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Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Hello all,
Since I had several issues with NB 13 (see
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050), I tried different JVMs.
I notice that the only one not generating warnings in the log (for example
related to missing Truffle classes) is GraalVM 17. I have to say that I am
a bit surprise in this regard since it is not specified anywhere and this
disables the possibility to design or use UI previews with JFX components.
Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
Best regards,
JMB
Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Posted by Svata Dedic <sv...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
NetBeans relies on an embedded Graal.js (which includes Truffle
libraries) for parsing javascript PAC proxy configuration. There was a
bug in NB-13 until almost NB14 release in bad metadata in a wrapper jar
that blocked some classes from loading - they were moved in Truffle to
another package.
NB14 should be fine AFAIK (or at least I hope - I checked this when
signing off the release).
The workaround for the earlier releases is to specify proxy settings
manually in the Tools | Options; the js support is only attempted if the
autoconfiguration is used && PAC resource is actually available at the
runtime.
-S.
Dne 12. 06. 22 v 11:05 Jean-Marc Borer napsal(a):
> Ok so before filing a bug, I want to retry with NB 14. I was looking for
> the packages released for the vote. They are no longer available. Do you
> know where I can find them?
>
> JM
>
> PS: I am working in a very complicated (secured) professional environment
> and I clearly push NB into certain limits especially what relates to secure
> proxies, certificate handling and white listed sites. At home, I don't have
> such constraints and would certainly not notice these issues.
>
> We still use NB platform even for new apps. My concern is therefore that
> the platform properly runs in our environment and it starts with NB IDE.
> Currently I still use 12.4 with JDK 8, which is rather robust.
> Unfortunately I still cannot say the same with NB 13 and JDK 17, but I try
> to make it happen as much as I can, but there are a lot of areas in the IDE
> that clearly don't know yet to properly diagnose my issues.
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:55 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I’m surprised too. And obviously NetBeans is not supposed to run only
>> on GraalVM, you know the answer to that question, and that this is a bug.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:53, Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Geertjan,
>>>
>>> Well yes and no. I am surprised that NB seems to, somehow, rely on
>> Truffle
>>> classes during startup. As I am not a JVM expert, I was not knowing what
>>> Truffle is. By the way, is NB now supposed to only run on GraalVM? Same
>>> question for NB platform based applications, which is actually my
>> concern.
>>>
>>> JM
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga
>>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You’re surprised that messages about missing Truffle classes do not
>>> appear
>>>> when you use GraalVM?
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:42, Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I had several issues with NB 13 (see
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050), I tried different
>>> JVMs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice that the only one not generating warnings in the log (for
>>>> example
>>>>> related to missing Truffle classes) is GraalVM 17. I have to say
>> that I
>>>> am
>>>>> a bit surprise in this regard since it is not specified anywhere and
>>> this
>>>>> disables the possibility to design or use UI previews with JFX
>>>> components.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> JMB
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Posted by Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com>.
Ok so before filing a bug, I want to retry with NB 14. I was looking for
the packages released for the vote. They are no longer available. Do you
know where I can find them?
JM
PS: I am working in a very complicated (secured) professional environment
and I clearly push NB into certain limits especially what relates to secure
proxies, certificate handling and white listed sites. At home, I don't have
such constraints and would certainly not notice these issues.
We still use NB platform even for new apps. My concern is therefore that
the platform properly runs in our environment and it starts with NB IDE.
Currently I still use 12.4 with JDK 8, which is rather robust.
Unfortunately I still cannot say the same with NB 13 and JDK 17, but I try
to make it happen as much as I can, but there are a lot of areas in the IDE
that clearly don't know yet to properly diagnose my issues.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:55 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Yes, I’m surprised too. And obviously NetBeans is not supposed to run only
> on GraalVM, you know the answer to that question, and that this is a bug.
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:53, Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Geertjan,
> >
> > Well yes and no. I am surprised that NB seems to, somehow, rely on
> Truffle
> > classes during startup. As I am not a JVM expert, I was not knowing what
> > Truffle is. By the way, is NB now supposed to only run on GraalVM? Same
> > question for NB platform based applications, which is actually my
> concern.
> >
> > JM
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > You’re surprised that messages about missing Truffle classes do not
> > appear
> > > when you use GraalVM?
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:42, Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Since I had several issues with NB 13 (see
> > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050), I tried different
> > JVMs.
> > > >
> > > > I notice that the only one not generating warnings in the log (for
> > > example
> > > > related to missing Truffle classes) is GraalVM 17. I have to say
> that I
> > > am
> > > > a bit surprise in this regard since it is not specified anywhere and
> > this
> > > > disables the possibility to design or use UI previews with JFX
> > > components.
