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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> on 2007/10/19 12:54:29 UTC
Downloading OFBiz
I've recently got some feedback from different people interested in
evaluating OFBiz, plus other interesting comments in these lists
(problems downloading by svn when the bandwidth is poor)... it seems
that many of they had problems to find an easy way to download OFBiz.
I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
the product.
Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released, they
will have a file to download; however I don't think that the release 4.0
will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the trunk is
the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as suggested by
Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of the
month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
What do you think?
Jacopo
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Looks like very promising.
Thanks Adam !
Jacques
De : "Adam Heath" <do...@brainfood.com>
> Vince M. Clark wrote:
> > +1 for packaging! Ultimately it is important to support as many platforms as possible, but Debian is a great start.
> >
> > What OfBiz "version" do you base your packages on? Also, do you assume a particular database, or require one as a package
dependency? Does your packaging provide any "smart" setup such as prompting for database username/pw?
>
> I've done several upgrades to it. Started last February. I'm currently
> mostly tracking against HEAD. I could produce ones against a release
> target if need be.
>
> No, I don't assume any particular database. The package I built
> suggests mysql or postgres(but doesn't depend). Then, during
> installation, I use debconf, combined with dbconfig-common, to configure
> the database. I query which are installed, then ask which you want to
> use. In addition to the two above, I also support configuring derby,
> which runs embedded inside ofbiz.
>
> dbconfig-common takes care of prompting for database values; namely,
> host/port/dbname/username/password. I then take that info, and use it
> to drive an xslt that modifies entityengine.xml.
>
> I've moved all config/, data/, ofbiz-component.xml, servicedef/,
> component-load.xml, controller.xml, web.xml, *.css, ftl templates into
> /etc/ofbiz, and they get treated as dpkg conffiles.
>
> Runtime data is moved into /var/lib/ofbiz, and log data into /var/log/ofbiz.
>
> However, as far as the java runtime is concerned, everything looks
> normal; I make symlinks to the above from /usr/share/ofbiz.
>
> I compile all java code, but do *not* ship it as part of the package. I
> only ship the jars in build/lib.
>
> I have one main ofbiz package, then an ofbiz-specialpurpose. I should
> probably split out ofbiz-applications, but haven't done so yet. I don't
> want to micro-package, as it makes it more difficult to understand.
>
> The last version I uploaded to our local repository is based on 582338.
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
Vince M. Clark wrote:
> +1 for packaging! Ultimately it is important to support as many platforms as possible, but Debian is a great start.
>
> What OfBiz "version" do you base your packages on? Also, do you assume a particular database, or require one as a package dependency? Does your packaging provide any "smart" setup such as prompting for database username/pw?
I've done several upgrades to it. Started last February. I'm currently
mostly tracking against HEAD. I could produce ones against a release
target if need be.
No, I don't assume any particular database. The package I built
suggests mysql or postgres(but doesn't depend). Then, during
installation, I use debconf, combined with dbconfig-common, to configure
the database. I query which are installed, then ask which you want to
use. In addition to the two above, I also support configuring derby,
which runs embedded inside ofbiz.
dbconfig-common takes care of prompting for database values; namely,
host/port/dbname/username/password. I then take that info, and use it
to drive an xslt that modifies entityengine.xml.
I've moved all config/, data/, ofbiz-component.xml, servicedef/,
component-load.xml, controller.xml, web.xml, *.css, ftl templates into
/etc/ofbiz, and they get treated as dpkg conffiles.
Runtime data is moved into /var/lib/ofbiz, and log data into /var/log/ofbiz.
However, as far as the java runtime is concerned, everything looks
normal; I make symlinks to the above from /usr/share/ofbiz.
I compile all java code, but do *not* ship it as part of the package. I
only ship the jars in build/lib.
I have one main ofbiz package, then an ofbiz-specialpurpose. I should
probably split out ofbiz-applications, but haven't done so yet. I don't
want to micro-package, as it makes it more difficult to understand.
