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Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Hi
So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the
guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12
onwards?
Regards
John
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
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El 24/1/20 a las 8:38, antonio escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm quite happy with GTK 3, actually. My setup is as follows:
>
> Debian 10 / Cinnammon / Adwaita-Dark Theme / IBM Plex Sans as default
> system font.
>
> Running NetBeans 11.3 on OpenJDK 1.8.0_232 and -J-Djdk.gtk.version=3
> with the GTK Look and Feel and the Fonts/Colors FlatLaf Dark Theme.
>
> This makes NetBeans honor my system font (i.e., IBM Plex Sans). I am
> unable to use this font with Flat Look and Feel, though (either with
> jdk.gtk.version=2.2 (NetBeans default) or jdk.gtk.version=3).
>
> Shot here: https://i.postimg.cc/LX9jxn8p/netbeans-screenshot.png
>
> Questions:
>
> - What about setting jdk.gtk.version=3 as NetBeans' default?
> - Any way FlatLaf can be customized at runtime (for instance, choosing
> base font?).
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
>
> El 22/1/20 a las 19:47, John Mc escribió:
>> Hi
>>
>> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
>> progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job
>> to the
>> guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>>
>> Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12
>> onwards?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi all,
I'm quite happy with GTK 3, actually. My setup is as follows:
Debian 10 / Cinnammon / Adwaita-Dark Theme / IBM Plex Sans as default
system font.
Running NetBeans 11.3 on OpenJDK 1.8.0_232 and -J-Djdk.gtk.version=3
with the GTK Look and Feel and the Fonts/Colors FlatLaf Dark Theme.
This makes NetBeans honor my system font (i.e., IBM Plex Sans). I am
unable to use this font with Flat Look and Feel, though (either with
jdk.gtk.version=2.2 (NetBeans default) or jdk.gtk.version=3).
Shot here: https://i.postimg.cc/LX9jxn8p/netbeans-screenshot.png
Questions:
- What about setting jdk.gtk.version=3 as NetBeans' default?
- Any way FlatLaf can be customized at runtime (for instance, choosing
base font?).
Cheers,
Antonio
El 22/1/20 a las 19:47, John Mc escribió:
> Hi
>
> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
> progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the
> guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>
> Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12
> onwards?
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
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Re: RE: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
Suppose this would go against the being different but...
During setup or first start up would it be worth giving the user a select their preferred LAF dialog?
Eric Bresie
Ebresie@gmail.com
> On January 22, 2020 at 8:04:24 PM CST, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> > Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick!
>
> After https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1777 , most of these issues should be fixed--that's coming in the next release. There are a few situations where checkboxes may end up blurry--names in multi-monitor setups where the HiDPI monitor is not the main monitor. If https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8211715 isn't fixed soon I might end up implementing a better workaround for those situations.
>
> > Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every system for consistency
>
> Consistency for who--the developers of NetBeans, or users of NetBeans? A typical user is using either MacOS or Windows, but not both. I'd argue the goal should be to be consistent between different apps on the same platform, not between different platforms supported by the IDE.
>
> > (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for example).
>
> When it comes to branding-related design decisions, such as the visual look of NetBeans, I would argue that doing things differently from competitors is a _good_ thing. A native-looking LAF is part of NetBeans' distinguishing features.
>
> -- Eirik
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matteo Di Giovinazzo <ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 6:02 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
>
> To me the main reason for using FlatLaf as the default Laf is to a way better support for HiDPI monitors. Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick!
> We are following very closely the NetBeans development on that regard, because we are going to use FlatLaf as default Laf as well in our NB platform application.
>
> Issues we found using FlatLaf:
> - the two FileChoosers, one to open projects and the other to open files use different icons: the first uses Windows system icons whereas the latter uses FlatLaf flat icons
> - I would turn off the Tree.wideSelection flag in FlatLaf because in the Project view for example, clicking on the tree node label gives you the node-contextual popup menu whereas clicking on the same row but not on the label gives you the general Project View popup menu. Better having not a wide selection, otherwise that can be misleading
>
> Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every system for consistency (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for example).
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 15:09, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
>
> > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on
> > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default.
