teams that made a commitment to
Tapestry had to sell Tapestry to their managers over Struts/JSP/etc. The
Tapestry team needs to reward and encourage them so the users take their
Tapestry expertise and positive experiences forward to other projects, and
managers let them use Tapestry. Its not just the code-its the support and
community.
The thing that turned me on to Tapestry was not the software archicture but
rather Howard's commitment to clear error messages and comments in the code. I
can't tell you how many hours I have wasted trying to figure out a problem that
could have been saved if the original coder had spent the 13 seconds to write
something/anything about *why* he did what he did. I have never had that
problem with Tapestry. I will always chose less-than-perfect and no frustration
over perfect and frustration. I suspect I am not alone.
(A request)
The documentation does need to be improved. I would love it if some of the
information flowing on this list would end up on the website.
Is it possible for the website/documentation to be broken out so that others
could help update it?
(and an offer)
If that is done I would love to contribute in the documentation arena.
Thanks,
-Pat
--- Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is an open source project, anyone can make Tap3 / 4 / 5 anything they
> want it to be.
>
> I work on 4.X because that's what I currently enjoy.
>
> On 8/29/06, Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some of us have a large projects. Or could it be that Tapestry >
> > 3.999999999999 is so unstable as to be not worth the effort. First,
> > there isn't a Spindle product, then there is and now there isn't. Then
> > 4.x is the Holy Grail of web frameworks until Howard starts making is so
> > incompatible with 3.x that he has to divide it into 4.x and 5.x. And of
> > the three which is compatible with the others? NONE!!! So, do we upgrade
> > to 4.x and then later to 5.x or do we skip 4.x because 5.x is coming soon
> > and who wants to repeat the same upgrade twice or do we sit on 3.x and
> > wait for the dust to settle. And it is so much fun knowing that we are on
> a
> > DEAD branch with no new components or real enhancements.
> >
> > I think I will switch to Swing.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 7:54 PM
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: Re: Progress Bar
> >
> > From the sound of things it seems like you must either really enjoy pain
> > or
> > have an incredibly large project that would prevent you from upgrading to
> > 4.1 ;)
> >
> > On 8/28/06, Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > guys,
> > >
> > > is there a component available for tap3 for a progress bar or anything
> > > else which can help me display a progress bar.
> > >
> > > now i am thinking of generating something myself using a frames and
> > > constantly updating the main page with the status (1%, 50%, 100% and
> > > so on). this can be using either css or something else. but if there
> > > is something within tapestry i can use, it would save me time.
> > >
> > > any ideas.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jesse Kuhnert
> > Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
> >
> > Open source based consulting work centered around
> > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
>
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Re: Progress Bar
Posted by Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com>.
perhaps i shouldnt have raised this in the first place.
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RE: Progress Bar
Posted by Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>.
Jesse,
Don't misunderstand me, I wasn't asking anyone to support T3 anymore than they already are, which is mainly bug fixing and answering questions. I believe that Spindle for T3 and T4 is pretty much dead. T5 will be a whole new beast and maybe there will be some tool support then. As far as components for T3, we who are still on T3 are on our own.
I believe you have your hands full with T4. When T5 comes out maybe someone will want to create a tool then, I guess we will have to wait and see.
regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
Sent: Tue 8/29/2006 11:20 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Progress Bar
These points are certainly valid sounding. I don't want people to think I
don't care about what the community wants.
My hands are unfortunately tied. I barely have enough time to work on
Tapestry as it is, let alone another project like plugins..Trying to find
time to work on a project I would never use is something I find hard to
swallow. I can only hope if the community wants it bad enough someone will
eventually step forward and decide to do it. As much as I think spindle
really does provide a lot of value to the community, I personally have used
it once - for less than a day.
Now a combination of T5 + something like www.eclipse.org/atf ~is~ something
I would find personal value in using...That may be something I investigate
at some point in the future when both projects mature a little more. I know
one of the core devs on that project and how it is laid out, so I don't
think adding a "Tapestry" personality would be very far fetched..
Eithery way I don't think Howard or I will be going away anytime soon, which
also means T4/T5 won't stop being supported anytime soon.