The last version I uploaded to our local repository is based on 582338.
Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
Just a note on the "build.xml Still Not Working" thread
The problem was not that ofbiz was not ready to run
but that the user attempted to change the OOTB configuration and was
having problems.
Possibly an update to the configuration page would clear this up.
Gavin Bee sent the following on 10/21/2007 9:10 AM:
> Jacopo,
>
> I completely agree that there should be an easy way to download. I think
> that I disagree with how and what should be made available.
>
> OFBiz should distribute the most recently released version in the same way
> as other ASF projects. See http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases.
>
> New users want to evaluate something that works immediately. The "build.xml
> Still Not Working" thread on the user ML is an example of an experience that
> a new user should not have. Trunk and weekly builds are great for existing
> users that want to try out new features and bug fixes. However, these types
> of builds frequently have missing bits - like documentation - that result in
> a negative experience for a new user.
>
> If 4.0 is not ready for release then is there an earlier version that could
> be used?
>
> The 4.0 release branch has been around for 5 months. What are the criteria
> that need to be satisfied in order to release?
>
> Gavin :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
> Sent: October 20, 2007 2:03 AM
> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org; user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
> OFBiz]
>
> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
>
> Here is the content of the original message:
>
> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to download and
> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth connection to
> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be able
> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive, unpack
> it and run "ant run-install".
>
> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released, they
> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the release 4.0
> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the trunk is
> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
>
> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as suggested by
> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of the
> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>
> What do you think?
>
> Jacopo
>
>
>
>
>
RE: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading OFBiz]
Posted by Gavin Bee <ga...@gwenandgavin.ca>.
Jacopo,
I completely agree that there should be an easy way to download. I think
that I disagree with how and what should be made available.
OFBiz should distribute the most recently released version in the same way
as other ASF projects. See http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases.
New users want to evaluate something that works immediately. The "build.xml
Still Not Working" thread on the user ML is an example of an experience that
a new user should not have. Trunk and weekly builds are great for existing
users that want to try out new features and bug fixes. However, these types
of builds frequently have missing bits - like documentation - that result in
a negative experience for a new user.
If 4.0 is not ready for release then is there an earlier version that could
be used?
The 4.0 release branch has been around for 5 months. What are the criteria
that need to be satisfied in order to release?
Gavin :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
Sent: October 20, 2007 2:03 AM
To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org; user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
Here is the content of the original message:
I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to download and
run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth connection to
the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be able
to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive, unpack
it and run "ant run-install".
Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released, they
will have a file to download; however I don't think that the release 4.0
will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the trunk is
the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as suggested by
Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of the
month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
What do you think?
Jacopo
Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
LGTM (Looks good to me) ;-)
Thanks Jacques!
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>
> I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
> added")
>
> Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
> After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
> than the original.
> It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy) than
> the original, but easier to read ?
>
> WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?
>
> Jacques
>
> De : "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>
>>I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
>>and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
>>to reduce long term effort required...
>>
>>-David
>>
>>
>>On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
>>>out with
>>>it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
>>>>enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
>>>>
>>>>Here is the content of the original message:
>>>>
>>>>I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
>>>>compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
>>>>the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
>>>>download and
>>>>run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
>>>>connection to
>>>>the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
>>>>able
>>>>to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
>>>>unpack
>>>>it and run "ant run-install".
>>>>
>>>>Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
>>>>they
>>>>will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
>>>>release 4.0
>>>>will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
>>>>trunk is
>>>>the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
>>>>
>>>>A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
>>>>suggested by
>>>>Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
>>>>publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
>>>>website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
>>>>the
>>>>month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>>>>
>>>>What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Jacopo,
I believe my last version http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww (KISS enhanced) is better, WDYTF ?
Jacques
PS : this is really interesting to not overlook new features added. I invite everybody (specifically contributors and commiters) to
look at it and add comments if needed (if you see something you think important forgotten or put in the last features group : Misc)
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
À : <de...@ofbiz.apache.org>
Envoyé : vendredi 26 octobre 2007 09:08
Objet : Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading OFBiz]
> Jacques,
>
> thanks for your help!