> >
> > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the
> > same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So
> > NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native
> > Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows
> > LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for
> > buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets
> > the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There
> > has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over
> > the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI
> > displays. (See
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%2
> > 9+improvements
> > )
> >
> > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and
> > MacOS is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance
> > IntelliJ, which does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
> >
> > -- Eirik
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
> > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job
> > to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
> >
> > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans
> > 12 onwards?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
>
>
> --
> Matteo Di Giovinazzo
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RE: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
> Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick!
After https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1777 , most of these issues should be fixed--that's coming in the next release. There are a few situations where checkboxes may end up blurry--names in multi-monitor setups where the HiDPI monitor is not the main monitor. If https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8211715 isn't fixed soon I might end up implementing a better workaround for those situations.
> Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every system for consistency
Consistency for who--the developers of NetBeans, or users of NetBeans? A typical user is using either MacOS or Windows, but not both. I'd argue the goal should be to be consistent between different apps on the same platform, not between different platforms supported by the IDE.
> (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for example).
When it comes to branding-related design decisions, such as the visual look of NetBeans, I would argue that doing things differently from competitors is a _good_ thing. A native-looking LAF is part of NetBeans' distinguishing features.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Matteo Di Giovinazzo <ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 6:02 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
To me the main reason for using FlatLaf as the default Laf is to a way better support for HiDPI monitors. Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick!
We are following very closely the NetBeans development on that regard, because we are going to use FlatLaf as default Laf as well in our NB platform application.
Issues we found using FlatLaf:
- the two FileChoosers, one to open projects and the other to open files use different icons: the first uses Windows system icons whereas the latter uses FlatLaf flat icons
- I would turn off the Tree.wideSelection flag in FlatLaf because in the Project view for example, clicking on the tree node label gives you the node-contextual popup menu whereas clicking on the same row but not on the label gives you the general Project View popup menu. Better having not a wide selection, otherwise that can be misleading
Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every system for consistency (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for example).
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 15:09, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on
> Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default.
>
> On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the
> same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So
> NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native
> Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows
> LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for
> buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets
> the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There
> has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over
> the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI
> displays. (See
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%2
> 9+improvements
> )
>
> The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and
> MacOS is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance
> IntelliJ, which does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
>
> Hi
>
> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
> progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job
> to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>
> Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans
> 12 onwards?
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
--
Matteo Di Giovinazzo
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Matteo Di Giovinazzo <ma...@gmail.com>.
To me the main reason for using FlatLaf as the default Laf is to a way
better support for HiDPI monitors. Currently Windows system Laf in the
latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still totally lacking that support: the
fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf
instead of very slick!
We are following very closely the NetBeans development on that regard,
because we are going to use FlatLaf as default Laf as well in our NB
platform application.
Issues we found using FlatLaf:
- the two FileChoosers, one to open projects and the other to open files
use different icons: the first uses Windows system icons whereas the latter
uses FlatLaf flat icons
- I would turn off the Tree.wideSelection flag in FlatLaf because in the
Project view for example, clicking on the tree node label gives you the
node-contextual popup menu whereas clicking on the same row but not on the
label gives you the general Project View popup menu. Better having not a
wide selection, otherwise that can be misleading
Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every
system for consistency (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for
example).
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 15:09, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on
> Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default.
>
> On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the same
> style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans will
> look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on
> Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to the
> OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes,
> and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS
> version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements to
> the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one,
> especially for HiDPI displays. (See
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
> )
>
> The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS
> is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which
> does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
>
> Hi
>
> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
> progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the
> guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>
> Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12
> onwards?
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
--
Matteo Di Giovinazzo
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Alessandro <al...@gmail.com>.
Hi Geertjan,
my answers below.
Il giorno gio 23 gen 2020 alle ore 09:10 Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan@apache.org> ha scritto:
> I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup
> experience.
>
I meant a wizard shown only on the very first launch of a newly installed
NetBeans, it could be used to ask the user to choose other frequently
adjusted preferences normally found in the Options dialog. For instance it
would be the right place to ask which features he/she would like to
activate.
But maybe something could be introduced into the Welcome Screen, a message
> like “Make NetBeans look even better here” which pops up the relevant tab
> in the Options window.
>
This is another way to have it. Maybe less effective but surely more
visible to a newcomer.
Gj
>
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:07, Alessandro <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > as a confirmation of the VERY subjective perspective, I for one would
> > like NetBeans having the same default Look and Feel on all platforms,
> > instead of the OS natives one (still available and switchable by the
> user).