I don't know what else to say...I'm trying my best to do what I can...I
can't do everything :(
On 8/29/06, Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com> wrote:
>
> Th original problem was that 3.x needed to evolve. So, 4.x was the next
> generation. However, as Howard was creating 4.x he realized that he
> wanted to skip ahead to the next generation of Tapestry. Tapestry users
> were not ready, so Howard left "4.xers" behind. And Jesse took over the
> evolution of 4.x. 4.x is very different from 3.x, for people who needed
> the next generation of Tapestry but couldn't wait for Howard it serves a
> very valuable purpose. And from what I read on the list, Jesse did a great
> deal of the work in making it what it is and has done a fine job.
>
> I was waiting on Spindle before moving to 4.x. Now what do I do? I guess
> the question is what of 4.x do I need? For our application, 3.x is doing
> what we need. And if it is doing what I need what do I gain from 4.x? I
> guess I would gain that I am on the current release with necessary bug fixes
> and enhancements. And probably new and improved components.
>
> When 5.x comes out, I will have to decide whether to switch or not. Once
> again what will my ROI be on the move to 5.x?
>
> What if I waited for 5.x and it never comes? What if I switch to 4.x and
> then 5.x arrives shortly after? Will 5.x go the route of Spindle?
> Bottom-line is that there isn't an intuitively obvious upgrade route. What
> I have is "FUD", Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tue 8/29/2006 10:13 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Progress Bar
>
> It is an open source project, anyone can make Tap3 / 4 / 5 anything they
> want it to be.
>
> I work on 4.X because that's what I currently enjoy.
>
> On 8/29/06, Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some of us have a large projects. Or could it be that Tapestry >
> > 3.999999999999 is so unstable as to be not worth the effort. First,
> > there isn't a Spindle product, then there is and now there isn't. Then
> > 4.x is the Holy Grail of web frameworks until Howard starts making is so
> > incompatible with 3.x that he has to divide it into 4.x and 5.x. And of
> > the three which is compatible with the others? NONE!!! So, do we
> upgrade
> > to 4.x and then later to 5.x or do we skip 4.x because 5.x is coming
> soon
> > and who wants to repeat the same upgrade twice or do we sit on 3.x and
> > wait for the dust to settle. And it is so much fun knowing that we are
> on a
> > DEAD branch with no new components or real enhancements.
> >
> > I think I will switch to Swing.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 7:54 PM
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: Re: Progress Bar
> >
> > From the sound of things it seems like you must either really enjoy pain
> > or
> > have an incredibly large project that would prevent you from upgrading
> to
> > 4.1 ;)
> >
> > On 8/28/06, Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > guys,
> > >
> > > is there a component available for tap3 for a progress bar or anything
> > > else which can help me display a progress bar.
> > >
> > > now i am thinking of generating something myself using a frames and
> > > constantly updating the main page with the status (1%, 50%, 100% and
> > > so on). this can be using either css or something else. but if there
> > > is something within tapestry i can use, it would save me time.
> > >
> > > any ideas.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jesse Kuhnert
> > Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
> >
> > Open source based consulting work centered around
> > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
>
>
>
--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
Re: Progress Bar
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
These points are certainly valid sounding. I don't want people to think I
don't care about what the community wants.
My hands are unfortunately tied. I barely have enough time to work on
Tapestry as it is, let alone another project like plugins..Trying to find
time to work on a project I would never use is something I find hard to
swallow. I can only hope if the community wants it bad enough someone will
eventually step forward and decide to do it. As much as I think spindle
really does provide a lot of value to the community, I personally have used
it once - for less than a day.
Now a combination of T5 + something like www.eclipse.org/atf ~is~ something
I would find personal value in using...That may be something I investigate
at some point in the future when both projects mature a little more. I know
one of the core devs on that project and how it is laid out, so I don't
think adding a "Tapestry" personality would be very far fetched..
Eithery way I don't think Howard or I will be going away anytime soon, which
also means T4/T5 won't stop being supported anytime soon.
I don't know what else to say...I'm trying my best to do what I can...I
can't do everything :(
On 8/29/06, Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com> wrote:
>
> Th original problem was that 3.x needed to evolve. So, 4.x was the next
> generation. However, as Howard was creating 4.x he realized that he
> wanted to skip ahead to the next generation of Tapestry. Tapestry users
> were not ready, so Howard left "4.xers" behind. And Jesse took over the
> evolution of 4.x. 4.x is very different from 3.x, for people who needed
> the next generation of Tapestry but couldn't wait for Howard it serves a
> very valuable purpose. And from what I read on the list, Jesse did a great
> deal of the work in making it what it is and has done a fine job.