> About the layout; I don't know, but maybe a list based page it is easier
> to quickly read:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs
>
> rather than the paragraph based new one:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww
>
> Of course, I'm not saying that the original is better, there are a lot
> of layout and content improvements that could be done to it.
>
> I'd like to get the feedback from others.
>
> Jacopo
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >
> > I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
> > added")
> >
> > Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
> > After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
> > than the original.
> > It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy)
than
> > the original, but easier to read ?
> >
> > WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > De : "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >> I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
> >> and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
> >> to reduce long term effort required...
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
> >>> out with
> >>> it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>> On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
> >>>> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
> >>>> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is the content of the original message:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> >>>> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> >>>> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
> >>>> download and
> >>>> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
> >>>> connection to
> >>>> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
> >>>> able
> >>>> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
> >>>> unpack
> >>>> it and run "ant run-install".
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
> >>>> they
> >>>> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
> >>>> release 4.0
> >>>> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
> >>>> trunk is
> >>>> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
> >>>>
> >>>> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
> >>>> suggested by
> >>>> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> >>>> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> >>>> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
> >>>> the
> >>>> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you think?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacopo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Jacopo,
After a short night, I agree. I was in doubt yesterday, but it's clear this morning.
I will just refined the list based page (using 2 or more levels like I did for widgets)
We may wait a bit for other opinions, though...
Jacques
De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
> Jacques,
>
> thanks for your help!
> About the layout; I don't know, but maybe a list based page it is easier
> to quickly read:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs
>
> rather than the paragraph based new one:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww
>
> Of course, I'm not saying that the original is better, there are a lot
> of layout and content improvements that could be done to it.
>
> I'd like to get the feedback from others.
>
> Jacopo
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >
> > I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
> > added")
> >
> > Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
> > After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
> > than the original.
> > It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy)
than
> > the original, but easier to read ?
> >
> > WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > De : "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >> I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
> >> and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
> >> to reduce long term effort required...
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
> >>> out with
> >>> it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>> On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
> >>>> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
> >>>> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is the content of the original message:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> >>>> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> >>>> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
> >>>> download and
> >>>> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
> >>>> connection to
> >>>> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
> >>>> able
> >>>> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
> >>>> unpack
> >>>> it and run "ant run-install".
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
> >>>> they
> >>>> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
> >>>> release 4.0
> >>>> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
> >>>> trunk is
> >>>> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
> >>>>
> >>>> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
> >>>> suggested by
> >>>> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> >>>> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> >>>> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
> >>>> the
> >>>> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you think?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacopo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
Jacques,
thanks for your help!
About the layout; I don't know, but maybe a list based page it is easier
to quickly read:
http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs
rather than the paragraph based new one:
http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww
Of course, I'm not saying that the original is better, there are a lot
of layout and content improvements that could be done to it.
I'd like to get the feedback from others.
Jacopo
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>
> I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
> added")
>
> Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
> After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
> than the original.
> It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy) than
> the original, but easier to read ?
>
> WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?
>
> Jacques
>
> De : "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
>> and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
>> to reduce long term effort required...
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
>>> out with
>>> it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
>>>> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
>>>> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the content of the original message:
>>>>
>>>> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
>>>> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
>>>> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
>>>> download and
>>>> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
>>>> connection to
>>>> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
>>>> able
>>>> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
>>>> unpack
>>>> it and run "ant run-install".
>>>>
>>>> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
>>>> they
>>>> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
>>>> release 4.0
>>>> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
>>>> trunk is
>>>> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
>>>>
>>>> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
>>>> suggested by
>>>> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
>>>> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
>>>> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
>>>> the
>>>> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
added")
Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
than the original.
It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy) than
the original, but easier to read ?
WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?
Jacques
De : "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>
> I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
> and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
> to reduce long term effort required...