> >
> > At present (NB 8.2, 11.2) I install and switch to Darcula on Linux and
> > Windows.
> >
> > In my opinion, the best thing besides making FlatLaf the default L&F
> would
> > be to also show a wizard on first launch asking the users to choose the
> > variant (Light or Dark).
> >
> > This topic could require a user poll to get it right for the majority of
> > the users.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alex
> >
> > Il giorno mer 22 gen 2020 alle ore 23:57 Chuck Davis <cjgunzel@gmail.com
> >
> > ha scritto:
> >
> > > We're talking about very, VERY subjective perspectives here. Just
> > because
> > > there is a new fad called "flat" doesn't mean it's an improvement.
> > > Actually, "flat" looks so 1970's ish. Perhaps the fascination with it
> is
> > > due to the fact that most of the productive people here either weren't
> > > alive at that time in computing history or were still too young to
> > remember
> > > those days.....
> > >
> > > I agree with Mr. Bakke that on Windows and Mac it should still use the
> os
> > > native laf as the default. For Linux (where I spend 100% of my
> > development
> > > time) I don't care what ships as long as I can make it what I want it
> to
> > be
> > > by merely selecting from a list that includes basic stuff like we've
> got
> > > now (i.e. "Metal"). I don't find "dark" or "flat" attractive in the
> > > least. I DO like colorful icons that make my desktop "attractive".
> What
> > > we each think is "attractive" is a very subjective judgement so a
> variety
> > > of options is a good thing -- even on Windows and Mac for those who
> > prefer
> > > something other than native.
> > >
> > > Just my $.02.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on
> > > > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by
> > > default.
> > > >
> > > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the
> > > same
> > > > style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans
> > > will
> > > > look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on
> > > > Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls
> to
> > > the
> > > > OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes,
> > > checkboxes,
> > > > and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS
> > > > version is currently running. There has also been a lot of
> improvements
> > > to
> > > > the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next
> > one,
> > > > especially for HiDPI displays. (See
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
> > > > )
> > > >
> > > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and
> > MacOS
> > > > is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ,
> > > which
> > > > does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
> > > >
> > > > -- Eirik
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like
> the
> > > > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job
> to
> > > the
> > > > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
> > > >
> > > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans
> 12
> > > > onwards?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
AW: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Adding to my previous mail: It is somehow like a Little wizard with some few steps.
Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2020 11:37
An: dev
Betreff: Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:17, Alessandro <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> well thought!
>
> Indeed the import settings dialog would be the best place where to add the
> choice of a couple of common settings should the user decide to not import
> the settings from a previous version.
Thanks! Was mentioned in my first response here. There's already
been a bit of discussion on settings import because the way it
searches for previous versions is far from ideal now, considering
things like LTS -> LTS, beta -> release and custom userdirs. It was
the last version-related thing still hardcoded, and although that's
changed in 11.3, it's not ideal.
So, a dialog that allows for settings import, and if not guides people
through some common setup, including LaF seems an improvement to me,
actually speeding up users getting the IDE configured - system LaF or
cross-platform light or dark (both FlatLaF) being the obvious choices
for appearance in my opinion.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:36, Dmitry Avtonomov
<dm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's time to make the QuickOpener a part of the budle by default -
> or at least suggest installing it automatically in this dialog that's being
> discussed.
That plugin appears to both be dead and under a license that makes
that unlikely. Maybe some improvement of existing behaviour in the
IDE here though?
Best wishes,
Neil
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AW: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Hey all,
I really like the idea to extend the import settings dialog. It is Kind the same that IntelliJ does: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/run-for-the-first-time.html#import-product-settings if you scroll down a bit, you can see how it looks for selecting the user theme (LaF and editor). Test it on your own, just download an JetBrains Application, start it for the very first time and have a look how it works.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2020 11:37
An: dev
Betreff: Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:17, Alessandro <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> well thought!
>
> Indeed the import settings dialog would be the best place where to add the
> choice of a couple of common settings should the user decide to not import
> the settings from a previous version.
Thanks! Was mentioned in my first response here. There's already
been a bit of discussion on settings import because the way it
searches for previous versions is far from ideal now, considering
things like LTS -> LTS, beta -> release and custom userdirs. It was
the last version-related thing still hardcoded, and although that's
changed in 11.3, it's not ideal.