>
> I was waiting on Spindle before moving to 4.x. Now what do I do? I guess
> the question is what of 4.x do I need? For our application, 3.x is doing
> what we need. And if it is doing what I need what do I gain from 4.x? I
> guess I would gain that I am on the current release with necessary bug fixes
> and enhancements. And probably new and improved components.
>
> When 5.x comes out, I will have to decide whether to switch or not. Once
> again what will my ROI be on the move to 5.x?
>
> What if I waited for 5.x and it never comes? What if I switch to 4.x and
> then 5.x arrives shortly after? Will 5.x go the route of Spindle?
> Bottom-line is that there isn't an intuitively obvious upgrade route. What
> I have is "FUD", Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tue 8/29/2006 10:13 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Progress Bar
>
> It is an open source project, anyone can make Tap3 / 4 / 5 anything they
> want it to be.
>
> I work on 4.X because that's what I currently enjoy.
>
> On 8/29/06, Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some of us have a large projects. Or could it be that Tapestry >
> > 3.999999999999 is so unstable as to be not worth the effort. First,
> > there isn't a Spindle product, then there is and now there isn't. Then
> > 4.x is the Holy Grail of web frameworks until Howard starts making is so
> > incompatible with 3.x that he has to divide it into 4.x and 5.x. And of
> > the three which is compatible with the others? NONE!!! So, do we
> upgrade
> > to 4.x and then later to 5.x or do we skip 4.x because 5.x is coming
> soon
> > and who wants to repeat the same upgrade twice or do we sit on 3.x and
> > wait for the dust to settle. And it is so much fun knowing that we are
> on a
> > DEAD branch with no new components or real enhancements.
> >
> > I think I will switch to Swing.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 7:54 PM
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: Re: Progress Bar
> >
> > From the sound of things it seems like you must either really enjoy pain
> > or
> > have an incredibly large project that would prevent you from upgrading
> to
> > 4.1 ;)
> >
> > On 8/28/06, Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > guys,
> > >
> > > is there a component available for tap3 for a progress bar or anything
> > > else which can help me display a progress bar.
> > >
> > > now i am thinking of generating something myself using a frames and
> > > constantly updating the main page with the status (1%, 50%, 100% and
> > > so on). this can be using either css or something else. but if there
> > > is something within tapestry i can use, it would save me time.
> > >
> > > any ideas.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jesse Kuhnert
> > Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
> >
> > Open source based consulting work centered around
> > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
>
>
>
--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
RE: Progress Bar
Posted by Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>.
Th original problem was that 3.x needed to evolve. So, 4.x was the next generation. However, as Howard was creating 4.x he realized that he wanted to skip ahead to the next generation of Tapestry. Tapestry users were not ready, so Howard left "4.xers" behind. And Jesse took over the evolution of 4.x. 4.x is very different from 3.x, for people who needed the next generation of Tapestry but couldn't wait for Howard it serves a very valuable purpose. And from what I read on the list, Jesse did a great deal of the work in making it what it is and has done a fine job.
I was waiting on Spindle before moving to 4.x. Now what do I do? I guess the question is what of 4.x do I need? For our application, 3.x is doing what we need. And if it is doing what I need what do I gain from 4.x? I guess I would gain that I am on the current release with necessary bug fixes and enhancements. And probably new and improved components.
When 5.x comes out, I will have to decide whether to switch or not. Once again what will my ROI be on the move to 5.x?
What if I waited for 5.x and it never comes? What if I switch to 4.x and then 5.x arrives shortly after? Will 5.x go the route of Spindle? Bottom-line is that there isn't an intuitively obvious upgrade route. What I have is "FUD", Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
Sent: Tue 8/29/2006 10:13 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Progress Bar
It is an open source project, anyone can make Tap3 / 4 / 5 anything they
want it to be.
I work on 4.X because that's what I currently enjoy.
On 8/29/06, Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com> wrote:
>
> Some of us have a large projects. Or could it be that Tapestry >
> 3.999999999999 is so unstable as to be not worth the effort. First,
> there isn't a Spindle product, then there is and now there isn't. Then
> 4.x is the Holy Grail of web frameworks until Howard starts making is so
> incompatible with 3.x that he has to divide it into 4.x and 5.x. And of
> the three which is compatible with the others? NONE!!! So, do we upgrade
> to 4.x and then later to 5.x or do we skip 4.x because 5.x is coming soon
> and who wants to repeat the same upgrade twice or do we sit on 3.x and
> wait for the dust to settle. And it is so much fun knowing that we are on a
> DEAD branch with no new components or real enhancements.