>
> -David
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>
> > Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
> > out with
> > it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
> >>
> >> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
> >> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
> >>
> >> Here is the content of the original message:
> >>
> >> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> >> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> >> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
> >> download and
> >> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
> >> connection to
> >> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
> >> able
> >> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
> >> unpack
> >> it and run "ant run-install".
> >>
> >> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
> >> they
> >> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
> >> release 4.0
> >> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
> >> trunk is
> >> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
> >>
> >> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
> >> suggested by
> >> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> >> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> >> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
> >> the
> >> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Jacopo
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading OFBiz]
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
to reduce long term effort required...
-David
On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
> Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
> out with
> it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
>
> Scott
>
> On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
>>
>> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
>> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
>>
>> Here is the content of the original message:
>>
>> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
>> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
>> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
>> download and
>> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
>> connection to
>> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
>> able
>> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
>> unpack
>> it and run "ant run-install".
>>
>> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
>> they
>> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
>> release 4.0
>> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
>> trunk is
>> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
>>
>> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
>> suggested by
>> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
>> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
>> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
>> the
>> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>>
Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading OFBiz]
Posted by Scott Gray <le...@gmail.com>.
Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help out with
it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
Scott
On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
>
> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
>
> Here is the content of the original message:
>
> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to download and
> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth connection to
> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be able
> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive, unpack
> it and run "ant run-install".
>
> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released, they
> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the release 4.0
> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the trunk is
> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
>
> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as suggested by
> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of the
> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>
> What do you think?
>
> Jacopo
>
>
>
Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
Here is the content of the original message:
I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to download and
run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth connection to
the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be able
to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive, unpack
it and run "ant run-install".
Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released, they
will have a file to download; however I don't think that the release 4.0
will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the trunk is
the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as suggested by
Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of the
month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
What do you think?
Jacopo
Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading
OFBiz]
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
Here is the content of the original message:
I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to download and
run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth connection to
the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be able
to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive, unpack
it and run "ant run-install".
Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released, they
will have a file to download; however I don't think that the release 4.0
will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the trunk is
the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as suggested by
Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of the
month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
What do you think?
Jacopo
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by "Vince M. Clark" <vc...@globalera.com>.
+1 for packaging! Ultimately it is important to support as many platforms as possible, but Debian is a great start.
What OfBiz "version" do you base your packages on? Also, do you assume a particular database, or require one as a package dependency? Does your packaging provide any "smart" setup such as prompting for database username/pw?
Vince Clark
Global Era
The Freedom of Open Source
vclark@globalera.com
(303) 493-6723
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:55:42 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver
Subject: Re: Downloading OFBiz
De : "Adam Heath" <do...@brainfood.com>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > Not everybody use Debian
>
> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host their
> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we have
> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>
> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other packaging
> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make it
> work in debian.
This is great and I hope one day we will be able to finalise it !
I was not thinking about rpms only, Windows users exist too...
Jacques
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
De : "Adam Heath" <do...@brainfood.com>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > Not everybody use Debian
>
> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host their
> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we have
> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>
> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other packaging
> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make it
> work in debian.
This is great and I hope one day we will be able to finalise it !
I was not thinking about rpms only, Windows users exist too...
Jacques
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
This could even be an ant target in the top level build.xml file.
-David
On Oct 26, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> I agree with starting with a simple script to get a monthly source
> tarball; then we can get more feedback and possibly improve the
> strategy.
>
> What are the next steps?
> After reviewing the Apache Infrastructure guidelines (http://
> apache.org/dev/release.html), it seems that the right location for
> svn snapshots for Apache projects is in people.apache.org/builds
>
> Is there anyone here who can help to prepare a script to automate
> the process (svn export|tar ...|mv ...); where should the script
> reside?
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> Ray Barlow wrote:
>> +1 for the simple tar/zip download principle as a monthly head
>> build and
>> as David suggests it's needs a script of some sort to make it's
>> creation
>> simple. Go with the KISS principle.