So, a dialog that allows for settings import, and if not guides people
through some common setup, including LaF seems an improvement to me,
actually speeding up users getting the IDE configured - system LaF or
cross-platform light or dark (both FlatLaF) being the obvious choices
for appearance in my opinion.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:36, Dmitry Avtonomov
<dm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's time to make the QuickOpener a part of the budle by default -
> or at least suggest installing it automatically in this dialog that's being
> discussed.
That plugin appears to both be dead and under a license that makes
that unlikely. Maybe some improvement of existing behaviour in the
IDE here though?
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:17, Alessandro <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> well thought!
>
> Indeed the import settings dialog would be the best place where to add the
> choice of a couple of common settings should the user decide to not import
> the settings from a previous version.
Thanks! Was mentioned in my first response here. There's already
been a bit of discussion on settings import because the way it
searches for previous versions is far from ideal now, considering
things like LTS -> LTS, beta -> release and custom userdirs. It was
the last version-related thing still hardcoded, and although that's
changed in 11.3, it's not ideal.
So, a dialog that allows for settings import, and if not guides people
through some common setup, including LaF seems an improvement to me,
actually speeding up users getting the IDE configured - system LaF or
cross-platform light or dark (both FlatLaF) being the obvious choices
for appearance in my opinion.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:36, Dmitry Avtonomov
<dm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's time to make the QuickOpener a part of the budle by default -
> or at least suggest installing it automatically in this dialog that's being
> discussed.
That plugin appears to both be dead and under a license that makes
that unlikely. Maybe some improvement of existing behaviour in the
IDE here though?
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Ernie Rael <er...@raelity.com>.
Using the Welcome/startup screen for the various "experience
customization/improvement" options and suggestions has one huge
advantage. It is always available through the help menu. I certainly
agree that more attention should be paid to alerting users to how they
can customize their experience.
-ernie
On 1/23/2020 1:36 AM, Dmitry Avtonomov wrote:
> I think it's time to make the QuickOpener a part of the budle by default -
> or at least suggest installing it automatically in this dialog that's being
> discussed.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:24 AM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Sure, that sounds good too.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 10:17, Alessandro <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Neil,
>>> well thought!
>>>
>>> Indeed the import settings dialog would be the best place where to add
>> the
>>> choice of a couple of common settings should the user decide to not
>> import
>>> the settings from a previous version.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> Il giorno gio 23 gen 2020 alle ore 10:12 Neil C Smith <
>>> neilcsmith@apache.org>
>>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2020, 08:10 Geertjan Wielenga, <ge...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup
>>>>> experience.
>>>>>
>>>> We already have the import settings dialog which needs some work. What
>>>> would be your concern with a welcome wizard for some common settings?
>>> Done
>>>> right it could speed up the start-up experience?
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Dmitry Avtonomov <dm...@gmail.com>.
I think it's time to make the QuickOpener a part of the budle by default -
or at least suggest installing it automatically in this dialog that's being
discussed.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:24 AM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Sure, that sounds good too.
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 10:17, Alessandro <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Neil,
> > well thought!
> >
> > Indeed the import settings dialog would be the best place where to add
> the
> > choice of a couple of common settings should the user decide to not
> import
> > the settings from a previous version.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alex
> >
> > Il giorno gio 23 gen 2020 alle ore 10:12 Neil C Smith <
> > neilcsmith@apache.org>
> > ha scritto:
> >
> > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020, 08:10 Geertjan Wielenga, <ge...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup
> > > > experience.
> > > >
> > >
> > > We already have the import settings dialog which needs some work. What
> > > would be your concern with a welcome wizard for some common settings?
> > Done
> > > right it could speed up the start-up experience?
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> >
>
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Sure, that sounds good too.
Gj
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 10:17, Alessandro <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Neil,
> well thought!
>
> Indeed the import settings dialog would be the best place where to add the
> choice of a couple of common settings should the user decide to not import
> the settings from a previous version.
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> Il giorno gio 23 gen 2020 alle ore 10:12 Neil C Smith <
> neilcsmith@apache.org>
> ha scritto:
>
> > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020, 08:10 Geertjan Wielenga, <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup
> > > experience.
> > >
> >
> > We already have the import settings dialog which needs some work. What
> > would be your concern with a welcome wizard for some common settings?