> > > >
> > > > Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > JMB
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Yes, I’m surprised too. And obviously NetBeans is not supposed to run only
on GraalVM, you know the answer to that question, and that this is a bug.
Gj
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:53, Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Geertjan,
>
> Well yes and no. I am surprised that NB seems to, somehow, rely on Truffle
> classes during startup. As I am not a JVM expert, I was not knowing what
> Truffle is. By the way, is NB now supposed to only run on GraalVM? Same
> question for NB platform based applications, which is actually my concern.
>
> JM
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > You’re surprised that messages about missing Truffle classes do not
> appear
> > when you use GraalVM?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:42, Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Since I had several issues with NB 13 (see
> > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050), I tried different
> JVMs.
> > >
> > > I notice that the only one not generating warnings in the log (for
> > example
> > > related to missing Truffle classes) is GraalVM 17. I have to say that I
> > am
> > > a bit surprise in this regard since it is not specified anywhere and
> this
> > > disables the possibility to design or use UI previews with JFX
> > components.
> > >
> > > Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > JMB
> > >
> >
>
Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Posted by Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com>.
Hello Geertjan,
Well yes and no. I am surprised that NB seems to, somehow, rely on Truffle
classes during startup. As I am not a JVM expert, I was not knowing what
Truffle is. By the way, is NB now supposed to only run on GraalVM? Same
question for NB platform based applications, which is actually my concern.
JM
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> You’re surprised that messages about missing Truffle classes do not appear
> when you use GraalVM?
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:42, Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Since I had several issues with NB 13 (see
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050), I tried different JVMs.
> >
> > I notice that the only one not generating warnings in the log (for
> example
> > related to missing Truffle classes) is GraalVM 17. I have to say that I
> am
> > a bit surprise in this regard since it is not specified anywhere and this
> > disables the possibility to design or use UI previews with JFX
> components.
> >
> > Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > JMB
> >
>
Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
You’re surprised that messages about missing Truffle classes do not appear
when you use GraalVM?
Gj
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:42, Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Since I had several issues with NB 13 (see
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050), I tried different JVMs.
>
> I notice that the only one not generating warnings in the log (for example
> related to missing Truffle classes) is GraalVM 17. I have to say that I am
> a bit surprise in this regard since it is not specified anywhere and this
> disables the possibility to design or use UI previews with JFX components.
>
> Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
>
> Best regards,
>
> JMB
>
Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Posted by Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com>.
By the way, is it the right place (this mailing list) to raise and discuss
such issues? I don't feel confortable to file a bug report every time I
seem to notice something. I prefer ask the community if I am the only one
experiencing an issue before proceeding (bothering?) more.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:20 AM Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Matthias,
>
> Sure I will provide some evidences, but I need to do it at the office.
> What I can already tell is https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050,
> which shows that the IDE behaves differently when run it with a JDK that
> embeds JFX or not and that I noticed since 12.5
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:06 AM Matthias Bläsing <
> mblaesing@doppel-helix.eu> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am Sonntag, dem 12.06.2022 um 10:41 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Borer:
>> > Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
>>
>> if you ask without context or proofs, you will not get real answers. I
>> routinely run builds from NetBeans master on OpenJDKs on Windows and
>> Linux.
>>
>> So to answer your question:
>>
>> No NetBeans is not supposed to run only on GraalVM 17 and there are
>> also no problems running NetBeans on normal OpenJDK builds.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Matthias
>>
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>>
Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Posted by Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@gmail.com>.
Hello Matthias,
Sure I will provide some evidences, but I need to do it at the office. What
I can already tell is https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050, which
shows that the IDE behaves differently when run it with a JDK that embeds
JFX or not and that I noticed since 12.5
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:06 AM Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Sonntag, dem 12.06.2022 um 10:41 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Borer:
> > Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
>
> if you ask without context or proofs, you will not get real answers. I
> routinely run builds from NetBeans master on OpenJDKs on Windows and
> Linux.
>
> So to answer your question:
>
> No NetBeans is not supposed to run only on GraalVM 17 and there are
> also no problems running NetBeans on normal OpenJDK builds.
>
> Greetings
>
> Matthias
>
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Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi,
Am Sonntag, dem 12.06.2022 um 10:41 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Borer:
> Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
if you ask without context or proofs, you will not get real answers. I
routinely run builds from NetBeans master on OpenJDKs on Windows and
Linux.
So to answer your question:
No NetBeans is not supposed to run only on GraalVM 17 and there are
also no problems running NetBeans on normal OpenJDK builds.
Greetings
Matthias
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