>> I'm not so sure on the SVN inclusion as I've had problems in the past
>> trying to transfer deployments across platforms i.e. copying a
>> Windows
>> based SVN checkout onto a Linux based OS or vice versa and then
>> trying
>> to use SVN commands like "svn up" invariably it would result in
>> errors
>> about SVN version incompatibilities. That's even when both
>> platforms are
>> running recent distros with updates.
>> I would see this as the base for the debian and rpms deployments
>> i.e. if
>> brainfood or others were up for it they could take the monthly simple
>> tar/zip package and repackage for apt etc.
>> Ray
>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>>> Having both will be good.
>>>
>>> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily
>>> upgrade/update in future. This is needed even by newbies who may
>>> need
>>> to conveniently pull in critical updates, esp if they're playing
>>> with
>>> trunk.
>>>
>>> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who
>>> do not
>>> intend to do any incremental updates in future. That means they'll
>>> have to re-download a whole bunch for future versions.
>>>
>>> Jonathon
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good
>>>> open
>>>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
I agree with starting with a simple script to get a monthly source
tarball; then we can get more feedback and possibly improve the strategy.
What are the next steps?
After reviewing the Apache Infrastructure guidelines
(http://apache.org/dev/release.html), it seems that the right location
for svn snapshots for Apache projects is in people.apache.org/builds
Is there anyone here who can help to prepare a script to automate the
process (svn export|tar ...|mv ...); where should the script reside?
Jacopo
Ray Barlow wrote:
> +1 for the simple tar/zip download principle as a monthly head build and
> as David suggests it's needs a script of some sort to make it's creation
> simple. Go with the KISS principle.
>
> I'm not so sure on the SVN inclusion as I've had problems in the past
> trying to transfer deployments across platforms i.e. copying a Windows
> based SVN checkout onto a Linux based OS or vice versa and then trying
> to use SVN commands like "svn up" invariably it would result in errors
> about SVN version incompatibilities. That's even when both platforms are
> running recent distros with updates.
>
> I would see this as the base for the debian and rpms deployments i.e. if
> brainfood or others were up for it they could take the monthly simple
> tar/zip package and repackage for apt etc.
>
> Ray
>
>
> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>> Having both will be good.
>>
>> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily
>> upgrade/update in future. This is needed even by newbies who may need
>> to conveniently pull in critical updates, esp if they're playing with
>> trunk.
>>
>> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
>> intend to do any incremental updates in future. That means they'll
>> have to re-download a whole bunch for future versions.
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
>>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Ray Barlow <ra...@makeyour-point.com>.
+1 for the simple tar/zip download principle as a monthly head build and
as David suggests it's needs a script of some sort to make it's creation
simple. Go with the KISS principle.
I'm not so sure on the SVN inclusion as I've had problems in the past
trying to transfer deployments across platforms i.e. copying a Windows
based SVN checkout onto a Linux based OS or vice versa and then trying
to use SVN commands like "svn up" invariably it would result in errors
about SVN version incompatibilities. That's even when both platforms are
running recent distros with updates.
I would see this as the base for the debian and rpms deployments i.e. if
brainfood or others were up for it they could take the monthly simple
tar/zip package and repackage for apt etc.
Ray
Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
> Having both will be good.
>
> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily
> upgrade/update in future. This is needed even by newbies who may need
> to conveniently pull in critical updates, esp if they're playing with
> trunk.
>
> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
> intend to do any incremental updates in future. That means they'll
> have to re-download a whole bunch for future versions.
>
> Jonathon
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>
>> Jacques
>>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
if only there were as many people to do the work that suggest the work
:)
Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 10/25/2007 5:46 PM:
> More possibilities, more opportunities... Still have to do the thing, though
>
> Jacques
>
> De : "Jonathon -- Improov" <jo...@improov.com>
>
>
>> Wouldn't that be better served by the demo OFBiz?
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>> I don't think the download is intended to be a replacement for a checkout
>>> but more a simple download for a complete newbie to do an initial
>>> evaluation, if they like what they see then they can figure out svn.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 22/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com> wrote:
>>>> Having both will be good.