> Done
> > right it could speed up the start-up experience?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> >
>
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Alessandro <al...@gmail.com>.
Hi Neil,
well thought!
Indeed the import settings dialog would be the best place where to add the
choice of a couple of common settings should the user decide to not import
the settings from a previous version.
Regards,
Alex
Il giorno gio 23 gen 2020 alle ore 10:12 Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
ha scritto:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2020, 08:10 Geertjan Wielenga, <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup
> > experience.
> >
>
> We already have the import settings dialog which needs some work. What
> would be your concern with a welcome wizard for some common settings? Done
> right it could speed up the start-up experience?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020, 08:10 Geertjan Wielenga, <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup
> experience.
>
We already have the import settings dialog which needs some work. What
would be your concern with a welcome wizard for some common settings? Done
right it could speed up the start-up experience?
Best wishes,
Neil
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup
experience.
But maybe something could be introduced into the Welcome Screen, a message
like “Make NetBeans look even better here” which pops up the relevant tab
in the Options window.
Gj
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:07, Alessandro <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> as a confirmation of the VERY subjective perspective, I for one would
> like NetBeans having the same default Look and Feel on all platforms,
> instead of the OS natives one (still available and switchable by the user).
>
> At present (NB 8.2, 11.2) I install and switch to Darcula on Linux and
> Windows.
>
> In my opinion, the best thing besides making FlatLaf the default L&F would
> be to also show a wizard on first launch asking the users to choose the
> variant (Light or Dark).
>
> This topic could require a user poll to get it right for the majority of
> the users.
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> Il giorno mer 22 gen 2020 alle ore 23:57 Chuck Davis <cj...@gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
> > We're talking about very, VERY subjective perspectives here. Just
> because
> > there is a new fad called "flat" doesn't mean it's an improvement.
> > Actually, "flat" looks so 1970's ish. Perhaps the fascination with it is
> > due to the fact that most of the productive people here either weren't
> > alive at that time in computing history or were still too young to
> remember
> > those days.....
> >
> > I agree with Mr. Bakke that on Windows and Mac it should still use the os
> > native laf as the default. For Linux (where I spend 100% of my
> development
> > time) I don't care what ships as long as I can make it what I want it to
> be
> > by merely selecting from a list that includes basic stuff like we've got
> > now (i.e. "Metal"). I don't find "dark" or "flat" attractive in the
> > least. I DO like colorful icons that make my desktop "attractive". What
> > we each think is "attractive" is a very subjective judgement so a variety
> > of options is a good thing -- even on Windows and Mac for those who
> prefer
> > something other than native.
> >
> > Just my $.02.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on
> > > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by
> > default.
> > >
> > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the
> > same
> > > style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans
> > will
> > > look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on
> > > Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to
> > the
> > > OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes,
> > checkboxes,
> > > and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS
> > > version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements
> > to
> > > the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next
> one,
> > > especially for HiDPI displays. (See
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
> > > )
> > >
> > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and
> MacOS
> > > is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ,
> > which
> > > does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
> > >
> > > -- Eirik
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
> > > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to
> > the
> > > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
> > >
> > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12
> > > onwards?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >
>
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Alessandro <al...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
as a confirmation of the VERY subjective perspective, I for one would
like NetBeans having the same default Look and Feel on all platforms,
instead of the OS natives one (still available and switchable by the user).
At present (NB 8.2, 11.2) I install and switch to Darcula on Linux and
Windows.
In my opinion, the best thing besides making FlatLaf the default L&F would
be to also show a wizard on first launch asking the users to choose the
variant (Light or Dark).
This topic could require a user poll to get it right for the majority of
the users.
Regards,
Alex
Il giorno mer 22 gen 2020 alle ore 23:57 Chuck Davis <cj...@gmail.com>
ha scritto:
> We're talking about very, VERY subjective perspectives here. Just because
> there is a new fad called "flat" doesn't mean it's an improvement.
> Actually, "flat" looks so 1970's ish. Perhaps the fascination with it is
> due to the fact that most of the productive people here either weren't
> alive at that time in computing history or were still too young to remember
> those days.....