>
> I think I will switch to Swing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
> Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 7:54 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Progress Bar
>
> From the sound of things it seems like you must either really enjoy pain
> or
> have an incredibly large project that would prevent you from upgrading to
> 4.1 ;)
>
> On 8/28/06, Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > guys,
> >
> > is there a component available for tap3 for a progress bar or anything
> > else which can help me display a progress bar.
> >
> > now i am thinking of generating something myself using a frames and
> > constantly updating the main page with the status (1%, 50%, 100% and
> > so on). this can be using either css or something else. but if there
> > is something within tapestry i can use, it would save me time.
> >
> > any ideas.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
>
>
>
--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
Re: Progress Bar
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
It is an open source project, anyone can make Tap3 / 4 / 5 anything they
want it to be.
I work on 4.X because that's what I currently enjoy.
On 8/29/06, Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com> wrote:
>
> Some of us have a large projects. Or could it be that Tapestry >
> 3.999999999999 is so unstable as to be not worth the effort. First,
> there isn't a Spindle product, then there is and now there isn't. Then
> 4.x is the Holy Grail of web frameworks until Howard starts making is so
> incompatible with 3.x that he has to divide it into 4.x and 5.x. And of
> the three which is compatible with the others? NONE!!! So, do we upgrade
> to 4.x and then later to 5.x or do we skip 4.x because 5.x is coming soon
> and who wants to repeat the same upgrade twice or do we sit on 3.x and
> wait for the dust to settle. And it is so much fun knowing that we are on a
> DEAD branch with no new components or real enhancements.
>
> I think I will switch to Swing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
> Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 7:54 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Progress Bar
>
> From the sound of things it seems like you must either really enjoy pain
> or
> have an incredibly large project that would prevent you from upgrading to
> 4.1 ;)
>
> On 8/28/06, Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > guys,
> >
> > is there a component available for tap3 for a progress bar or anything
> > else which can help me display a progress bar.
> >
> > now i am thinking of generating something myself using a frames and
> > constantly updating the main page with the status (1%, 50%, 100% and
> > so on). this can be using either css or something else. but if there
> > is something within tapestry i can use, it would save me time.
> >
> > any ideas.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
>
>
>
--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
RE: Progress Bar
Posted by Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>.
Some of us have a large projects. Or could it be that Tapestry > 3.999999999999 is so unstable as to be not worth the effort. First, there isn't a Spindle product, then there is and now there isn't. Then 4.x is the Holy Grail of web frameworks until Howard starts making is so incompatible with 3.x that he has to divide it into 4.x and 5.x. And of the three which is compatible with the others? NONE!!! So, do we upgrade to 4.x and then later to 5.x or do we skip 4.x because 5.x is coming soon and who wants to repeat the same upgrade twice or do we sit on 3.x and wait for the dust to settle. And it is so much fun knowing that we are on a DEAD branch with no new components or real enhancements.
I think I will switch to Swing.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 7:54 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Progress Bar
>From the sound of things it seems like you must either really enjoy pain or
have an incredibly large project that would prevent you from upgrading to
4.1 ;)
On 8/28/06, Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> guys,
>
> is there a component available for tap3 for a progress bar or anything
> else which can help me display a progress bar.
>
> now i am thinking of generating something myself using a frames and
> constantly updating the main page with the status (1%, 50%, 100% and
> so on). this can be using either css or something else. but if there
> is something within tapestry i can use, it would save me time.
>
> any ideas.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>
>
--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com
Re: Progress Bar
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
>From the sound of things it seems like you must either really enjoy pain or
have an incredibly large project that would prevent you from upgrading to
4.1 ;)
On 8/28/06, Peter Dawn <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> guys,
>
> is there a component available for tap3 for a progress bar or anything
> else which can help me display a progress bar.
>
> now i am thinking of generating something myself using a frames and
> constantly updating the main page with the status (1%, 50%, 100% and
> so on). this can be using either css or something else. but if there
> is something within tapestry i can use, it would save me time.
>
> any ideas.
>
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Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com