>>>>
>>>> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update
>>>> in future. This is
>>>> needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical
>>>> updates, esp if they're
>>>> playing with trunk.
>>>>
>>>> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
>>>> intend to do any
>>>> incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a
>>>> whole bunch for future
>>>> versions.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathon
>>>>
>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
>>>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jonathon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>>>>>>> Jacques is right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
>>>>>>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
>>>>>>> to install SVN, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
>>>>>> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the
>>>> primary
>>>>>> download file:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) the file is bigger
>>>>>> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
>>>>>> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
>>>>>> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
>>>>>> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
>>>>>> hardware) but we should consider this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
>>>>>>> version (generated with svn export).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to
>>>> use
>>>>>>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
>>>>>>> many IT professionals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jonathon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam Heath wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not everybody use Debian
>>>>>>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host
>>>> their
>>>>>>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other
>>>> packaging
>>>>>>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make
>>>> it
>>>>>>>> work in debian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
More possibilities, more opportunities... Still have to do the thing, though
Jacques
De : "Jonathon -- Improov" <jo...@improov.com>
> Wouldn't that be better served by the demo OFBiz?
>
> Jonathon
>
> Scott Gray wrote:
> > I don't think the download is intended to be a replacement for a checkout
> > but more a simple download for a complete newbie to do an initial
> > evaluation, if they like what they see then they can figure out svn.
> >
> > Regards
> > Scott
> >
> > On 22/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com> wrote:
> >> Having both will be good.
> >>
> >> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update
> >> in future. This is
> >> needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical
> >> updates, esp if they're
> >> playing with trunk.
> >>
> >> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
> >> intend to do any
> >> incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a
> >> whole bunch for future
> >> versions.
> >>
> >> Jonathon
> >>
> >> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
> >> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
> >>> Jacques
> >>>
> >>> De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Jonathon,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
> >>>>> Jacques is right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
> >>>>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
> >>>>> to install SVN, of course.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
> >>>> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the
> >> primary
> >>>> download file:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) the file is bigger
> >>>> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
> >>>> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
> >>>> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
> >>>> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
> >>>> hardware) but we should consider this
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacopo
> >>>>
> >>>>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
> >>>>> version (generated with svn export).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to
> >> use
> >>>>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
> >>>>> many IT professionals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jonathon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Adam Heath wrote:
> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>>>> Not everybody use Debian
> >>>>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host
> >> their
> >>>>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we
> >> have
> >>>>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other
> >> packaging
> >>>>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make
> >> it
> >>>>>> work in debian.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 3:09 PM
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
Wouldn't that be better served by the demo OFBiz?
Jonathon
Scott Gray wrote:
> I don't think the download is intended to be a replacement for a checkout
> but more a simple download for a complete newbie to do an initial
> evaluation, if they like what they see then they can figure out svn.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 22/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com> wrote:
>> Having both will be good.
>>
>> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update
>> in future. This is
>> needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical
>> updates, esp if they're
>> playing with trunk.
>>
>> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
>> intend to do any
>> incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a
>> whole bunch for future
>> versions.
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jonathon,
>>>>
>>>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>>>>> Jacques is right.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
>>>>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
>>>>> to install SVN, of course.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
>>>> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the
>> primary
>>>> download file:
>>>>
>>>> 1) the file is bigger
>>>> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
>>>> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
>>>> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
>>>> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
>>>> hardware) but we should consider this
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
>>>>> version (generated with svn export).
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to
>> use
>>>>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
>>>>> many IT professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathon
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Heath wrote:
>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>> Not everybody use Debian
>>>>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host
>> their
>>>>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we
>> have
>>>>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other
>> packaging
>>>>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make
>> it
>>>>>> work in debian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 3:09 PM
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Scott Gray <le...@gmail.com>.
I don't think the download is intended to be a replacement for a checkout
but more a simple download for a complete newbie to do an initial
evaluation, if they like what they see then they can figure out svn.