>
> I agree with Mr. Bakke that on Windows and Mac it should still use the os
> native laf as the default. For Linux (where I spend 100% of my development
> time) I don't care what ships as long as I can make it what I want it to be
> by merely selecting from a list that includes basic stuff like we've got
> now (i.e. "Metal"). I don't find "dark" or "flat" attractive in the
> least. I DO like colorful icons that make my desktop "attractive". What
> we each think is "attractive" is a very subjective judgement so a variety
> of options is a good thing -- even on Windows and Mac for those who prefer
> something other than native.
>
> Just my $.02.
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
>
> > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on
> > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by
> default.
> >
> > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the
> same
> > style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans
> will
> > look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on
> > Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to
> the
> > OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes,
> checkboxes,
> > and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS
> > version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements
> to
> > the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one,
> > especially for HiDPI displays. (See
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
> > )
> >
> > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS
> > is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ,
> which
> > does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
> >
> > -- Eirik
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
> > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to
> the
> > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
> >
> > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12
> > onwards?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
>
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Chuck Davis <cj...@gmail.com>.
We're talking about very, VERY subjective perspectives here. Just because
there is a new fad called "flat" doesn't mean it's an improvement.
Actually, "flat" looks so 1970's ish. Perhaps the fascination with it is
due to the fact that most of the productive people here either weren't
alive at that time in computing history or were still too young to remember
those days.....
I agree with Mr. Bakke that on Windows and Mac it should still use the os
native laf as the default. For Linux (where I spend 100% of my development
time) I don't care what ships as long as I can make it what I want it to be
by merely selecting from a list that includes basic stuff like we've got
now (i.e. "Metal"). I don't find "dark" or "flat" attractive in the
least. I DO like colorful icons that make my desktop "attractive". What
we each think is "attractive" is a very subjective judgement so a variety
of options is a good thing -- even on Windows and Mac for those who prefer
something other than native.
Just my $.02.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on
> Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default.
>
> On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the same
> style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans will
> look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on
> Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to the
> OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes,
> and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS
> version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements to
> the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one,
> especially for HiDPI displays. (See
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
> )
>
> The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS
> is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which
> does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
>
> Hi
>
> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
> progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the
> guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>
> Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12
> onwards?
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
RE: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
Regardless of LAF, it would be great to have a standardized "color-blind friendly" editor color theme available by default. Probably there would need to be one light and one dark theme.
There are a couple of different types of color blindness; I'm unsure if each of these might need a separate palette.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Eggers <it...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:37 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
One of the issues that I've had with Darkula in the past is that it's not very friendly for colorblind - color deficient people.
I'm red-green color deficient. This means that reds shade towards black, and greens towards white. Pinks, oranges, and reds on dark brown backgrounds are very difficult for me to read.
For example, the red highlighting of an error makes the underlying text unreadable in the Windows LAF. I have to change the default error to a light orange, or some other color.
In the past I've used Nimbus LAF across all platforms with reasonable results. This gave pretty ugly results recently, but now that I'm OpenJDK 11.04, things seem to have cleared up. I'll upgrade to 11.06 and verify again.
I'll have to take a look at the various Flat Look and Feel themes to see if they're usable for color deficient people.
Otherwise, I'll use the Windows LAF on Windows, and Nimbus everywhere else.
. . . just my two cents
/mde/
On 1/22/2020 2:09 PM, Eirik Bakke wrote:
> I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default.
>
> On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the
> same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So
> NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native
> Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows
> LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for
> buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets
> the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There
> has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over
> the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI
> displays. (See
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%2
> 9+improvements )
>
> The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
>
> Hi
>
> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>
> Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 onwards?
>
> Regards
>
> John
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Mark Eggers <it...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
One of the issues that I've had with Darkula in the past is that it's
not very friendly for colorblind - color deficient people.
I'm red-green color deficient. This means that reds shade towards black,
and greens towards white. Pinks, oranges, and reds on dark brown
backgrounds are very difficult for me to read.
For example, the red highlighting of an error makes the underlying text
unreadable in the Windows LAF. I have to change the default error to a
light orange, or some other color.
In the past I've used Nimbus LAF across all platforms with reasonable
results. This gave pretty ugly results recently, but now that I'm
OpenJDK 11.04, things seem to have cleared up. I'll upgrade to 11.06 and
verify again.
I'll have to take a look at the various Flat Look and Feel themes to see
if they're usable for color deficient people.
Otherwise, I'll use the Windows LAF on Windows, and Nimbus everywhere else.