Regards
Scott
On 22/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com> wrote:
>
> Having both will be good.
>
> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update
> in future. This is
> needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical
> updates, esp if they're
> playing with trunk.
>
> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
> intend to do any
> incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a
> whole bunch for future
> versions.
>
> Jonathon
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
> >
> >> Hi Jonathon,
> >>
> >> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
> >>> Jacques is right.
> >>>
> >>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
> >>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
> >>> to install SVN, of course.
> >>>
> >> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
> >> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the
> primary
> >> download file:
> >>
> >> 1) the file is bigger
> >> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
> >> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
> >> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
> >> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
> >> hardware) but we should consider this
> >>
> >> Jacopo
> >>
> >>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
> >>> version (generated with svn export).
> >>>
> >>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to
> use
> >>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
> >>> many IT professionals.
> >>>
> >>> Jonathon
> >>>
> >>> Adam Heath wrote:
> >>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>> Not everybody use Debian
> >>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host
> their
> >>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we
> have
> >>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
> >>>>
> >>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other
> packaging
> >>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make
> it
> >>>> work in debian.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
Having both will be good.
The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update in future. This is
needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical updates, esp if they're
playing with trunk.
The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not intend to do any
incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a whole bunch for future
versions.
Jonathon
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>
> Jacques
>
> De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
>
>> Hi Jonathon,
>>
>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>>> Jacques is right.
>>>
>>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
>>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
>>> to install SVN, of course.
>>>
>> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
>> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the primary
>> download file:
>>
>> 1) the file is bigger
>> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
>> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
>> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
>> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
>> hardware) but we should consider this
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
>>> version (generated with svn export).
>>>
>>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to use
>>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
>>> many IT professionals.
>>>
>>> Jonathon
>>>
>>> Adam Heath wrote:
>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> Not everybody use Debian
>>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host their
>>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we have
>>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>>>>
>>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other packaging
>>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make it
>>>> work in debian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
Jacques
De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
> Hi Jonathon,
>
> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
> > Jacques is right.
> >
> > The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
> > that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
> > to install SVN, of course.
> >
>
> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the primary
> download file:
>
> 1) the file is bigger
> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
> hardware) but we should consider this
>
> Jacopo
>
> > And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
> > version (generated with svn export).
> >
> > I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to use
> > SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
> > many IT professionals.
> >
> > Jonathon
> >
> > Adam Heath wrote:
> >> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>> Not everybody use Debian
> >>
> >> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host their
> >> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we have
> >> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
> >>
> >> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other packaging
> >> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make it
> >> work in debian.
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
Hi Jonathon,
Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
> Jacques is right.
>
> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
> to install SVN, of course.
>
I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the primary
download file:
1) the file is bigger
2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
hardware) but we should consider this
Jacopo
> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
> version (generated with svn export).
>
> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to use
> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
> many IT professionals.
>
> Jonathon
>
> Adam Heath wrote:
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Not everybody use Debian
>>
>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host their
>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we have
>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>>
>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other packaging
>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make it
>> work in debian.
>>
>>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
Jacques is right.
The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And that is to publish a tarball
of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need to install SVN, of course.
And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN version (generated with svn export).
I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to use SVN. Version control
concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among many IT professionals.
Jonathon
Adam Heath wrote:
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Not everybody use Debian
>
> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host their
> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we have
> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>
> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other packaging
> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make it
> work in debian.
>
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Not everybody use Debian
This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host their
own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we have
no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other packaging
systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make it
work in debian.
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Not everybody use Debian
Jacques
De : "Adam Heath" <do...@brainfood.com>
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
> > [snip]
>
> > What do you think?
>
> apt-get install ofbiz
>
> We(brainfood) have been doing that locally since february.
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
guo weizhan wrote:
> +2 :)
>
> 2007/10/19, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>:
>> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>> What do you think?
>> apt-get install ofbiz
>>
>> We(brainfood) have been doing that locally since february.
To expand on this: it depends on mysql or postgres. It uses
dbconfig-common, to prompt for the database to use. In addition to the
2 above, it also allows you to select derby. Then it asks for the
username/password(generating the latter randomly if not given). It
creates a seed data file on the fly, to handle certain parameters that
need to be changed(ofbiz@yahoo.com, password for the admin accounts, etc).
The only thing it doesn't do is actually do the initial database
creation/installation. It does print out the cmdline needed to do that;
I just haven't finished the logic to run that only during initial installs.
There is a proper init script, and ofbiz runs as a separate user(I bet
you can guess which).
Files are stored correctly for FHS; /var/log /usr/share /etc.
I'm fairly happy with the packaging, except for the one item listed above.
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by guo weizhan <gu...@gmail.com>.
+2 :)
2007/10/19, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>:
>
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
> > [snip]
>
> > What do you think?
>
> apt-get install ofbiz
>
> We(brainfood) have been doing that locally since february.
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
Adam Heath wrote:
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>
>> What do you think?
>
> apt-get install ofbiz
>
> We(brainfood) have been doing that locally since february.
Interesting idea but... isn't this for Linux only?
Jacopo
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
Adam Heath wrote:
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>
>> What do you think?
>
> apt-get install ofbiz
>
> We(brainfood) have been doing that locally since february.
Interesting idea but... isn't this for Linux only?
Jacopo
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> [snip]
> What do you think?
apt-get install ofbiz
We(brainfood) have been doing that locally since february.
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
+1
Jacques
De : "Vu Hong Thuan" <th...@gmail.com>
> I vote for this interesting way. It help to broadcast ofbiz widely.
>
> 2007/10/19, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>:
> >
> > I've recently got some feedback from different people interested in
> > evaluating OFBiz, plus other interesting comments in these lists
> > (problems downloading by svn when the bandwidth is poor)... it seems
> > that many of they had problems to find an easy way to download OFBiz.
> >
> > I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> > compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> > the product.
> >
> > Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released, they
> > will have a file to download; however I don't think that the release 4.0
> > will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the trunk is
> > the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
> >
> > A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as suggested by
> > Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> > publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> > website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of the
> > month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Vũ Hồng Thuận
> Công ty Phần mềm và Truyền thông Việt Nam, NAMMEDIA, INC.
> Email: thuanvh@nammedia.com
> Web: http://www.nammedia.com
> ĐT: (84)-04-5680964 - Fax: (84)-04-5681083
> DĐ: 0984328513
>
> Vu Hong Thuan
> Vietnam Software and Communication Company. NAMMEDIA. INC
> Email: thuanvh@nammedia.com
> Web: http://www.nammedia.com
> Phone: (84)-04-5680964 - Fax: (84)-04-5681083
> Mobile: (84)-984328513
>
Re: Downloading OFBiz
Posted by Vu Hong Thuan <th...@gmail.com>.
I vote for this interesting way. It help to broadcast ofbiz widely.
2007/10/19, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>:
>
> I've recently got some feedback from different people interested in
> evaluating OFBiz, plus other interesting comments in these lists
> (problems downloading by svn when the bandwidth is poor)... it seems
> that many of they had problems to find an easy way to download OFBiz.
>
> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> the product.
>
> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released, they
> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the release 4.0
> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the trunk is
> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
>
> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as suggested by
> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of the
> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>
> What do you think?
>
> Jacopo
>
>
>
>
--
Vũ Hồng Thuận
Công ty Phần mềm và Truyền thông Việt Nam, NAMMEDIA, INC.
Email: thuanvh@nammedia.com
Web: http://www.nammedia.com
ĐT: (84)-04-5680964 - Fax: (84)-04-5681083
DĐ: 0984328513
Vu Hong Thuan
Vietnam Software and Communication Company. NAMMEDIA. INC
Email: thuanvh@nammedia.com
Web: http://www.nammedia.com
Phone: (84)-04-5680964 - Fax: (84)-04-5681083
Mobile: (84)-984328513