. . . just my two cents
/mde/
On 1/22/2020 2:09 PM, Eirik Bakke wrote:
> I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default.
>
> On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI displays. (See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements )
>
> The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
>
> Hi
>
> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>
> Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 onwards?
>
> Regards
>
> John
RE: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default.
On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI displays. (See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements )
The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Hi
So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 onwards?
Regards
John
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Confirmed!
Good catch!
On 1/22/20 11:16 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:07, Patrik Karlström <pa...@trixon.se> wrote:
>> You do know that light attracts bugs?
> Actually, light and dark by the look of it! ;-p
>
> Can anyone replicate a problem with either FlatLAF theme?
>
> I run with all view tabs minimized to the side generally so the editor
> area is full size (but not with the maximize button).
>
> Closing the last editor tab in that scenario doesn't repaint properly
> - the tab is still visible but non-operational.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 15:01, Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Reported as: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3735
Thanks! Hadn't got around to it yet.
Neil
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Reported as: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3735
On 1/22/20 11:16 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:07, Patrik Karlström <pa...@trixon.se> wrote:
>> You do know that light attracts bugs?
> Actually, light and dark by the look of it! ;-p
>
> Can anyone replicate a problem with either FlatLAF theme?
>
> I run with all view tabs minimized to the side generally so the editor
> area is full size (but not with the maximize button).
>
> Closing the last editor tab in that scenario doesn't repaint properly
> - the tab is still visible but non-operational.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:07, Patrik Karlström <pa...@trixon.se> wrote:
> You do know that light attracts bugs?
Actually, light and dark by the look of it! ;-p
Can anyone replicate a problem with either FlatLAF theme?
I run with all view tabs minimized to the side generally so the editor
area is full size (but not with the maximize button).
Closing the last editor tab in that scenario doesn't repaint properly
- the tab is still visible but non-operational.
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Patrik Karlström <pa...@trixon.se>.
Den ons 22 jan. 2020 kl 20:04 skrev Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>:
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:01, Matthias Bläsing
> <mb...@doppel-helix.eu> wrote:
> > Is Flat LAF light done yet?
>
> Running with it now, and seems pretty good so far! Better than Metal! ;-)
>
> It may come as a surprise given all I've written about dark themes in
> the dark distant past, but I much prefer light themes in NetBeans!
>
>
You do know that light attracts bugs?
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:01, Matthias Bläsing
<mb...@doppel-helix.eu> wrote:
> Is Flat LAF light done yet?
Running with it now, and seems pretty good so far! Better than Metal! ;-)
It may come as a surprise given all I've written about dark themes in
the dark distant past, but I much prefer light themes in NetBeans!
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Yest the Light theme is also available, however I think some coloring
needs adjustment there. Though I'm not really fond of the color scheme
as light there.
One of our users created an editor theme according to
https://www.nordtheme.com/
Probably we could include that as well...
On 1/22/20 11:01 AM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 22.01.2020, 18:55 +0000 schrieb Neil C Smith:
>> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:48, John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like
>>> the
>>> progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great
>>> job to the
>>> guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>> Yes, +1. Looks great! Only issue I find is the toolbar icons feel a
>> bit cramped - could do with some padding.
>>
> Is Flat LAF light done yet?
>
> Currently I'm on Metal and while not a beauty, it works well.
>
> Greetings
>
> Matthias
>
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Am Mittwoch, den 22.01.2020, 18:55 +0000 schrieb Neil C Smith:
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:48, John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like
> > the
> > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great
> > job to the
> > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
>
> Yes, +1. Looks great! Only issue I find is the toolbar icons feel a
> bit cramped - could do with some padding.
>
Is Flat LAF light done yet?
Currently I'm on Metal and while not a beauty, it works well.
Greetings
Matthias
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Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:48, John Mc <mc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the
> progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the
> guys who have done all this work it really looks nice.
Yes, +1. Looks great! Only issue I find is the toolbar icons feel a
bit cramped - could do with some padding.
> Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12
> onwards?
I was wondering similar - looks great, and would give NetBeans its own
look out of the box. Possibly a first start option between system LaF
and this though? The import from previous versions dialog has been
mentioned as something that could do with looking at, so maybe there's
a way to consider a range of first run choices?
Best wishes,
Neil
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